---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/21/10: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:44 AM - Fuselage Progress (Jack) 2. 07:55 AM - Re: Fuselage Progress (Gary Boothe) 3. 08:13 AM - Re: Fuselage Progress (Jeff Boatright) 4. 08:19 AM - Upper filler strips (Jack) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Fuselage Progress (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 08:59 AM - Re: Fuselage Progress (Michael Perez) 7. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: Red Betsy? (Tim Willis) 8. 10:24 AM - Re: Fuselage Progress (Jack Phillips) 9. 04:25 PM - Windscreen (Gary Boothe) 10. 04:51 PM - Re: Windscreen (Jack Phillips) 11. 05:07 PM - 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 12. 05:23 PM - Re: Windscreen (Jack) 13. 05:26 PM - Re: 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing (Jack) 14. 05:48 PM - Re: 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing (Jack Phillips) 15. 08:46 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (Ray Krause) 16. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Sky Scout... (Ray Krause) 17. 08:56 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (Ray Krause) 18. 09:06 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (Pastor Mike Townsley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:29 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:04 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Nice looking woodwork, Jack! And a razor blade?....impressive! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:13 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress That's 5/8 of a pound that you won't be carrying behind the CP, which is good for the CG on a Piet. Besides, it looks SO COOL! >Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. >Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help >lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy >with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. >Still snowing here, great building weather! >Jack >DSM >www.textors.com > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:05 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Upper filler strips So many questions=85I=92m trying to figure out the correct fit and spacing for my panels, panel braces and turtle-deck widths. Plans show a 1/8x1/4 filler strip along the top longeron. From pictures and archives it looks like people have used a thicker piece, maybe 3/16 to =BC by about =BE width. To figure spacing should I plan for 1/8 sidewall plus 1/8 filler? Thanks! Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress From: helspersew@aol.com Jack, 10 oz's back there is important. Good for you. Looks great. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 9:11 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the wei ght some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut -out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ; ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:08 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress I also cut my covers/lids in my plywood with a razor knife...leaves a great finish. Very interesting building the TD off the plane like in your second picture...never thought of that. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:33 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? Lowell, An excellent metric for the Piet T-shirt girl (unreal of course) would be the Autolite spark plug girl. I will be at Brodhead if I can. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Pieti Lowell >Sent: Feb 20, 2010 7:02 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Red Betsy? > > >Tim,The Piet I had to work with had no shoulder harnesses, but it did have a safety belt. And by the third attempt to slip this beautiful young woman into that rear cockpit , If I remember correctly, she weighed less at each attempt, I don't remember ever having a sore back. >By the way Tim, I'm working on a Pieti Girl pinup Tee Shirt if there are any takers.Give me fair warning before Brodhead, and she will be along side my B Ford. >Pieti Lowell > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287407#287407 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:55 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress 10 ounces is 5/8 of a lb. Worth it! Looks good, Jack Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC, where it is over 60=B0 for the first time since November. I=92m going Flying! _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished. Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade. Still snowing here, great building weather! Jack DSM www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:54 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done, so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from 6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:48 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen Looks like good work, Gary. The windshield frames are a PITA, but worth it in the long run. Just to put things in perspective, you've had 12 hours of creative work, doing something few people in this country know how to do. I just finished building the right fuel tank of my RV-10 this afternoon, after 25 hours of horribly stinky, sticky, messy work with tank sealant - and none of it was thought-provoking, creative work. It was just tedious assembly, and now I can look forward to another 25 hours of the same for the left tank. Last metal airplane I'll ever build. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done, so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from 6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:15 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing The air conditioner was working really well this Sunday afternoon. The big spring snow melt is ON in Ohio ! Smoke ON ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:44 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen Jack, I actually enjoyed the ProSeal work on my RV; Not sure if I want to use it or weld my Piet tank. Jack DSM Do not archive Looks like good work, Gary. The windshield frames are a PITA, but worth it in the long run. Just to put things in perspective, you've had 12 hours of creative work, doing something few people in this country know how to do. I just finished building the right fuel tank of my RV-10 this afternoon, after 25 hours of horribly stinky, sticky, messy work with tank sealant - and none of it was thought-provoking, creative work. It was just tedious assembly, and now I can look forward to another 25 hours of the same for the left tank. Last metal airplane I'll ever build. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done, so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from 6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!! Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:42 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing Grurrrr you Mike, still winter here... Jack DSM Do not archive The air conditioner was working really well this Sunday afternoon. The big spring snow melt is ON in Ohio ! Smoke ON ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:43 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing It was 62 F here today. I did a couple of 4-point hesitation rolls in the RV-4. Nice way to say "Bite me!" to winter. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:25 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 45 F Ohio air was quite refreshing Grurrrr you Mike, still winter here... Jack DSM Do not archive The air conditioner was working really well this Sunday afternoon. The big spring snow melt is ON in Ohio ! Smoke ON ! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:17 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... Thanks, Mike. I weigh ONLY 180, so maybe it is a possibility! I think I can adjust the CG by moving the wing back, or elongating the motor mount. I may have to build 2 motor mounts to find out, but that should not be too bad. I will probably go with the metal struts, but I like the idea of wood. I do not know about Chad Willie and Mr. Hall's Scouts. How do I find out about them? Are they on this list? Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pastor Mike Townsley To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... HI Ray, How much do you weigh? I weigh about 220 lbs and I was told I am too heavy for the Scout. I know some scouts have been built and have seen them for sale, some say no pilots over 200 lbs, as weight and balance won't work out...it will be tail heavy. On the tubing, you could use round tubing and use some wood to steamline it. Some have done that. But you could use chrome moly tubing. I would not use aluminum. Just make sure it is strong enough. I am sure lots of guys will chime in on the right size tubing to use. I decided to move to a Air Camper over the Scout for two reasons, 1. My weight. 2. I could learn to fly in the Air Camper and it doesn't take that much more materials to build. (if I ever get to buiding) Good luck on the Scout. I hope it all works out for you. It would be a nice plane. Have you read about Chad Willie's Scout and Mr. Hall's Scout ? Two nice ones to model after. Mike Townsley On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ray Krause wrote: I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the completed ribs and the wood/plans. The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are they lighter than Chromolly? This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for practicality purposes. Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed this group for over a year now. Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa, California 530-736-2627 " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:35 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout... Lorin, You make me feel better! I delayed starting the Scout to let my wife adjust a little, but now that it is started, I really enjoy it. I really enjoy the building; but flying the Waiex is a real hoot! It is always hard to decide which I want to do when the sun shines. How many Waiex's are out and how many flying now? They are really beautiful ships. Thanks, Ray Krause N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ldmill" Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Sky Scout... > > Hi Ray! > Nice to see another Waiex guy hanging out here. I'm not done with mine yet > (getting closer though). Got my endorsement in a J-3, what a hoot! Got > the plans for the Aircamper last year and am starting to acquire stuff to > start the build. What a difference between Sonex and Piet plans, eh? > > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > Jab3300 (1747), Aerocarb, Standard Gear, Stratomaster Ultra, Prince > Colo, Iowa > > -------- > Lorin Miller > Waiex N81YX > Pietenpol next up > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287419#287419 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:37 PM PST US From: "Ray Krause" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... Shad, Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the 4130 struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working. If the wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way. I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the metal struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to the right size. Thanks for your help. Ray Krause ----- Original Message ----- From: "shad bell" Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... > > > Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than > streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be > required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse 4130, > If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inch > by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero works > for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined > tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero > Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he > does not have a web site. > > > Shad > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... From: Pastor Mike Townsley I do not think they are on the list...here is some links. Chad's Scout Click Here for Article and Pics Mr. Dennis Halls Scout a Picture Click Here to See A few more pics on this page And more pics on bottom of this page I can not remember what magazine ran an article on Mr. Hall's Scout..but I remember seeing a nice artle on it. Enjoy, Mike On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ray Krause wrote: > Thanks, Mike. > > I weigh ONLY 180, so maybe it is a possibility! I think I can adjust the > CG by moving the wing back, or elongating the motor mount. I may have to > build 2 motor mounts to find out, but that should not be too bad. > > I will probably go with the metal struts, but I like the idea of wood. > > I do not know about Chad Willie and Mr. Hall's Scouts. How do I find out > about them? Are they on this list? > > Thanks, > > Ray Krause > > N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, > Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Pastor Mike Townsley > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout... > > HI Ray, > How much do you weigh? I weigh about 220 lbs and I was told I am too heavy > for the Scout. I know some scouts have been built and have seen them for > sale, some say no pilots over 200 lbs, as weight and balance won't work > out...it will be tail heavy. > > On the tubing, you could use round tubing and use some wood to steamline > it. Some have done that. But you could use chrome moly tubing. I would not > use aluminum. Just make sure it is strong enough. I am sure lots of guys > will chime in on the right size tubing to use. > I decided to move to a Air Camper over the Scout for two reasons, 1. My > weight. 2. I could learn to fly in the Air Camper and it doesn't take that > much more materials to build. (if I ever get to buiding) > > Good luck on the Scout. I hope it all works out for you. It would be a > nice plane. Have you read about Chad Willie's Scout and Mr. Hall's Scout ? > Two nice ones to model after. > Mike Townsley > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ray Krause wrote: > >> I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail sections and >> about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that came with the >> completed ribs and the wood/plans. >> >> The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no reference to >> this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly (an older >> designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal call-outs are >> for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from laminated wood, are >> they lighter than Chromolly? >> >> This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of "builder >> discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are building, or >> have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very popular, as compared >> to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans, except for the >> "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section wing plans for >> practicality purposes. >> >> Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a J-3 tank >> that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of leg room. >> Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the fuel right >> between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3! >> >> I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have followed >> this group for over a year now. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ray Krause >> >> N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood prop, >> Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. 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