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1. 05:32 AM - Re: Windscreen (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 06:42 AM - Jack Textor's turtledeck progress (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Fuselage Progress (JERRY GROGAN)
4. 07:19 AM - Gardiner & Ben, great winter shots in the arm and congratulations (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Sky Scout... (Gary Boothe)
6. 08:12 AM - Re: Windscreen (Gerry Holland)
7. 08:24 AM - my apologies and appreciations through difficult times (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
8. 10:05 AM - Re: Windscreen (Gary Boothe)
9. 10:05 AM - Re: Sky Scout... (Jim Markle)
10. 10:24 AM - Re: Jack Textor's turtledeck progress (Jack)
11. 10:25 AM - model A intake (Gene Rambo)
12. 10:26 AM - Re: Windscreen (Gary Boothe)
13. 10:26 AM - Re: Jack Textor's turtledeck progress (David Paule)
14. 10:32 AM - Re: Sky Scout... (Ray Krause)
15. 10:54 AM - turtledeck bracing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 10:56 AM - Re: Sky Scout... (Ray Krause)
17. 11:10 AM - Re: Sky Scout... (Pastor Mike Townsley)
18. 02:00 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (Ray Krause)
19. 02:09 PM - Visit to Long Island NY (kevinpurtee)
20. 02:20 PM - Re: Cooling Ears (kevinpurtee)
21. 02:25 PM - wood struts (Douwe Blumberg)
22. 02:48 PM - Re: Cooling Ears (dwilson)
23. 02:49 PM - Re: Cooling Ears (dwilson)
24. 03:19 PM - totally way off topic--do not archive (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
25. 03:19 PM - Re: Sky Scout... (Gary Boothe)
26. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Cooling Ears (Gary Boothe)
27. 03:31 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Jeff Boatright)
28. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Cooling Ears (Gary Boothe)
29. 03:34 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Gary Boothe)
30. 03:47 PM - Fw: Best Duct Tape Story Ever (airlion)
31. 03:54 PM - Vintage Instruments Listing on Barnstormers (Wayne Bressler)
32. 03:59 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Jeff Boatright)
33. 04:11 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Wayne Bressler)
34. 04:52 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Gary Boothe)
35. 04:53 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Gary Boothe)
36. 05:01 PM - Vacation-unsubscribe (Lagowski Morrow)
37. 06:01 PM - Dillsburg Areo (shad bell)
38. 06:01 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Wayne Bressler)
39. 06:01 PM - How did I fall in love with the Piet? (Ben Charvet)
40. 06:02 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Kip and Beth Gardner)
41. 06:02 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (papa.bike.mike)
42. 06:26 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (taildrags)
43. 06:28 PM - Re: How did I fall in love with the Piet? (taildrags)
44. 08:56 PM - Finally making sawdust and progress! (Billy McCaskill)
45. 10:23 PM - Re: totally way off topic--do not archive (Jeff Boatright)
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Gary,
Like that windscreen a lot. Could you post more detail shots at front corn
ers? I think I am going to make mine over again. Yours looks like it is al
l one piece, front and uprights?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff don
e, so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made
from 6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 =98L
=99 shaped fillers for the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselag
e. Those are made, just not cut to length and fitted. I used a method simi
lar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the fi
rst one!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
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| Subject: | Jack Textor's turtledeck progress |
Excellent looking work Jack. One thing that was suggested to me by Fran
k Pavliga you might consider
is using some leftover capstrip material to stabilize the stringers one to
another as this sketch showed.
This helps prevent the fabric tension as you tighten from distorting the st
ringers and bowing them.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Progress |
That is very nice. I have always said if you can hold something out and
drop it and it falls to the floor its to heavy to put on your airplane.
10 ounces is 10 ounces not on your plane. I like it.
Jerry
Des Moines
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From: Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Progress
Having fun working on fuselage. Turtle-deck is about finished.
Decided to have 11 stringers so I thought lightening holes may help
lower the weight some, it only lowered it 10 ounces. Very happy with my
helmet box cut-out, did it with a razor blade.
Still snowing here, great building weather!
Jack
DSM
www.textors.com
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| Subject: | Gardiner & Ben, great winter shots in the arm and congratulations |
Just outstanding news from you both and MANY rounds of applause for you both !
Loved your wife's (I'm assuming) commentary of 'oh my God' after you lifted
off Ben--great video you posted and boy did you get off in a hurry.
How cool is it that the FAA gent said he would give you a waiver to go to SNF
once you have 15 hours flown off. Perfect ! This could be a really BIG year
for Pietenpols at Sun-N-Fun !
I might have to book myself an airline ticket even.....
Mike C.
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Ray,
I had a couple free minutes before I took off for the week. It took 10
seconds to pull off one of the rear cabanes. It measures 21" end-to-end, and
weighs 18 oz (had to use the postal scales!).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Shad,
Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the 4130
struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working. If the
wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way.
I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the metal
struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to the
right size.
Thanks for your help.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
>
>
> Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than
> streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be
> required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse 4130,
> If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inch
> by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero works
> for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined
> tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero
> Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he
> does not have a web site.
>
>
> Shad
>
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Gary Hi!
Windshield looks great!
Can I join with Dan and ask for more pictures and details.
Regards
Gerry, UK
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| Subject: | my apologies and appreciations through difficult times |
To all, I apologize for my withdrawal from the recent activities of the
board, times at the moment are difficult best. I would also like to thank you
all for the kind and consoling words, e mails and thoughts. I certainly do
appreciate your concerns and contacts, it's nice to know that at the depths
of despair and grief that there is a support net work of friends willing
to help.
They time heals all wounds, at the moment I can only hope for that to be
true and that the time passes quickly. I will continue to read work and build
and when the time for me is right I will rejoin your ranks.
These past weeks and days has taught me much about the people I choose to
be associated and connected to. I could not let the time pass without
thanking you for your contacts, support and expression of concern for my absence,
its nice to be missed by friends
Thank you all
John
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Thanks, Dan! I'll post some more pics later in the week.when I get back to
the office, but here's a teaser.
#13 shows the gap between the front and back piece. #15 shows the 'filler'.
It's just a piece of .016 bent to an 'L' and is located on the front side of
the glass.
#8 shows the cutout process of one of the pieces. After finishing this
windscreen, I think I could incorporate the filler piece in to the front
frame and just bend it over.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Gary,
Like that windscreen a lot. Could you post more detail shots at front
corners? I think I am going to make mine over again. Yours looks like it is
all one piece, front and uprights?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done,
so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from
6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for
the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not
cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a
wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Wow, that cabane is beautiful!
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe
Sent: Feb 22, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
Ray,
I had a couple free minutes before I took off for the week. It took 10
seconds to pull off one of the rear cabanes. It measures 21" end-to-end,
and weighs 18 oz (had to use the postal scales!).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Shad,
Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the
4130
struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working.
If the
wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way.
I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the metal
struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to
the
right size.
Thanks for your help.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier
than
> streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be
> required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just
usse 4130,
> If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the
2 inch
> by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg
aero works
> for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale"
on streamlined
> tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg
Aero
> Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my
hanger, he
> does not have a web site.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Jack Textor's turtledeck progress |
Mike,
Thanks for the kind words! I was planning on something similar but had
not
decided which method to use. Can you think of a reason the bracing is
in an
oval pattern? I would guess if they were straight across it would help
even
out the load. I was considering using 1/8=94 ply about =BE=94 high.
Finished
the back cap and belt slots last night.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
Excellent looking work Jack. One thing that was suggested to me by
Frank
Pavliga you might consider
is using some leftover capstrip material to stabilize the stringers one
to
another as this sketch showed.
This helps prevent the fabric tension as you tighten from distorting the
stringers and bowing them.
Mike C.
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for you guys with Model A engines, I have seen some installations where
the intake was extended about 1" so that the center two exhaust stacks
do not have to jog around the intake. Since the intake is cast iron,
and difficult to weld, I was wondering how this was done? Is it brazed?
Also, what material was used for the extension (black iron?), and what
was done (if anything) to prevent there being a "step" or other
interference on the inner diameter of the intake?
I have a Model B intake (slightly larger inside diameter than an A) and
I have cut off the carb flange and exhaust shroud flange (which is not
needed) and I want to re-attach the flange with a short extension. Just
wondering how others have done it.
Gene
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Thanks, Gerry. Although it took a measurable amount of time, the parts
seemed to go together well. No doubt others can do a better job, but I'll
post those pics, step-by-step, in a few days.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Holland
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Gary Hi!
Windshield looks great!
Can I join with Dan and ask for more pictures and details.
Regards
Gerry, UK
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| Subject: | Re: Jack Textor's turtledeck progress |
There's an easier way than that... get a strip of thin plywood and glue
it, curved, to the bottoms of the longerons.
Works a charm.
Of course, there's no reason to add that stiffness and that weight,
since the fabric will stabilize it.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack Textor's turtledeck progress
Excellent looking work Jack. One thing that was suggested to me by
Frank Pavliga you might consider
is using some leftover capstrip material to stabilize the stringers
one to another as this sketch showed.
This helps prevent the fabric tension as you tighten from distorting
the stringers and bowing them.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout... |
Mike,
Thanks a million, somehow I had missed all these references. I have
the Westcoast Peit web site, but not the others. These will help a lot.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Pastor Mike Townsley
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
I do not think they are on the list...here is some links.
Chad's Scout Click Here for Article and Pics
Mr. Dennis Halls Scout a Picture Click Here to See
A few more pics on this page
And more pics on bottom of this page
I can not remember what magazine ran an article on Mr. Hall's
Scout..but I remember seeing a nice artle on it.
Enjoy,
Mike
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ray Krause
<raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
Thanks, Mike.
I weigh ONLY 180, so maybe it is a possibility! I think I can
adjust the CG by moving the wing back, or elongating the motor mount. I
may have to build 2 motor mounts to find out, but that should not be too
bad.
I will probably go with the metal struts, but I like the idea of
wood.
I do not know about Chad Willie and Mr. Hall's Scouts. How do I
find out about them? Are they on this list?
Thanks,
Ray Krause
N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62 wood
prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pastor Mike Townsley
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
HI Ray,
How much do you weigh? I weigh about 220 lbs and I was told I am
too heavy for the Scout. I know some scouts have been built and have
seen them for sale, some say no pilots over 200 lbs, as weight and
balance won't work out...it will be tail heavy.
On the tubing, you could use round tubing and use some wood to
steamline it. Some have done that. But you could use chrome moly tubing.
I would not use aluminum. Just make sure it is strong enough. I am sure
lots of guys will chime in on the right size tubing to use.
I decided to move to a Air Camper over the Scout for two reasons,
1. My weight. 2. I could learn to fly in the Air Camper and it doesn't
take that much more materials to build. (if I ever get to buiding)
Good luck on the Scout. I hope it all works out for you. It would
be a nice plane. Have you read about Chad Willie's Scout and Mr. Hall's
Scout ? Two nice ones to model after.
Mike Townsley
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Ray Krause
<raykrause@frontiernet.net> wrote:
I have started the Sky Scout and have completed the tail
sections and about 1/2 of the fuselage. I will be using the A-65 that
came with the completed ribs and the wood/plans.
The plans call for "1675" streamlined tubing, but I find no
reference to this at the supply houses. I am assuming it is chromolly
(an older designation), not aluminum; correct? All of the other metal
call-outs are for chromolly. To those who have made their struts from
laminated wood, are they lighter than Chromolly?
This is sure a lot of fun, but the plans sure leave a lot of
"builder discretion (interpretation)"! Please let me know if others are
building, or have built, a Sky Scout. I don't think they are very
popular, as compared to the Air Camper. I am building exactly to plans,
except for the "interpretation" items. I plan to use the three section
wing plans for practicality purposes.
Oh yes, another minor change that might be considered: I have a
J-3 tank that fits perfectly behind the firewall and allows plenty of
leg room. Good, or bad, for CG considerations? I am used to having the
fuel right between my legs since I fly a Sonex and the J-3!
I look forward to good discussions with the Sky Scout. I have
followed this group for over a year now.
Thanks,
Ray Krause
N51YX, Waiex, TD, Jab 3300 (1197), AeroCarb, Sensinich 54X62
wood prop, Dynon D-180, Garmin SL-30, 327, 296, 169 hrs. Colusa,
California 530-736-2627
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| Subject: | turtledeck bracing |
Can you think of a reason the bracing is in an oval pattern? I would gues
s if they were straight across it would help even out the load.
I can't Jack, it was just the way Frank Pavliga advised me on installing so
me 'insurance' supports mid-span the bulkhead-type
stringer supports you've already got in there. I like your idea of hav
ing so many stringers-it really gives an elegant look.
I don't think the plans show enough stringers so I added a few of my own th
at number close to 10 or 11.
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I was considering using 1/8" ply about =BE" high. Finished the back cap
and belt slots last night.
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
Excellent looking work Jack. One thing that was suggested to me by Fran
k Pavliga you might consider
is using some leftover capstrip material to stabilize the stringers one to
another as this sketch showed.
This helps prevent the fabric tension as you tighten from distorting the st
ringers and bowing them.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout... |
Gary,
Thanks for going out of your way. Only 18 Ozs? That seems pretty light.
I will check the metal weights and try to guestimate the weight of the
fittings.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
Ray,
I had a couple free minutes before I took off for the week. It took 10
seconds to pull off one of the rear cabanes. It measures 21" end-to-end,
and weighs 18 oz (had to use the postal scales!).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:54 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Shad,
Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the
4130
struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working.
If the
wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way.
I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the
metal
struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to
the
right size.
Thanks for your help.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier
than
> streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be
> required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse
4130,
> If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2
inch
> by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero
works
> for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on
streamlined
> tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg
Aero
> Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger,
he
> does not have a web site.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout... |
Nice work Gary...looks really great!
Mike Townsley
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Ray,
>
>
> I had a couple free minutes before I took off for the week. It took 10
> seconds to pull off one of the rear cabanes. It measures 21" end-to-end,
and
> weighs 18 oz (had to use the postal scales!).
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, Ca.
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> (18 ribs down=85)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:54 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
>
>
> raykrause@frontiernet.net>
>
>
> Shad,
>
>
> Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the 4130
>
> struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working. If
> the
>
> wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way.
>
>
> I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the metal
>
> struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to th
e
>
> right size.
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
> Ray Krause
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
>
>
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> >
>
> >
>
> > Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than
>
> > streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be
>
> > required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse
> 4130,
>
> > If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inc
h
>
> > by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero
> works
>
> > for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined
>
> > tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero
>
> > Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he
>
> > does not have a web site.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Shad
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout... |
Gary,
If I made these 22" struts (front/center) from metal, they would weigh
22+ ounces without the ends. How did you decide on the thickness and
shape for the struts? Why did you chose Hickory versus, say ash? Did
you laminate because you needed to get to a certain thickness, or for
strength? There is a source for hickory and ash that has 2" (8/4)
material in Chico, I think. I got some 1" ash for 2.37 per board foot.
Are your "flying struts" (the long struts) also hickory? What shape?
Thanks,
Ray Krause.
P.S. The aerostream tubing is very expensive, about $56.00 per front
strut ($28.00/ft and .7593 lbs/ft). Wicks has it for $17.00/ft right
now. I am not sure of its quality. None of the aerotubing matches the
recommended sizes on the plans (1.5 X .75 and 2" X 1").
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
Ray,
I had a couple free minutes before I took off for the week. It took 10
seconds to pull off one of the rear cabanes. It measures 21" end-to-end,
and weighs 18 oz (had to use the postal scales!).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray
Krause
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:54 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Shad,
Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the
4130
struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working.
If the
wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way.
I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the
metal
struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to
the
right size.
Thanks for your help.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier
than
> streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be
> required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse
4130,
> If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2
inch
> by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero
works
> for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on
streamlined
> tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg
Aero
> Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger,
he
> does not have a web site.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Visit to Long Island NY |
Hi - I'm traveling to Long Island 23 Feb - 1 March on business. Would enjoy visiting
any projects/planes within an hour drive or so. Please contact me at kevin.purtee@us.army.mil
or 512-422-6371 if you can tolerate a quick evening visit
sometime that week.
Thanks,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Ears |
Gary - I just read this thread & may be too late. I did not put access holes for
my spark plugs. When I had to replace the plugs I simply removed the outer
bolts holding the eyebrow cowls and gently lifted the cowls to give enough clearance
to get to the plugs. Worked fine.
For the oil cooler, I simply extended the eyebrow cowl to cover the cooler, and
so far it appears that I've got a LOT of oil cooling. I think your approach
may be better.
Take care,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin, TX
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I remember a while back when people were talking about strut weights, I went
out and weighed one of my wooden struts with fittings. Someone had weighed
their steel ones and the wood one was lighter. I can't though find my old
email and don't remember the weights.
I'll bet the aluminum struts are lighter though.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Ears |
Gary,
Do you intend to use both the stock corvair oil cooler and another remote oil cooler
? I noticed the sandwich adapter on your rear oil filter adapter.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Ears |
Gary,
Do you intend to use both the stock corvair oil cooler and another remote oil cooler
? I noticed the sandwich adapter on your rear oil filter adapter.
Dan
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Is it just me or does Bob Costas come off as a pompous, little, condescendi
ng commentator who
has no sense of humor or likeability factors what so ever ? Watch and
see if you ever see him smile.
I haven't seen it once yet but then again I turn to another channel wheneve
r I see his little weasel face.
Okay, thank you. I feel much better now.
Please forgive me if you're a Costas fan but he gives me the same warm fuzz
ies that Bryant Gumbell used to.
Mike C.
do not archive
by the way--- NICE looking wood cabanes Gary B. in CA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you say Waldo Pepper ?
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Ray,
Your questions are intelligent and educated..attributes to which I make no
personal claim. In all honesty, I perused the West Coast Piet web site to
exhaustion. Too bad Chris Tracy doesn't have sponsors, or he'd be a rich
man! After looking at every application of wood strut that has been built
and is flying, I decided it was doable. Conversations about appropriate
woods went from ash to spruce, including hickory. I decided that I liked the
look of hickory and the decision was that easy. For size, I just used the
plans dimensions for steel.
Later conversations with another builder (either Cliff Dawson or Douwe
Blumberg), far more intelligent and educated than I, showed published
strengths of various woods, and verified that hickory had plenty of strength
for our purposes. I think I can find that email, but it's on my other
computer at home.
My wing struts will also be hickory, roughly the shape and size on the
plans. Connections will surely be similar to Douwe's. All cabanes and wing
struts are laminated because..that's what everyone does! Really, it gives
you an opportunity to rotate the grain and eliminate the possibility of
having a weak link. Also, it looks really cool!
My wood source is a local hardwood supplier, in Auburn, Ca (California
Hardwoods), who does his own wholesale purchasing in whatever length and
size needed. He even mills, if necessary. He located my fir spars and sold
all four for $185!! Bonus is that he helped build some wood airplanes and
knows what grains to look for.
Further note: If anything goes wrong, I'll blame Chris Tracy for publishing
all those photos!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
Gary,
If I made these 22" struts (front/center) from metal, they would weigh 22+
ounces without the ends. How did you decide on the thickness and shape for
the struts? Why did you chose Hickory versus, say ash? Did you laminate
because you needed to get to a certain thickness, or for strength? There is
a source for hickory and ash that has 2" (8/4) material in Chico, I think.
I got some 1" ash for 2.37 per board foot.
Are your "flying struts" (the long struts) also hickory? What shape?
Thanks,
Ray Krause.
P.S. The aerostream tubing is very expensive, about $56.00 per front strut
($28.00/ft and .7593 lbs/ft). Wicks has it for $17.00/ft right now. I am not
sure of its quality. None of the aerotubing matches the recommended sizes on
the plans (1.5 X .75 and 2" X 1").
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe <mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:31 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
Ray,
I had a couple free minutes before I took off for the week. It took 10
seconds to pull off one of the rear cabanes. It measures 21" end-to-end, and
weighs 18 oz (had to use the postal scales!).
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
<raykrause@frontiernet.net>
Shad,
Thanks for the comments on the struts. I will probably go with the 4130
struts from Wicks. It is just that I really enjoy the wood working. If the
wood were comparable, I would maybe go that way.
I would appreciate the Dillsburg Aero Reference. The size of the metal
struts is included in the plans; so I can probably get pretty close to the
right size.
Thanks for your help.
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "shad bell" <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout...
>
>
> Ray, I am not 100% sure but I would bet wooden struts are heavier than
> streamlined tube. The bolts, and steel end fittings that would be
> required add up fast. As for the older metal designation, just usse 4130,
> If you need I can see what dimensions ours are, some where in the 2 inch
> by 9/16 (minor axis) .049 wall thickness. also check dillsburg aero works
> for tube prices, wicks is also having a special "sale" on streamlined
> tubing of some dimensions. I can look up the number for Dillsburg Aero
> Works in PA if you need me to, I have a price list out in my hanger, he
> does not have a web site.
>
>
> Shad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Ears |
HAH!! You just had to bring that up!! Long explanation, none of which is a
good excuse, but WW also pointed that out to me. I'm saving my shekels for a
Niagara cooler (anybody want a 12 plate?).
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:48 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cooling Ears
Gary,
Do you intend to use both the stock corvair oil cooler and another remote
oil cooler ? I noticed the sandwich adapter on your rear oil filter
adapter.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: totally way off topic--do not archive |
Nah, it's just you. >:-}
>Is it just me or does Bob Costas come off as a pompous, little,
>condescending commentator who
>has no sense of humor or likeability factors what so ever ?
>Watch and see if you ever see him smile.
>I haven't seen it once yet but then again I turn to another channel
>whenever I see his little weasel face.
>
>Okay, thank you. I feel much better now.
>
>Please forgive me if you're a Costas fan but he gives me the same
>warm fuzzies that Bryant Gumbell used to.
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
>
>by the way--- NICE looking wood cabanes Gary B. in CA
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you say Waldo Pepper ?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling Ears |
Kevin,
Yes, you are too late as I have cut out those access holes. Although WW
complimented my metal work in ducting of the air over the cooler, he highly
suggested that I change it to give it more head pressure. In other
words...more like yours!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cooling Ears
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Gary - I just read this thread & may be too late. I did not put access
holes for my spark plugs. When I had to replace the plugs I simply removed
the outer bolts holding the eyebrow cowls and gently lifted the cowls to
give enough clearance to get to the plugs. Worked fine.
For the oil cooler, I simply extended the eyebrow cowl to cover the cooler,
and so far it appears that I've got a LOT of oil cooling. I think your
approach may be better.
Take care,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin, TX
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| Subject: | totally way off topic--do not archive |
Waldo Pepper.
Thanks.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archive
Is it just me or does Bob Costas come off as a pompous, little,
condescending commentator who
has no sense of humor or likeability factors what so ever ? Watch and
see if you ever see him smile.
I haven't seen it once yet but then again I turn to another channel whenever
I see his little weasel face.
Okay, thank you. I feel much better now.
Please forgive me if you're a Costas fan but he gives me the same warm
fuzzies that Bryant Gumbell used to.
Mike C.
do not archive
by the way--- NICE looking wood cabanes Gary B. in CA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you say Waldo Pepper ?
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| Subject: | Vintage Instruments Listing on Barnstormers |
Hello good people!
I came across this listing on Barnstormers (this is part of my daily
routine), and figured one or two of you may be interested in what this
feller is selling. My disclaimer here is that I don't know this guy
or the quality of his goods. Proceed at your own risk. -Wayne
> http://barnstormers.com/listing.php?id=412241
>
> VINTAGE INSTRUMENTS CLEANING OUT THE HANGAR 30's-70's e-mail
> your request 100's to choose from. clocks, turn co, alt, air spd. te
> mp, radios etc. Contact Alex Londe - LONDE AIR LLC, Owner - locate
> d Jackson, TN USA Telephone: 731-571-7800 . Posted February
> 22, 2010
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| Subject: | totally way off topic--do not archive |
Keyser S=F6ze!
>Waldo Pepper.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, CA
do not archive
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: totally way off topic--do not archive |
Mike,
I wish I knew what you were talking about, but I don't get TV any
more. Between work, kid(s), and my website, I didn't have enough time
left over to spend watching TV. And when I did watch TV, I didn't get
anything else done.
Maybe another building project is in your future? I recommend a Sky
Scout. There aren't many of those around. :)
Do not archive.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:38 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Is it just me or does Bob Costas come off as a pompous, little,
> condescending commentator who
> has no sense of humor or likeability factors what so ever ?
> Watch and see if you ever see him smile.
> I haven=99t seen it once yet but then again I turn to another
channel
> whenever I see his little weasel face.
>
> Okay, thank you. I feel much better now.
>
> Please forgive me if you=99re a Costas fan but he gives me the
same wa
> rm fuzzies that Bryant Gumbell used to.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> by the way--- NICE looking wood cabanes Gary B. in
> CA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you say Waldo Pepper ?
>
>
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| Subject: | totally way off topic--do not archive |
Now, see=85that=92s the sort of enlightened response that confuses a
country
boy, like me. But I do know Google:
=93If that is what you think then you don't understand how the legal
system
works.=94
What=92s that have to do with it? More Google:
=93The devil himself.=94
I know that=92s not what he meant! More Google, how about Wikipedia this
time:
(The system cannot find the path specified)
Now I have to decide whether to give up, or spend the rest of the night
reading about Keyser Soze. =85.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archive
Keyser S=F6ze!
Waldo Pepper.
Thanks.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
do not archive
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | totally way off topic--do not archive |
Mike,
I agree with Wayne! Your first plane was a masterpiecethink how
good your next one will be
My wife and I have been discussing the trash on TV and eliminating our
cable bill.seriously!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Bressler
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archive
Mike,
I wish I knew what you were talking about, but I don't get TV any more.
Between work, kid(s), and my website, I didn't have enough time left
over to spend watching TV. And when I did watch TV, I didn't get
anything else done.
Maybe another building project is in your future? I recommend a Sky
Scout. There aren't many of those around. :)
Do not archive.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:38 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace
Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
Is it just me or does Bob Costas come off as a pompous, little,
condescending commentator who
has no sense of humor or likeability factors what so ever ? Watch
and see if you ever see him smile.
I haven=99t seen it once yet but then again I turn to another
channel whenever I see his little weasel face.
Okay, thank you. I feel much better now.
Please forgive me if you=99re a Costas fan but he gives me the
same warm fuzzies that Bryant Gumbell used to.
Mike C.
do not archive
by the way--- NICE looking wood cabanes Gary B. in CA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you say Waldo Pepper ?
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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ontribution
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| Subject: | Vacation-unsubscribe |
I'll be away for ~2 weeks and don't want to scroll thru 100's of
e-mails. How do I get off the list temporarily??--Jim Lagowski
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Ray, and others, The PH number for Dillsburg Aeroworks is 717-432-4589, the
y have the best price on pretty much any size tubing you need.- Mr Vogals
ong (The owner) is an old timer who knows his stuff (From what I gather) ha
s built 1 or 2 airplanes, bicycles etc etc.- Give him a call and have him
send you a price sheet on his inventory.- He caries some AN hardware, pl
umbing fittings and other odds and ends.- FYI, to get his best prices you
will want to buy full lengths of tubing, 16-18ft ea.- He will cut to 8ft
so it can be shipped UPS, for no charge.- Give him a call.
-
Shad=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: totally way off topic--do not archive |
Gary,
Go for it. I only miss the news and Jeopardy. Everything else is
usually available on Hulu or Netflix. I saved $60/mo by cancelling my
TV sevice. The wife and I enjoy a movie together once a week, and my
daughter watches educational shows and Disney movies on DVD. I now
know all the lines, lyrics, and jokes to The Little Mermaid, Alladin,
Monsters Inc, etc...
And I really do have more time for my recreational (aviation)
pursuits. :)
Do not archive.
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:36 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Mike,
>
>
> I agree with Wayne! Your first plane was a masterpiecethink
how goo
> d your next one will be
>
>
> My wife and I have been discussing the trash on TV and eliminating
> our cable bill.seriously!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:08 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archive
>
>
> Mike,
>
>
> I wish I knew what you were talking about, but I don't get TV any
> more. Between work, kid(s), and my website, I didn't have enough
> time left over to spend watching TV. And when I did watch TV, I
> didn't get anything else done.
>
>
> Maybe another building project is in your future? I recommend a Sky
> Scout. There aren't many of those around. :)
>
>
> Do not archive.
>
>
> Wayne Bressler Jr.
>
> Taildraggers, Inc.
>
> taildraggersinc.com
>
>
> On Feb 22, 2010, at 5:38 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Is it just me or does Bob Costas come off as a pompous, little,
> condescending commentator who
>
> has no sense of humor or likeability factors what so ever ?
> Watch and see if you ever see him smile.
>
> I haven=99t seen it once yet but then again I turn to another
channel
> whenever I see his little weasel face.
>
>
> Okay, thank you. I feel much better now.
>
>
> Please forgive me if you=99re a Costas fan but he gives me the
same wa
> rm fuzzies that Bryant Gumbell used to.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> by the way--- NICE looking wood cabanes Gary B. in
> CA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you say Waldo Pepper ?
>
>
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
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| Subject: | How did I fall in love with the Piet? |
I built my first Pietenpol 30 years ago. It only had a 36 in wingspan,
2 channel radio, and a Cox .049 engine. I flew the crap out of that
thing in the field behind my house. My 2 year old son would walk back
there and hang with me too. He is 32 now, and took some pictures of me
flying my current Pietenpol overhead last friday. Its funny, but when I
looked at his pictures I was reminded of this old model. I can still
remember that the model included some scaled down prints of the original
Pietenpol plans for reference when detailing the model. In the attached
picture you can see the fake Model A engine. Its funny how seeds are
sown. I even copied the color scheme on this model for my full-scale
version.
It won't be long before the son that watched his dad fly the model will
be climbing into the front seat to share the new model with me. A Sport
Pilot Instructor ticket is sounding like a new goal.
Ben Charvet
Piet lover
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| Subject: | Re: totally way off topic--do not archive |
Do it Gary, you'll never miss it! We've been without TV for over
15. i don't know how we'd ever find time for it now.
Kip Gardner
(Heading downstairs to work on refurbishing beehives a local farmer
gave me)
Do Not Archive
On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Gary Boothe wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I agree with Wayne! Your first plane was a masterpiece=85think how
> good your next one will be=85
>
> My wife and I have been discussing the trash on TV and eliminating
> our cable bill=85.seriously!
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 18 ribs done
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| Subject: | Re: totally way off topic--do not archive |
RE: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archiveYou'll be all
right, Gary. Just round up the usual suspects.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archive
Now, see.that's the sort of enlightened response that confuses a
country boy, like me. But I do know Google:
"If that is what you think then you don't understand how the legal
system works."
What's that have to do with it? More Google:
"The devil himself."
I know that's not what he meant! More Google, how about Wikipedia this
time:
(The system cannot find the path specified)
Now I have to decide whether to give up, or spend the rest of the
night reading about Keyser Soze. ..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 3:57 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: totally way off topic--do not archive
Keyser S=F6ze!
Waldo Pepper.
Thanks.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
do not archive
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: totally way off topic--do not archive |
I don't watch TV. Can't sit for 30-60 minutes watching TV
with commercials anymore... just no patience for it. And
with cable channels probably numbering over 200, there
are only a few that my wife watches and she will sometimes
call me to come look at something but knows it won't hold
my attention for long if it isn't related to airplanes, world
travel, something good to eat, or something really earth-
shattering (and I don't mean "BREAKING NEWS!" as all
the news channels continuously declare every time some
dignitary sprains their ankle).
Like many of you, my wife and I watch a movie once a
week, we subscribe to Netflix and look forward to movie
nite with frozen margaritas or something. My wife will not
watch ANY westerns whatsoever, including modern "Lonesome
Dove" type movies, not too many airplane movies, but she
is one for war movies of many kinds. "We Were Soldiers",
"Saving Private Ryan", "Platoon", "Blackhawk Down", "Das
Boot", you name it, she's probably game.
I must be getting old and cranky as I age... I would much
prefer spending 30 minutes going through 85 or so posts on
my brother's blog describing the teardown and restoration
of an 850 Norton twin than I would spending the same amount
of time watching some Olympic curling competition.
do not archive
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287746#287746
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| Subject: | Re: How did I fall in love with the Piet? |
Now that first picture, Ben, is a frameable classic and should be sent to EAA for
publication. Beautiful.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=287747#287747
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| Subject: | Finally making sawdust and progress! |
After a year and a half break from building, for various and sundry reasons, I'm
finally back to making sawdust and progress on my Piet project. Now that my
bandsaw is fixed and I've finally gotten some wood to work with, I'm cutting
some 1/2" x 1/4" capstrip so that I can soon start building ribs. I should also
have enough wood left over to buld my horizontal stab, thus completing the
woodwork part of my tail section. It feels really good to finally be back to
working on my Piet! I'll be back out in the garage again tomorrow cutting more
capstrip!
--------
Billy McCaskill
Urbana, IL
tailfeathers almost done
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| Subject: | totally way off topic--do not archive |
It's all about alarming the masses...or not... >:-}
>Now, seethat's the sort of enlightened response
>that confuses a country boy, like me. But I do
>know Google:
>
>"If that is what you think then you don't
>understand how the legal system works."
>
>What's that have to do with it? More Google:
>
>"The devil himself."
>
>I know that's not what he meant! More Google, how about Wikipedia this time:
>
>(The system cannot find the path specified)
>
>Now I have to decide whether to give up, or
>spend the rest of the night reading about Keyser
>Soze. .
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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