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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy (Gene Rambo)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy (Jack Phillips)
3. 05:41 AM - tailwheel arm (Douwe Blumberg)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy (wayne & Cathy Boniface)
5. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy (Dick N)
6. 10:19 AM - Re: tailwheel arm (Jack Phillips)
7. 12:42 PM - Wood Cabanes (Gary Boothe)
8. 01:18 PM - dimpletape on a Ford (Douwe Blumberg)
9. 03:10 PM - Re: Aluminum struts (Pietn38b@aol.com)
10. 03:50 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (shad bell)
11. 03:50 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (shad bell)
12. 04:15 PM - Re: Aluminum struts (bryan green)
13. 05:59 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (Jeff Boatright)
14. 06:41 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (Ryan Mueller)
15. 07:16 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (Jeff Boatright)
16. 08:49 PM - Re: Sky Scout..."Glue"question? (Ray Krause)
17. 08:59 PM - Markle Mania 2010 final results (Ryan Mueller)
18. 09:14 PM - Re: Sky Scout..."Glue"question? (Ray Krause)
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel & shimmy |
I just bought one a few months ago. I think the part number is still
good, and it cost about 19.00
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber<mailto:lmforge@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy
Here is a repeat of a post from 1997.....
"John Deere sells a spring that's a perfect match for the specs;
its part number is
T 143444, and it costs about $9.00. Its outer dia. is 1.5
in.; full length
( no load ) is 6.73" ; the coil itself is .191" thick. I've
tested its compresed
load, and it almost gets totally compressed under my weight (c.
210 lbs.). I
don't know what the spring is used for in a John Deere, but
Ken Perkins tells
me that the spring for a 1929 JD rake is a perfect match.
Maybe "that's what
it's for."
This is the spring I used and I think it cost me $19 a couple of years
agoRick SchreiberValparaiso, IN
----- Original Message -----
From: wayne & Cathy Boniface<mailto:catway@sympatico.ca>
To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: 2/27/2010 8:51:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy
Hey guys: on your "A" frame tail wheel assembly what do you use for
a spring.
is this something that acs carries or something you had to find
somewhere else
I'm thinking the coil spring from the front end of a motorcycle, or
is that to stiff,
this is getting to me so any ideas would be appreciated.
wayne
waterloo on.
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel & shimmy |
I got mine from McMaster-Carr. I don't remember the part number but you can
look at their springs online and figure it out.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of wayne &
Cathy Boniface
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy
Hey guys: on your "A" frame tail wheel assembly what do you use for a
spring.
is this something that acs carries or something you had to find somewhere
else
I'm thinking the coil spring from the front end of a motorcycle, or is that
to stiff,
this is getting to me so any ideas would be appreciated.
wayne
waterloo on.
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Dan,
I did the same thing, converting from a skid to a tailwheel and learned a
lesson I want to share. My tailwheel arms had pins that stuck into the fuse
brackets, but when I put the cross member in, I could no long spread the arm
to get the pins in. I had to take off the fuse fittings, mount the arm and
then reassemble onto the fuse. If you used the original design, you might
want to watch out for this one.
Good luck!
D
ps. I'll just send pics once it's all together at the field becuase now it
just looks like a fuselage again!!
pss. Applying dimple tape in the next couple of days to do another runup
and see what it does to my static rpm, will report back
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel & shimmy |
thanks guy's, I'm off to our John Deer dealer,
wayne
waterloo on.
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel & shimmy |
Wayne I went to a used tractor parts dealed. Told him what I was
looking for and he sent me back to a building out back where I went thru
a pile of springs looking for the right ones. I think they came to
about $2.00 ea.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: wayne & Cathy Boniface
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel & shimmy
Hey guys: on your "A" frame tail wheel assembly what do you use for a
spring.
is this something that acs carries or something you had to find
somewhere else
I'm thinking the coil spring from the front end of a motorcycle, or is
that to stiff,
this is getting to me so any ideas would be appreciated.
wayne
waterloo on.
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Or use bolts to attach it to the fuselage, rather than pins.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailwheel arm
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Dan,
I did the same thing, converting from a skid to a tailwheel and learned a
lesson I want to share. My tailwheel arms had pins that stuck into the fuse
brackets, but when I put the cross member in, I could no long spread the arm
to get the pins in. I had to take off the fuse fittings, mount the arm and
then reassemble onto the fuse. If you used the original design, you might
want to watch out for this one.
Good luck!
D
ps. I'll just send pics once it's all together at the field becuase now it
just looks like a fuselage again!!
pss. Applying dimple tape in the next couple of days to do another runup
and see what it does to my static rpm, will report back
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A few days back, the subject of wood cabanes came up again. I remembered
that Clif Dawson had sent me some facts and figures to back up, Why it's OK
to use Wood for Cabanes:
"Spruce has a tensile strength of 6700 lb/square inch.
For the sake of argument let's say a strut is 1" X 3 1/2". With
streamlining, the area should be 2/3 of the square area, or 2.3 square inch.
There are four struts or 5.2 square inches. That's 34840 lbs (yes I know the
front ones take the majority of the load) .Dividing on the assumption of
equal load on a 1200 lb AC we get 29 g! How much less if properly
calculated? 25 g? 20 g? Is this adequate?
There's a bolt at each end. The strength here is based on how much force
required to pull a plug of wood out by the bolt. That plug has two faces,
the square area of which is the width of the strut times the distance from
the end to the bolt. If the strut is 1" thick and the bolt is 1" from the
end then you have two faces each 1" square or two square inches. The "shear
parallel to the grain" is 1120 lb per square inch. So we have a strength
here of 2240 lb. Four struts so that's a total of 8960 lb. That's still over
7 g. If we added another such bolt we have 14 g capacity. Taking into
account the higher front strut stress I'd bet we still have at least 10 g to
play with.
And this is for plain, solid spruce, no plywood, no laminated straps or
embedded tubing or anything else to complicate matters.
You can add a little more strength by using Western Hemlock or Doug Fir but
not much. "
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
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| Subject: | dimpletape on a Ford |
I applied the dimpletape to my Ford prop and ran it in pretty much the same
conditions as yesterday and my best guess is that it gained 20 to 25rpm
static. While I was hoping for a bit more, this is certainly better than
nothing.
It was interesting because though the tach showed differently, I'd swear the
engine was stronger, and it was a bit quieter and easier sounding.
I'm gonna leave it on, as it is almost invisible.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum struts |
Bryan
Sorry for the late reply. Din not get out to the hanger until today. The
strut material measures 3 1/4 by 1 1/4. I used 4130 for the cabanes as it
was given to me.Hope this is of some use.
Jim Ballew
Collinsville, OK
In a message dated 2/24/2010 10:20:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
lgreen1@sc.rr.com writes:
What size did you use for the cabanes and struts Jim?
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: _Pietn38b@aol.com_ (mailto:Pietn38b@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts
All
These are done the same way I did mine in 1995. I have taken mine apart a
couple of times to check for corrosion, all looks good. I got my strut
material from a kit manufacturer in Kansas. Rans Aircraft I think. At the
time the cost was about 1/4th the cost of making them from 4130.
Jim Ballew
Pietenpol N38B
Collinsville, Ok.
In a message dated 2/24/2010 8:00:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
helspersew@aol.com writes:
Hi All,
I used the alum struts like Larry Williams. The aluminum insert is 7075
aluminum that I got from Mcmastercarr.com. The bottom fitting (not shown) is
the 7075 insert, that I tapped for J-3 forked wing strut fitting (ACS or
Wag Aero?). Inserts are bolted through the strut with 1/4" bolts.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Dowe, Just wondering how much the dimple tape costs. I was also wondering how
it was to work with, as far as attatching it to the prop. I was debating on when
to apply it, before or after varnish? I have a spare prop that I am planning
on putting the dimple tape on for the corvair.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Dowe, Just wondering how much the dimple tape costs. I was also wondering how
it was to work with, as far as attatching it to the prop. I was debating on when
to apply it, before or after varnish? I have a spare prop that I am planning
on putting the dimple tape on for the corvair.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum struts |
Thanks Jim that's a big help. My rear struts and cabanes are damaged,
but the front struts are ok. I think I'll use the rear struts to
fabricate new cabanes and make aluminum rear struts.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietn38b@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts
Bryan
Sorry for the late reply. Din not get out to the hanger until today.
The strut material measures 3 1/4 by 1 1/4. I used 4130 for the cabanes
as it was given to me.Hope this is of some use.
Jim Ballew
Collinsville, OK
In a message dated 2/24/2010 10:20:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
lgreen1@sc.rr.com writes:
What size did you use for the cabanes and struts Jim?
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: Pietn38b@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum struts
All
These are done the same way I did mine in 1995. I have taken mine
apart a couple of times to check for corrosion, all looks good. I got
my strut material from a kit manufacturer in Kansas. Rans Aircraft I
think. At the time the cost was about 1/4th the cost of making them from
4130.
Jim Ballew
Pietenpol N38B
Collinsville, Ok.
In a message dated 2/24/2010 8:00:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
helspersew@aol.com writes:
Hi All,
I used the alum struts like Larry Williams. The aluminum insert
is 7075 aluminum that I got from Mcmastercarr.com. The bottom fitting
(not shown) is the 7075 insert, that I tapped for J-3 forked wing strut
fitting (ACS or Wag Aero?). Inserts are bolted through the strut with
1/4" bolts.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Douwe,
Where did you get the dimple tape?
Thanks,
Jeff
><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
>I applied the dimpletape to my Ford prop and ran it in pretty much the same
>conditions as yesterday and my best guess is that it gained 20 to 25rpm
>static. While I was hoping for a bit more, this is certainly better than
>nothing.
>
>It was interesting because though the tach showed differently, I'd swear the
>engine was stronger, and it was a bit quieter and easier sounding.
>
>I'm gonna leave it on, as it is almost invisible.
>
>Douwe
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Jeff,
You can get it straight from the person that invented it:
http://www.dimpletape.com/
Make sure to check out the usage examples....you can tape your prop, your
wings, and you can give the leftover to your beret-wearing speed skater
friends, or you can apply it to the wing on your 1981 Ford LTD. :P
Ryan
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> Douwe,
>
> Where did you get the dimple tape?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I applied the dimpletape to my Ford prop and ran it in pretty much the
>> same
>> conditions as yesterday and my best guess is that it gained 20 to 25rpm
>> static. While I was hoping for a bit more, this is certainly better than
>> nothing.
>>
>> It was interesting because though the tach showed differently, I'd swear
>> the
>> engine was stronger, and it was a bit quieter and easier sounding.
>>
>> I'm gonna leave it on, as it is almost invisible.
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Ryan,
Thanks for the link. If I wrap my head with it, will I think faster?
I guess like MMO, it couldn't hurt! =-O
Jeff
>Jeff,
>
>You can get it straight from the person that invented it:
>
><http://www.dimpletape.com/>http://www.dimpletape.com/
>
>Make sure to check out the usage examples....you can tape your prop,
>your wings, and you can give the leftover to your beret-wearing
>speed skater friends, or you can apply it to the wing on your 1981
>Ford LTD. :P
>
>Ryan
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout..."Glue"question? |
Thanks!
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout..."Glue"question?
> And the second one....
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:41 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout..."Glue"question?
>
>
>> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> If anyone is a member or subscriber to "Fine Woodworking",
>> they ran a glue comparison in August of 2007 on six
>> of the common wood glues, here:
>>
>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/Materials/MaterialsPDF.aspx?id=28897
>>
>> I'm not a member so I can't access the article but I
>> think I remember the results and Gorilla Glue didn't
>> place too well in the tests. My own experience with
>> it has NOT been on airplane stuff but what I've found
>> is that even with the air squeezed out of the container
>> and the container tightly capped, the stuff will set
>> up on the shelf and be useless so there's no point in
>> buying more than you can readily use. It also foams
>> out of the joint considerably, if you care about that.
>>
>> It's T88 for me...
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Markle Mania 2010 final results |
Good evening everyone,
We are emailing this evening to distribute the final update regarding Markle
Mania 2010, the effort to help Jim Markle keep his Pietenpol project. We
have received 73 generous donations out of 78 that were pledged, for a grand
total of $*6490.50*. No further donations have arrived in the past few
weeks, so I think it is safe to say that we can draw this to a close.
As I noted above, we received 78 pledged donations that were emailed to
marklepietenpolfund@gmail.com. Over the past month we have received 73 of
those pledged donations via checks in the mail, Paypal payments, and even a
Western Union transfer (first time I had ever used them!). Money came in
from generous contributors all across the US, Canada, Mexico, Argentina, and
Australia (I'm pretty sure that's everyone, if I missed your country I
apologize). This was truly a global effort to help a most valued member of
the Pietenpol community keep his dream alive.
We spoke with Jim last month after we started collecting contributions, and
asked about how he wanted to do the payout. We agreed to send one large
payment at that time for whatever we had collected, and then we would
forward the remainder to him later on. We made one transfer on Feb 8 for
$5,985.50, and the final transfer on Feb 24 for $455. Here are links to two
screen captures from the online banking page of the Bank of America account
we used for collecting the funds, showing the transfers made to Jim:
Transfer 1 <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/markle1.jpg>:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/markle1.jpg
Transfer 2 <http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/markle2.jpg>:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/markle2.jpg
In addition to the funds sent to us, Jim did receive one check in the mail
for $50. Add that to the $6440.50 that we transferred to him and we arrive
at the grand total of $6,490.50.
Commemorative "stock certificates" are in the works. We're not sure whether
we will try to print and mail those out; we may do a digital certificate in
PDF format, and then those that wish to have hard copies may print them out
themselves. We may also try to have some sort of informal get-together at
Brodhead 2010, possibly a "certificate burning", we're not sure yet. We may
even have a t-shirt design made up that could be purchased from CafePress.
We will work with other members of the Pietenpol community on this, and will
update everyone later this year when we figure out the details.
We want to thank everyone who participated in Markle Mania 2010. This is an
unbelievable community of airplane builders and aviation enthusiasts that we
are so fortunate to be a part of; thank you for doing your part to help Jim
keep the dream of building and flying his Pietenpol alive. As I'm sure you
do, we look forward to the day when Jim's Piet rolls off the grass and into
the sky, hopefully winging it's way to Brodhead.
Thank you again, and have a good evening!
Ryan Mueller & Jessica Ozbirn
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| Subject: | Re: Sky Scout..."Glue"question? |
Thanks, again!
Ray Krause
----- Original Message -----
From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout..."Glue"question?
> There were two glue articles.
> Here is the first one.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:41 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout..."Glue"question?
>
>
>> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>>
>>
>> If anyone is a member or subscriber to "Fine Woodworking",
>> they ran a glue comparison in August of 2007 on six
>> of the common wood glues, here:
>>
>> http://www.finewoodworking.com/Materials/MaterialsPDF.aspx?id=28897
>>
>> I'm not a member so I can't access the article but I
>> think I remember the results and Gorilla Glue didn't
>> place too well in the tests. My own experience with
>> it has NOT been on airplane stuff but what I've found
>> is that even with the air squeezed out of the container
>> and the container tightly capped, the stuff will set
>> up on the shelf and be useless so there's no point in
>> buying more than you can readily use. It also foams
>> out of the joint considerably, if you care about that.
>>
>> It's T88 for me...
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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