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1. 12:42 AM - dimpletape (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 12:42 AM - Pietenpol logo (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 02:47 AM - Re: Pietenpol logo (Jack)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol logo (taildrags)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (airlion)
6. 07:37 AM - Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (Dan Yocum)
7. 08:36 AM - Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (helspersew@aol.com)
8. 08:36 AM - Re: was glue question now latex paint (Michael Perez)
9. 08:48 AM - John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle) (Michael Perez)
10. 08:53 AM - Re: was glue question now latex paint (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 09:18 AM - Re: Pietenpol logo (Don Emch)
12. 09:38 AM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (Dan Yocum)
13. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol logo (Michael Perez)
14. 09:52 AM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (Michael Perez)
15. 10:05 AM - Re: John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle) (H RULE)
16. 10:49 AM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (helspersew@aol.com)
17. 11:03 AM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (airlion)
18. 11:50 AM - Re: Re: Cafepress (Wayne Bressler)
19. 01:02 PM - Re: Pietenpol logo (Michael Groah)
20. 02:20 PM - Re: Pietenpol logo (taildrags)
21. 03:43 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (skellytown flyer)
22. 03:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol logo (Wayne Bressler)
23. 03:57 PM - Re: dimpletape on a Ford (gliderx5@comcast.net)
24. 04:50 PM - trailer (skellytown flyer)
25. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Cafepress (Gary Boothe)
26. 04:50 PM - Re: John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle) (Gary Boothe)
27. 04:53 PM - Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (dgaldrich)
28. 05:04 PM - economy dimpletape (shad bell)
29. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! (Tim Willis)
30. 05:25 PM - Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! (dgaldrich)
31. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol logo (Jack Phillips)
32. 05:59 PM - Re: economy dimpletape (Tim Willis)
33. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol logo (Jack)
34. 06:02 PM - Re: Re: Cafepress (wayne@taildraggersinc.com)
35. 07:22 PM - Re: economy dimpletape (Dan Yocum)
36. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (Dan Yocum)
37. 07:44 PM - Piet pic (skellytown flyer)
38. 09:40 PM - Re: Pietenpol logo (jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com)
39. 11:04 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
40. 11:10 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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First off, THANK YOU! Ryan for doing the scutwork of "Markle Mania" ensuring
that a great idea was turned into action.
Shad, the dimpletape was easy to work with, just follow the directions. His
price is on the order form from his website. You have to order it the old
fashioned way and send him a ck. I made sure both the tape and the prop
were warm since it's freezing here, stuck it on, rubbed it down with the
backside of a spoon and started her up. For a permanent installation, he
recommends flowing some crazy glue around the edges, and you can spray a
thin coat of urathane over it if you please. I'm going to just use the
crazy glue. I'd varnish your prop first and if you want to varnish over the
tape, install the tape before the final coat. I don't think you should fill
the holes in the tape with too much varnish. I spoke with the guy, and he
says you can do the same thing on a wood prop by using the tape as a pattern
and dimple the prop surface using a 1/8th inch ball grinder in a dremel and
doing halfway in. There's a picture of this on the site.
Douwe
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Does anybody have a good quality Pietenpol logo in jpeg or something
similar?
I want to have some old-fashioned white mechanics coveralls silscreened with
a cool logo on the back. I found a neat old mobilgas logo, but then got to
thinking about the classic Pietenpol signature.
Douwe
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Douwe,
This is all I have, not sure who to credit with the design
Jack
DSM
Does anybody have a good quality Pietenpol logo in jpeg or something
similar?
I want to have some old-fashioned white mechanics coveralls silscreened with
a cool logo on the back. I found a neat old mobilgas logo, but then got to
thinking about the classic Pietenpol signature.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
There's always this one...
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Are there any other Listers out there using Dimpletape, and, if so, how much performance
increase is realized? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
________________________________
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 10:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a
Ford
Ryan,
Thanks for the link. If I wrap my head with it, will I think
faster? I guess like MMO, it couldn't hurt! =-O
Jeff
Jeff,
>
>>You can get it straight from the person that invented it:
>
http://www.dimpletape.com/
>
>>Make sure to check out the usage examples....you can tape your prop,
>your wings, and you can give the leftover to your beret-wearing speed
>skater friends, or you can apply it to the wing on your 1981 Ford
>LTD. :P
>
Ryan
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Riblett 612 and angle of incidence |
Pieti,
I watched the videos Jeff B. put on Youtube of your talk at Brodhead
last year. You mentioned that you kept your AoI of 2 degrees from the
FC-10 and that you'd probably like to see it at 1 degree or less because
at flat out cruise you've got to apply a significant (30-40lbs) amount
of forward pressure on the stick.
The question I have is this: did you build the angle of incidence into
the spar orientation in the ribs or did you keep the spars at a 90
degree angle to the wing chord?
Also, looking at the Riblett 612, I see that if you keep the front spar
the same distance from the leading edge as the FC1-1, 6 inches, that
dictates that the front spar and the rear spar will not be aligned,
vertically - the front spar must be shifted down an inch or so to fit in
the rib with respect to the aft spar. How did you address this? Did
you even worry about it?
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence |
Dan,
Sure sounds like somebody is going full speed ahead on building another Pi
et. :O)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Mon, Mar 1, 2010 9:18 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence
Pieti,
I watched the videos Jeff B. put on Youtube of your talk at Brodhead last
year. You mentioned that you kept your AoI of 2 degrees from the FC-10 an
d that you'd probably like to see it at 1 degree or less because at flat
out cruise you've got to apply a significant (30-40lbs) amount of forward
pressure on the stick.
The question I have is this: did you build the angle of incidence into the
spar orientation in the ribs or did you keep the spars at a 90 degree ang
le to the wing chord?
Also, looking at the Riblett 612, I see that if you keep the front spar th
e same distance from the leading edge as the FC1-1, 6 inches, that dictate
s that the front spar and the rear spar will not be aligned, vertically -
the front spar must be shifted down an inch or so to fit in the rib with
respect to the aft spar. How did you address this? Did you even worry abo
ut it?
Thanks,
Dan
-- Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: was glue question now latex paint |
I know EXACTLY what is bothering Mike C...Mike P.!- I ask (bother) Mike e
veryday with ridiculous questions about CHANGING this or CHANGING that as I
build. Then, when he has glazed over from all the potential changes I plan
to make, I hit him with the modified parts and self designed pieces I want
to incorporate!- (I can almost see the headache come over him as I speak
.)
-
I believe he beats himself up now with thoughts of:- -"That is an aweso
me idea, I wish I would have thought of that."- "I want to do that too, b
ut it would be to much work to change now."- "Mike P's plane is going to
be so much better then mine...I need to copy his ideas."--
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I think that last "thought" is most accurate!
-
I keep telling him I will gladly let him fly mine when finished, but for so
me reason, he seems to not be interested...?
-
For the record, I plan on using house paint.
-
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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Subject: | John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle) |
For those whom may have missed it, John's video is awesome! Very, well done
and very funny! I have watched it a handfull of times now and think it is
great. The link is below.- I am honored to be mentioned in the video as w
ere many of the viewers of this list.
-
FYI, the Pin the Tail on Perez GAME will be for sale on my site if I ever f
igure out how to make it. (This is NOT an invite for suggestions either)
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http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017
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Subject: | was glue question now latex paint |
I tend to use more Ibuprofen since Mike P. has been assigned to work in this area
but I'm finding
that Mike's modifications, ideas, and engineering abilities have caused me to RETHINK
how I built
my Pietenpol now. I'm thinking of even taking my plane apart and incorporating
some of Mike's
innovative ideas !
Actually Mike is really doing a FANTASTIC job of building a very, very high quality
aircraft and
has some really good ideas that he is incorporating into his plane.
When Mike comes up with some far out modifications I keep telling him that making
the first flight
in the airplane you built is a once in a lifetime experience----you don't want
to let anyone else
fly your hand-built airplane because that is akin to letting your best man take
your wife on your
honeymoon !
I think I have him convinced to make his own first flight !
Latex paint for everyone !
Mike C.
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
Wow Douwe!
Over the past week or so I was thinking exactly the same thing. The logo would
need to look 'period correct'. I'll look around in some of my '30s aviation
books and magazines to try to see some from those times. I know they were quite
popular back then. Maybe the price would come down if we could get a few of
them made up. Do you know where you can get a set of nice cotton white coveralls?
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288772#288772
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
Gardiner,
Bill Rewey wrote an article in one of the last 3 BPA newsletters on his
use of the dimpletape. He says he gets about 10% decrease in fuel
consumption using it on his prop.
If anyone's willing to put the stuff on their wing, I'd be interested in
seeing what results they get. I reckon it would act quite a bit like VGs.
Dan
On 03/01/2010 08:35 AM, airlion wrote:
> Are there any other Listers out there using Dimpletape, and, if so, how
> much performance increase is realized? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sun, February 28, 2010 10:15:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
>
> Ryan,
>
> Thanks for the link. If I wrap my head with it, will I think faster? I
> guess like MMO, it couldn't hurt! =-O
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> You can get it straight from the person that invented it:
>> http://www.dimpletape.com/
>>
>> Make sure to check out the usage examples....you can tape your prop,
>> your wings, and you can give the leftover to your beret-wearing speed
>> skater friends, or you can apply it to the wing on your 1981 Ford LTD. :P
>> Ryan
>
>
> --
>
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
I am VERY SLOWLY working on logos for our planes as well as homebuilts and experimentals.
(this doesn't do you guys any good right now.) I have a couple prototypes
in work, but they are full color and have a more modern "feel." (this does
not help you guys either.) I made up some iron on transfers from these and
was not happy with how that worked. (could have been the cheap paper I used)
I could work on a more nostalgic looking logo, but I am not clear yet as to how
to get it from Photo Shop on to a decal, iron on, silk screen, etc. with the
quality I want.
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
I am planning to use dimple tape on the prop and VGs on the wing. If it can
be proven that dimple tape is just as good in this application, I would us
e it. I think that would look a little nicer then the VGs. (How would both
dimple tape and VGs work on the wing?)
--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
Gardiner,
Bill Rewey wrote an article in one of the last 3 BPA newsletters on his
use of the dimpletape.- He says he gets about 10% decrease in fuel
consumption using it on his prop.
If anyone's willing to put the stuff on their wing, I'd be interested in
seeing what results they get. I reckon it would act quite a bit like VGs.
Dan
On 03/01/2010 08:35 AM, airlion wrote:
> Are there any other Listers out there using Dimpletape, and, if so, how
> much performance increase is realized? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sun, February 28, 2010 10:15:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
>
> Ryan,
>
> Thanks for the link. If I wrap my head with it, will I think faster? I
> guess like MMO, it couldn't hurt! =-O
>
> Jeff
>
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> You can get it straight from the person that invented it:
>> http://www.dimpletape.com/
>>
>> Make sure to check out the usage examples....you can tape your prop,
>> your wings, and you can give the leftover to your beret-wearing speed
>> skater friends, or you can apply it to the wing on your 1981 Ford LTD. :
P
>> Ryan
>
>
> --
>
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab- 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Re: John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle) |
Now that was very funny.I had no idea that Jim was doing that much damage t
o the Germans.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Micha
el Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASe
nt: Mon, March 1, 2010 11:40:49 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: John Hofmann'
s tribute video (Markle)=0A=0A=0AFor those whom may have missed it, John's
video is awesome! Very, well done and very funny! I have watched it a handf
ull of times now and think it is great. The link is below.- I am honored
to be mentioned in the video as were many of the viewers of this list.=0A
=0AFYI, the Pin the Tail on Perez GAME will be for sale on my site if I eve
r figure out how to make it. (This is NOT an invite for suggestions either)
===============
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
I am going to put dimple tape on my Aerona. I will report in after I have
had a chance to evaluate. Can that stuff be removed if I don't like it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
I am planning to use dimple tape on the prop and VGs on the wing. If it ca
n be proven that dimple tape is just as good in this application, I would
use it. I think that would look a little nicer then the VGs. (How would
both dimple tape and VGs work on the wing?)
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
HOW WOULD THE TAPE WORK ON A WARP DRIVE? GARDINER
________________________________
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 12:51:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
I am planning to use dimple tape on the prop and VGs on the wing. If it can be
proven that dimple tape is just as good in this application, I would use it. I
think that would look a little nicer then the VGs. (How would both dimple tape
and VGs work on the wing?)
--- On Mon, 3/1/10, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 12:25 PM
>
>
>
>Gardiner,
>
>Bill Rewey wrote an article in one of the last 3 BPA newsletters on his
>use of the dimpletape. He says he gets about 10% decrease in fuel
>consumption using it on his prop.
>
>If anyone's willing to put the stuff on their wing, I'd be interested in
>seeing what results they get. I reckon it would act quite a bit like VGs.
>
>Dan
>
>On 03/01/2010 08:35 AM, airlion wrote:
>> Are there any other Listers out there using Dimpletape, and, if so, how
>> much performance increase is realized? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> *Sent:* Sun, February 28, 2010 10:15:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
>>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> Thanks for the link. If I wrap my head with it, will I think faster? I
>> guess like MMO, it couldn't hurt! =-O
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> You can get it straight from the person that invented it:
>>> http://www.dimpletape.com/
>>>
>>> Make sure to check out the usage examples....you can tape your prop,
>>> your wings, and you can give the leftover to your
> beret-wearing speed
>>> skater friends, or you can apply it to the wing on your 1981 Ford LTD. :P
>>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Jeff Boatright
>> "Now let's think about this..."
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/
>
>
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I have not been as impressed with the quality of the direct printing
offered by Cafepress. The colors just don't seem as sharp as I'd
like. I almost have to wonder if silk screening wouldn't be better if
you knew exactly how many to order. Prepaid, perhaps?
Just a thought.
Do not archive
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
Douwe.
Here is the logo I'm going to put on the side of my plane. It's a modified version
of the other logo that was posted and then I added some wings. The picture
is of a sticker I made to see how I liked it ( and I've made a few minor modifications
since that sticker). I made the sticker out of some vinyl scraps
I had, so it's not the colors I will be doing when I make it for my plane but
it gives you the idea.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
________________________________
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 12:42:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol logo
Does anybody have a good quality Pietenpol logo in jpeg or something
similar?
I want to have some old-fashioned white mechanics coveralls silscreened with
a cool logo on the back. I found a neat old mobilgas logo, but then got to
thinking about the classic Pietenpol signature.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
Mike; I believe your logo would be exclusionary and would discriminate against
the Grega GN-1 Aircamper builders/pilots/enthusiasts out there. In the interest
of political correctness I suggest that you rework the logo to include everyone.
Maybe if you used Cub wings on it... ;o) Just kidding, of course.
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
I was asking a Tailwind flier friend about the dimple tape. and he said another
Tailwind guy said he tried it and it made his airplane 100$ lighter. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
That looks way cool! Nice work!
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Mar 1, 2010, at 3:13 PM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Douwe.
>
> Here is the logo I'm going to put on the side of my plane. It's a
> modified version of the other logo that was posted and then I added
> some wings. The picture is of a sticker I made to see how I liked
> it ( and I've made a few minor modifications since that sticker). I
> made the sticker out of some vinyl scraps I had, so it's not the
> colors I will be doing when I make it for my plane but it gives you
> the idea.
>
> Mike Groah
> Tulare CA
>
> From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
> To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 12:42:11 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol logo
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> <100_1166.jpg>
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Subject: | Re: dimpletape on a Ford |
I look forward to seeing your results. I know several people have reported that
dimple tape allowed more RPMs, but I wonder if that translates to more thrust.
Since the propeller is an airfoil, and the tape has modified the airfoil and
cut the drag, I assume that the lift (thrust) of the airfoil may have also been
affected, but I'm not sure if it would be more lift or less. Flying, or a thrust
test would certainly show this for sure. I'm not saying that I don't believe
it will improve the thrust, just that it is unclear to ME. I have VGs on
my Kolb and I'm sold on them. I hope the dimple tape works as well.
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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Sent: Monday, March 1, 2010 1:34:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimpletape on a Ford
I am going to put dimple tape on my Aerona. I will report in after I have had a
chance to evaluate. Can that stuff be removed if I don't like it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
I am planning to use dimple tape on the prop and VGs on the wing. If it can be
proven that dimple tape is just as good in this application, I would use it.
I think that would look a little nicer then the VGs. (How would both dimple tape
and VGs work on the wing?)
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I don't know if there is anybody out there interested in an aircraft hauler or
not. but I would sure like to sell mine to make room in my shop to start assembling
my project I hauled home from Arizona in it after I bought it from D.J.-
Trailer is in great condition and since it is skinned with aluminum I have kept
it inside just to prevent a chance of hail dents.but I need the room worse.
if you know anyone interested I'd sure appreciate an e-mail.it has also hauled
a 2 place Challenger long wing.Raymond
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Wayne,
I have to stick up for Cafepress, here. Maybe it's 'cuzz I don't have a
discriminating eye, but I sent the link out to my family who were looking
for birthday and Christmas ideas for me. They bought so many shirts and
sweatshirts that John Hoffman scrapped his low & slow Pietenpol, and is
looking for a Glasair or Legacy.at least that's what someone told me. I love
my Pietenpol stuff..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Bressler
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cafepress
I have not been as impressed with the quality of the direct printing offered
by Cafepress. The colors just don't seem as sharp as I'd like. I almost
have to wonder if silk screening wouldn't be better if you knew exactly how
many to order. Prepaid, perhaps?
Just a thought.
Do not archive
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
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Subject: | John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle) |
Michael,
Thanks for re-posting that! Somehow I managed to delete it and miss the
laugh..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 8:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Hofmann's tribute video (Markle)
For those whom may have missed it, John's video is awesome! Very, well done
and very funny! I have watched it a handfull of times now and think it is
great. The link is below. I am honored to be mentioned in the video as were
many of the viewers of this list.
FYI, the Pin the Tail on Perez GAME will be for sale on my site if I ever
figure out how to make it. (This is NOT an invite for suggestions either)
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017
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Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence |
I'm building a 612 wing and have just started doing the ribs with the spars perpendicular
to the chord line. You are correct that the front spar is lower than
the original but if the chord line is kept at the same angle of incidence with
respect to the fuselage as the original airfoil, then (I think) it should
be close.
I seem to remember somewhere that a 5 degree angle of incidence is a good place
to start. My rusty math skills (and a real calculator) indicate that a 1 inch
change on the cabanes gives about 2 degrees change on the angle of incidence
so the original plans recommendation of 2 inches (IIRC) difference makes mathematical
sense and approximates the 5 degree wag.
Since it'll be a couple of years before my airplane flies, I'll be interested to
see what happens with others.
Dave Aldrich
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Subject: | economy dimpletape |
Group, I have some mocck up dimple tape on the prop now. I sliced down some of
the do-it-yourselfer's adheasive perferated drywall tape. It is the stuff with
all the little round holes in it, and its a 50ft roll, 2 inches wide and about
$5 worth would probably do every pietenpol that is flying. I might try this
stuff and se how it works, just have to use some CA (model airplane super glue)
glue to hold it on, and coat it after it is done because it is just a heavy
paper. Just have to be careful not to fill in all the holes with varnish.
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO |
DEGREES!!!
TWO DEGREES!!!
>From my memory, the original prints call for a 2 degree angle of incidence. My
math at the time showed two degrees to be a few thousandths of an inch less
than a one (1) inch difference in the height of the cabanes.
Many conversations and a few posts on this board have referred to the front cabane
being one inch higher than the rear. Moreover, I have measured a few at Brodhead
and elsewhere, and believe that they were all very close to a one inch
difference in height. Mine is 1 inch taller.
A discussion of alternative and benefits may be warranted, but let's agree on the
original benchmark. Let me know if I am wrong.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 1, 2010 6:52 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence
>
>
>I'm building a 612 wing and have just started doing the ribs with the spars perpendicular
to the chord line. You are correct that the front spar is lower than
the original but if the chord line is kept at the same angle of incidence
with respect to the fuselage as the original airfoil, then (I think) it should
be close.
>
>I seem to remember somewhere that a 5 degree angle of incidence is a good place
to start. My rusty math skills (and a real calculator) indicate that a 1 inch
change on the cabanes gives about 2 degrees change on the angle of incidence
so the original plans recommendation of 2 inches (IIRC) difference makes mathematical
sense and approximates the 5 degree wag.
>
>Since it'll be a couple of years before my airplane flies, I'll be interested
to see what happens with others.
>
>Dave Aldrich
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288846#288846
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Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! |
Hi Tim
Hey, at least our math is the same!!! Can't say the same for my memory. I could
have saved the aggravation by walking out to the garage but noooooooooo, it
had to be from dim memory. At least someone is reading.
I agree that we need to start from known benchmarks and 1 inch/2 degrees sounds
like it would work.
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
How about putting a snowflake on it?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 5:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol logo
Mike; I believe your logo would be exclusionary and would discriminate
against the Grega GN-1 Aircamper builders/pilots/enthusiasts out there. In
the interest of political correctness I suggest that you rework the logo to
include everyone.
Maybe if you used Cub wings on it... ;o) Just kidding, of course.
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: economy dimpletape |
Shad,
On a serious note, how close does it look to the expensive stuff?
On a lighter note, you can always "coat it after it is done" with drywall mud ;)
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 1, 2010 7:03 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: economy dimpletape
>
>
>
>Group, I have some mocck up dimple tape on the prop now. I sliced down some of
the do-it-yourselfer's adheasive perferated drywall tape. It is the stuff with
all the little round holes in it, and its a 50ft roll, 2 inches wide and about
$5 worth would probably do every pietenpol that is flying. I might try this
stuff and se how it works, just have to use some CA (model airplane super
glue) glue to hold it on, and coat it after it is done because it is just a heavy
paper. Just have to be careful not to fill in all the holes with varnish.
>
>Shad
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol logo |
Mike,
It looks great, nice work! Could you share a digital version?
Thanks,
DSM
Douwe.
Here is the logo I'm going to put on the side of my plane. It's a modified
version of the other logo that was posted and then I added some wings. The
picture is of a sticker I made to see how I liked it ( and I've made a few
minor modifications since that sticker). I made the sticker out of some
vinyl scraps I had, so it's not the colors I will be doing when I make it
for my plane but it gives you the idea.
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 12:42:11 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol logo
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Gary,
Fair enough. I've bought several of my own designs, and few from other
people, and it seems like the simple, one color stuff looks better than
the multi-color printing. I have a Sigg bottle that is PERFECT, but the
printing isn't dishwasher safe. I have a couple of T-shirts that look
great (one or two colors), but the ones I did my wife's business looked
faded right out of the "box" (multi-color, like a picture). I've also
done stickers and magnets, and those normally look pretty good.
Screen printing tends to look more vibrant and cleaner, in my opinion
(and that's all that it is... Just an opinion). :)
-Wayne
Gary Boothe wrote:
>
> Wayne,
>
> I have to stick up for Cafepress, here. Maybe its cuzz I dont have
> a discriminating eye, but I sent the link out to my family who were
> looking for birthday and Christmas ideas for me. They bought so many
> shirts and sweatshirts that John Hoffman scrapped his low & slow
> Pietenpol, and is looking for a Glasair or Legacyat least thats what
> someone told me. I love my Pietenpol stuff.
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Wayne Bressler
> *Sent:* Monday, March 01, 2010 11:26 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cafepress
>
> I have not been as impressed with the quality of the direct printing
> offered by Cafepress. The colors just don't seem as sharp as I'd like.
> I almost have to wonder if silk screening wouldn't be better if you
> knew exactly how many to order. Prepaid, perhaps?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Do not archive
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> Wayne Bressler Jr.
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Subject: | Re: economy dimpletape |
You can get some vinyl dimple tape from a good quality sign shop.
Cheers,
Dan
On 03/01/2010 07:03 PM, shad bell wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell<aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
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>
> Group, I have some mocck up dimple tape on the prop now. I sliced down some
of the do-it-yourselfer's adheasive perferated drywall tape. It is the stuff
with all the little round holes in it, and its a 50ft roll, 2 inches wide and
about $5 worth would probably do every pietenpol that is flying. I might try
this stuff and se how it works, just have to use some CA (model airplane super
glue) glue to hold it on, and coat it after it is done because it is just a heavy
paper. Just have to be careful not to fill in all the holes with varnish.
>
> Shad
>
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence |
Dave,
I think you're remembering that the zero lift angle for the FC-10 is -5
degrees. The Riblett zero lift AoI is -3.9 degrees. This is all from
the discussion here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226498#226498
Pieti said he kept the Riblett AoI to be 2 degrees, the same as what he
had for the FC-10 wing.
Did you guys build the AoI into the ribs or keep it at 90 degrees to the
chord?
Thanks,
Dan
On 03/01/2010 06:52 PM, dgaldrich wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dgaldrich"<dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> I'm building a 612 wing and have just started doing the ribs with the spars perpendicular
to the chord line. You are correct that the front spar is lower
than the original but if the chord line is kept at the same angle of incidence
with respect to the fuselage as the original airfoil, then (I think) it should
be close.
>
> I seem to remember somewhere that a 5 degree angle of incidence is a good place
to start. My rusty math skills (and a real calculator) indicate that a 1 inch
change on the cabanes gives about 2 degrees change on the angle of incidence
so the original plans recommendation of 2 inches (IIRC) difference makes mathematical
sense and approximates the 5 degree wag.
>
> Since it'll be a couple of years before my airplane flies, I'll be interested
to see what happens with others.
>
> Dave Aldrich
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288846#288846
>
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
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here is a great story about P-51's and their pilots but it does have a nice Piet
pic at the bottom so you might want to look. there are some other great shots
as well.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/off-topic/2400756-oshkosh-2009-wwii-pilot-reunited-with-his-airplane.html
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Greetings all,
if there is enough interest I will burn the screens, and print the Tee
shirt/coveralls,
Jake
"Jack" <jack@textors.com>
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Douwe,
This is all I have, not sure who to credit with the design
Jack
DSM
Does anybody have a good quality Pietenpol logo in jpeg or something
similar?
I want to have some old-fashioned white mechanics coveralls silscreened
with
a cool logo on the back. I found a neat old mobilgas logo, but then got
to
thinking about the classic Pietenpol signature.
Douwe
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Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
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Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "pietenpol-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Pietenpol-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Pietenpol-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Pietenpol-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Pietenpol-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Pietenpol-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Pietenpol-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Pietenpol
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
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- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
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about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
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- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
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- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
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contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
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will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
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should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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