Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 03/02/10


Total Messages Posted: 37



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     1. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! (Tim Willis)
     2. 05:05 AM - Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (John Franklin)
     3. 05:22 AM - Re: Markle Mania 2010 final results (ALAN LYSCARS)
     4. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! (Michael Perez)
     5. 06:52 AM - Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (David Paule)
     6. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (Ken Howe)
     7. 06:59 AM - Re: economy dimpletape (shad bell)
     8. 06:59 AM - Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (Pieti Lowell)
     9. 07:07 AM - Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! (Pieti Lowell)
    10. 07:16 AM - logos, coveralls etc. (Douwe Blumberg)
    11. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence (Dan Yocum)
    12. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Cafepress (John Hofmann)
    13. 08:45 AM - A Piet is a Piet (Lawrence Williams)
    14. 08:57 AM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Steve Ruse)
    15. 09:03 AM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Ozarkflyer)
    16. 09:23 AM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Dan Yocum)
    17. 09:44 AM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Gene Rambo)
    18. 09:53 AM - the vintage coverall project (Douwe Blumberg)
    19. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! (Tim Willis)
    20. 10:14 AM - Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (Jim Markle)
    21. 10:21 AM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Jeff Boatright)
    22. 10:22 AM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Jeff Boatright)
    23. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Cafepress (Wayne Bressler)
    24. 10:38 AM - Re: economy dimpletape (Tim Willis)
    25. 10:38 AM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Dan Yocum)
    26. 10:44 AM - SR71 vs Jenny (Gary Boothe)
    27. 11:12 AM - Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (Tim Willis)
    28. 03:16 PM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Rick Holland)
    29. 03:42 PM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Gene & Tammy)
    30. 03:43 PM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Rick Holland)
    31. 03:58 PM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Roman Bukolt)
    32. 04:14 PM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    33. 06:54 PM - Re: Sun n Fun (Dick N)
    34. 07:03 PM - Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (Jim Markle)
    35. 07:32 PM - Re: A Piet is a Piet (Pieti Lowell)
    36. 09:35 PM - Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (David Paule)
    37. 09:35 PM - Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller (Max Hegler)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:05:02 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO
    DEGREES!!! No aggravation, Dave. I checked the dimensions one last time before I cut. I like the 612. Good luck with your project. Tim do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> >Sent: Mar 1, 2010 8:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! > > >Hi Tim > >Hey, at least our math is the same!!! Can't say the same for my memory. I could have saved the aggravation by walking out to the garage but noooooooooo, it had to be from dim memory. At least someone is reading. > >I agree that we need to start from known benchmarks and 1 inch/2 degrees sounds like it would work. > >Dave > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288855#288855 > >


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    Time: 05:05:36 AM PST US
    From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
    Subject: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
    This is forwarded from the Corvaircraft Forum in regards to dimpletape... John F. Richmond, TX -----Forwarded Message----- >From: WilliamTCA@aol.com >Sent: Mar 1, 2010 11:37 PM >To: corvaircraft@mylist.net >Subject: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller > >John, > >This product generated a lot of interest about 15 years ago. If you look at > the article they reference on the webpage, it is dated from 1998. At the >time many of my friends and I did a lot of work on Lancair aircraft. The >people who owned them would gladly sell their children into slavery or science >experiments if it would make their Lancair 320/360/IVP go 15 knots faster. >We were friends with Don Goetz, the main Lancair salesman and test pilot. >His plane had the tape on it, which initially drew my interest. However, it >turned out that Don had a 'dealership' for the tape and would gladly sell >you some of the very high priced rolls right after he got done with his >glowing testimonial. > >If you look at the site, note that it says that F-18s have dimples, not >Dimple tape. If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is corrugated. >However, putting 1/4" deep corrugations in the underside of a set of KR wings >would probably not get the airframe substantially closer to mach 3. > >in 1998 I worked for a year to modify our Pietenpol after the "Church >parking lot incident." >In the interest of increasing speed we; > >1) Switched from 8.00x4 cub tires to 6x6s with half the cross section. > >2) Changed from a cowl resembling a garbage can to one that looked like a >streamlined can > >3) Installed an 11" spinner > >4) Sank the seats down 4" to bring the pilots and passengers shoulders into > the plane. > >5) Did enough engine mods that it actually raised the static rpm to 2850 >from 2475 > >6) Installed a 68" Warp drive prop in place of 64" wood that should have >had a clock in it. > >7) Made new windshields that were half the height, and angled back twice as > much. > >8) Made a new motor mount to take out all the down thrust and raise the >thrust 4" > >9) Made new gear that discarded the J-3 bungee bags in favor of 2" die >springs. > >10) Made a new exhaust system to eliminate the plume from the straight >pipes. > >11) Made a folding wing hatch to eliminate scallop in trailing edge above >pilots head. > >Numbers 1 through 11 netted a total of 24 mph. #5 and 6 made most of the >difference. Had I only believed in Dimple tape, I could have saved a lot of >work by putting 3 or 4 rolls of it on the Pietenpol. Might have taken an >hour vs the year I spent in the shop. Shows what a luddite I am. You can't >teach monkeys anything. > >On the cases where it actually makes some measurable difference when >applied to a prop, consider two points. First, I would like to know what the >measured Rate of Climb difference is, because a small change in static doesn't >mean much in flight. Second, I think much of the prop benefit was because >some of the props it was applied to were very thick, poor performers. I >would be willing to bet it wouldn't make a measurable difference on a thin prop >like a Warp Drive. This point is comparable to some 1980s and 1990s fast >homebuilts that used to 'reflex' the flaps to minus 5 degrees and speed up >a little. This actually worked on some planes, but all it really indicated >was that the airfoil on the plane had too much camber for the cruise speed >of the plane. It was a band aid. > >Thank you. > >John, Please forward this back to the Pietenpol forum, as I would rather >not see a bunch of very good looking aircampers with dotted tape all over >them at the next Brodhead. > > >William Wynne >5000-18 HWY 17 #247 >Orange Park, FL 32003 >_http://FlyCorvair.com/hangar.html_ (http://flycorvair.com/hangar.html) >_http://ZenVair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com/) >_________________________________________________________ >search the CorvAircraft archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/corvairsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from CorvAircraft, send a message to CorvAircraft-leave@mylist.net >Other CorvAircraft list info is at http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html ________________________________________


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    Time: 05:22:01 AM PST US
    From: "ALAN LYSCARS" <alyscars@myfairpoint.net>
    Subject: Re: Markle Mania 2010 final results
    Ryan.. Thanks so much for facilitating (I DO hate this verb) the effort. JM wanted to visit me and my project last summer; alas, I was to be at OSH so could not accommodate him. I see my small contribution to Mania as an act of penance and, hopefully, goodwill. In an age of Feds throwing Billions to Bailouts, I'm warmly reminded of what it must have been like for Our Pioneers to have lent an ox or two to a neighbor in Spring in return for a larder full of summer corn in Fall. Just born too late, I guess. God Speed and Blue Skies to us all, Al ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: Pietenpol List Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 11:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle Mania 2010 final results Good evening everyone, We are emailing this evening to distribute the final update regarding Markle Mania 2010, the effort to help Jim Markle keep his Pietenpol project. We have received 73 generous donations out of 78 that were pledged, for a grand total of $6490.50. No further donations have arrived in the past few weeks, so I think it is safe to say that we can draw this to a close. /snipped


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    Time: 05:48:55 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO
    DEGREES!!! My prints show 2 degrees. They also show a 1" length difference between the front and back cabanes.


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    Time: 06:52:03 AM PST US
    From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
    This was primarily for thermal expansion and secondarily for stiffness. It had nothing to do with the transition to turbulent flow, as the SR-71 operated at a very high Reynolds Number, even at "low" speeds. David Paule >> If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is corrugated.


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    Time: 06:59:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence
    From: Ken Howe <ken@cooper-mtn.com>
    This is how I'm doing my ribs: Spars are perpendicular to the chord line. The lower surface of the Riblett 612 at the front spar location is quite a bit below the read spar location, so I've built a spacer into the truss. The standard 4 3/4" high spar will sit on top of the spacer and just fit to the top capstrip. If I remember correctly (don't have my notes here at work) the front spar still sits slightly lower than the rear with respective to their positions in the FC10 section. When it comes time to mount the wing I'll do the math to put the wing at the right angle so that when the wing is at cruise AOA the fuselage will be level. That's the great thing about building a Pietenpol, you can leave those decisions until you have to make them. --Ken On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:18:56 -0600, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote: > > Dave, > > I think you're remembering that the zero lift angle for the FC-10 is -5 > degrees. The Riblett zero lift AoI is -3.9 degrees. This is all from > the discussion here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226498#226498 > > Pieti said he kept the Riblett AoI to be 2 degrees, the same as what he > had for the FC-10 wing. > > Did you guys build the AoI into the ribs or keep it at 90 degrees to the > chord? > > Thanks, > Dan > > > On 03/01/2010 06:52 PM, dgaldrich wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: >> "dgaldrich"<dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> >> >> I'm building a 612 wing and have just started doing the ribs with the >> spars perpendicular to the chord line. You are correct that the front >> spar is lower than the original but if the chord line is kept at the same >> angle of incidence with respect to the fuselage as the original airfoil, >> then (I think) it should be close. >> >> I seem to remember somewhere that a 5 degree angle of incidence is a >> good place to start. My rusty math skills (and a real calculator) >> indicate that a 1 inch change on the cabanes gives about 2 degrees change >> on the angle of incidence so the original plans recommendation of 2 >> inches (IIRC) difference makes mathematical sense and approximates the 5 >> degree wag. >> >> Since it'll be a couple of years before my airplane flies, I'll be >> interested to see what happens with others. >> >> Dave Aldrich >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288846#288846 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>


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    Time: 06:59:19 AM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: economy dimpletape
    Tim, It is just a med-heavy paper adheasive tape, with 1/8 inch holes in it. They carry it at your local Home Depot, or Lowes. It is not actually dimpled, it has holes, but it would probably have the same effect. I might try a sign shop for some vinal tape as Jeff suggested. I'm not expecting a drastic increase in performance, or economy, just a little. It also just gives us something to experiment with for some thing to do. The perferated drywall tape, by the way, is an easy way to get acceptable results on your drywall projects, I can frame, but I hate drywall, and the sticky back tape makes it a little eaiser. Shad


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    Time: 06:59:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Dan. I tried to build the 612 the same as the FC 10 per the drawings. 90 deg. with a spacer T88ed to the top of the spar to rib. Harold R. suggested I use a 1 deg angle of incidence for best performance. I would just make the change in the cabane height. to achieve the 1 Deg. Keep in mind that my wings are clipped 2 Ft, much like a clipped wing 4412 on an earlier Piet that performed great but much faster on landing speed. I am sure you will be satisfied with the glide using the 612, approaches the J3. Pieti Lowell I watched the videos Jeff B. put on Youtube of your talk at Brodhead last year. You mentioned that you kept your AoI of 2 degrees from the FC-10 and that you'd probably like to see it at 1 degree or less because at flat out cruise you've got to apply a significant (30-40lbs) amount of forward pressure on the stick. The question I have is this: did you build the angle of incidence into the spar orientation in the ribs or did you keep the spars at a 90 degree angle to the wing chord? Also, looking at the Riblett 612, I see that if you keep the front spar the same distance from the leading edge as the FC1-1, 6 inches, that dictates that the front spar and the rear spar will not be aligned, vertically - the front spar must be shifted down an inch or so to fit in the rib with respect to the aft spar. How did you address this? Did you even worry about it? Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."[/quote] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288909#288909


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    Time: 07:07:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!!
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Tim The 1 inch is correct but if you go 612 use 1/2 inch to get 1 Deg. Pieti Lowell My prints show 2 degrees. They also show a 1" length difference between the front and back cabanes. [/quote] > [b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288912#288912


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    Time: 07:16:57 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: logos, coveralls etc.
    Hey Don, Great minds think alike eh? I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" that used to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He directed me to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old cotton coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come in many colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly have that thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending me stuff too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The important thing to me is to get something that really looks old. Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens (thanks Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it embroidered, but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way overkill. Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and anybody else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get something done before flying season. Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net


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    Time: 08:09:07 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence
    Thank you, sir. I'm just trying to think ahead a bit. If I can keep a true parallelogram between the front and rear cabanes, rib and top longeron, then there shouldn't be too much trouble shifting the wing back and forth to adjust for proper CG location. Well, I'll be a son-of-a-gun! If you placed the spar at the bottom of the ribs, and built your cabanes exactly the same height, that would build in a 1"3/32 difference between the front and rear cabanes, which, of course, makes an AoI of 2.16 degrees. Furthermore, and this is the beautiful part, shifting the wing back and forth wouldn't change the angle of incidence. Lowell, if you didn't re-adjust your cabane lengths and kept a shorter one in the back, you might actually have a 4 degree angle of incidence. Maybe I'm doing my geometry wrong... it's been known to happen. Ok, enough dithering, hypothesizing, and pontificating. Time to get to work. Thanks again, Dan On 03/02/2010 08:58 AM, Pieti Lowell wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Pieti Lowell"<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> > > Dan. > I tried to build the 612 the same as the FC 10 per the drawings. 90 deg. with a spacer T88ed to the top of the spar to rib. Harold R. suggested I use a 1 deg angle of incidence for best performance. I would just make the change in the cabane height. to achieve the 1 Deg. Keep in mind that my wings are clipped 2 Ft, much like a clipped wing 4412 on an earlier Piet that performed great but much faster on landing speed. I am sure you will be satisfied with the glide using the 612, approaches the J3. > Pieti Lowell > > I watched the videos Jeff B. put on Youtube of your talk at Brodhead > last year. You mentioned that you kept your AoI of 2 degrees from the > FC-10 and that you'd probably like to see it at 1 degree or less because > at flat out cruise you've got to apply a significant (30-40lbs) amount > of forward pressure on the stick. > > The question I have is this: did you build the angle of incidence into > the spar orientation in the ribs or did you keep the spars at a 90 > degree angle to the wing chord? > > Also, looking at the Riblett 612, I see that if you keep the front spar > the same distance from the leading edge as the FC1-1, 6 inches, that > dictates that the front spar and the rear spar will not be aligned, > vertically - the front spar must be shifted down an inch or so to fit in > the rib with respect to the aft spar. How did you address this? Did > you even worry about it? > > Thanks, > Dan > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 08:44:35 AM PST US
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    Subject: Re: Cafepress
    I have actually been in the "snotworks" working on my retractable gear for the Cub. I am looking at hand crank version similar to what was used in the F3F/F4F. Just 237 simple turns of the crank and I will never be passed by a Pietenpol again! If I slant my N-numbers it should be faster as well. But seriously folks, I have used CafePress for about seven years with pretty good results. The better your artwork in the input side, the better the output. I find a png file renders the best results. Wayne is right in that the colors are not always vibrant, but what I am doing does not require it and they are very durable, so I have been happy. That being said and always looking for improvement, I am experimenting with another online vendor on my next project. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 Madison, WI 53718 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Mar 1, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Wayne, > > I have to stick up for Cafepress, here. Maybe it=92s =91cuzz I don=92t have a discriminating eye, but I sent the link out to my family who were looking for birthday and Christmas ideas for me. They bought so many shirts and sweatshirts that John Hoffman scrapped his low & slow Pietenpol, and is looking for a Glasair or Legacy=85at least that=92s what someone told me. I love my Pietenpol stuff=85. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 18 ribs done > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:26 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cafepress > > I have not been as impressed with the quality of the direct printing offered by Cafepress. The colors just don't seem as sharp as I'd like. I almost have to wonder if silk screening wouldn't be better if you knew exactly how many to order. Prepaid, perhaps? > > Just a thought. > > Do not archive > > Wayne Bressler Jr. > Taildraggers, Inc. > taildraggersinc.com > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > >


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    Time: 08:45:08 AM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: A Piet is a Piet
    Saturday was a banner day for Pietenpoling in central AR. There was an EAA lunch at a far distant (12 miles) airport that I had decided to attend. The wx was a vicious gale (5-7 kts) but there were no clouds and the temp was a balmy 49 deg so, with the promise of cheap eats of the high cholesterol v ariety, off I went. With the conditions as they were I expected some bumps due to gusts but not much else as the terrain here is like unto a pancake. Boy, was I in for a surprise! About half way to my goal I started feeling little nibbles of lift. Then su ddenly I noticed the tail rise and my loosely held altitude of 1000' starte d going up at a rate that I had never before seen in my Piet. I put the nos e down and brought the mighty Ford back to idle but the climb continued. Si nce everything else was out of my ability to deal with, I decided to just r elax and see what was in store for me. Now this was not a head-knocking, co ntrol fighting struggle to stay upright, rather it was smooth and calm like an elevator. 3K came and went then 5K. Now, 5K was my all-time highest flight ever and a s discussed a few months ago, that's the altitude where things get kind of weird in a Piet. All of a sudden there is a voice in your head that whisper s, "You don't belong here", and the Piet seems to be too small and too deli cate to be that high. As all that was bouncing around in my brain I passed 6K then 7. Going through 8 thousand feet things got eerily quiet and I coul d see the curvature of the earth and stars were appearing in the blackness that was gathering around me. I think it was real but it could have been be cause I had my eyes closed for a while. Prayer Donica know. Well the lift subsided just as gently as it had come and I had a long,long, long glide to the luncheon airport but it was a crosswind to a paved runway and I just don't do that so I did a 180 and headed back home. Of course I took the great circle route around my earlier adventure. Now my Air Camper is about as stock as any one out there and it has served me well, even setting the absolute altitude record for Pietenpol aircraft i n Lonoke County. I've flown it to OSH twice, C37 often, flown with geese an d egrets and herons, had an unscheduled landing in a bean field, done touch -and-go's in farm fields all over the fruited plain and never ever felt lik e I wanted or needed a more powerful engine, different airfoil, pushrods, r adio, lights or any other thing more or less than what Mr. Pietenpol sugges ted. I do have a high performance (read high dollar) head that promised better f uel economy while delivering higher RPM, power, acceleration, smoother idle , etc. I don't think the engine or the airframe can tell any difference. As for adding dimple tape and VG's and other innovations for no apparent pu rpose, I'll take a pass. My simple, cheap, honest, easy-to-maintain and joy -to-fly Pietenpol Air Camper fulfills it's role perfectly. - Larry=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:57:51 AM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Re: logos, coveralls etc.
    Please post something to the list when you get a price and design worked out, I might be interested. Steve Ruse Norman, OK Quoting Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>: > <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Hey Don, > > Great minds think alike eh? > > I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" that used > to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He directed me > to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old cotton > coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden > buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come in many > colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. > > I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly have that > thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending me stuff > too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an > artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The important > thing to me is to get something that really looks old. > > Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens (thanks > Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay > fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it embroidered, > but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way overkill. > > Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and anybody > else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get something > done before flying season. > > Douwe > douweblumberg@earthlink.net > >


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    Time: 09:03:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    From: "Ozarkflyer" <lragan@hotmail.com>
    Larry I was indeed a beautiful day even in my rental 150 around Batesville/Mtn. View. Where was the EAA function? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288929#288929


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    Time: 09:23:26 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    On 03/02/2010 10:42 AM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > in my brain I passed 6K then 7. Going through 8 thousand feet things got > eerily quiet and I could see the curvature of the earth and stars were Wave lift in AR? Who knew! Sounds like a grand day. Here it's sunny, 36 degrees, winds aren't too high at 9mph, and my exhaust is off and sent out for replacement.... humph. > I do have a high performance (read high dollar) head that promised > better fuel economy while delivering higher RPM, power, acceleration, > smoother idle, etc. I don't think the engine or the airframe can tell > any difference. > As for adding dimple tape and VG's and other innovations for no apparent > purpose, I'll take a pass. My simple, cheap, honest, easy-to-maintain > and joy-to-fly Pietenpol Air Camper fulfills it's role perfectly. There are only 2 reasons I'm interested in the dimple tape - better climb rate and lower fuel consumption. If I can clear the trees/corn stalks by a bigger margin, that's a winner. If I can save 10% on gas, well, that's a nice bonus, too. All this talk about going 24mph faster in a Pietenpol... good grief, people! What on earth for?!?? -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 09:44:20 AM PST US
    From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: logos, coveralls etc.
    I'm in! Gene do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg<mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net> To: pietenpolgroup<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. <douweblumberg@earthlink.net<mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net>> Hey Don, Great minds think alike eh? I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" that used to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He directed me to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old cotton coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come in many colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly have that thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending me stuff too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The important thing to me is to get something that really looks old. Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens (thanks Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it embroidered, but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way overkill. Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and anybody else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get something done before flying season. Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net<mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 09:53:50 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: the vintage coverall project
    Hey guys (...and gals??) Some people are interested in getting some vintage coveralls with some kind of cool old logo silkscreened on the back. Anybody who is interested contact me offlist at douweblumberg@earthlink.net Right now I'm thinking that everybody can order their size and color and have them shipped to me. Then those who want vintage buttons added can have that done with mine. My friend will do the silkscreening. The old mobilgas logo I like is only two colors so that'll only cost $20 each and some more if you want your name on the front. If you want a different logo than what we all come up with it'll be more, especially if it's full color and you have to pay for the screen charge yourself. I think the coveralls are around $36 Let me know who is interested and I'll get you the details and we'll all figure out what logo suits us, or if we want to do more than one. Douwe


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    Time: 10:10:44 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO
    DEGREES!!! Thanks, Lowell and Dan. This has uncovered something in my own peculiar case. I have the BP FC10 airfoil with an added nose, but am still using the original 2 degree (1") difference. Thus with a different airfoil nose, I have a larger radius at the nose, resulting in a slightly different (higher) chord line, and will have more AoI than I thought with my application. I'll take a look. I can still change it if I need to. However, with an A65, lift and climb are more important to me than speed, so I am erring on the right side in my mind with more AoI, but I don't need more pitching moment, etc. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 9:06 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett 612 and angle of incidence--No, no, TWO DEGREES!!! > > >Tim >The 1 inch is correct but if you go 612 use 1/2 inch to get 1 Deg. >Pieti Lowell My prints show 2 degrees. They also show a 1" length difference between the front and back cabanes. >[/quote] >> [b] > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=288912#288912 > >


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    Time: 10:14:33 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
    Once lived next door to an Ex-SR71 pilot...he told me the difference between stall and Vne at altitude was something like 4 knots...not related to anything in this conversation but I thought that was VERY interesting. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: David Paule Sent: Mar 2, 2010 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller This was primarily for thermal expansion and secondarily for stiffness. It had nothing to do with the transition to turbulent flow, as the SR-71 operated at a very high Reynolds Number, even at "low" speeds. David Paule >> If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is corrugated.


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    Time: 10:21:05 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    > > >All this talk about going 24mph faster in a Pietenpol... good grief, >people! What on earth for?!?? > So I can finally get the jump on that d@mned Pitts!!! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 10:22:56 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    Very nice! Thanks for the essay. >Saturday was a banner day for Pietenpoling ... perfectly. > >Larry -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 10:23:19 AM PST US
    From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
    Subject: Re: Cafepress
    John, When you are done with your next project, please share your results and experiences with any other vendors. Cafepress is killing me with their pricing structure. :( Thanks, Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Mar 2, 2010, at 11:23 AM, John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com> wrote: > I have actually been in the "snotworks" working on my retractable > gear for the Cub. I am looking at hand crank version similar to what > was used in the F3F/F4F. Just 237 simple turns of the crank and I > will never be passed by a Pietenpol again! If I slant my N-numbers > it should be faster as well. > > But seriously folks, I have used CafePress for about seven years > with pretty good results. The better your artwork in the input side, > the better the output. I find a png file renders the best results. > Wayne is right in that the colors are not always vibrant, but what I > am doing does not require it and they are very durable, so I have > been happy. That being said and always looking for improvement, I am > experimenting with another online vendor on my next project. > > -john- > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800 > Madison, WI 53718 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On Mar 1, 2010, at 6:23 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> Wayne, >> >> I have to stick up for Cafepress, here. Maybe it=99s =98cuz z I >> don=99t have a discriminating eye, but I sent the link out to my fam >> ily who were looking for birthday and Christmas ideas for me. They >> bought so many shirts and sweatshirts that John Hoffman scrapped >> his low & slow Pietenpol, and is looking for a Glasair or Legacy a >> t least that=99s what someone told me. I love my Pietenpol stuff. >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, CA >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> 18 ribs done >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- >> pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:26 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cafepress >> >> I have not been as impressed with the quality of the direct >> printing offered by Cafepress. The colors just don't seem as sharp >> as I'd like. I almost have to wonder if silk screening wouldn't be >> better if you knew exactly how many to order. Prepaid, perhaps? >> >> Just a thought. >> >> Do not archive >> >> Wayne Bressler Jr. >> Taildraggers, Inc. >> taildraggersinc.com >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com >> style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> > >


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    Time: 10:38:06 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: economy dimpletape
    Shad, I was just pulling your leg on the drywall mud bit. I think your idea might work very well, and admire your ability to visualize that connection. For the natural permanence of the vinyl sign material, that might work better. I have never seen it, though. In fact, I have never used that particular adhesive dimpled paper tape with drywall, but have used the plain paper and the adhesive nylon tape. I love carpentry, but also hate doing drywall. If the adhesive perforated paper drywall tape works for this, we will have to rename it "plane paper." Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 8:58 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: economy dimpletape > > > >Tim, It is just a med-heavy paper adheasive tape, with 1/8 inch holes in it. They carry it at your local Home Depot, or Lowes. It is not actually dimpled, it has holes, but it would probably have the same effect. I might try a sign shop for some vinal tape as Jeff suggested. I'm not expecting a drastic increase in performance, or economy, just a little. It also just gives us something to experiment with for some thing to do. The perferated drywall tape, by the way, is an easy way to get acceptable results on your drywall projects, I can frame, but I hate drywall, and the sticky back tape makes it a little eaiser. > >Shad > > > > >


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    Time: 10:38:17 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    On 03/02/2010 12:14 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > >> >> >> All this talk about going 24mph faster in a Pietenpol... good grief, >> people! What on earth for?!?? >> > > > So I can finally get the jump on that d@mned Pitts!!! "You can beat him Waldo. With my monoplane!" do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 10:44:36 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: SR71 vs Jenny
    Jim, Interesting point...and something I once read about the Jenny, too! Conclusion: SR71 is no better than a Jenny... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller Once lived next door to an Ex-SR71 pilot...he told me the difference between stall and Vne at altitude was something like 4 knots...not related to anything in this conversation but I thought that was VERY interesting. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: David Paule Sent: Mar 2, 2010 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller This was primarily for thermal expansion and secondarily for stiffness. It had nothing to do with the transition to turbulent flow, as the SR-71 operated at a very high Reynolds Number, even at "low" speeds. David Paule >> If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is corrugated.


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    Time: 11:12:45 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
    Jim, Are you sure he was not talking about the U-2? Such a difference between cruising and stalling on a U-2. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 11:28 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller > > >Once lived next door to an Ex-SR71 pilot...he told me the difference between stall and Vne at altitude was something like 4 knots...not related to anything in this conversation but I thought that was VERY interesting. > >do not archive > >-----Original Message----- > >From: David Paule > >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 8:51 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller > > >This was primarily for thermal expansion and >secondarily for stiffness. It had nothing to do with the transition to turbulent >flow, as the SR-71 operated at a very high Reynolds Number, even at >"low" speeds. > >David Paule > > > > >> If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is >corrugated. > >


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    Time: 03:16:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: logos, coveralls etc.
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Also interested. Rick On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com> wrote: > > Please post something to the list when you get a price and design worked > out, I might be interested. > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > Quoting Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>: > >> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >> >> Hey Don, >> >> Great minds think alike eh? >> >> I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" that used >> to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He directed >> me >> to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old cotton >> coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden >> buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come in many >> colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. >> >> I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly have that >> thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending me >> stuff >> too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an >> artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The important >> thing to me is to get something that really looks old. >> >> Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens (thanks >> Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay >> fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it >> embroidered, >> but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way >> overkill. >> >> Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and anybody >> else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get something >> done before flying season. >> >> Douwe >> douweblumberg@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 03:42:24 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    Lawrence, Thanks for one of the best and enjoyable postings I've read in a long while. Next time you'd better carry oxygen with ya! Who knows what a Piet will really do? Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Williams To: Pietlist Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Piet is a Piet Saturday was a banner day for Pietenpoling in central AR. There was an EAA lunch at a far distant (12 miles) airport that I had decided to attend. The wx was a vicious gale (5-7 kts) but there were no clouds and the temp was a balmy 49 deg so, with the promise of cheap eats of the high cholesterol variety, off I went. With the conditions as they were I expected some bumps due to gusts but not much else as the terrain here is like unto a pancake. Boy, was I in for a surprise! About half way to my goal I started feeling little nibbles of lift. Then suddenly I noticed the tail rise and my loosely held altitude of 1000' started going up at a rate that I had never before seen in my Piet. I put the nose down and brought the mighty Ford back to idle but the climb continued. Since everything else was out of my ability to deal with, I decided to just relax and see what was in store for me. Now this was not a head-knocking, control fighting struggle to stay upright, rather it was smooth and calm like an elevator. 3K came and went then 5K. Now, 5K was my all-time highest flight ever and as discussed a few months ago, that's the altitude where things get kind of weird in a Piet. All of a sudden there is a voice in your head that whispers, "You don't belong here", and the Piet seems to be too small and too delicate to be that high. As all that was bouncing around in my brain I passed 6K then 7. Going through 8 thousand feet things got eerily quiet and I could see the curvature of the earth and stars were appearing in the blackness that was gathering around me. I think it was real but it could have been because I had my eyes closed for a while. Prayer Donica know. Well the lift subsided just as gently as it had come and I had a long,long,long glide to the luncheon airport but it was a crosswind to a paved runway and I just don't do that so I did a 180 and headed back home. Of course I took the great circle route around my earlier adventure. Now my Air Camper is about as stock as any one out there and it has served me well, even setting the absolute altitude record for Pietenpol aircraft in Lonoke County. I've flown it to OSH twice, C37 often, flown with geese and egrets and herons, had an unscheduled landing in a bean field, done touch-and-go's in farm fields all over the fruited plain and never ever felt like I wanted or needed a more powerful engine, different airfoil, pushrods, radio, lights or any other thing more or less than what Mr. Pietenpol suggested. I do have a high performance (read high dollar) head that promised better fuel economy while delivering higher RPM, power, acceleration, smoother idle, etc. I don't think the engine or the airframe can tell any difference. As for adding dimple tape and VG's and other innovations for no apparent purpose, I'll take a pass. My simple, cheap, honest, easy-to-maintain and joy-to-fly Pietenpol Air Camper fulfills it's role perfectly. Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/02/10 07:34:00


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    Time: 03:43:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    | Going through 8 thousand feet things got eerily quiet and I could see the curvature | of the earth and stars were appearing in the blackness that was gathering around | | me. Larry, I think you were in the Twilight Zone in your Piet at 8k ft. I lived at 8k ft. in CO for 11 years and never saw stars during the daylight hours (except for that big one at the center of the solar system). Rick > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 03:58:28 PM PST US
    From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: logos, coveralls etc.
    I'm interested, Roman Bukolt NX20795 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > > > Hey Don, > > Great minds think alike eh? > > I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" > that used > to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He > directed me > to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old > cotton > coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden > buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come > in many > colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. > > I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly > have that > thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending > me stuff > too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an > artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The > important > thing to me is to get something that really looks old. > > Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens > (thanks > Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay > fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it > embroidered, > but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way > overkill. > > Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and > anybody > else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get > something > done before flying season. > > Douwe > douweblumberg@earthlink.net > >


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    Time: 04:14:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: logos, coveralls etc.
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    I'm in, too. Gary Boothe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. I'm interested, Roman Bukolt NX20795 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > > > Hey Don, > > Great minds think alike eh? > > I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" > that used > to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He > directed me > to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old > cotton > coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden > buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come > in many > colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. > > I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly > have that > thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending > me stuff > too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an > artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The > important > thing to me is to get something that really looks old. > > Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens > (thanks > Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay > fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it > embroidered, > but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way > overkill. > > Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and > anybody > else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get > something > done before flying season. > > Douwe > douweblumberg@earthlink.net > >


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    Time: 06:54:31 PM PST US
    From: "Dick N" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun n Fun
    Hi Greg A rudder would be fine. Let me know. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg menoche" <gnwac@earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun > > Dick, any chance of a rudder. Greg Menoche here in DE working on ribs. > It would be a great feeling to know that members at S&F had a part in the > completion of my one day Piet? Thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick N > Sent: Feb 24, 2010 11:48 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun n Fun > > > I just finished watching the morning news and it looks like you east > coasters are going to be getting another snow storm. Time to start > packing up and heading for Lakeland, Fl. for Sun and Fun. I have been > told that our Wood work Shop will be back in the indoors where it was 2 > years ago. For all who are not familiar, that workshop is kind of the 2nd > home of Pietenpol after Brodhead. If anybody needs anything built for a > Pietenpol contact me directly we can do it. Projects on hand for this > year are a prop for Gardiner Mason and if no other projects come around a > fuselage for me and maybe a tail section also. These will be for my new > Sky Scout. > Dick N. > > >


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    Time: 07:03:03 PM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
    Am I sure he was not talking about the U-2???? Nope, I'm not sure at all! As good as MY memory is, maybe he was talking about the Jenny! :-) I think it was the SR71....but who knows..... :-) do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 1:10 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller > > >Jim, >Are you sure he was not talking about the U-2? Such a difference between cruising and stalling on a U-2. >Tim in central TX >do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> >>Sent: Mar 2, 2010 11:28 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller >> >> >>Once lived next door to an Ex-SR71 pilot...he told me the difference between stall and Vne at altitude was something like 4 knots...not related to anything in this conversation but I thought that was VERY interesting. >> >>do not archive >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: David Paule >> >>Sent: Mar 2, 2010 8:51 AM >> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>This was primarily for thermal expansion and >>secondarily for stiffness. It had nothing to do with the transition to turbulent >>flow, as the SR-71 operated at a very high Reynolds Number, even at >>"low" speeds. >> >>David Paule >> >> >> >> >> If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is >>corrugated. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:32:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A Piet is a Piet
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Larry: One must breath the exhaust of a Ford to have such a flight, A cure would be, try looking off to the right in place of the left for the first 20 minutes after take off. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289009#289009


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    Time: 09:35:10 PM PST US
    From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
    Subject: Re: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
    Many years ago I had a chance to read through the SR-71 pilot's manual. The one thing that I remembered was that it got its best MPG at the highest and fastest it could go. I think it was way above Mach 3, and it was something like 80,000 feet. Just mind-boggling numbers. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Am I sure he was not talking about the U-2???? Nope, I'm not sure at all! As good as MY memory is, maybe he was talking about the Jenny! :-) I think it was the SR71....but who knows..... :-) do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> >Sent: Mar 2, 2010 1:10 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller > <timothywillis@earthlink.net> > >Jim, >Are you sure he was not talking about the U-2? Such a difference between cruising and stalling on a U-2. >Tim in central TX >do not archive > > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> >>Sent: Mar 2, 2010 11:28 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller >> <jim_markle@mindspring.com> >> >>Once lived next door to an Ex-SR71 pilot...he told me the difference between stall and Vne at altitude was something like 4 knots...not related to anything in this conversation but I thought that was VERY interesting. >> >>do not archive >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: David Paule >> >>Sent: Mar 2, 2010 8:51 AM >> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller >> >> >> >>=EF=BB >> >> >> >> >> >> >>This was primarily for thermal expansion and >>secondarily for stiffness. It had nothing to do with the transition to turbulent >>flow, as the SR-71 operated at a very high Reynolds Number, even at >>"low" speeds. >> >>David Paule >> >> >> >> >> If you look at the underside of an SR-71, it is >>corrugated. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 09:35:10 PM PST US
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    Subject: Fw: CorvAircraft> Dimpletape on a propeller
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