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1. 04:47 AM - "Wave" lift in Wisconsin (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin (Jim Ash)
3. 05:36 AM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Michael Perez)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin (Michael Perez)
5. 05:48 AM - Small steps reaches small mile stone (Michael Perez)
6. 06:47 AM - good books (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 07:01 AM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Mike King)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: good books (David Paule)
9. 08:18 AM - Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! (Bill Church)
10. 08:41 AM - coveralls and pith helmets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
11. 08:46 AM - e-mail question (TOM STINEMETZE)
12. 08:51 AM - Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! (taildrags)
13. 09:05 AM - Re: e-mail question (Michael Perez)
14. 09:23 AM - Re: e-mail question (TOM STINEMETZE)
15. 09:23 AM - Re: good books (Rick Holland)
16. 09:33 AM - Re: Small steps reaches small mile stone (Rick Holland)
17. 09:36 AM - Re: good books (Gene & Tammy)
18. 10:04 AM - Re: e-mail question (Michael Perez)
19. 10:10 AM - Re: good books (Dan Yocum)
20. 10:20 AM - Re: e-mail question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
21. 11:36 AM - Re: e-mail question (taildrags)
22. 11:43 AM - Re: e-mail question (TOM STINEMETZE)
23. 12:02 PM - Re: e-mail question (Bill Church)
24. 01:19 PM - Re: e-mail question (Michael Perez)
25. 01:22 PM - Top vert.cable fitting. (Michael Perez)
26. 01:37 PM - Re: e-mail question (taildrags)
27. 01:40 PM - Re: Top vert.cable fitting. (taildrags)
28. 01:45 PM - Gear Springs (Jack T. Textor)
29. 01:45 PM - vertical stabilizer fitting location (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
30. 02:03 PM - Re: good books (Paul N. Peckham)
31. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Top vert.cable fitting. (Michael Perez)
32. 03:01 PM - Re: vertical stabilizer fitting location (Michael Perez)
33. 04:00 PM - Re: good books (Pieti Lowell)
34. 04:54 PM - Good books (helspersew@aol.com)
35. 05:25 PM - Re: Good books (Mike)
36. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: good books (Jeff Boatright)
37. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: good books (David Paule)
38. 07:18 PM - Just Hello (VanDy)
39. 07:42 PM - Re: Just Hello (Pieti Lowell)
40. 07:59 PM - Re: Just Hello (VanDy)
41. 08:17 PM - Re: e-mail question (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | "Wave" lift in Wisconsin |
Hi Guys,
This reminds me of a flight I made in central Wisconsin back in about 1997
. It was mid-summer, and there was plenty of moisture and heat in the atmo
sphere. I left C-77 headed north for Eagle River. The wx was supposed to
be good, but half way there I could see a perfectly defined squall line
coming up in front of me blocking my path. It would have taken me about
50 miles out of my way to get around it. Then I saw a real nice clear pat
hway right through the middle of it. I could see perfectly through to the
other side so decided to slip right through. How do you spell S-T-U-P-I-D
? Everything was fine at first, then the updraft hit me. I began throttlin
g back as I went UP UP UP at an alarming rate. Then the severe turbulence
(for me) almost ripped my wings off. I just kept going because I could se
e it wasn't much farther and I would be out of it. It only lasted about 60
seconds but it was the wildest ride I was ever on. Had to wipe the huge
beads of sweat off my brow after that one!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:37 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a Piet is a Piet
Ok, Ok. Go get your "grain of salt" pills and re read my epic adventure.
Also keep the pills handy whenever you see one of my infrequent posts.
As for Vne vs. stall speed, it ain't uncommon at all. One of our Canadair
RJ's was leveling out at about
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| Subject: | Re: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin |
I've said many times I've learned a lot more from experience than brains.
... sounds like you sometimes fly on the same heading.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Mar 4, 2010 7:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin
Hi Guys,
This reminds me of a flight I made in central Wisconsin back in about 1997. It
was mid-summer, and there was plenty of moisture and heat in the atmosphere. I
left C-77 headed north for Eagle River. The wx was supposed to be good, but half
way there I could see a perfectly defined squall line coming up in front of
me blocking my path. It would have taken me about 50 miles out of my way to
get around it. Then I saw a real nice clear pathway right through the middle of
it. I could see perfectly through to the other side so decided to slip right
through. How do you spell S-T-U-P-I-D? Everything was fine at first, then the
updraft hit me. I began throttling back as I went UP UP UP at an alarming rate.
Then the severe turbulence (for me) almost ripped my wings off. I just kept
going because I could see it wasn't much farther and I would be out of it. It
only lasted about 60 seconds but it was the wildest ride I was ever on. Had
to wipe the huge beads of sweat off my brow after tha
t one!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:37 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a Piet is a Piet
Ok, Ok. Go get your "grain of salt" pills and re read my epic adventure. Also keep
the pills handy whenever you see one of my infrequent posts.
As for Vne vs. stall speed, it ain't uncommon at all. One of our Canadair RJ's
was leveling out at about
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| Subject: | Re: logos, coveralls etc. |
I agree here as well. You do not need permission on how to build, paint, de
cal, modify or tweak your plane bro! It may bother some, but in the end it
is yours to do what you want.
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| Subject: | Re: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin |
"Then the severe- turbulence (for me) almost ripped my wings off."
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That sounds severe for all of us, I believe!
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| Subject: | Small steps reaches small mile stone |
It was nice when I made the change, (temporarily) from working with all woo
d to some steel and welding.- Then it became obvious that I need to trans
ition over to some cable work.- Over the past couple days, I have made 6
out of the 8 tail brace cables. I read the swager manual, set up the machin
e and got to it. Very satisfying to be doing some rigging now! Of course it
is all temporary as it will all have to come back apart, but it feels like
I have made it to another small mile stone.- What took the longest for m
e was getting the angle of the steel fittings on the tail bent so the angle
would line up straight with the fork end and cable. The swaging itself is
cake.
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No big deal to those who have been there, all new and fun for me, so I thou
ght I would share.
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Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71
subject lines away and consider books. I can
highly recommend two:
"Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and
Leo Janos.
"Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At
Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos.
Both are very, very interesting reading for a
pilot or experimenter.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: logos, coveralls etc. |
Thanks Jeff and others who responded.
I would like to order a set or two (different colors) of the coveralls and a logo
when available.
There is a Piet.....complete with Ford engine and Air Camper logo.... at nearby
Rockport Airport.
It is a beautiful plane and we plan on flying around South Texas and along the
Gulf Coast
beachline soon.
Thanks again guys....
Mike King
77MK
GN-1
Corpus Christi, Texas
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From: Jeff Boatright
Sent: Mar 3, 2010 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc.
Mike,
I admire your desire to be sensitive to other's view of the world. And before I
unload, let me say that I welcome the Piet logo on your GN-1. I agree with your
reasoning: Bernard->Grega->Mike. But...
Heck, Mike Cuy has an EASTERN (who's zoomin' who?) AIRLINES logo on his Pietenpol.
D'ya think Frank Borman gave Mike permission to do that? Heck NO! Frank
Borman only WISHES he was as cool and with it as Mike Cuy. And by extension, the
rest of us on this h'yar list.
Order away!
Jeff
Hey Guys,
The Piet logos are very nice and I am sure the talent on this list will
offer a great logo for clothing and the plane alike.
My question is: Since we have both Piet and GN-1 builders and pilots
on this list, would the Piet logo be welcomed on the GN-1? This was
Bernard's design and concept and John Grega came along later with
his revisions to the same concept.
If both parties are in agreement, then I would like to order a coverall
and logo for my GN-1.
Thanks.
Mike King
77Mk
GN-1
Corpus Christi, Texas
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From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc.
I'm in, too.
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From: Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc.
I'm interested,
Roman Bukolt NX20795
On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> >
>
> Hey Don,
>
> Great minds think alike eh?
>
> I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626"
> that used
> to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He
> directed me
> to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old
> cotton
> coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden
> buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come
> in many
> colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great.
>
> I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly
> have that
> thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending
> me stuff
> too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an
> artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The
> important
> thing to me is to get something that really looks old.
>
> Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens
> (thanks
> Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay
> fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it
> embroidered,
> but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way
> overkill.
>
> Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and
> anybody
> else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get
> something
> done before flying season.
>
> Douwe
> douweblumberg@earthlink.net
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Here's a good list of aviation books....
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11441&highlight=books
David Paule
Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71
subject lines away and consider books. I can
highly recommend two:
"Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and
Leo Janos.
"Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At
Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos.
Both are very, very interesting reading for a
pilot or experimenter.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! |
Wonder how the coveralls would look with a pith helmet?
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289204#289204
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| Subject: | coveralls and pith helmets |
Bill-- you might be onto making a GREAT fashion statement if we could get some
logo
coveralls and a logo Pith helmet !
Would it be wrong to wear high black dress socks with the coverall legs tucked
in the socks and sandals for footwear ?
Nothing would say Brodhead like that outfit.....now if I could only work some
suspenders and plaid fabric in there.....and a camera slung around my neck with
a 18" lens sticking out...
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Fellow listers:
I have noticed that lately any messages I send to the list do not come
back to me like before. Are you still getting to see my incredible wit
and wisdom?
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! |
Who needs a pith helmet when you've got the flying goggles?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289221#289221
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail question |
I get the emails, but no wit or wisdom at all. I may have to tweak my spam
filter...
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--- On Thu, 3/4/10, TOM STINEMETZE <toms@mcpcity.com> wrote:
From: TOM STINEMETZE <toms@mcpcity.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question
Fellow listers:
-
I have noticed that lately any messages I send to the list do not come back
to me like before.- Are you still getting to see my incredible wit and w
isdom?
-
Thanks,
Tom Stinemetze
N328X
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail question |
I have been flamed. Oh the horror . . . oh the humanity!
Me again.
N328X
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>>> Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> 3/4/2010 11:04 AM >>>
I get the emails, but no wit or wisdom at all. I may have to tweak my spam
filter...
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While on the subject of books, this Lindbergh book is excellent:
http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-St-Louis-Charles-Lindbergh/dp/0743237056/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267723015&sr=8-2
By Lindbergh himself, covers what it was like to fly the mail (yes
they flew at night, middle of winter, with no radios of any kind and
only a couple lanterns for runway lights), through the engineering and
build of the aircraft (they considered detachable gear like the German
Comet rocket plane).
rick
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71
> subject lines away and consider books. I can
> highly recommend two:
>
> "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and
> Leo Janos.
>
> "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At
> Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos.
>
> Both are very, very interesting reading for a
> pilot or experimenter.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Small steps reaches small mile stone |
I agree Mike, I really like learning how to work with the different
materials. Have spent as much time on metal welding/grinding as I have on
wood cutting/sanding/gluing. Soon you will get to learn sheet metal/aluminum
cutting/bending/riveting for your fuel tank and cowling (and maybe some
composite). And building an engine is a great learning experience too,
especially when it runs and doesn't leak anything (yet).
rick
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> It was nice when I made the change, (temporarily) from working with all
> wood to some steel and welding. Then it became obvious that I need to
> transition over to some cable work. Over the past couple days, I have made
> 6 out of the 8 tail brace cables. I read the swager manual, set up the
> machine and got to it. Very satisfying to be doing some rigging now! Of
> course it is all temporary as it will all have to come back apart, but it
> feels like I have made it to another small mile stone. What took the
> longest for me was getting the angle of the steel fittings on the tail bent
> so the angle would line up straight with the fork end and cable. The swaging
> itself is cake.
>
> No big deal to those who have been there, all new and fun for me, so I
> thought I would share.
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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I'm always amazed (after all, our love is reported to be low and slow flight
in an open cockpit) that more aren't reading about low and slow flight in
open cockpits. I love early aviation and the men & women that pioneered the
way for us. Rescue flights in -40 below zero weather, between Alaska and
Russia in open cockpit airplanes. Flying into areas where there were no
maps or knowledge of what to expect. Crashes that pilots walked away from,
only to have to walk hundreds of miles to get help. Others rebuilt their
planes and props to fly them out to safety. I also love to read about Bush
Pilots and their adventures. So much history.
Just a few of the really good books.
In The Shadow Of Eagles by Rudy Billberg (I have two of these, so if
anyone wants to read it, I will send it to you, then you must send it on to
someone else.)
Heroes Of the Horizon by Gerry Bruder
The Last Of The Bush Pilots by Harmon Helmericks
Frank Barr, Bush Pilot in Alaska and the Yukon by Dermot Cole
Mercy Pilot, The Joe Crosson Story by Dirk Tordoff
MudHole Smith, Alaska Flier by Lone E. Janson (I use to work for
MudHole in the early 60's. He was a real true Alaskan pioneer bushpilot)
North Star Over My Shoulder By Bob Buck
Bush Pilots, Legends of the Old & Bold By Bob Cary & Jack Hautala
Wager With The Wind, the Don Sheldon Story by James Greiner
Glacier Pilot, the Story of Bob Reeve and the Flyers who pushed back Alaska
Air Frontiers by Beth Day Romulo
Wings Over Alaska, The Story of Carl Ben Eielson By Edward A. Herron.
If you like true war stories then I recommend the following about FAC
(Forward air controllers)(low and slow) Pilots in Vietnam.
A Lonely Kind of War by Marshall Harrison
Vietnam Above the TreeTops by John F. Flanagan
Gene in sunny beautiful Tennessee
N502R
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books
>
> Here's a good list of aviation books....
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11441&highlight=books
>
> David Paule
>
>
> Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71
> subject lines away and consider books. I can
> highly recommend two:
>
> "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and
> Leo Janos.
>
> "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At
> Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos.
>
> Both are very, very interesting reading for a
> pilot or experimenter.
>
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail question |
It's OK Tom, I'm really not that good at it and most people don't listen to
me anyway.
-
But, as you see, your latest email came through as well.
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Here's a short story by one of our ranks that I thoroughly enjoyed. You
might, too:
http://aviationstories-robbach.blogspot.com/2009/05/5339-by-rob-bach.html
Cheers,
Dan
On 03/04/2010 11:36 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote:
> <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
>
> I'm always amazed (after all, our love is reported to be low and slow
> flight in an open cockpit) that more aren't reading about low and slow
> flight in open cockpits. I love early aviation and the men & women that
> pioneered the way for us. Rescue flights in -40 below zero weather,
> between Alaska and Russia in open cockpit airplanes. Flying into areas
> where there were no maps or knowledge of what to expect. Crashes that
> pilots walked away from, only to have to walk hundreds of miles to get
> help. Others rebuilt their planes and props to fly them out to safety. I
> also love to read about Bush Pilots and their adventures. So much history.
> Just a few of the really good books.
>
> In The Shadow Of Eagles by Rudy Billberg (I have two of these, so if
> anyone wants to read it, I will send it to you, then you must send it on
> to someone else.)
> Heroes Of the Horizon by Gerry Bruder
> The Last Of The Bush Pilots by Harmon Helmericks
> Frank Barr, Bush Pilot in Alaska and the Yukon by Dermot Cole
> Mercy Pilot, The Joe Crosson Story by Dirk Tordoff
> MudHole Smith, Alaska Flier by Lone E. Janson (I use to work for MudHole
> in the early 60's. He was a real true Alaskan pioneer bushpilot)
> North Star Over My Shoulder By Bob Buck
> Bush Pilots, Legends of the Old & Bold By Bob Cary & Jack Hautala
> Wager With The Wind, the Don Sheldon Story by James Greiner
> Glacier Pilot, the Story of Bob Reeve and the Flyers who pushed back
> Alaska Air Frontiers by Beth Day Romulo
> Wings Over Alaska, The Story of Carl Ben Eielson By Edward A. Herron.
> If you like true war stories then I recommend the following about FAC
> (Forward air controllers)(low and slow) Pilots in Vietnam.
> A Lonely Kind of War by Marshall Harrison
> Vietnam Above the TreeTops by John F. Flanagan
>
> Gene in sunny beautiful Tennessee
> N502R
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books
>
>
>>
>> Here's a good list of aviation books....
>>
>> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11441&highlight=books
>>
>>
>> David Paule
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71
>> subject lines away and consider books. I can
>> highly recommend two:
>>
>> "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and
>> Leo Janos.
>>
>> "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At
>> Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos.
>>
>> Both are very, very interesting reading for a
>> pilot or experimenter.
>>
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga
>> Air Camper NX41CC
>> San Antonio, TX
>> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Same here Mike. I rec'd Tom's e-mail but didn't catch much wit or wisdom.
Tom, you just give us a warning when
that is coming so we can keep an eye out for it.
Very much kidding and in good fun.
Mike C.
Hmmm...I wonder if Amazon sells pith helmets ?
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail question |
Pith on these helmet jokes... can we get back to Piet stuff?
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| Subject: | Re: e-mail question |
Michael:
No offense taken - I knew you "din't mean nothin' by it." Anyway I was
just glad to be able to use a quotation from the Hindenberg disaster. Now
THAT's when flaming somebody really meant something.
Tom
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>>> Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> 3/4/2010 12:04 PM >>>
It's OK Tom, I'm really not that good at it and most people don't listen
to me anyway.
But, as you see, your latest email came through as well.
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Maybe this will help tie the two together.
I see a Piet, and I see a pith.
Oscar wrote:
Pith on these helmet jokes... can we get back to Piet stuff?
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Cool. The quote went right past me...missed it all together.
--- On Thu, 3/4/10, TOM STINEMETZE <toms@mcpcity.com> wrote:
From: TOM STINEMETZE <toms@mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question
Michael:
-
No offense taken - I knew you "din't mean nothin' by it."- Anyway I was j
ust glad to be able to use a quotation from the Hindenberg disaster.- Now
THAT's when flaming somebody really meant something.
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Tom
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>>> Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> 3/4/2010 12:04 PM >>>
It's OK Tom, I'm really not that good at it and most people don't listen to
me anyway.
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But, as you see, your latest email came through as well. -
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| Subject: | Top vert.cable fitting. |
As we know the brace cables for the vert. stab. come together at the top to
one fitting attached to the trailing edge. It appears that I have some twi
st on the vert. stab. if I grab the leading edge of it and push/pull side t
o side. Any harm in relocating the forward-two cables to the leading edge
?
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So sorry, old man... you're right, of course... jolly good! Classic styling, that.
I hope you've taken no offense. Fine, fine cut to that pith helmet and
quite well taken care of. Capital, capital pith helmet, yes. Harrumph!
Nice Air Camper as well... taper shaft hub, prop very similar to the Hegy I flew
on the A65, nice wing gap covers, split axle gear, steerable tailwheel, what
else shall we say? Strut brace wires tuned to 'G'-? Jolly good show!
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| Subject: | Re: Top vert.cable fitting. |
You mean like this:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tail01.jpg
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After talking with Hans, I've decided the springs to order are the same
as he used, Die Max 9-3224-36. AC Spruce has a pair for $90. H & O Die
Supply (800-222-5441) sells them for $67.00 a pair.
Jack
DSM
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| Subject: | vertical stabilizer fitting location |
Mike,
I would leave your vertical tail fitting/ cable location right where the pl
ans show it and not worry about the twist until you have allowed
for change of season/ spring/ summer humidity to come to Ohio, then until a
fter you varnish and cover with fabric unless the twist is
really noticeable in which case I would simply build a new one.
You will be able to take twist out during the fabric taughtening process to
by playing the iron over one side at a higher temp than the other
as you go thru the three increasing iron temperature stages for the Dacron
tightening.
Those cables stabilize the hinge line right at the top hinge so when you bo
ot the rudder that back edge of your vertical stab is held
very firmly. If you grab your stab by the LE when you boot the rudder you'
ll have the "guy wires" ahead of the place where all the
rudder force is being transferred to the stab.
Lastly, if you look at the brace wires/ rods on Piper Cubs or Aeronca Cham
ps, Aeronca Sedans, Taylorcrafts, Porterfields, Ryan PT's,
Fairchilds.......every one of them uses the hinge line edge of the vertical
stab to secure the wires.
Mike C.
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A few favorites of mine would be Nothing by Chance & Biplane by Richard Bach.
If you haven't read Nothing by Chance, it was a barnstorming story that took place
in southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois, and no, Bach did not fly into
Brodhead. Go figure. Flight of Passage by Rinker Buck is another one that
is really a hoot to read. Lastly, Budd Davisson's 2 books, The Stonewall File,
and Cobalt Blue will definitely keep you up at night.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Top vert.cable fitting. |
Yes, like that!-
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| Subject: | Re: vertical stabilizer fitting location |
I'm not sure we are on the same page Mike.- My Vert. stab. is not twisted
.- What I am saying is that now that I have it all bolted to the fuse and
have my newly made brace cables in place, everything seems solid...except
for when I grab the leading edge of the vert. and push sideways on it, then
it flexes/twists.- I am not going to move that top cable fitting, only t
he front cables off of that fitting-over to a fitting on the leading edge
.- Oscar sent a link to a picture of exactly what I am talking about. (bu
t with cables)- This will negate the twist. But I am curious if it is NOT
a good idea for a reason I am not seeing.-
-
I would think this would stabilize the tail better and may cut/eliminate th
e "flopping around" you guys see when you look back there in flight.
Thanks Mike.
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How about " West with the Night" Beryl Markham , A great pilot with many records
IE. First to woman to cross the Atlantic solo, East to West, and incredible
flying in Africa. She also has an autobiography, She was also referred to in the
movie" Out of Africa".
Pieti Lowell
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Hi Guys,
There is a really good story, of a local nature, that I was totally oblivi
ous to until a few years back. There was a man, from Rockford IL., "Fish"
Hassel was his name. He was hired by Glenn Curtis as a car mechanic. He
went on to get his pilot's licence and was a real charactor, barnstorming
and booze-running to Canada during prohibition in the subsequent years.
He wrote a book about his life entitled "A Viking With Wings". He wanted
to establish the viability of a great-circle air route to Scandinavia in
1927. Here is an excerpt that summarizes this:
The people of Rockford, Illinois became interested and decided to back
his scheme. A Stinson Detroiter monoplane was obtained and planning of th
e flight began. As his co-pilot and navigator, Hassell selected Parker "Sh
orty" Cramer, and together they began making test flights in the vicinity
of Rockford. (This was actually the old Mechesney Park Airport) They set
the date for the take-off as July 26, 1928. When the appointed time arriv
ed, they took off with the crowd cheering. But the fuel load proved too he
avy and they wound up in a corn field west of the river. (Rock River)
After repairing the plane, they again took off on August 16, 1928 and
headed for their first scheduled refueling stop, a base on the Sondre Str
omfjord in south-west Greenland. After twenty hours in the air, they faile
d to find the base and were forced to make an emergency landing. The two
adventurers set out to walk to the base. Fourteen days later, they encoun
tered a group of Eskimos who brought them into the camp, just as they were
about to be given up for lost.
From the base, they worked their way to Holstenborg, on the coast whe
re they got passage on a tramp steamer to Europe. From there, they made th
eir way back to the United States and Rockford.
Hassel went on to serve in WWII, establishing the all-important air base
in Goose Bay, Greenland.
The aircraft that was abandoned on the glacier in 1928, was eventually rec
overed, flown back to Rockford IL. in a DC-3, restored, and is on display
at the Midway Village Museum here in Rockford, IL.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Oh, for the days of wooden airplanes and iron men.
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good books
Hi Guys,
There is a really good story, of a local nature, that I was totally
oblivious to until a few years back. There was a man, from Rockford IL.,
"Fish" Hassel was his name. He was hired by Glenn Curtis as a car mechanic.
He went on to get his pilot's licence and was a real charactor, barnstorming
and booze-running to Canada during prohibition in the subsequent years. He
wrote a book about his life entitled "A Viking With Wings". He wanted to
establish the viability of a great-circle air route to Scandinavia in 1927.
Here is an excerpt that summarizes this:
The people of Rockford, Illinois became interested and decided to back his
scheme. A Stinson Detroiter monoplane was obtained and planning of the
flight began. As his co-pilot and navigator, Hassell selected
<http://earlyaviators.com/ecramer.htm> Parker "Shorty" Cramer, and together
they began making test flights in the vicinity of Rockford. (This was
actually the old Mechesney Park Airport) They set the date for the take-off
as July 26, 1928. When the appointed time arrived, they took off with the
crowd cheering. But the fuel load proved too heavy and they wound up in a
corn field west of the river. (Rock River)
After repairing the plane, they again took off on August 16, 1928 and
headed for their first scheduled refueling stop, a base on the Sondre
Stromfjord in south-west Greenland. After twenty hours in the air, they
failed to find the base and were forced to make an emergency landing. The
two adventurers set out to walk to the base. Fourteen days later, they
encountered a group of Eskimos who brought them into the camp, just as they
were about to be given up for lost.
From the base, they worked their way to Holstenborg, on the coast where
they got passage on a tramp steamer to Europe. From there, they made their
way back to the United States and Rockford.
Hassel went on to serve in WWII, establishing the all-important air base in
Goose Bay, Greenland.
The aircraft that was abandoned on the glacier in 1928, was eventually
recovered, flown back to Rockford IL. in a DC-3, restored, and is on display
at the Midway Village Museum here in Rockford, IL.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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You beat me to it. That IS a good book.
>
>How about " West with the Night" Beryl Markham , A great pilot with
>many records IE. First to woman to cross the Atlantic solo, East to
>West, and incredible flying in Africa. She also has an
>autobiography, She was also referred to in the movie" Out of Africa".
>Pieti Lowell
>
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"Now let's think about this..."
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Another good one is "Record Flights" by Chamberlin.
Also "Building Aeroplanes for The Magnificent Men and Their Flying Machines"
by Wheeler.
David Paule
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: good books
>
> You beat me to it. That IS a good book.
>
>><Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>>
>>How about " West with the Night" Beryl Markham , A great pilot with many
>>records IE. First to woman to cross the Atlantic solo, East to West, and
>>incredible flying in Africa. She also has an autobiography, She was also
>>referred to in the movie" Out of Africa".
>>Pieti Lowell
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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Noticed there wasn't a "newbie" type thread so here is my first attempt at contributing
to the site.
I've been lurking for awhile now, and doing my best to soak up all the knowledge
here, just thought i would say hello.
I'm Matthew VanDervort and have a pretty good corvair Piet rebuild lined up.
other then this thread I will only throw in my two cents when I have something
relative to add!
And want to let everyone here know how much i appreciate the knowledge base that
is here already! and I hoope to contribute to it soon.
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HI Matt,
Welcome to the list, and Pietenpol country.
If you know where Crawdaddy Landing , ( 3KY4 ) is, Douwe Blumberg will have a FIRST
flight with his newly completed Ford powered Piet around the end of this
month, keep informed You are not far from Carrollton Ky,
His Pietenpol is a work of art from my point of view, and has some neet new innovations.
Pieti Lowell
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i have a pretty good idea where that is, but hopefully im closing on my first house
around that time, so i might not be able to make it, but I will sure try!!!
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Your local beekeeper supply probably does.
Poor Mike. Shot down in flames! :-)
I feel for you buddy. You should arrive at Broadhead
with one of these. That'll fix em!
http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/machine-gun.htm
Mike C.
Hmmm.I wonder if Amazon sells pith helmets ?
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