---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/04/10: 41 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - "Wave" lift in Wisconsin (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin (Jim Ash) 3. 05:36 AM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Michael Perez) 4. 05:40 AM - Re: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin (Michael Perez) 5. 05:48 AM - Small steps reaches small mile stone (Michael Perez) 6. 06:47 AM - good books (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 07:01 AM - Re: logos, coveralls etc. (Mike King) 8. 07:12 AM - Re: good books (David Paule) 9. 08:18 AM - Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! (Bill Church) 10. 08:41 AM - coveralls and pith helmets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 11. 08:46 AM - e-mail question (TOM STINEMETZE) 12. 08:51 AM - Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! (taildrags) 13. 09:05 AM - Re: e-mail question (Michael Perez) 14. 09:23 AM - Re: e-mail question (TOM STINEMETZE) 15. 09:23 AM - Re: good books (Rick Holland) 16. 09:33 AM - Re: Small steps reaches small mile stone (Rick Holland) 17. 09:36 AM - Re: good books (Gene & Tammy) 18. 10:04 AM - Re: e-mail question (Michael Perez) 19. 10:10 AM - Re: good books (Dan Yocum) 20. 10:20 AM - Re: e-mail question (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 21. 11:36 AM - Re: e-mail question (taildrags) 22. 11:43 AM - Re: e-mail question (TOM STINEMETZE) 23. 12:02 PM - Re: e-mail question (Bill Church) 24. 01:19 PM - Re: e-mail question (Michael Perez) 25. 01:22 PM - Top vert.cable fitting. (Michael Perez) 26. 01:37 PM - Re: e-mail question (taildrags) 27. 01:40 PM - Re: Top vert.cable fitting. (taildrags) 28. 01:45 PM - Gear Springs (Jack T. Textor) 29. 01:45 PM - vertical stabilizer fitting location (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 30. 02:03 PM - Re: good books (Paul N. Peckham) 31. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Top vert.cable fitting. (Michael Perez) 32. 03:01 PM - Re: vertical stabilizer fitting location (Michael Perez) 33. 04:00 PM - Re: good books (Pieti Lowell) 34. 04:54 PM - Good books (helspersew@aol.com) 35. 05:25 PM - Re: Good books (Mike) 36. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: good books (Jeff Boatright) 37. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: good books (David Paule) 38. 07:18 PM - Just Hello (VanDy) 39. 07:42 PM - Re: Just Hello (Pieti Lowell) 40. 07:59 PM - Re: Just Hello (VanDy) 41. 08:17 PM - Re: e-mail question (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Guys, This reminds me of a flight I made in central Wisconsin back in about 1997 . It was mid-summer, and there was plenty of moisture and heat in the atmo sphere. I left C-77 headed north for Eagle River. The wx was supposed to be good, but half way there I could see a perfectly defined squall line coming up in front of me blocking my path. It would have taken me about 50 miles out of my way to get around it. Then I saw a real nice clear pat hway right through the middle of it. I could see perfectly through to the other side so decided to slip right through. How do you spell S-T-U-P-I-D ? Everything was fine at first, then the updraft hit me. I began throttlin g back as I went UP UP UP at an alarming rate. Then the severe turbulence (for me) almost ripped my wings off. I just kept going because I could se e it wasn't much farther and I would be out of it. It only lasted about 60 seconds but it was the wildest ride I was ever on. Had to wipe the huge beads of sweat off my brow after that one! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:37 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: a Piet is a Piet Ok, Ok. Go get your "grain of salt" pills and re read my epic adventure. Also keep the pills handy whenever you see one of my infrequent posts. As for Vne vs. stall speed, it ain't uncommon at all. 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Jim -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Mar 4, 2010 7:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin Hi Guys, This reminds me of a flight I made in central Wisconsin back in about 1997. It was mid-summer, and there was plenty of moisture and heat in the atmosphere. I left C-77 headed north for Eagle River. The wx was supposed to be good, but half way there I could see a perfectly defined squall line coming up in front of me blocking my path. It would have taken me about 50 miles out of my way to get around it. Then I saw a real nice clear pathway right through the middle of it. I could see perfectly through to the other side so decided to slip right through. How do you spell S-T-U-P-I-D? Everything was fine at first, then the updraft hit me. I began throttling back as I went UP UP UP at an alarming rate. Then the severe turbulence (for me) almost ripped my wings off. I just kept going because I could see it wasn't much farther and I would be out of it. It only lasted about 60 seconds but it was the wildest ride I was ever on. Had to wipe the huge beads of sweat off my brow after tha t one! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Williams Sent: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 8:37 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: a Piet is a Piet Ok, Ok. Go get your "grain of salt" pills and re read my epic adventure. Also keep the pills handy whenever you see one of my infrequent posts. As for Vne vs. stall speed, it ain't uncommon at all. One of our Canadair RJ's was leveling out at about =================================== t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List =================================== tp://forums.matronics.com =================================== _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:07 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. I agree here as well. You do not need permission on how to build, paint, de cal, modify or tweak your plane bro! It may bother some, but in the end it is yours to do what you want. - do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:53 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Wave" lift in Wisconsin "Then the severe- turbulence (for me) almost ripped my wings off." - That sounds severe for all of us, I believe! - do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:15 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Small steps reaches small mile stone It was nice when I made the change, (temporarily) from working with all woo d to some steel and welding.- Then it became obvious that I need to trans ition over to some cable work.- Over the past couple days, I have made 6 out of the 8 tail brace cables. I read the swager manual, set up the machin e and got to it. Very satisfying to be doing some rigging now! Of course it is all temporary as it will all have to come back apart, but it feels like I have made it to another small mile stone.- What took the longest for m e was getting the angle of the steel fittings on the tail bent so the angle would line up straight with the fork end and cable. The swaging itself is cake. - No big deal to those who have been there, all new and fun for me, so I thou ght I would share. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:49 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: good books Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71 subject lines away and consider books. I can highly recommend two: "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and Leo Janos. "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos. Both are very, very interesting reading for a pilot or experimenter. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:45 AM PST US From: Mike King Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. Thanks Jeff and others who responded. I would like to order a set or two (different colors) of the coveralls and a logo when available. There is a Piet.....complete with Ford engine and Air Camper logo.... at nearby Rockport Airport. It is a beautiful plane and we plan on flying around South Texas and along the Gulf Coast beachline soon. Thanks again guys.... Mike King 77MK GN-1 Corpus Christi, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Mar 3, 2010 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. Mike, I admire your desire to be sensitive to other's view of the world. And before I unload, let me say that I welcome the Piet logo on your GN-1. I agree with your reasoning: Bernard->Grega->Mike. But... Heck, Mike Cuy has an EASTERN (who's zoomin' who?) AIRLINES logo on his Pietenpol. D'ya think Frank Borman gave Mike permission to do that? Heck NO! Frank Borman only WISHES he was as cool and with it as Mike Cuy. And by extension, the rest of us on this h'yar list. Order away! Jeff Hey Guys, The Piet logos are very nice and I am sure the talent on this list will offer a great logo for clothing and the plane alike. My question is: Since we have both Piet and GN-1 builders and pilots on this list, would the Piet logo be welcomed on the GN-1? This was Bernard's design and concept and John Grega came along later with his revisions to the same concept. If both parties are in agreement, then I would like to order a coverall and logo for my GN-1. Thanks. Mike King 77Mk GN-1 Corpus Christi, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: gboothe5@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. I'm in, too. Gary Boothe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: logos, coveralls etc. I'm interested, Roman Bukolt NX20795 On Mar 2, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > > > Hey Don, > > Great minds think alike eh? > > I talked to my friend at Old Rhinebeck (owns the beautiful "626" > that used > to fly there) since they are really good at the period look. He > directed me > to Universal Overall company as the only place he could find old > cotton > coveralls. Ck out their site, they have cotton coveralls with hidden > buttons. I'd have somebody put buttons down the front. They come > in many > colors, but White or unbleached probably would look great. > > I just got a pretty good old Mobilgas image that would certainly > have that > thirties look, and the kind folks from this site have been sending > me stuff > too, so we'll see. Let's talk and see what we come up with. Being an > artist, I can always clean on of these up or make our own. The > important > thing to me is to get something that really looks old. > > Sounds like we have an offer from a silkscreener to make screens > (thanks > Jake!) which is the best printing way to go as it'll outlast and stay > fresher than a heat transfer. The ultimate would be to have it > embroidered, > but I'll have to ck out the price on that, and it probably is way > overkill. > > Don, let me know if you want to order a few coveralls with me, and > anybody > else and let's put our heads together about a logo so we can get > something > done before flying season. > > Douwe > douweblumberg@earthlink.net > > http://www.matnbsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ Pietenpol-List Email Forum - Un/Subscription,Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:19 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books Here's a good list of aviation books.... http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11441&highlight=books David Paule Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71 subject lines away and consider books. I can highly recommend two: "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and Leo Janos. "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos. Both are very, very interesting reading for a pilot or experimenter. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! From: "Bill Church" Wonder how the coveralls would look with a pith helmet? do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289204#289204 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:20 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: coveralls and pith helmets Bill-- you might be onto making a GREAT fashion statement if we could get some logo coveralls and a logo Pith helmet ! Would it be wrong to wear high black dress socks with the coverall legs tucked in the socks and sandals for footwear ? Nothing would say Brodhead like that outfit.....now if I could only work some suspenders and plaid fabric in there.....and a camera slung around my neck with a 18" lens sticking out... do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:55 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Fellow listers: I have noticed that lately any messages I send to the list do not come back to me like before. Are you still getting to see my incredible wit and wisdom? Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coveralls and Flitzer group-nice one Larry ! From: "taildrags" Who needs a pith helmet when you've got the flying goggles? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289221#289221 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ap31g6_122.jpg ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:13 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question I get the emails, but no wit or wisdom at all. I may have to tweak my spam filter... - do not archive --- On Thu, 3/4/10, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: From: TOM STINEMETZE Subject: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Fellow listers: - I have noticed that lately any messages I send to the list do not come back to me like before.- Are you still getting to see my incredible wit and w isdom? - Thanks, Tom Stinemetze N328X - do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:26 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question I have been flamed. Oh the horror . . . oh the humanity! Me again. N328X do not archive >>> Michael Perez 3/4/2010 11:04 AM >>> I get the emails, but no wit or wisdom at all. I may have to tweak my spam filter... do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:31 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books From: Rick Holland While on the subject of books, this Lindbergh book is excellent: http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-St-Louis-Charles-Lindbergh/dp/0743237056/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267723015&sr=8-2 By Lindbergh himself, covers what it was like to fly the mail (yes they flew at night, middle of winter, with no radios of any kind and only a couple lanterns for runway lights), through the engineering and build of the aircraft (they considered detachable gear like the German Comet rocket plane). rick On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71 > subject lines away and consider books. I can > highly recommend two: > > "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and > Leo Janos. > > "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At > Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos. > > Both are very, very interesting reading for a > pilot or experimenter. > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:33:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Small steps reaches small mile stone From: Rick Holland I agree Mike, I really like learning how to work with the different materials. Have spent as much time on metal welding/grinding as I have on wood cutting/sanding/gluing. Soon you will get to learn sheet metal/aluminum cutting/bending/riveting for your fuel tank and cowling (and maybe some composite). And building an engine is a great learning experience too, especially when it runs and doesn't leak anything (yet). rick On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > It was nice when I made the change, (temporarily) from working with all > wood to some steel and welding. Then it became obvious that I need to > transition over to some cable work. Over the past couple days, I have made > 6 out of the 8 tail brace cables. I read the swager manual, set up the > machine and got to it. Very satisfying to be doing some rigging now! Of > course it is all temporary as it will all have to come back apart, but it > feels like I have made it to another small mile stone. What took the > longest for me was getting the angle of the steel fittings on the tail bent > so the angle would line up straight with the fork end and cable. The swaging > itself is cake. > > No big deal to those who have been there, all new and fun for me, so I > thought I would share. > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:39 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books I'm always amazed (after all, our love is reported to be low and slow flight in an open cockpit) that more aren't reading about low and slow flight in open cockpits. I love early aviation and the men & women that pioneered the way for us. Rescue flights in -40 below zero weather, between Alaska and Russia in open cockpit airplanes. Flying into areas where there were no maps or knowledge of what to expect. Crashes that pilots walked away from, only to have to walk hundreds of miles to get help. Others rebuilt their planes and props to fly them out to safety. I also love to read about Bush Pilots and their adventures. So much history. Just a few of the really good books. In The Shadow Of Eagles by Rudy Billberg (I have two of these, so if anyone wants to read it, I will send it to you, then you must send it on to someone else.) Heroes Of the Horizon by Gerry Bruder The Last Of The Bush Pilots by Harmon Helmericks Frank Barr, Bush Pilot in Alaska and the Yukon by Dermot Cole Mercy Pilot, The Joe Crosson Story by Dirk Tordoff MudHole Smith, Alaska Flier by Lone E. Janson (I use to work for MudHole in the early 60's. He was a real true Alaskan pioneer bushpilot) North Star Over My Shoulder By Bob Buck Bush Pilots, Legends of the Old & Bold By Bob Cary & Jack Hautala Wager With The Wind, the Don Sheldon Story by James Greiner Glacier Pilot, the Story of Bob Reeve and the Flyers who pushed back Alaska Air Frontiers by Beth Day Romulo Wings Over Alaska, The Story of Carl Ben Eielson By Edward A. Herron. If you like true war stories then I recommend the following about FAC (Forward air controllers)(low and slow) Pilots in Vietnam. A Lonely Kind of War by Marshall Harrison Vietnam Above the TreeTops by John F. Flanagan Gene in sunny beautiful Tennessee N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Paule" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books > > Here's a good list of aviation books.... > > http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11441&highlight=books > > David Paule > > > Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71 > subject lines away and consider books. I can > highly recommend two: > > "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and > Leo Janos. > > "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At > Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos. > > Both are very, very interesting reading for a > pilot or experimenter. > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:34:00 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:40 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question It's OK Tom, I'm really not that good at it and most people don't listen to me anyway. - But, as you see, your latest email came through as well. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:10 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books Here's a short story by one of our ranks that I thoroughly enjoyed. You might, too: http://aviationstories-robbach.blogspot.com/2009/05/5339-by-rob-bach.html Cheers, Dan On 03/04/2010 11:36 AM, Gene & Tammy wrote: > > > I'm always amazed (after all, our love is reported to be low and slow > flight in an open cockpit) that more aren't reading about low and slow > flight in open cockpits. I love early aviation and the men & women that > pioneered the way for us. Rescue flights in -40 below zero weather, > between Alaska and Russia in open cockpit airplanes. Flying into areas > where there were no maps or knowledge of what to expect. Crashes that > pilots walked away from, only to have to walk hundreds of miles to get > help. Others rebuilt their planes and props to fly them out to safety. I > also love to read about Bush Pilots and their adventures. So much history. > Just a few of the really good books. > > In The Shadow Of Eagles by Rudy Billberg (I have two of these, so if > anyone wants to read it, I will send it to you, then you must send it on > to someone else.) > Heroes Of the Horizon by Gerry Bruder > The Last Of The Bush Pilots by Harmon Helmericks > Frank Barr, Bush Pilot in Alaska and the Yukon by Dermot Cole > Mercy Pilot, The Joe Crosson Story by Dirk Tordoff > MudHole Smith, Alaska Flier by Lone E. Janson (I use to work for MudHole > in the early 60's. He was a real true Alaskan pioneer bushpilot) > North Star Over My Shoulder By Bob Buck > Bush Pilots, Legends of the Old & Bold By Bob Cary & Jack Hautala > Wager With The Wind, the Don Sheldon Story by James Greiner > Glacier Pilot, the Story of Bob Reeve and the Flyers who pushed back > Alaska Air Frontiers by Beth Day Romulo > Wings Over Alaska, The Story of Carl Ben Eielson By Edward A. Herron. > If you like true war stories then I recommend the following about FAC > (Forward air controllers)(low and slow) Pilots in Vietnam. > A Lonely Kind of War by Marshall Harrison > Vietnam Above the TreeTops by John F. Flanagan > > Gene in sunny beautiful Tennessee > N502R > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Paule" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: good books > > >> >> Here's a good list of aviation books.... >> >> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=11441&highlight=books >> >> >> David Paule >> >> >> >> >> >> Okay, so let's take the dimpletape and SR-71 >> subject lines away and consider books. I can >> highly recommend two: >> >> "Yeager- An Autobiography" by Chuck Yeager and >> Leo Janos. >> >> "Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years At >> Lockheed" by Ben Rich and Leo Janos. >> >> Both are very, very interesting reading for a >> pilot or experimenter. >> >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> Air Camper NX41CC >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 19:34:00 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:27 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Same here Mike. I rec'd Tom's e-mail but didn't catch much wit or wisdom. Tom, you just give us a warning when that is coming so we can keep an eye out for it. Very much kidding and in good fun. Mike C. Hmmm...I wonder if Amazon sells pith helmets ? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: e-mail question From: "taildrags" Pith on these helmet jokes... can we get back to Piet stuff? do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289239#289239 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:11 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Michael: No offense taken - I knew you "din't mean nothin' by it." Anyway I was just glad to be able to use a quotation from the Hindenberg disaster. Now THAT's when flaming somebody really meant something. Tom do not archive ____ | ____ \8/ / \ >>> Michael Perez 3/4/2010 12:04 PM >>> It's OK Tom, I'm really not that good at it and most people don't listen to me anyway. But, as you see, your latest email came through as well. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: e-mail question From: "Bill Church" Maybe this will help tie the two together. I see a Piet, and I see a pith. Oscar wrote: Pith on these helmet jokes... can we get back to Piet stuff? do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289242#289242 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pithy_102.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:00 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Cool. The quote went right past me...missed it all together. --- On Thu, 3/4/10, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: From: TOM STINEMETZE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Michael: - No offense taken - I knew you "din't mean nothin' by it."- Anyway I was j ust glad to be able to use a quotation from the Hindenberg disaster.- Now THAT's when flaming somebody really meant something. - Tom - do not archive - - --____ | ____ ------- \8/ ------- / \ >>> Michael Perez 3/4/2010 12:04 PM >>> It's OK Tom, I'm really not that good at it and most people don't listen to me anyway. - But, as you see, your latest email came through as well. - ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:38 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Top vert.cable fitting. As we know the brace cables for the vert. stab. come together at the top to one fitting attached to the trailing edge. It appears that I have some twi st on the vert. stab. if I grab the leading edge of it and push/pull side t o side. Any harm in relocating the forward-two cables to the leading edge ? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: e-mail question From: "taildrags" So sorry, old man... you're right, of course... jolly good! Classic styling, that. I hope you've taken no offense. Fine, fine cut to that pith helmet and quite well taken care of. Capital, capital pith helmet, yes. Harrumph! Nice Air Camper as well... taper shaft hub, prop very similar to the Hegy I flew on the A65, nice wing gap covers, split axle gear, steerable tailwheel, what else shall we say? Strut brace wires tuned to 'G'-? Jolly good show! do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289250#289250 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:40:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Top vert.cable fitting. From: "taildrags" You mean like this: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tail01.jpg -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289251#289251 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Springs From: "Jack T. Textor" After talking with Hans, I've decided the springs to order are the same as he used, Die Max 9-3224-36. AC Spruce has a pair for $90. H & O Die Supply (800-222-5441) sells them for $67.00 a pair. Jack DSM ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:45:23 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: vertical stabilizer fitting location Mike, I would leave your vertical tail fitting/ cable location right where the pl ans show it and not worry about the twist until you have allowed for change of season/ spring/ summer humidity to come to Ohio, then until a fter you varnish and cover with fabric unless the twist is really noticeable in which case I would simply build a new one. You will be able to take twist out during the fabric taughtening process to by playing the iron over one side at a higher temp than the other as you go thru the three increasing iron temperature stages for the Dacron tightening. Those cables stabilize the hinge line right at the top hinge so when you bo ot the rudder that back edge of your vertical stab is held very firmly. If you grab your stab by the LE when you boot the rudder you' ll have the "guy wires" ahead of the place where all the rudder force is being transferred to the stab. Lastly, if you look at the brace wires/ rods on Piper Cubs or Aeronca Cham ps, Aeronca Sedans, Taylorcrafts, Porterfields, Ryan PT's, Fairchilds.......every one of them uses the hinge line edge of the vertical stab to secure the wires. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: good books From: "Paul N. Peckham" A few favorites of mine would be Nothing by Chance & Biplane by Richard Bach. If you haven't read Nothing by Chance, it was a barnstorming story that took place in southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois, and no, Bach did not fly into Brodhead. Go figure. Flight of Passage by Rinker Buck is another one that is really a hoot to read. Lastly, Budd Davisson's 2 books, The Stonewall File, and Cobalt Blue will definitely keep you up at night. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289258#289258 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:01 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Top vert.cable fitting. Yes, like that!- - ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:13 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: vertical stabilizer fitting location I'm not sure we are on the same page Mike.- My Vert. stab. is not twisted .- What I am saying is that now that I have it all bolted to the fuse and have my newly made brace cables in place, everything seems solid...except for when I grab the leading edge of the vert. and push sideways on it, then it flexes/twists.- I am not going to move that top cable fitting, only t he front cables off of that fitting-over to a fitting on the leading edge .- Oscar sent a link to a picture of exactly what I am talking about. (bu t with cables)- This will negate the twist. But I am curious if it is NOT a good idea for a reason I am not seeing.- - I would think this would stabilize the tail better and may cut/eliminate th e "flopping around" you guys see when you look back there in flight. Thanks Mike. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: good books From: "Pieti Lowell" How about " West with the Night" Beryl Markham , A great pilot with many records IE. First to woman to cross the Atlantic solo, East to West, and incredible flying in Africa. She also has an autobiography, She was also referred to in the movie" Out of Africa". Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289268#289268 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good books From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Guys, There is a really good story, of a local nature, that I was totally oblivi ous to until a few years back. There was a man, from Rockford IL., "Fish" Hassel was his name. He was hired by Glenn Curtis as a car mechanic. He went on to get his pilot's licence and was a real charactor, barnstorming and booze-running to Canada during prohibition in the subsequent years. He wrote a book about his life entitled "A Viking With Wings". He wanted to establish the viability of a great-circle air route to Scandinavia in 1927. Here is an excerpt that summarizes this: The people of Rockford, Illinois became interested and decided to back his scheme. A Stinson Detroiter monoplane was obtained and planning of th e flight began. As his co-pilot and navigator, Hassell selected Parker "Sh orty" Cramer, and together they began making test flights in the vicinity of Rockford. (This was actually the old Mechesney Park Airport) They set the date for the take-off as July 26, 1928. When the appointed time arriv ed, they took off with the crowd cheering. But the fuel load proved too he avy and they wound up in a corn field west of the river. (Rock River) After repairing the plane, they again took off on August 16, 1928 and headed for their first scheduled refueling stop, a base on the Sondre Str omfjord in south-west Greenland. After twenty hours in the air, they faile d to find the base and were forced to make an emergency landing. The two adventurers set out to walk to the base. Fourteen days later, they encoun tered a group of Eskimos who brought them into the camp, just as they were about to be given up for lost. From the base, they worked their way to Holstenborg, on the coast whe re they got passage on a tramp steamer to Europe. From there, they made th eir way back to the United States and Rockford. Hassel went on to serve in WWII, establishing the all-important air base in Goose Bay, Greenland. The aircraft that was abandoned on the glacier in 1928, was eventually rec overed, flown back to Rockford IL. in a DC-3, restored, and is on display at the Midway Village Museum here in Rockford, IL. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:44 PM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good books Oh, for the days of wooden airplanes and iron men. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Good books Hi Guys, There is a really good story, of a local nature, that I was totally oblivious to until a few years back. There was a man, from Rockford IL., "Fish" Hassel was his name. He was hired by Glenn Curtis as a car mechanic. He went on to get his pilot's licence and was a real charactor, barnstorming and booze-running to Canada during prohibition in the subsequent years. He wrote a book about his life entitled "A Viking With Wings". He wanted to establish the viability of a great-circle air route to Scandinavia in 1927. Here is an excerpt that summarizes this: The people of Rockford, Illinois became interested and decided to back his scheme. A Stinson Detroiter monoplane was obtained and planning of the flight began. As his co-pilot and navigator, Hassell selected Parker "Shorty" Cramer, and together they began making test flights in the vicinity of Rockford. (This was actually the old Mechesney Park Airport) They set the date for the take-off as July 26, 1928. When the appointed time arrived, they took off with the crowd cheering. But the fuel load proved too heavy and they wound up in a corn field west of the river. (Rock River) After repairing the plane, they again took off on August 16, 1928 and headed for their first scheduled refueling stop, a base on the Sondre Stromfjord in south-west Greenland. After twenty hours in the air, they failed to find the base and were forced to make an emergency landing. The two adventurers set out to walk to the base. Fourteen days later, they encountered a group of Eskimos who brought them into the camp, just as they were about to be given up for lost. From the base, they worked their way to Holstenborg, on the coast where they got passage on a tramp steamer to Europe. From there, they made their way back to the United States and Rockford. Hassel went on to serve in WWII, establishing the all-important air base in Goose Bay, Greenland. The aircraft that was abandoned on the glacier in 1928, was eventually recovered, flown back to Rockford IL. in a DC-3, restored, and is on display at the Midway Village Museum here in Rockford, IL. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:32 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: good books You beat me to it. That IS a good book. > >How about " West with the Night" Beryl Markham , A great pilot with >many records IE. First to woman to cross the Atlantic solo, East to >West, and incredible flying in Africa. She also has an >autobiography, She was also referred to in the movie" Out of Africa". >Pieti Lowell > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:38 PM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: good books Another good one is "Record Flights" by Chamberlin. Also "Building Aeroplanes for The Magnificent Men and Their Flying Machines" by Wheeler. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Boatright" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: good books > > You beat me to it. That IS a good book. > >> >> >>How about " West with the Night" Beryl Markham , A great pilot with many >>records IE. First to woman to cross the Atlantic solo, East to West, and >>incredible flying in Africa. She also has an autobiography, She was also >>referred to in the movie" Out of Africa". >>Pieti Lowell >> > > > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > > ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just Hello From: "VanDy" Noticed there wasn't a "newbie" type thread so here is my first attempt at contributing to the site. I've been lurking for awhile now, and doing my best to soak up all the knowledge here, just thought i would say hello. I'm Matthew VanDervort and have a pretty good corvair Piet rebuild lined up. other then this thread I will only throw in my two cents when I have something relative to add! And want to let everyone here know how much i appreciate the knowledge base that is here already! and I hoope to contribute to it soon. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289285#289285 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just Hello From: "Pieti Lowell" HI Matt, Welcome to the list, and Pietenpol country. If you know where Crawdaddy Landing , ( 3KY4 ) is, Douwe Blumberg will have a FIRST flight with his newly completed Ford powered Piet around the end of this month, keep informed You are not far from Carrollton Ky, His Pietenpol is a work of art from my point of view, and has some neet new innovations. Pieti Lowell ] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289287#289287 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just Hello From: "VanDy" i have a pretty good idea where that is, but hopefully im closing on my first house around that time, so i might not be able to make it, but I will sure try!!! do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289288#289288 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:20 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: e-mail question Your local beekeeper supply probably does. Poor Mike. Shot down in flames! :-) I feel for you buddy. You should arrive at Broadhead with one of these. That'll fix em! http://www.kcdawnpatrol.org/machine-gun.htm Mike C. Hmmm.I wonder if Amazon sells pith helmets ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 03/04/10 11:34:00 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.