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2. 04:51 AM - Re: Construction Photos (Jack)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Jack)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Jim Markle)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Gary Boothe)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Tim Willis)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (K5YAC)
8. 10:11 AM - Wood (William Colleran)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: Wood (Jack Phillips)
10. 03:12 PM - Cool altimeter on ebay (helspersew@aol.com)
11. 04:06 PM - dimple tape (airlion)
12. 04:23 PM - Re: dimple tape (Ben Charvet)
13. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: Just Hello (shad bell)
14. 04:46 PM - Re: Wood (K5YAC)
15. 04:58 PM - Re: Wood (Dan Yocum)
16. 04:58 PM - Re: Wood (Dan Yocum)
17. 05:46 PM - Re: Wood (Gary Boothe)
18. 06:21 PM - Coverall Comps (mr-fix-all)
19. 06:43 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (Tim Willis)
20. 06:45 PM - Re: dimple tape (Pieti Lowell)
21. 07:05 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (mr-fix-all)
22. 07:14 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (VanDy)
23. 07:27 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (mr-fix-all)
24. 07:31 PM - Re: Wood (Clif Dawson)
25. 09:39 PM - Re: Wood (Mike Townsley)
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| Subject: | Re: First Major Milestone |
Mark,
Anytime you are proud of your work, and need to stand back and look, it's
a milestone. Very nice work. It must be great to get it out into the ligh
t.
Keep plugging!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good
about
t. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
oday was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time, so
I
ook my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look it over
in
he sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to install control
ulleys and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found th
at
here is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is
retty good.
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
right
ing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting
ssembly on the let panel.
Here are a few photos.
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| Subject: | Construction Photos |
Great shots and comments Kevin, thank you!
Jack
DSM
Hi - I haven't been able to get ahold of the (sainted) west coast piet
webmaster to post construction photos of NX899KP. The Girl taught me how to
post photos on a google blog. Here's the link:
http://nx899kp.blogspot.com/
I'll continue to add pictures as I can. If I have any notes I put them as
comments.
Best regards,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown
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| Subject: | First Major Milestone |
I agree, great milestone Mark, it get better every day!
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good
about it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the
aileron. Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long
time, so I took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could
look it over in the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to
install control pulleys and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that
there is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is
pretty good.
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
right wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to
starting assembly on the let panel.
Here are a few photos.
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Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: First Major Milestone |
It IS a milestone....you SHOULD feel pretty good about it....wow, this is great!
I got to spend the nice weather yesterday spreading gravel on my (800'+) driveway
and trying to get a 1951 tractor running (no spark...still!).
Looks like YOU had a LOT more fun!!!
Nice work Mark!
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:41 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
>
>
>I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good about
it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time, so I
took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look it over in
the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to install control pulleys
and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
>
>We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that there
is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is pretty
good.
>
>I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the right
wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting assembly
on the let panel.
>
>Here are a few photos.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365
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| Subject: | First Major Milestone |
Nice pics, Mark, thanks! I am still a big fan of your wing building jig.
That'll work great for me and my cramped work area. How about posting some
more in-process pics?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good
about it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the
aileron. Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long
time, so I took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could
look it over in the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to
install control pulleys and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that
there is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is
pretty good.
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
right wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to
starting assembly on the let panel.
Here are a few photos.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | Re: First Major Milestone |
Mark,
Thanks for the pix. It all looks great.
If you have them, I would like some more details, please. I'd like to see pix--
both a side view and a top view of the wing tip bow and the curved aileron tip,
and how they line up and look together. Perhaps your build is not quite there
yet-- the tips.
In any event, I continue to have trouble visualizing exactly how that goes together.
I should have taken a stepladder and a closeup lens to Brodhead in 2006
or 2008.
Thanks, Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:41 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
>
>
>I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good about
it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time, so I
took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look it over in
the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to install control pulleys
and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
>
>We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that there
is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is pretty
good.
>
>I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the right
wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting assembly
on the let panel.
>
>Here are a few photos.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365
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| Subject: | Re: First Major Milestone |
Thanks for the nice comments fellas. For those that want to see most of my build
photos... you can go to my logbook site (posted below in my signature). I've
tried to keep it current and relevant to the project, but there are a few "shop"
entries that pertain to equipment and such.
For those that may not be familiar with mykitlog.com, just click on the link below
and when you get to my main page click the ALL link on the right side menu.
That will display all of my entries since I've started my project and you can
quickly browse for titles and which ones have photos. I do have larger photos
available for anyone that is interested in specific details. Perhaps Chris
would let me post some of my photos on West Coast Piet? Maybe I'll shoot him
a note tonight.
Gary, I got the idea for the vertical wing jig from Tony Bingelis' "Sportplane
Construction Techniques" (pg. 57). It was super easy to build, and if you have
a solid work bench to clamp them to (see my photo above), you won't have to
anchor them to the ceiling. I used a water level and shims to get mine leveled
up and it is working great. Even if space isn't an issue, I think the vertical
configuration allows better access to the entire wing panel. I could be wrong...
won't know until I try the other methods.
Time to make sawdust!
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I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order
your wood from?
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I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply http://www.wicksaircraft.com/
, and some from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Colleran
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood
<bcolleran@comcast.net>
I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order
your wood from?
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| Subject: | Cool altimeter on ebay |
Hi Gang,
For anyone interested, there is an antique 4-1/4" "Height" gauge currently
on Ebay. Item # 270538280371. Price is currently $212.00. Not too bad so
far. I paid a lot more for mine.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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I am flying my hours off and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
handles. It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM at
2900 rpm. On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate
for landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS
NOT POSSIBLE. I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution. Have
any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work? Thanks
guys, Gardiner Mason
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I too am flying off my hours. Today was my first test of the $3
elevator trim system I installed yesterday. Prior to this I was holding
a lot of back pressure for level flight. I also added 1/2 inch of
offset to the rudder. Now I can fly hands off for a few seconds while
fumbling around changing frequencies, etc. Today was pancake EAA
pancake breakfast day for my chapter. When it came time to land the
wind was blowing 8 kts right down the paved runway. I basically flew it
right down to the pavement at 65 mph and about 1000 rpm. In spite of
the large audience by carrying a little power I was able to do a nice
wheel landing that was heard more than felt, pulled the throttle, pushed
the stick forward, and still only rolled out about 150 ft. My flight
advisor suggested wheel landings, and I think they are best done with a
little power on.
Only 19 hours to go!
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
On 3/6/2010 7:04 PM, airlion wrote:
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> I am flying my hours off and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
handles. It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM
at 2900 rpm. On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate
for landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS
NOT POSSIBLE. I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution.
Have any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work? Thanks
guys, Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
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Big Jim knows what engine your supposed to put on a Pietenpol, ha ha ha
(That's a Corvair if you didn't know)
Shad
PS looking forward to getting my ohio piet fly-in planning started, June 19th I
think I said, Whatever the day before father's day is.
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I got mine from Aircraft Spruce. Aside from one minor, and one not so minor problem,
the material is great. For the record (for those that weren't reading
the mail a few months ago), Aircraft Spruce quickly took care of both issues.
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If you're close to Madison, WI, check out McCormick's Lumber.
On 03/06/2010 12:06 PM, William Colleran wrote:
> <bcolleran@comcast.net>
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> I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order your
> wood from?
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Oh, and I recently heard a rumor that The Hardwood Connection in
Sycamore, IL carries aircraft grade spruce.
Dan
On 03/06/2010 12:06 PM, William Colleran wrote:
> <bcolleran@comcast.net>
>
> I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order your
> wood from?
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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William,
Those who have been on this list for a while know that I would be remiss if
I did not point out that you are not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have
Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, including the ribs. All was
bought at a local hardwood supplier for under $300.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Colleran
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood
<bcolleran@comcast.net>
I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order
your wood from?
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All,
I submit for your critique 2 comps I have created.
These can be resized and placed almost anywhere.
enjoy
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"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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| Subject: | Re: Coverall Comps |
The Pietenpol coverall graphic is very appealing to me. I love the "pulled from
an angel" look of the wings and the "circus" look of the script. I'd like to
hear more from others.
Do I understand that a fellow could iron this on his plane in one version, and
on his coveralls in another, adjusting for size? Are these to be vinyl or what?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: mr-fix-all <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
>Sent: Mar 6, 2010 8:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps
>
>
>All,
>
>I submit for your critique 2 comps I have created.
>These can be resized and placed almost anywhere.
>
>
>enjoy
>
>--------
>"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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Ben,
I'm waiting with baited breath, to hear the flying data on the 612 wings that are
in the works. The glide is not anyway near the glide you are experiencing ,
nor the sink rate as fast.
Pieti Lowell
]
I am flying my hours off and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
handles. It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM at
2900 rpm. On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate
for landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS
NOT POSSIBLE. I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution.
Have any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work? Thanks
guys, Gardiner Mason
[/quote][/quote]
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| Subject: | Re: Coverall Comps |
It is possible that you could have these made into a heat transfer, these are possible
silkscreenings for the coveralls that have been discussed here.
With some research I could silk screen this onto a fabric swatch that could be
affixed to your finished craft.
I will be posting other comps as I complete them.
Jake
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| Subject: | Re: Coverall Comps |
i would love to have 2 of each that could be made into t-shirts! heat transfer
or silkscreen
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Coverall Comps |
Here is my 3rd spin
Jake
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If you down a ways on this page you will see a chart
of wood strength and weight;
http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
My plane is entirely Western Hemlock with Fir Landing
Gear and Cabanes. I have found 1" wide Fir planks for my
Spars.
Clif
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new
eyes.
-Marcel Proust -
> William,
you are not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have
> Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, including the ribs. All was
> bought at a local hardwood supplier for under $300.
>
> Gary Boothe
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Cliff,
Where did you go to find that wood?
Thanks
Mike Townsley
Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> If you down a ways on this page you will see a chart
> of wood strength and weight;
>
> http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
>
> My plane is entirely Western Hemlock with Fir Landing
> Gear and Cabanes. I have found 1" wide Fir planks for my
> Spars.
>
> Clif
>
> The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes, but in
> having new eyes.
> -Marcel Proust -
>
>
>> William,
> you are not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have
>> Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, including the ribs. All
>> was bought at a local hardwood supplier for under $300.
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>
>
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The longerons and wing rib caps are carefully chosen
trim material from lumber yards. I was extremely
picky so I made regular rounds to five yards. The
spar material is very unusual and only comes in 5"
and 6" widths. I found it in a higher end place that
carries better materials usually.
The longerons are 1 1/16" square stuff that is used as
a backing when building up fancy, complicated
moldings.
Clif
>
> Cliff,
> Where did you go to find that wood?
> Thanks
> Mike Townsley
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