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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Rib Stitching Tail Surfaces (gliderx5@comcast.net)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Piet search (Jerry Dotson)
3. 06:51 AM - Re: V speeds (gcardinal)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: V speeds (Jeff Boatright)
5. 09:50 AM - Re: V speeds (airlion)
6. 10:07 AM - Re: V speeds (Jack Phillips)
7. 10:51 AM - Glue or screw instrument board (at7000ft)
8. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: V speeds (Jack)
9. 11:06 AM - Re: Glue or screw instrument board (David Paule)
10. 01:21 PM - Front fuse question (Mark Roberts)
11. 02:56 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Ben Charvet)
12. 03:00 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Gary Boothe)
13. 03:00 PM - Re: Glue or screw instrument board (Ben Charvet)
14. 03:42 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Rick Holland)
15. 05:14 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Pieti Lowell)
16. 05:43 PM - fuel tank (skellytown flyer)
17. 05:50 PM - gorilla glue one more time (Dick N)
18. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: V speeds (Jack Phillips)
19. 06:44 PM - Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (David Paule)
20. 06:49 PM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Jack Phillips)
21. 06:59 PM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Wayne Bressler)
22. 07:05 PM - Re: gorilla glue one more time (Rick Holland)
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching Tail Surfaces |
Thanks for the replies. I started rib stitching last night. It took about 6 stitches
to get the hang of it. I'll continue today and see how far I get.
Malcolm Morrison
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I found this on the FAA web site. The picture was on airport-data site.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Hi Jeff,
NX18235 is equipped with an uncalibrated Johnson Airspeed indicator. I fly
it by feel more than by reference to the airspeed indicator but here are my
WAG's:
Vso = 28 -32 mph
Vx = 50 mph
Vy = 55 mph
Vno = 72 - 75 mph
Vne = At 100 mph the controls tighten up and the airplane is telling me to
"Back off, fool!"
Vref = 50 - 55 mph
Va = 65 mph
Again, these numbers are based on "feel" and not on any kind of scientific
testing.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:23 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
>
> Just because it's too windy and rainy to fly today, I'm goint to stir the
> pot:
>
> What are you using for Vso, Vx, Vy, Vno, Vne, Vref, Va, etc. and what are
> your numbers based on?
>
>
>
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Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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How many vg's and dimples did you have to add to get those speeds? Gardiner
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From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 11:25:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Note that this is an "indicated" speed. My indicated stall speed is 29 mph,
but as referenced with a GPS, it is really about 35 mph. I agree with Greg
with his speeds. Mine are about the same. I have never had mine anywhere
close to 100 mph. It starts feeling weird about 90.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Boatright
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Glue or screw instrument board |
How many of you guys who have completed Piets with glued in instrument boards (panels)
later wished you would have screwed it in instead? (So you could easily
install a different board with a different layout, etc). I have made 4 different
panels using Home Depot ply to get a layout I "think" works, but until I
fly this thing I can't know for sure.
thanks
rick
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Jack and or others...Is there a better place to mount the pitot for improved
accuracy? Longer better?
Thanks, sunny and 45 hear finally!
Jack
DSM
Note that this is an "indicated" speed. My indicated stall speed is 29 mph,
but as referenced with a GPS, it is really about 35 mph. I agree with Greg
with his speeds. Mine are about the same. I have never had mine anywhere
close to 100 mph. It starts feeling weird about 90.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Glue or screw instrument board |
It will be somewhat difficult to make such a change due to the connections
required.
Suggestions abound. Here are mine:
a) Ask people what they like and don't like about their own panels, and give
yours the benefit of the lessons they learned.
b) Fly a few rental planes and see what you like.
Personally, and I don't have a Pietenpol so this might not suit you, I like
the airspeed on the upper left, with the tachometer near it. The altimeter
should be in the area. I like the compass in the top middle, and the systems
information gauges where ever it's handy to place them.
David Paule
>
> How many of you guys who have completed Piets with glued in instrument
> boards (panels) later wished you would have screwed it in instead? (So you
> could easily install a different board with a different layout, etc). I
> have made 4 different panels using Home Depot ply to get a layout I
> "think" works, but until I fly this thing I can't know for sure.
>
> thanks
>
> rick
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Subject: | Front fuse question |
OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
nose is not enough.
I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
--The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
Mark
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Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
I glued the plywood firewall to the front while it was still in the jig for joining
the fuselage sides (1/8 inch)
Ben
On Sun Mar 14th, 2010 4:06 PM EDT Mark Roberts wrote:
>OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
>Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
>it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
>assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
>the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
>the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
>bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
>nose is not enough.
>
>I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
>--The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
>
>I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
>I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
>
>Mark
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Subject: | Front fuse question |
Mark,
This is almost built to plans. What are the dowels for? That was an idea
that I got from Jim Boyer. They are locating dowels for the wood fire wall,
which I probably had off and on 100 times! (seemed like it).
Here you can see that eventually it all ties together with the fire wall
glued on and hoop over the top, similar to Jack Phillips.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front fuse question
OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
nose is not enough.
I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
--The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
Mark
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Subject: | Re: Glue or screw instrument board |
I screwed mine on for that reason. Who knows what kind of glass cockpit I might
install later ;)
Ben
On Sun Mar 14th, 2010 1:50 PM EDT at7000ft wrote:
>
>How many of you guys who have completed Piets with glued in instrument boards
(panels) later wished you would have screwed it in instead? (So you could easily
install a different board with a different layout, etc). I have made 4 different
panels using Home Depot ply to get a layout I "think" works, but until I
fly this thing I can't know for sure.
>
>thanks
>
>rick
>
>--------
>Rick Holland
>
>
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>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290294#290294
>
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Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
Correct Mark, just the bottom ply, the ash cross member, and then the
firewall holds it all together. I also thought it was strange that no
front cross members were needed between the top longerons and another
between the bottom longerons. And if you are not using a Model A
engine even the ash cross member doesn't seem to be needed (but most
everyone leaves it in there anyhow), I found it useful for a front
fuel tank support and a solid support to attach my battery box on the
firewall.
rick
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
> Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
> it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
> assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
> the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
> the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
> bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
> nose is not enough.
>
> I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
> --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
>
> I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
> I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
>
> Mark
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
Mark:
If you stick to the plans. as my Piet was built. the following engines were mounted.
Ford A. Ford B, Warner 145 ( 500 ) cu In. back to Ford B With Weber Carb,
Lambert 90 HP, again back to Ford B w/ fuel injection.
All were mounted on the original fire wall design and engine mounts and Never a
loose joint or an item of concern. Keep in mind all the necessary other items
that require changes with each engine.
Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation adjusted.
Pieti Lowell
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I am not contemplating doing anything additional right now to prolong my build,
but another build site has been talking about making fuel tanks and the method
of using galvanized sheet metal and putting it together with screws and soldering
over the seams and screws seemed to be a logical method to me. I plan at
some point on making a tank I could fit up in my center wing section and gravity
feeding to the main tank. wouldn't hold a lot but 4 or 5 gallons would sure
relax the time before needing to land. i get a little nervous if I'm flying
strange country with less than an hour's reserve.just thought I'd bring up the
method in case anybody has wondered about tank construction. Raymond
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Subject: | gorilla glue one more time |
Sorry for bringing it up again, but I went out and bought a Volmer
Sportsman that had been finished in 1967. The rear end had been sitting
in the snow and had gotten quite saturated. The man I bought it from
said he had done some repairs to the rear end of the plane with Gorilla
glue. For anyone who is interested, I will bring some samples of this
along with me to Sun n Fun. I will cut up some small sections and who
ever wants to can try disassembling on your own. From what I've seen, I
am not at all impreessed. IN FACT I WOULD SAY DO NOT USE IT.
Dick N.
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Better than what? Where are you planning on mounting it? Mine is under the
left wing, secured to the jury strut and extends about a foot in front of
the leading edge. The problem with a fixed pitot tube is that at high
angles of attack it doesn't see the full ram air pressure so it reads low at
high angles of attack. Not really a problem as you get used to seeing what
the airspeed indicator reads and fly accordingly.
In reality, I fly the Pietenpol much more by feel at high AoA. The airplane
talks to you very clearly.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
Jack and or others...Is there a better place to mount the pitot for improved
accuracy? Longer better?
Thanks, sunny and 45 hear finally!
Jack
DSM
Note that this is an "indicated" speed. My indicated stall speed is 29 mph,
but as referenced with a GPS, it is really about 35 mph. I agree with Greg
with his speeds. Mine are about the same. I have never had mine anywhere
close to 100 mph. It starts feeling weird about 90.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question |
You'd be in good company. According to the March 8th issue of "Aviation Week
and Space Technology," page 30, Boeing is planning to use two Ford Ranger
pickup engines, set up to use liquid hydrogen for fuel, to power their
Phantom Eye demonstrator. The airplane has a wingspan of 153 feet and a
length of 53 feet, and is supposed to fly at 60,000 feet for 96 hours. And
this thing isn't even full size. It's 60% or 70% scale.
Guess someone there knows about flying Ford engines....
David Paule
> Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
> adjusted.
> Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question |
I think the Ranger Pieti was talking about was a Ranger aircraft engine, an
inverted inline 6 cylinder, used to power the Fairchild 22, the Fairchild
24, the PT-19 and other airplanes. Not a Ford pickup truck engine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:43 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question
You'd be in good company. According to the March 8th issue of "Aviation Week
and Space Technology," page 30, Boeing is planning to use two Ford Ranger
pickup engines, set up to use liquid hydrogen for fuel, to power their
Phantom Eye demonstrator. The airplane has a wingspan of 153 feet and a
length of 53 feet, and is supposed to fly at 60,000 feet for 96 hours. And
this thing isn't even full size. It's 60% or 70% scale.
Guess someone there knows about flying Ford engines....
David Paule
> Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
> adjusted.
> Pieti Lowell
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Subject: | Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question |
Isn't there a four-cylinder Ranger, too?
(aviation, not truck)
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:48 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> >
>
> I think the Ranger Pieti was talking about was a Ranger aircraft
> engine, an
> inverted inline 6 cylinder, used to power the Fairchild 22, the
> Fairchild
> 24, the PT-19 and other airplanes. Not a Ford pickup truck engine.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> David Paule
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:43 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question
>
>
> You'd be in good company. According to the March 8th issue of
> "Aviation Week
>
> and Space Technology," page 30, Boeing is planning to use two Ford
> Ranger
> pickup engines, set up to use liquid hydrogen for fuel, to power their
> Phantom Eye demonstrator. The airplane has a wingspan of 153 feet
> and a
> length of 53 feet, and is supposed to fly at 60,000 feet for 96
> hours. And
> this thing isn't even full size. It's 60% or 70% scale.
>
> Guess someone there knows about flying Ford engines....
>
> David Paule
>
>
>> Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
>> adjusted.
>> Pieti Lowell
>
>
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Subject: | Re: gorilla glue one more time |
I agree Dick, I glued my mock fuselage together with a poly glue like
Gorilla glue. It has been sitting outside for a couple years and every
month more piece fall off of it as the glue kind of dissolves.
rick
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> Sorry for bringing it up again, but I went out and bought a Volmer Sportsman
> that had been finished in 1967. The rear end had been sitting in the snow
> and had gotten quite saturated. The man I bought it from said he had done
> some repairs to the rear end of the plane with Gorilla glue. For anyone who
> is interested, I will bring some samples of this along with me to Sun n
> Fun. I will cut up some small sections and who ever wants to can try
> disassembling on your own. >From what I've seen, I am not at all
> impreessed.INFACT I WOULD SAY DONOT USE IT.
>
> Dick N.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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