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     1. 05:50 AM - Re: Rib Stitching Tail Surfaces (gliderx5@comcast.net)
     2. 06:08 AM - Re: Piet search (Jerry Dotson)
     3. 06:51 AM - Re: V speeds (gcardinal)
     4. 07:50 AM - Re: V speeds (Jeff Boatright)
     5. 09:50 AM - Re: V speeds (airlion)
     6. 10:07 AM - Re: V speeds (Jack Phillips)
     7. 10:51 AM - Glue or screw instrument board (at7000ft)
     8. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: V speeds (Jack)
     9. 11:06 AM - Re: Glue or screw instrument board (David Paule)
    10. 01:21 PM - Front fuse question (Mark Roberts)
    11. 02:56 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Ben Charvet)
    12. 03:00 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Gary Boothe)
    13. 03:00 PM - Re: Glue or screw instrument board (Ben Charvet)
    14. 03:42 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Rick Holland)
    15. 05:14 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Pieti Lowell)
    16. 05:43 PM - fuel tank (skellytown flyer)
    17. 05:50 PM - gorilla glue one more time (Dick N)
    18. 06:42 PM - Re: Re: V speeds (Jack Phillips)
    19. 06:44 PM - Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (David Paule)
    20. 06:49 PM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Jack Phillips)
    21. 06:59 PM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Wayne Bressler)
    22. 07:05 PM - Re: gorilla glue one more time (Rick Holland)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Rib Stitching Tail Surfaces | 
      
      Thanks for the replies. I started rib stitching last night. It took about 6 stitches
      to get the hang of it. I'll continue today and see how far I get. 
      
      Malcolm Morrison 
      
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      I found this on the FAA web site. The picture was on airport-data site.
      
      --------
      Jerry Dotson
      59 Daniel Johnson Rd
      Baker, FL 32531
      
      Started building  NX510JD  July, 2009
      Ribs and tailfeathers done
      using Lycoming O-235
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290276#290276
      
      
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      Hi Jeff,
      
      NX18235 is equipped with an uncalibrated Johnson Airspeed indicator. I fly 
      it by feel more than by reference to the airspeed indicator but here are my 
      WAG's:
      
      Vso = 28 -32 mph
      Vx  = 50 mph
      Vy  = 55 mph
      Vno = 72 - 75 mph
      Vne = At 100 mph the controls tighten up and the airplane is telling me to 
      "Back off, fool!"
      Vref = 50 - 55 mph
      Va = 65 mph
      
      Again, these numbers are based on "feel" and not on any kind of scientific 
      testing.
      
      Greg Cardinal
      Minneapolis
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Jeff Boatright" <jboatri@emory.edu>
      Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:23 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
      
      
      >
      > Just because it's too windy and rainy to fly today, I'm goint to stir the 
      > pot:
      >
      > What are you using for Vso, Vx, Vy, Vno, Vne, Vref, Va, etc. and what are 
      > your numbers based on?
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
      
      
      -- 
      
      Jeff Boatright
      "Now let's think about this..."
      
      
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      How many vg's and dimples did you have to add to get those speeds?  Gardiner
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
      Sent: Sun, March 14, 2010 11:25:59 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
      
      
      Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
      
      
      -- 
      Jeff Boatright
      "Now let's think about this..."
      
      
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      Note that this is an "indicated" speed.  My indicated stall speed is 29 mph,
      but as referenced with a GPS, it is really about 35 mph.  I agree with Greg
      with his speeds.  Mine are about the same.  I have never had mine anywhere
      close to 100 mph.  It starts feeling weird about 90.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
      Boatright
      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
      
      
      Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
      
      
      --
      
      Jeff Boatright
      "Now let's think about this..."
      
      
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| Subject:  | Glue or screw instrument board | 
      
      
      How many of you guys who have completed Piets with glued in instrument boards (panels)
      later wished you would have screwed it in instead? (So you could easily
      install a different board with a different layout, etc). I have made 4 different
      panels using Home Depot ply to get a layout I "think" works, but until I
      fly this thing I can't know for sure.
      
      thanks
      
      rick
      
      --------
      Rick Holland
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290294#290294
      
      
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      Jack and or others...Is there a better place to mount the pitot for improved
      accuracy?  Longer better?
      Thanks, sunny and 45 hear finally!
      Jack
      DSM
      
      Note that this is an "indicated" speed.  My indicated stall speed is 29 mph,
      but as referenced with a GPS, it is really about 35 mph.  I agree with Greg
      with his speeds.  Mine are about the same.  I have never had mine anywhere
      close to 100 mph.  It starts feeling weird about 90.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
      Boatright
      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
      
      
      Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
      
      
      --
      
      Jeff Boatright
      "Now let's think about this..."
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Glue or screw instrument board | 
      
      
      It will be somewhat difficult to make such a change due to the connections 
      required.
      
      Suggestions abound. Here are mine:
      
      a) Ask people what they like and don't like about their own panels, and give 
      yours the benefit of the lessons they learned.
      
      b) Fly a few rental planes and see what you like.
      
      Personally, and I don't have a Pietenpol so this might not suit you, I like 
      the airspeed on the upper left, with the tachometer near it. The altimeter 
      should be in the area. I like the compass in the top middle, and the systems 
      information gauges where ever it's handy to place them.
      
      David Paule
      
      
      >
      > How many of you guys who have completed Piets with glued in instrument 
      > boards (panels) later wished you would have screwed it in instead? (So you 
      > could easily install a different board with a different layout, etc). I 
      > have made 4 different panels using Home Depot ply to get a layout I 
      > "think" works, but until I fly this thing I can't know for sure.
      >
      > thanks
      >
      > rick
      
      
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| Subject:  | Front fuse question | 
      
      OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
      Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
      it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
      assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
      the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
      the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
      bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
      nose is not enough.
      
      I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
      --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
      
      I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
      I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
      
      Mark
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Front fuse question | 
      
      
      I glued the plywood firewall to the front while it was still in the jig for joining
      the fuselage sides (1/8 inch)
      
      Ben
      
      On Sun Mar 14th, 2010 4:06 PM EDT Mark Roberts wrote:
      
      >OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
      >Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
      >it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
      >assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
      >the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
      >the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
      >bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
      >nose is not enough.
      >
      >I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
      >--The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
      >
      >I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
      >I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
      >
      >Mark
      
      
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| Subject:  | Front fuse question | 
      
      Mark,
      
      
      This is almost built to plans. What are the dowels for? That was an idea
      that I got from Jim Boyer. They are locating dowels for the wood fire wall,
      which I probably had off and on 100 times! (seemed like it).
      
      
      Here you can see that eventually it all ties together with the fire wall
      glued on and hoop over the top, similar to Jack Phillips.
      
      
      Gary Boothe 
      
      Cool, Ca. 
      
      Pietenpol 
      
      WW Corvair Conversion, mounted 
      
      Tail done, Fuselage on gear 
      
      (18 ribs down.) 
      
      ________________________________________
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
      
      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:07 PM
      
      
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front fuse question
      
      
      OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
      Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
      it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
      assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
      the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
      the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
      bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
      nose is not enough.
      
      
      I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
      --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
      
      
      I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
      I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)  
      
      
      Mark
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Glue or screw instrument board | 
      
      
      I screwed mine on for that reason. Who knows what kind of glass cockpit I might
      install later ;)
      
      Ben
      
      On Sun Mar 14th, 2010 1:50 PM EDT at7000ft wrote:
      
      >
      >How many of you guys who have completed Piets with glued in instrument boards
      (panels) later wished you would have screwed it in instead? (So you could easily
      install a different board with a different layout, etc). I have made 4 different
      panels using Home Depot ply to get a layout I "think" works, but until I
      fly this thing I can't know for sure.
      >
      >thanks
      >
      >rick
      >
      >--------
      >Rick Holland
      >
      >
      >Read this topic online here:
      >
      >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290294#290294
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Front fuse question | 
      
      
      Correct Mark, just the bottom ply, the ash cross member, and then the
      firewall holds it all together. I also thought it was strange that no
      front cross members were needed between the top longerons and another
      between the bottom longerons. And if you are not using a Model A
      engine even the ash cross member doesn't seem to be needed (but most
      everyone leaves it in there anyhow), I found it useful for a front
      fuel tank support and a solid support to attach my battery box on the
      firewall.
      
      rick
      
      On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
      > OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
      > Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't figure
      > it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'm
      > assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else holds
      > the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides of
      > the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
      > bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at the
      > nose is not enough.
      >
      > I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
      > --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
      >
      > I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to build.
      > I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
      >
      > Mark
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      Rick Holland
      Castle Rock, Colorado
      
      "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Front fuse question | 
      
      
      Mark:
      If you stick to the plans. as my Piet was built. the following engines were mounted.
      Ford A. Ford B, Warner 145 ( 500 ) cu In. back to Ford B With Weber Carb,
      Lambert 90 HP, again back to Ford B w/ fuel injection. 
      All were mounted on the original fire wall design and engine mounts and Never a
      loose joint or an item of concern. Keep in mind all the necessary other items
      that require changes with each engine. 
      Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation adjusted.
      Pieti Lowell
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290321#290321
      
      
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      I am not contemplating doing anything additional right now to prolong my build,
      but another build site has been talking about making fuel tanks and the method
      of using galvanized sheet metal and putting it together with screws and soldering
      over the seams and screws seemed to be a logical method to me. I plan at
      some point on making a tank I could fit up in my center wing section and gravity
      feeding to the main tank. wouldn't hold a lot but 4 or 5 gallons would sure
      relax the time before needing to land. i get a little nervous if I'm flying
      strange country with less than an hour's reserve.just thought I'd bring up the
      method in case anybody has wondered about tank construction. Raymond
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290324#290324
      
      
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| Subject:  | gorilla glue one more time | 
      
      Sorry for bringing it up again, but I went out and bought a Volmer 
      Sportsman that had been finished in 1967.  The rear end had been sitting 
      in the snow and had gotten quite saturated.  The man I bought it from 
      said he had done some repairs to the rear end of the plane with Gorilla 
      glue.  For anyone who is interested, I will bring some samples of this 
      along with me to Sun n Fun.  I will cut up some small sections and who 
      ever wants to can try disassembling on your own.  From what I've seen, I 
      am not at all impreessed.  IN FACT I WOULD SAY DO NOT USE IT.
      
      Dick N.
      
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      Better than what?  Where are you planning on mounting it?  Mine is under the
      left wing, secured to the jury strut and extends about a foot in front of
      the leading edge.  The problem with a fixed pitot tube is that at high
      angles of attack it doesn't see the full ram air pressure so it reads low at
      high angles of attack.  Not really a problem as you get used to seeing what
      the airspeed indicator reads and fly accordingly.
      
      In reality, I fly the Pietenpol much more by feel at high AoA.  The airplane
      talks to you very clearly.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:32 PM
      Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
      
      
      Jack and or others...Is there a better place to mount the pitot for improved
      accuracy?  Longer better?
      Thanks, sunny and 45 hear finally!
      Jack
      DSM
      
      Note that this is an "indicated" speed.  My indicated stall speed is 29 mph,
      but as referenced with a GPS, it is really about 35 mph.  I agree with Greg
      with his speeds.  Mine are about the same.  I have never had mine anywhere
      close to 100 mph.  It starts feeling weird about 90.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
      Boatright
      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 11:26 AM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: V speeds
      
      
      Wow, Vso of 28-32 mph is impressive.
      
      
      --
      
      Jeff Boatright
      "Now let's think about this..."
      
      
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| Subject:  | Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question | 
      
      
      You'd be in good company. According to the March 8th issue of "Aviation Week 
      and Space Technology," page 30, Boeing is planning to use two Ford Ranger 
      pickup engines, set up to use liquid hydrogen for fuel, to power their 
      Phantom Eye demonstrator. The airplane has a wingspan of 153 feet and a 
      length of 53 feet, and is supposed to fly at 60,000 feet for 96 hours. And 
      this thing isn't even full size. It's 60% or 70% scale.
      
      Guess someone there knows about flying Ford engines....
      
      David Paule
      
      
      > Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation 
      > adjusted.
      > Pieti Lowell
      
      
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| Subject:  | Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question | 
      
      
      I think the Ranger Pieti was talking about was a Ranger aircraft engine, an
      inverted inline 6 cylinder, used to power the Fairchild 22, the Fairchild
      24, the PT-19 and other airplanes.  Not a Ford pickup truck engine.
      
      Jack Phillips
      NX899JP
      Raleigh, NC
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
      Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:43 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question
      
      
      You'd be in good company. According to the March 8th issue of "Aviation Week
      
      and Space Technology," page 30, Boeing is planning to use two Ford Ranger
      pickup engines, set up to use liquid hydrogen for fuel, to power their
      Phantom Eye demonstrator. The airplane has a wingspan of 153 feet and a
      length of 53 feet, and is supposed to fly at 60,000 feet for 96 hours. And
      this thing isn't even full size. It's 60% or 70% scale.
      
      Guess someone there knows about flying Ford engines....
      
      David Paule
      
      
      > Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
      > adjusted.
      > Pieti Lowell
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question | 
      
      
      Isn't there a four-cylinder Ranger, too?
      
      (aviation, not truck)
      
      Wayne Bressler Jr.
      Taildraggers, Inc.
      taildraggersinc.com
      
      On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:48 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>  
      wrote:
      
      > >
      >
      > I think the Ranger Pieti was talking about was a Ranger aircraft  
      > engine, an
      > inverted inline 6 cylinder, used to power the Fairchild 22, the  
      > Fairchild
      > 24, the PT-19 and other airplanes.  Not a Ford pickup truck engine.
      >
      > Jack Phillips
      > NX899JP
      > Raleigh, NC
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of  
      > David Paule
      > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:43 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question
      >
      >
      > You'd be in good company. According to the March 8th issue of  
      > "Aviation Week
      >
      > and Space Technology," page 30, Boeing is planning to use two Ford  
      > Ranger
      > pickup engines, set up to use liquid hydrogen for fuel, to power their
      > Phantom Eye demonstrator. The airplane has a wingspan of 153 feet  
      > and a
      > length of 53 feet, and is supposed to fly at 60,000 feet for 96  
      > hours. And
      > this thing isn't even full size. It's 60% or 70% scale.
      >
      > Guess someone there knows about flying Ford engines....
      >
      > David Paule
      >
      >
      >> Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
      >> adjusted.
      >> Pieti Lowell
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: gorilla glue one more time | 
      
      
      I agree Dick, I glued my mock fuselage together with a poly glue like
      Gorilla glue. It has been sitting outside for a couple years and every
      month more piece fall off of it as the glue kind of dissolves.
      
      rick
      
      On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
      > Sorry for bringing it up again, but I went out and bought a Volmer Sportsman
      > that had been finished in 1967. The rear end had been sitting in the snow
      > and had gotten quite saturated. The man I bought it from said he had done
      > some repairs to the rear end of the plane with Gorilla glue. For anyone who
      > is interested, I will bring some samples of this along with me to Sun n
      > Fun. I will cut up some small sections and who ever wants to can try
      > disassembling on your own. >From what I've seen, I am not at all
      > impreessed.INFACT I WOULD SAY DONOT USE IT.
      >
      > Dick N.
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      Rick Holland
      Castle Rock, Colorado
      
      "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
      
      
 
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