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1. 12:37 AM - Re: Re: Front fuse question (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Jerry Dotson)
3. 09:04 AM - Re: Front fuse question (Mark Roberts)
4. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Front fuse question (Rick Holland)
5. 01:53 PM - Re: Front fuse question (taildrags)
6. 03:00 PM - Re: Front fuse question (V Groah)
7. 03:04 PM - Re: Front fuse question (Rick Holland)
8. 03:04 PM - Suzuki engine for only $17,000 ! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
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| Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
Lot's of Rangers around Victoria ( Vancouver
Island) in the 60's. Damn near every oval car
had one, inverted and all. Also one with a 985
P&W! That didn't last long though.
Pat Bay , aka Victoria International, was and still
is a busy av hub. Not only is the new Dehaviland
Twin Otter being built there but Victoria Airmotive
annuals an awful lot of warbirds. I even saw a
Tigercat there a while back. Quite a bit of Dean
Sevold's Piet testing was done off the original
ramp, now used by the flying club, museum and
Otter folks. The place is known for simultanious
operations!
Clif, getting closer, battery now installed.
> Mark:
> Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
> adjusted.
> Pieti Lowell
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| Subject: | Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question |
Steve Wittman had a 4 cylinder inverted Menasco on his race plane "Bonzo".
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Jerry Dotson
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Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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| Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
Thanks guys. I guess it will all seem strong enough when I build it, but it
would seem that there would need to be more beef up there for the engine.
However, Gary, your pictures show it well. I had surfed your spot on West
coast Piet before posting the question, and that is where I saw the ash
piece for the first time.
Just a quick follow up: the piece on the bottom of the fuse is there to
stabilize the flooring I am guessing? It doesn't look like it is glued to
the metal motor mounts, so I am assuming it doesn't provide the support for
anything other than stabilizing the plywood at the very end of the
flooring..?
Thanks for the clarification guys!
Mark
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Correct Mark, just the bottom ply, the ash cross member, and then the
> firewall holds it all together. I also thought it was strange that no
> front cross members were needed between the top longerons and another
> between the bottom longerons. And if you are not using a Model A
> engine even the ash cross member doesn't seem to be needed (but most
> everyone leaves it in there anyhow), I found it useful for a front
> fuel tank support and a solid support to attach my battery box on the
> firewall.
>
> rick
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
> > Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't
> figure
> > it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located
> (I'm
> > assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else
> holds
> > the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides
> of
> > the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
> > bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at
> the
> > nose is not enough.
> >
> > I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
> > --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
> >
> > I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to
> build.
> > I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
Great idea Cliff, instead of a battery box hanging on the firewall a
battery stand behind it, nice wood work.
rick
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Lot's of Rangers around Victoria ( Vancouver
> Island) in the 60's. Damn near every oval car
> had one, inverted and all. Also one with a 985
> P&W! That didn't last long though.
>
> Pat Bay , aka Victoria International, was and still
> is a busy av hub. Not only is the new Dehaviland
> Twin Otter being built there but Victoria Airmotive
> annuals an awful lot of warbirds. I even saw a
> Tigercat there a while back. Quite a bit of Dean
> Sevold's Piet testing was done off the original
> ramp, now used by the flying club, museum and
> Otter folks. The place is known for simultanious
> operations!
>
> Clif, getting closer, battery now installed.
>
>> Mark:
>> Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation
>> adjusted.
>> Pieti Lowell
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
Real Piets don't need batteries ;o) (although some purists would say, 'real Piets
use antifreeze').
Very nice work though! Interesting that you have a rudder bar in the front cockpit.
Does that mean you used individual pedals in the pilot's cockpit?
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Front fuse question |
Mark=2C
Our Piet is the long one with a Corvair built to plan. We are just 45 minu
te drive from you. You would be wecome to come and look at how things go t
ogether anytime. We would enjoy another visit. You could photo anything y
ou wish. Come and see us. Vic and Mike MX414MV
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front fuse question
From: mark.rbrts1@gmail.com
Thanks guys. I guess it will all seem strong enough when I build it=2C but
it would seem that there would need to be more beef up there for the engine
. However=2C Gary=2C your pictures show it well. I had surfed your spot on
West coast Piet before posting the question=2C and that is where I saw the
ash piece for the first time.
Just a quick follow up: the piece on the bottom of the fuse is there to sta
bilize the flooring I am guessing? It doesn't look like it is glued to the
metal motor mounts=2C so I am assuming it doesn't provide the support for a
nything other than stabilizing the plywood at the very end of the flooring.
.?
Thanks for the clarification guys!
Mark
On Sun=2C Mar 14=2C 2010 at 3:42 PM=2C Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wr
ote:
Correct Mark=2C just the bottom ply=2C the ash cross member=2C and then the
firewall holds it all together. I also thought it was strange that no
front cross members were needed between the top longerons and another
between the bottom longerons. And if you are not using a Model A
engine even the ash cross member doesn't seem to be needed (but most
everyone leaves it in there anyhow)=2C I found it useful for a front
fuel tank support and a solid support to attach my battery box on the
firewall.
rick
On Sun=2C Mar 14=2C 2010 at 4:06 PM=2C Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
wrote:
> OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
> Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't fig
ure
> it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located (I'
m
> assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons=2C what else h
olds
> the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides o
f
> the bottom (and top) longerons=2C so trying to glue a cross member at the
> bottom of the fuse is pointless=2C and I would think one cross member at
the
> nose is not enough.
>
> I know I am missing it=2C but is there only one cross member at the nose?
> --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
>
> I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to bui
ld.
> I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
>
> Mark
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock=2C Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers=2C that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Front fuse question |
That bottom front piece just provides more surface to glue the bottom
of the firewall to. (Sorry about ending that sentence with a
preposition but I am too lazy right now to make it grammatically
correct).
rick
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks guys. I guess it will all seem strong enough when I build it, but it
> would seem that there would need to be more beef up there for the engine.
> However, Gary, your pictures show it well. I had surfed your spot on West
> coast Piet before posting the question, and that is where I saw the ash
> piece for the first time.
>
> Just a quick follow up: the piece on the bottom of the fuse is there to
> stabilize the flooring I am guessing? It doesn't look like it is glued to
> the metal motor mounts, so I am assuming it doesn't provide the support for
> anything other than stabilizing the plywood at the very end of the
> flooring..?
>
> Thanks for the clarification guys!
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Correct Mark, just the bottom ply, the ash cross member, and then the
>> firewall holds it all together. I also thought it was strange that no
>> front cross members were needed between the top longerons and another
>> between the bottom longerons. And if you are not using a Model A
>> engine even the ash cross member doesn't seem to be needed (but most
>> everyone leaves it in there anyhow), I found it useful for a front
>> fuel tank support and a solid support to attach my battery box on the
>> firewall.
>>
>> rick
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > OK... After looking at the plans and as many online pics from West Coast
>> > Piet (thanks Chris!) I am finally asking the question here as I can't
>> > figure
>> > it out myself: Besides the 1.25" x1.5" white ash cross member located
>> > (I'm
>> > assuming) approx 4.75" below the top of the Fuse Longerons, what else
>> > holds
>> > the fuse together at the nose? The engine mount brackets line the sides
>> > of
>> > the bottom (and top) longerons, so trying to glue a cross member at the
>> > bottom of the fuse is pointless, and I would think one cross member at
>> > the
>> > nose is not enough.
>> >
>> > I know I am missing it, but is there only one cross member at the nose?
>> > --The white ash piece and plywood covering the bottom?
>> >
>> > I am 'building' mine currently in Sketch Up as I still wait for $$ to
>> > build.
>> > I am just glad I got the plans while I could :o)
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick Holland
>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>
>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>
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