---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/17/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Clif Dawson) 2. 01:06 AM - Phase 1 rocks! (Ben Charvet) 3. 01:54 AM - Re: covering (Clif Dawson) 4. 02:53 AM - An aside... (Ryan Mueller) 5. 04:54 AM - Ben's nice landing photo (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 04:57 AM - Re: Phase 1 rocks! (Gene & Tammy) 7. 05:57 AM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Dan Yocum) 8. 06:37 AM - Finally the coming out party! (Thomas Bernie) 9. 06:48 AM - Re: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question (Mike Townsley) 10. 06:48 AM - Re: Finally the coming out party! (Jack Phillips) 11. 07:31 AM - Re: Finally the coming out party! (taildrags) 12. 08:54 AM - Re: covering (Rick Holland) 13. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Front fuse question (Rick Holland) 14. 10:20 AM - Re: Finally the coming out party! (Ben Charvet) 15. 11:09 AM - Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending (Michael Perez) 16. 12:14 PM - Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 17. 01:13 PM - Re: covering (Jeff Boatright) 18. 01:15 PM - Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending (chase143(at)aol.com) 19. 01:15 PM - Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending (chase143(at)aol.com) 20. 02:31 PM - Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending (Michael Perez) 21. 04:10 PM - Re: covering (Rick Holland) 22. 06:42 PM - Re: covering (Jack Phillips) 23. 07:35 PM - Re: covering (Rick Holland) 24. 08:45 PM - GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:15 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question Yes, hot side. Ceramic insulates, time tested in VERY hot environment over 50 years in millions ( no exaggeration ) of Speed Queen driers. Clif > Is this the wiring on the "hot" side to your starter solenoid, and how you > have insulated the hot from the firewall, which may be intentionally > "ground"? > Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:15 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase 1 rocks! With daylight savings time, I was able to get in another hour of flying time this evening. As much fun as building it was, flying is even better. The attached photo was taken at our EAA chapter pancake breakfast. In the past the quality of my landings have been inversely proportional to the number of people watching. This landing was only my 5th or 6th one and the second one on pavement and it was a real good one, inspite of the large audience. Ben Charvet 9.4 hours on the Hobbs only 14.6 more and my wife gets a well-deserved ride Do not archive PS. Get building, guys! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:12 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax that can be pushed aside and the only places close to the edges that are bolted down are the four engine mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be over it as well. I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated accountant. Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-) Clif "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~ Pablo Picasso > > Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage > covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the > firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring. rick >> >> Clif, >> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and >> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric? >> Gary Boothe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: An aside... From: Ryan Mueller I ran across this short article with an interview of astronaut Chris Hadfield.....I think it's pretty interesting: http://www.universetoday.com/2010/03/16/spacewalking-through-an-astronauts-eyes/ I got a kick out of a few sentences that I would imagine could correlate with building and flying your Piet: "A spacewalk is very much like that in that the opening of the hatch is probably step 750 of the day. And steps 1 through 749 were all boring and minuscule and each one was on a checklist and you had to do every one right, so you were very painstaking. But suddenly you do this one step, and suddenly you are in a place that you hadn't conceived how beautiful this could be. How stupefying this could be. And by stupefying I mean, it stops your thought." Have a good evening, Ryan ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:26 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ben's nice landing photo Wow Ben that photo was just perfect of you flaring for landing at your EAA chapter's pancake breakfast. They must be very proud to have a brand new homebuilt on the ramp and doing some flying for them. Really good stuff that is contagious to folks on the edge about wanting to build or just dreaming about building. Like Lindbergh said about a match lighting a bonfire after his historic flight from NYC to Paris in 1927---you never know how your match can ignite the passions in those who see your pretty new Pietenpol at the airport or at fly-in's this summer. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:41 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Phase 1 rocks! Great looking Piet! Good Job! Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Charvet" Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase 1 rocks! > With daylight savings time, I was able to get in another hour of flying > time this evening. As much fun as building it was, flying is even > better. The attached photo was taken at our EAA chapter pancake > breakfast. In the past the quality of my landings have been inversely > proportional to the number of people watching. This landing was only my > 5th or 6th one and the second one on pavement and it was a real good > one, inspite of the large audience. > > Ben Charvet > 9.4 hours on the Hobbs > only 14.6 more and my wife gets a well-deserved ride > > Do not archive > > PS. Get building, guys! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 19:33:00 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:51 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question On 03/14/2010 08:59 PM, Wayne Bressler wrote: > > > Isn't there a four-cylinder Ranger, too? I think this is the one that Lon Dienst put in his Art Chester Jeep replica... I could be wrong. Sounds nice, though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsFBhtxx5M -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:29 AM PST US From: Thomas Bernie Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally the coming out party! Wings coming down from attic next. .. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:24 AM PST US From: Mike Townsley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ranger Power - (was) Front fuse question Hi Dan, It says it is powered by "Powered by a Menasco D4 engine. " Those are rare engines! Mike Townsley Dan Yocum wrote: > > > On 03/14/2010 08:59 PM, Wayne Bressler wrote: >> >> >> Isn't there a four-cylinder Ranger, too? > > I think this is the one that Lon Dienst put in his Art Chester Jeep > replica... I could be wrong. > > Sounds nice, though: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VsFBhtxx5M > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:25 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Finally the coming out party! Looks great! Finally coming out of the closet, huh? Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Bernie Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally the coming out party! Wings coming down from attic next. .. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Finally the coming out party! From: "taildrags" Was there a picture or link posted? I didn't see it with the post. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290605#290605 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering From: Rick Holland I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years project? rick On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > > Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in > passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge > the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an > inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax > that can be pushed aside and the only places close to > the edges that are bolted down are the four engine > mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could > wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw > it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be > over it as well. > I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated > accountant. > Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-) > > Clif > "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~ Pablo > Picasso >> >> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage >> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the >> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring. > > rick >>> >>> Clif, >>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and >>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric? >>> Gary Boothe > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front fuse question From: Rick Holland Churchill would be proud of you Dave. rh On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:08 PM, dgaldrich wrote: > > Ending a sentence with a preposition is the kind of pedantry up with which I will not put. > > Dave > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290533#290533 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:29 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Finally the coming out party! On 3/17/2010 9:31 AM, Thomas Bernie wrote: > Wings coming down from attic next. > > > . Looks good. At that stage I still had about 2 months to go, but you are really close! Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:41 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Horn Bending Here is my method: - After cutting out both halves to be welded, (First picture) shows how I mar ked my bend lines. These lines can be more towards the leading edge if you wish...you can put them any place you like. I did-mine down the centers o f the arms because it was easy to do.- The more bend, the fatter the horn will be. I then clamped them together along the edge and spot welded-fro m side to side front to back so they would not warp. Once held together, I moved the clamps around to hold the halves tight and welded the entire edge , leaving about 2" un-welded-at teach side of the tip. (where the tongue will be inserted.) I marked this piece while holding the horn in place on t he control surface and inserted between the horn halves, then clamped it sh ut and welded. (Pics 2 and 3) - No jig, no fixturing, no problem.-- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:34 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Horn Bending Those are a lot nicer than Jim Markle's horns. (kidding Jim-- you know I'm pulling your chain !) Mike C. PS-- I dug thru the metal dumpster here to steal Mike P's reject horns-----they were nicer than the ones I put on my plane. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:57 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering Rick, I think you're smart to do this. Jeff > >I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the >fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years >project? > >rick > >On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: >> >> Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in >> passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge >> the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an >> inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax >> that can be pushed aside and the only places close to >> the edges that are bolted down are the four engine >> mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could >> wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw >> it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be >> over it as well. >> I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated >> accountant. >> Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-) >> >> Clif >> "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~ Pablo >> Picasso >>> >>> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage >>> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the >>> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring. >> >> rick >>>> >>>> Clif, >>>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and >>>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric? >>>> Gary Boothe >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- >Rick Holland >Castle Rock, Colorado > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Thanks for all the replies and samples, priceless! It's project one for this weekend. Jim - Sorry I missed you, give me a shout next visit. Thanks for the offline contact. Cheers, Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290657#290657 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Elevator Control Horn Bending From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Thanks for all the replies and samples, priceless! It's project one for this weekend. Jim - Sorry I missed you, give me a shout next visit. Thanks for the offline contact. Cheers, Steve -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290658#290658 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:09 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Horn Bending That reminds me...on the plans, the tabs that get cut then bent on the horn s with the bolts that run through them...they are shown way to large on the plans. If you copy the full size template, these openings end up being abo ut an inch or so wide. The wood piece that these tabs slip over on the cont rols is 5/8" - By the way Mike C., if any of those "rejects" of mine end up on Ebay, I wan t at least 50%! --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Elevator Control Horn Bending space Corporation]" Those are a lot nicer than Jim Markle's horns.- ---(kidding Jim-- y ou know I'm pulling your chain !) Mike C. PS-- I dug thru the metal dumpster here to steal Mike P's reject horns----- they were nicer than the ones I put on my plane. le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering From: Rick Holland While on the subject of fuselage covering, did the Bingelis method work for you guys? 4 pieces, bottom first, then each side, then back turtle deck? rick On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Rick, > > I think you're smart to do this. > > Jeff > > >> >> I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the >> fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years >> project? >> >> rick >> >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in >>> passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge >>> the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an >>> inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax >>> that can be pushed aside and the only places close to >>> the edges that are bolted down are the four engine >>> mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could >>> wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw >>> it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be >>> over it as well. >>> I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated >>> accountant. >>> Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-) >>> >>> Clif >>> "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~ >>> Pablo >>> Picasso >>>> >>>> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage >>>> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the >>>> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring. >>> >>> rick >>>>> >>>>> Clif, >>>>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and >>>>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric? >>>>> Gary Boothe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Rick Holland >> Castle Rock, Colorado >> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:24 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering Worked for me. I followed the PolyFiber manual and found it worked well and fabric work was one of the most enjoyable parts of building the airplane. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering While on the subject of fuselage covering, did the Bingelis method work for you guys? 4 pieces, bottom first, then each side, then back turtle deck? rick On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Rick, > > I think you're smart to do this. > > Jeff > > >> >> I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the >> fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years >> project? >> >> rick >> >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in >>> passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge >>> the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an >>> inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax >>> that can be pushed aside and the only places close to >>> the edges that are bolted down are the four engine >>> mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could >>> wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw >>> it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be >>> over it as well. >>> I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated >>> accountant. >>> Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-) >>> >>> Clif >>> "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~ >>> Pablo >>> Picasso >>>> >>>> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage >>>> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the >>>> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring. >>> >>> rick >>>>> >>>>> Clif, >>>>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and >>>>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric? >>>>> Gary Boothe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Rick Holland >> Castle Rock, Colorado >> >> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >> >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering From: Rick Holland Thanks Jack, I recently finishing covering the tail feathers and I agree it is a fun part of the build. rick On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Jack Phillips wrote:Thank > > Worked for me. I followed the PolyFiber manual and found it worked well and > fabric work was one of the most enjoyable parts of building the airplane. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:10 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering > > > While on the subject of fuselage covering, did the Bingelis method > work for you guys? 4 pieces, bottom first, then each side, then back > turtle deck? > > rick > > On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: >> >> Rick, >> >> I think you're smart to do this. >> >> Jeff >> >> >>> >>> I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the >>> fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years >>> project? >>> >>> rick >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in >>>> passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge >>>> the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an >>>> inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax >>>> that can be pushed aside and the only places close to >>>> the edges that are bolted down are the four engine >>>> mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could >>>> wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw >>>> it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be >>>> over it as well. >>>> I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated >>>> accountant. >>>> Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-) >>>> >>>> Clif >>>> "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~ >>>> Pablo >>>> Picasso >>>>> >>>>> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage >>>>> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the >>>>> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring. >>>> >>>> rick >>>>>> >>>>>> Clif, >>>>>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and >>>>>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric? >>>>>> Gary Boothe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rick Holland >>> Castle Rock, Colorado >>> >>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:45:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 cabane length From: "coxwelljon" I don't post often but keep reading as this forum is really helpful. Most questions can be answered with a search, but I have one that needs some clarification. First, I purchased my project partially complete so to some degree I have to live with what I have (to some degree). I am finding a lot of things that I do need to change and must say this process may be more difficult than starting from scratch. Now for my question. My GN-1 plans show the cabanes all the same length in one spot and show the rear cabanes 3/4" longer in another place. I plotted my airfoil in cad so I could get an accurate location of the chord and determine what angle of incidence I have. I will digress here, the wings are done and the fueslage is mostly done and I soon will be covering so I am stuck with the wing attachment hardware unless it is really off. My measurement of the chord line and angle of incidence shows 1.71 degrees positive angle of attack with all four cabanes the same length. (and this was the way mine were built. Actually my cabanes are 2.5" longer than plans) This takes into account the location of the mounting hardware on the spar and its design. If I followed the other section of the plan with the the rear cabanes longer I would only have about 0.3 degrees. Can anyone out there with a GN-1 verify what the cabanes should be? I am working from the hand drawn GN-1 plans. 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