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1. 04:31 AM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (skellytown flyer)
2. 04:43 AM - fuselage covering---four pieces yes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
3. 04:54 AM - A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
4. 05:49 AM - Re: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine (taildrags)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Finally the coming out party! (Tim Willis)
6. 07:08 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Thomas Bernie)
7. 07:09 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 03/06/10 (Ross Alexander)
8. 10:18 AM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon)
10. 11:04 AM - Bending aluminum tubing (Richard Schreiber)
11. 01:57 PM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Bending aluminum tubing (walt)
13. 03:45 PM - Re: covering (Lagowski Morrow)
14. 03:51 PM - West coast Pietenpol Meet (Michael Groah)
15. 03:55 PM - Re: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine (walt)
16. 04:57 PM - Re: Bending aluminum tubing (Rick Holland)
17. 05:31 PM - Re: Bending aluminum tubing (skellytown flyer)
18. 06:50 PM - Re: Bending aluminum tubing (walt)
19. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Tim Willis)
20. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 03/06/10 (H RULE)
21. 06:56 PM - Message for Gene Rambo (helspersew@aol.com)
22. 07:45 PM - Air & Space (dwilson)
23. 07:56 PM - pitot tube location (Oscar Zuniga)
24. 08:08 PM - one man's suggestion for not bending any tubing (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
25. 08:42 PM - Handheld GPS (VanDy)
26. 09:01 PM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon)
27. 09:07 PM - simple LE wing pitot tube installation (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project and
the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he thought
many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with the
wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle is
determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling me.does
that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling so
I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
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| Subject: | fuselage covering---four pieces yes |
Rick,
I used four pieces as well to cover my fuselage ala Tony Bingelis's suggestion
and it worked very
well.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine |
I wonder if this airplane has flown yet ? My guess is that it would
be a single seater for all practical
purposes but who knows.
I e-mailed the person who posted this asking if it has flown yet. Will r
eport back if I hear anything.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0OtA9Du-k
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| Subject: | Re: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine |
The prop sure looks tiny on it. And I notice the brake lines hang out in the breeze
quite a bit. When I ran my brake lines, I tried to hug the back of the
gear legs since I enjoy flying it off the grass and sometimes the grass and weeds
can reach up and grab things pretty good too.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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| Subject: | Re: Finally the coming out party! |
Tom, beautiful work. That is great, seeing the butterfly emerge from the cocoon.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 17, 2010 8:31 AM
>To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Finally the coming out party!
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>Wings coming down from attic next.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
Guys,
If you build cabane length to the CAD or previous plans you will end up with zero
or minus angle of incidence (from mean cord line). The plane will fly tail
low (as reported) with added trim drag and you won't be able to touch down at
stall speed with out hitting the tail wheel first. I physically measured the
angle of my center section to confirm 1.5 degree a.o.i. with the aft struts 1"
shorter.
Tom Bernie
Gloucester Mass
N666TB
On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:28 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
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> Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project and
the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he thought
many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with
the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle
is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling
me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling
so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 26 Msgs - 03/06/10 |
Please delete me from the mailing list. I will be away for some time, and do not
want to clog up my email box. Thank you. Ross Alexander, happy owner of a Pietenpol
in Canada
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1. 04:17 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Construction Photos (Jack)
3. 04:57 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Jack)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Jim Markle)
5. 07:15 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Gary Boothe)
6. 07:46 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (Tim Willis)
7. 09:42 AM - Re: First Major Milestone (K5YAC)
8. 10:11 AM - Wood (William Colleran)
9. 01:25 PM - Re: Wood (Jack Phillips)
10. 03:12 PM - Cool altimeter on ebay (helspersew@aol.com)
11. 04:06 PM - dimple tape (airlion)
12. 04:23 PM - Re: dimple tape (Ben Charvet)
13. 04:35 PM - Re: Re: Just Hello (shad bell)
14. 04:46 PM - Re: Wood (K5YAC)
15. 04:58 PM - Re: Wood (Dan Yocum)
16. 04:58 PM - Re: Wood (Dan Yocum)
17. 05:46 PM - Re: Wood (Gary Boothe)
18. 06:21 PM - Coverall Comps (mr-fix-all)
19. 06:43 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (Tim Willis)
20. 06:45 PM - Re: dimple tape (Pieti Lowell)
21. 07:05 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (mr-fix-all)
22. 07:14 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (VanDy)
23. 07:27 PM - Re: Coverall Comps (mr-fix-all)
24. 07:31 PM - Re: Wood (Clif Dawson)
25. 09:39 PM - Re: Wood (Mike Townsley)
26. 11:42 PM - Re: Wood (Clif Dawson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:17:21 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
From: helspersew@aol.com
Mark,
Anytime you are proud of your work, and need to stand back and look, it's
a milestone. Very nice work. It must be great to get it out into the ligh
t.
Keep plugging!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good
about
t. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
oday was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time, so
I
ook my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look it over
in
he sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to install control
ulleys and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found th
at
here is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is
retty good.
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
right
ing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting
ssembly on the let panel.
Here are a few photos.
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ark - working on wings
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:51:04 AM PST US
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Construction Photos
Great shots and comments Kevin, thank you!
Jack
DSM
Hi - I haven't been able to get ahold of the (sainted) west coast piet
webmaster to post construction photos of NX899KP. The Girl taught me how to
post photos on a google blog. Here's the link:
http://nx899kp.blogspot.com/
I'll continue to add pictures as I can. If I have any notes I put them as
comments.
Best regards,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 04:57:21 AM PST US
From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
I agree, great milestone Mark, it get better every day!
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good
about it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the
aileron. Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long
time, so I took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could
look it over in the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to
install control pulleys and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that
there is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is
pretty good.
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
right wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to
starting assembly on the let panel.
Here are a few photos.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 06:47:22 AM PST US
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
It IS a milestone....you SHOULD feel pretty good about it....wow, this is great!
I got to spend the nice weather yesterday spreading gravel on my (800'+) driveway
and trying to get a 1951 tractor running (no spark...still!).
Looks like YOU had a LOT more fun!!!
Nice work Mark!
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:41 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
>
>
>I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good about
it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time, so I
took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look it over in
the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to install control pulleys
and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
>
>We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that there
is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is pretty
good.
>
>I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the right
wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting assembly
on the let panel.
>
>Here are a few photos.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 07:15:54 AM PST US
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
Nice pics, Mark, thanks! I am still a big fan of your wing building jig.
That'll work great for me and my cramped work area. How about posting some
more in-process pics?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good
about it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the
aileron. Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long
time, so I took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could
look it over in the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to
install control pulleys and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that
there is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is
pretty good.
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
right wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to
starting assembly on the let panel.
Here are a few photos.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 07:46:01 AM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
Mark,
Thanks for the pix. It all looks great.
If you have them, I would like some more details, please. I'd like to see pix--
both a side view and a top view of the wing tip bow and the curved aileron tip,
and how they line up and look together. Perhaps your build is not quite there
yet-- the tips.
In any event, I continue to have trouble visualizing exactly how that goes together.
I should have taken a stepladder and a closeup lens to Brodhead in 2006
or 2008.
Thanks, Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:41 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone
>
>
>I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good about
it. I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
Today was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time, so I
took my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look it over in
the sun light. It all looks good so far. I still need to install control pulleys
and LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
>
>We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that there
is less than 1/8" difference in the measurements. I was told that is pretty
good.
>
>I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the right
wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting assembly
on the let panel.
>
>Here are a few photos.
>
>--------
>Mark - working on wings
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365
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________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:42:54 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Major Milestone
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
Thanks for the nice comments fellas. For those that want to see most of my build
photos... you can go to my logbook site (posted below in my signature). I've
tried to keep it current and relevant to the project, but there are a few "shop"
entries that pertain to equipment and such.
For those that may not be familiar with mykitlog.com, just click on the link below
and when you get to my main page click the ALL link on the right side menu.
That will display all of my entries since I've started my project and you can
quickly browse for titles and which ones have photos. I do have larger photos
available for anyone that is interested in specific details. Perhaps Chris
would let me post some of my photos on West Coast Piet? Maybe I'll shoot him
a note tonight.
Gary, I got the idea for the vertical wing jig from Tony Bingelis' "Sportplane
Construction Techniques" (pg. 57). It was super easy to build, and if you have
a solid work bench to clamp them to (see my photo above), you won't have to
anchor them to the ceiling. I used a water level and shims to get mine leveled
up and it is working great. Even if space isn't an issue, I think the vertical
configuration allows better access to the entire wing panel. I could be wrong...
won't know until I try the other methods.
Time to make sawdust!
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:11:32 AM PST US
From: William Colleran <bcolleran@comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood
I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order
your wood from?
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 01:25:56 PM PST US
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood
I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply http://www.wicksaircraft.com/
, and some from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Colleran
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood
<bcolleran@comcast.net>
I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order
your wood from?
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 03:12:50 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cool altimeter on ebay
From: helspersew@aol.com
Hi Gang,
For anyone interested, there is an antique 4-1/4" "Height" gauge currently
on Ebay. Item # 270538280371. Price is currently $212.00. Not too bad so
far. I paid a lot more for mine.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 04:06:54 PM PST US
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: dimple tape
I am flying my hours off and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
handles. It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM at
2900 rpm. On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate
for landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS
NOT POSSIBLE. I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution. Have
any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work? Thanks
guys, Gardiner Mason
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 04:23:10 PM PST US
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: dimple tape
I too am flying off my hours. Today was my first test of the $3
elevator trim system I installed yesterday. Prior to this I was holding
a lot of back pressure for level flight. I also added 1/2 inch of
offset to the rudder. Now I can fly hands off for a few seconds while
fumbling around changing frequencies, etc. Today was pancake EAA
pancake breakfast day for my chapter. When it came time to land the
wind was blowing 8 kts right down the paved runway. I basically flew it
right down to the pavement at 65 mph and about 1000 rpm. In spite of
the large audience by carrying a little power I was able to do a nice
wheel landing that was heard more than felt, pulled the throttle, pushed
the stick forward, and still only rolled out about 150 ft. My flight
advisor suggested wheel landings, and I think they are best done with a
little power on.
Only 19 hours to go!
Ben Charvet
Mims Fl
On 3/6/2010 7:04 PM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion<airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
> I am flying my hours off and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
handles. It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM
at 2900 rpm. On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate
for landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS
NOT POSSIBLE. I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution.
Have any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work? Thanks
guys, Gardiner Mason
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 04:35:45 PM PST US
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just Hello
Big Jim knows what engine your supposed to put on a Pietenpol, ha ha ha
(That's a Corvair if you didn't know)
Shad
PS looking forward to getting my ohio piet fly-in planning started, June 19th I
think I said, Whatever the day before father's day is.
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________
Time: 04:46:35 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood
From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
I got mine from Aircraft Spruce. Aside from one minor, and one not so minor problem,
the material is great. For the record (for those that weren't reading
the mail a few months ago), Aircraft Spruce quickly took care of both issues.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________
Time: 04:58:13 PM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood
If you're close to Madison, WI, check out McCormick's Lumber.
On 03/06/2010 12:06 PM, William Colleran wrote:
> <bcolleran@comcast.net>
>
> I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order your
> wood from?
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________
Time: 04:58:47 PM PST US
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood
Oh, and I recently heard a rumor that The Hardwood Connection in
Sycamore, IL carries aircraft grade spruce.
Dan
On 03/06/2010 12:06 PM, William Colleran wrote:
> <bcolleran@comcast.net>
>
> I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order your
> wood from?
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________
Time: 05:46:23 PM PST US
From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood
William,
Those who have been on this list for a while know that I would be remiss if
I did not point out that you are not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have
Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, including the ribs. All was
bought at a local hardwood supplier for under $300.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Colleran
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood
<bcolleran@comcast.net>
I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order
your wood from?
________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________
Time: 06:21:16 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
All,
I submit for your critique 2 comps I have created.
These can be resized and placed almost anywhere.
enjoy
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet2_139.pdf
________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________
Time: 06:43:11 PM PST US
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps
The Pietenpol coverall graphic is very appealing to me. I love the "pulled from
an angel" look of the wings and the "circus" look of the script. I'd like to
hear more from others.
Do I understand that a fellow could iron this on his plane in one version, and
on his coveralls in another, adjusting for size? Are these to be vinyl or what?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: mr-fix-all <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
>Sent: Mar 6, 2010 8:19 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps
>
>
>All,
>
>I submit for your critique 2 comps I have created.
>These can be resized and placed almost anywhere.
>
>
>enjoy
>
>--------
>"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289433#289433
>
>
>Attachments:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/mobil_150.pdf
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet2_139.pdf
>
>
________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________
Time: 06:45:26 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dimple tape
From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
Ben,
I'm waiting with baited breath, to hear the flying data on the 612 wings that are
in the works. The glide is not anyway near the glide you are experiencing ,
nor the sink rate as fast.
Pieti Lowell
]
I am flying my hours off and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
handles. It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM at
2900 rpm. On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate
for landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS
NOT POSSIBLE. I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution.
Have any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work? Thanks
guys, Gardiner Mason
[/quote][/quote]
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________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________
Time: 07:05:57 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coverall Comps
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
It is possible that you could have these made into a heat transfer, these are possible
silkscreenings for the coveralls that have been discussed here.
With some research I could silk screen this onto a fabric swatch that could be
affixed to your finished craft.
I will be posting other comps as I complete them.
Jake
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________
Time: 07:14:34 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coverall Comps
From: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
i would love to have 2 of each that could be made into t-shirts! heat transfer
or silkscreen
do not archive
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________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________
Time: 07:27:59 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coverall Comps
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>
Here is my 3rd spin
Jake
--------
"Be who you are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and
those that matter don't mind" Dr. Seuss
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________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________
Time: 07:31:05 PM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood
If you down a ways on this page you will see a chart
of wood strength and weight;
http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
My plane is entirely Western Hemlock with Fir Landing
Gear and Cabanes. I have found 1" wide Fir planks for my
Spars.
Clif
The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new
eyes.
-Marcel Proust -
> William,
you are not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have
> Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, including the ribs. All was
> bought at a local hardwood supplier for under $300.
>
> Gary Boothe
________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
Time: 09:39:59 PM PST US
From: Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood
Cliff,
Where did you go to find that wood?
Thanks
Mike Townsley
Clif Dawson wrote:
>
> If you down a ways on this page you will see a chart
> of wood strength and weight;
>
> http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html
>
> My plane is entirely Western Hemlock with Fir Landing
> Gear and Cabanes. I have found 1" wide Fir planks for my
> Spars.
>
> Clif
>
> The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes, but in
> having new eyes.
> -Marcel Proust -
>
>
>> William,
> you are not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have
>> Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, including the ribs. All
>> was bought at a local hardwood supplier for under $300.
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>
>
________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________
Time: 11:42:53 PM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood
The longerons and wing rib caps are carefully chosen
trim material from lumber yards. I was extremely
picky so I made regular rounds to five yards. The
spar material is very unusual and only comes in 5"
and 6" widths. I found it in a higher end place that
carries better materials usually.
The longerons are 1 1/16" square stuff that is used as
a backing when building up fancy, complicated
moldings.
Clif
>
> Cliff,
> Where did you go to find that wood?
> Thanks
> Mike Townsley
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
skellytown flyer wrote:
> Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project and
the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he thought
many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with
the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle
is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling
me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling
so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
Raymond,
I am located in upstate NY, just north of Utica NY just inside the Adirondack Park.
I think I have read somewhere that one needs approx. 2 deg. of incidence.
between the chord line and the line of horizontal thrust. The horizontal line
of thrust is easy as it parallels the top longeron. The Chord line is more
difficult. My understanding is that it runs from the trailing edge to the center
of the radius on the leading edge. I had thought that a line through the
centerline of the spars would parallel the chord line but this is not true on
the GN-1 I am not sure about the Piet as its airfoil has a little bit sharper
leading edge.
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
Tom Bernie wrote:
> Guys,
> If you build cabane length to the CAD or previous plans you will end up with
zero or minus angle of incidence (from mean cord line). The plane will fly tail
low (as reported) with added trim drag and you won't be able to touch down
at stall speed with out hitting the tail wheel first. I physically measured the
angle of my center section to confirm 1.5 degree a.o.i. with the aft struts
1" shorter.
> Tom Bernie
> Gloucester Mass
> N666TB
>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:28 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project
and the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he
thought many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with
the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle
is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling
me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling
so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290729#290729
> >
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > My plans are the hand drawn plans with a copyright date of 1992 and on sheet
6 it shows the cabanes with a dimension of what appears to be 21" and an edit
referring to page 7. I am not sure if the edit was part of the plans or done
by my planes original builder. On Page 7 it calls out the cabanes as 21" front
and 21 3/4" rear. My cabanes are 23 1/2" for all 4.
> > If my calculations from my own personal CAD layout of the airfoil are correct
then I now have 1.71 degrees of incidence. ( will strike a chord line on my
center section to verify with my drawing) If your GN-1 has them 1" shorter then
it would seem like there is quite a bit more incidence, all things being equal.
I need to measure more.
> >
> > Thanks for the input.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Bending aluminum tubing |
Good People,
I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I have some
1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seems too easy to bend. I was thinking about
6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be to put in the 90 deg bends
even with using a tubing bender and packing the tube with sand. Does any
have any experience with 6061 or 5052? Those that made your own pitot tubes, what
did you use and how have they held up to the casual knock and bump?
I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet. Its going
to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow - with snow this weekend.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaios, In
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
OK, I did my measuring. I did a little more looking on the web and found that
the recommended angle of incidence for the Pietenpol wing is 3 degrees. I am
assuming it is the same for the GN-1 wing. From posts I read this allows for
some washout on the tips. As I remember from Broadhead this summer the washout
makes the Piet a much better flying bird.
I struck a chalk line from the trailing edge to the center of the curve on the
leading edge to get the chord line. The chord line is at an angle of 1.83 degrees
to a line through the center of the mounting holes for the cabane struts.
To get to the recommended 3 degrees I will need to lengthen my front cabanes
by 5/8" to get 3 degrees. Probably the easiest is to weld another tube for the
attach bolt on top of the existing attach point and a new saddle strap over
the top. The fix will be tell tale at any gatherings but then I am not building
a show plane and it seems like a lot less work than cutting the strut and
lengthening it.
Thanks for your comments
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
test
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Good People,
I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I
have some 1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seems too easy to bend. I
was thinking about 6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be
to put in the 90 deg bends even with using a tubing bender and packing
the tube with sand. Does any have any experience with 6061 or 5052?
Those that made your own pitot tubes, what did you use and how have they
held up to the casual knock and bump?
I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet.
Its going to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow -
with snow this weekend.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaios, In
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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Like Jack I used the Poly fiber manual and video. Worked great and actually
was fun once I got the hang of it. Started with the tail pieces since they
are easy to do--Jim Lagowski in slowly warming up N. Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: covering
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Worked for me. I followed the PolyFiber manual and found it worked well
> and
> fabric work was one of the most enjoyable parts of building the airplane.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
> Holland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:10 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: covering
>
>
> While on the subject of fuselage covering, did the Bingelis method
> work for you guys? 4 pieces, bottom first, then each side, then back
> turtle deck?
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> I think you're smart to do this.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I have decided to just pull everything off the firewall and glue the
>>> fabric to the firewall, whats an extra couple hours on a five years
>>> project?
>>>
>>> rick
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I hadn't thought about it a lot. A few times in
>>>> passing as I was doing other things. I think I can wedge
>>>> the edges foreward enough to stuff some glue and an
>>>> inch or so of fabric in there. There's 1/8" of fibrefrax
>>>> that can be pushed aside and the only places close to
>>>> the edges that are bolted down are the four engine
>>>> mount bolts. If worse comes to worse one could
>>>> wrap a thin strip of aluminum around it and screw
>>>> it down. Also I expect an inch of cowling will be
>>>> over it as well.
>>>> I'll work it out. With a pencil. Like my constipated
>>>> accountant.
>>>> Now you know why pencils have brown erasers. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Clif
>>>> "I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them. " ~
>>>> Pablo
>>>> Picasso
>>>>>
>>>>> Great question, I am also ready to remove my engine and start fuselage
>>>>> covering. Would be easier to not unbolt all that stuff from the
>>>>> firewall and remove the stainless firewall cover and wiring.
>>>>
>>>> rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clif,
>>>>>> Just wondering...are you going to remove all the engine stuff and
>>>>>> firewall to get a wrap-around on your fabric?
>>>>>> Gary Boothe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick Holland
>>> Castle Rock, Colorado
>>>
>>> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
>
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| Subject: | West coast Pietenpol Meet |
For those on the west coast, or going to be on the west coast during this June
we are having a Pietenpol meet on June 5, 2010. Charlie Miller is hosting us
at Frazier Lake Airpark (1C9) which is a beautiful grass strip in California.
I sent out informational fliers this past week to those in California that I
know about, but I'm sure there are other builders/owners who lurk. We already
have a couple Pietenpols that have committed to be there. It will be a fun
day of looking at and talking Pietenpols! I'll try to attach the flier as a
pdf.
Thanks,
Mike Groah
Tulare CA
Still building!
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| Subject: | Re: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen engine |
Hey, Nice colors!
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A GN-1 Air Camper with a 2000cc Volkswagen
engine
I wonder if this airplane has flown yet ? My guess is that it
would be a single seater for all practical
purposes but who knows.
I e-mailed the person who posted this asking if it has flown yet.
Will report back if I hear anything.
Mike C.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0OtA9Du-k
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| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
Rick
I purchased two telescoping aluminum tubes and plan on installing a
"disposable" pitot tube in the wing leading edge, gluing the larger
tube in the LE with flexible tubing attached at the rear and the
smaller tube press-fit into it. After the first moron bangs his head
on it and bends it (me, of course) I just pull it out and shove in a
new piece of tubing.
rick
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Richard Schreiber
<lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Good People,
>
> I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I have
> some 1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seemstooeasy to bend. I was
> thinking about 6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be to put
> in the 90 deg bends even with using a tubing bender and packing the tube
> with sand. Does any have any experience with 6061 or 5052? Those that made
> your own pitot tubes, what did you use and how have they held up to the
> casual knock and bump?
>
> I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet. Its
> going to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow - with snow
> this weekend.
>
> Rick Schreiber,
> Valparaios, In
>
>
> Richard Schreiber
> lmforge@earthlink.net
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
I silver soldered a lug to a brass 1/4" tubing ELL and mounted it to the front
spar with the bottom flush with the fabric. and tubed the wing with nylon tubing.
I am thinking if I can get some brass to just bend the pitot tube from I'd
use that. otherwise copper. it is soft and bends easily but I think it will
be easy to straighten if damaged and easy to replace plus it might look kinda
natural on an old bird. 8 inches or so won't weigh enough more than aluminum to
even notice.
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| Subject: | Re: Bending aluminum tubing |
I've had some experience with 6061. With a Fisher 404, used alot of it.
It was 6061-T6 (pretty sure of the T6 hardness)
This was shown by my mentor.
Turn on an acy. torch with just the gas for a sooty yellow flame.
Float the soot over the area that you want to soften, and coat it with
black soot.
Now here's the tricky part.
Add the oxy to get a regular neutral flame. Now float the flame over
the soot to erase the soot. If you linger in one spot too long, the tube
melts. But if you keep it moving, with practice, you can erase all the
soot.
Let it cool in still air.
Now all the hardness is gone and its soft like taffy.
You use this if you are going to flatten a round tube, to make an end to
be drilled.
Now bend or flatten, or do what you have to do.
When done set it aside, and in awhile (If I remember right, about 2 to 3
months) It will "age" back to a T6.
Pretty amazing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending aluminum tubing
Good People,
I was wondering about what alloy to use for my aluminum Pitot tubes. I
have some 1/4 inch 3003 - .035", but that seems too easy to bend. I
was thinking about 6061T6, but was concerned about how easy it would be
to put in the 90 deg bends even with using a tubing bender and packing
the tube with sand. Does any have any experience with 6061 or 5052?
Those that made your own pitot tubes, what did you use and how have they
held up to the casual knock and bump?
I off in a few minutes to see a friends corvair project for his piet.
Its going to be in the 60's here in Indiana and in the 70' tomorrow -
with snow this weekend.
Rick Schreiber,
Valparaios, In
Richard Schreiber
lmforge@earthlink.net
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Mar 18, 2010 8:47 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length
>
>
>Guys,
>If you build cabane length to the CAD or previous plans you will end up with zero
or minus angle of incidence (from mean cord line). The plane will fly tail
low (as reported) with added trim drag and you won't be able to touch down at
stall speed with out hitting the tail wheel first. I physically measured the
angle of my center section to confirm 1.5 degree a.o.i. with the aft struts
1" shorter.
>Tom Bernie
>Gloucester Mass
>N666TB
>
>On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:28 AM, skellytown flyer wrote:
>
>>
>> Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project
and the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry
and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he
thought many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with
the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle
is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes
would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling
me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling
so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290729#290729
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bject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone=0AFrom: helspersew@aol.com
=0A=0A=0AMark,=0A=0AAnytime you are proud of your work, and need to stand b
ack and look, it's=0Aa milestone. Very nice work. It must be great to get i
t out into the ligh=0At. =0A=0AKeep plugging!=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Gro
ve, IL.=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>
=0ASent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 10:41 pm=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: First Major M
ilestone=0A=0A=0AI'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feel
ing pretty good=0Aabout =0At.- I took my left wing panel off the jig toda
y and trial fit the aileron.=0A=0Aoday was one of the first really nice day
s we have had in a long time, so=0AI =0Aook my wing panel outside and set i
t on saw horses so I could look it over=0Ain =0Ahe sun light.- It all loo
ks good so far.- I still need to install control=0A=0Aulleys and LE sheet
ing, but the framework is complete.- =0AWe measured the dimensions (front
to rear spar - tip to root) and found th=0Aat =0Ahere is less than 1/8" di
fference in the measurements.- I was told that is=0A=0Aretty good.- =0A
I also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the
=0Aright =0Aing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to
starting =0Assembly on the let panel.=0AHere are a few photos.=0A--------
=0Aark - working on wings=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0Ahttp://for
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- Message 2- _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:51:
04 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>=0ASubject: RE:- Pietenpol-
List: Construction Photos=0A=0A=0AGreat shots and comments Kevin, thank you
!=0AJack=0ADSM=0A=0A=0AHi - I haven't been able to get ahold of the (sainte
d) west coast piet=0Awebmaster to post construction photos of NX899KP.- T
he Girl taught me how to=0Apost photos on a google blog.- Here's the link
:=0A=0Ahttp://nx899kp.blogspot.com/=0A=0AI'll continue to add pictures as I
can.- If I have any notes I put them as=0Acomments.=0A=0ABest regards,
=0AKevin Purtee=0ANX899KP=0AAustin/Georgetown=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onlin
e here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289353#289353=0A
=0A=0A________________________________- Message 3- ____________________
_________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:57:21 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Jack" <jack@tex
tors.com>=0ASubject: RE:- Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone=0A=0A=0AI
agree, great milestone Mark, it get better every day!=0AJack=0ADSM=0ADo no
t archive=0A=0A=0AI'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm fee
ling pretty good=0Aabout it.- I took my left wing panel off the jig today
and trial fit the=0Aaileron.- Today was one of the first really nice day
s we have had in a long=0Atime, so I took my wing panel outside and set it
on saw horses so I could=0Alook it over in the sun light.- It all looks g
ood so far.- I still need to=0Ainstall control pulleys and LE sheeting, b
ut the framework is complete.- =0A=0AWe measured the dimensions (front to
rear spar - tip to root) and found that=0Athere is less than 1/8" differen
ce in the measurements.- I was told that is=0Apretty good.- =0A=0AI als
o wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the=0Arigh
t wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to=0Astartin
g assembly on the let panel.=0A=0AHere are a few photos.=0A=0A--------=0AMa
rk - working on wings=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru
ms.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A
=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050408_768x576_159.jpg=0Ahttp://for
ums.matronics.com//files/p3050410_768x576_118.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics
.com//files/p3050412_768x576_128.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p
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76_123.jpg=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 4- _______
______________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 06:47:22 AM PST US=0AFrom: Jim
Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Ma
jor Milestone=0A=0A=0AIt IS a milestone....you SHOULD feel pretty good abou
t it....wow, this is great!=0A=0AI got to spend the nice weather yesterday
spreading gravel on my (800'+) driveway=0Aand trying to get a 1951 tractor
running (no spark...still!).=0A=0ALooks like YOU had a LOT more fun!!!=0A
=0ANice work Mark!=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0A>From: K5YAC <hanga
r10@cox.net>=0A>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:41 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Milestone=0A>=0A>=0A>I'm not su
re if this is actually a milestone, but I'm feeling pretty good about=0Ait.
- I took my left wing panel off the jig today and trial fit the aileron.
=0AToday was one of the first really nice days we have had in a long time,
so I=0Atook my wing panel outside and set it on saw horses so I could look
it over in=0Athe sun light.- It all looks good so far.- I still need to
install control pulleys=0Aand LE sheeting, but the framework is complete.
- =0A>=0A>We measured the dimensions (front to rear spar - tip to root) a
nd found that there=0Ais less than 1/8" difference in the measurements.-
I was told that is pretty=0Agood.- =0A>=0A>I also wanted to check my jig
with the water level before to starting the right=0Awing panel... it hasn't
moved since we locked it down, prior to starting assembly=0Aon the let pan
el.=0A>=0A>Here are a few photos.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Mark - working on wing
s=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.co
m/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365=0A>=0A>=0A>Attachments: =0A>=0A>http://fo
rums.matronics.com//files/p3050408_768x576_159.jpg=0A>http://forums.matroni
cs.com//files/p3050410_768x576_118.jpg=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//file
s/p3050412_768x576_128.jpg=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050413_7
68x576_133.jpg=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050415_768x576_123.j
pg=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 5- _______
______________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 07:15:54 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Ga
ry Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Majo
r Milestone=0A=0A=0ANice pics, Mark, thanks! I am still a big fan of your w
ing building jig.=0AThat'll work great for me and my cramped work area. How
about posting some=0Amore in-process pics?=0A=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, CA=0AP
ietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A18 ribs do
ne=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matr
onics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
K5YAC=0ASent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:41 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Fi
rst Major Milestone=0A=0A=0AI'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, b
ut I'm feeling pretty good=0Aabout it.- I took my left wing panel off the
jig today and trial fit the=0Aaileron.- Today was one of the first reall
y nice days we have had in a long=0Atime, so I took my wing panel outside a
nd set it on saw horses so I could=0Alook it over in the sun light.- It a
ll looks good so far.- I still need to=0Ainstall control pulleys and LE s
heeting, but the framework is complete.- =0A=0AWe measured the dimensions
(front to rear spar - tip to root) and found that=0Athere is less than 1/8
" difference in the measurements.- I was told that is=0Apretty good.-
=0A=0AI also wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting
the=0Aright wing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior t
o=0Astarting assembly on the let panel.=0A=0AHere are a few photos.=0A=0A--
------=0AMark - working on wings=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0A
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365=0A=0A=0AAttachm
ents: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050408_768x576_159.jpg=0Ah
ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050410_768x576_118.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.
matronics.com//files/p3050412_768x576_128.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com
//files/p3050413_768x576_133.jpg=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050
415_768x576_123.jpg=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 6
- _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 07:46:01 AM PST US
=0AFrom: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-
List: First Major Milestone=0A=0A=0AMark,=0A=0AThanks for the pix.- It al
l looks great.=0A=0AIf you have them, I would like some more details, pleas
e.- I'd like to see pix--=0Aboth a side view and a top view of the wing t
ip bow and the curved aileron tip,=0Aand how they line up and look together
.- Perhaps your build is not quite there=0Ayet-- the tips.- =0A=0AIn an
y event, I continue to have trouble visualizing exactly how that goes toget
her.=0AI should have taken a stepladder and a closeup lens to Brodhead in 2
006=0Aor 2008.- =0AThanks, Tim in central TX=0A=0A=0A-----Original Messag
e-----=0A>From: K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net>=0A>Sent: Mar 5, 2010 10:41 PM=0A>T
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Major Mil
estone=0A>=0A>=0A>I'm not sure if this is actually a milestone, but I'm fee
ling pretty good about=0Ait.- I took my left wing panel off the jig today
and trial fit the aileron.=0AToday was one of the first really nice days w
e have had in a long time, so I=0Atook my wing panel outside and set it on
saw horses so I could look it over in=0Athe sun light.- It all looks good
so far.- I still need to install control pulleys=0Aand LE sheeting, but
the framework is complete.- =0A>=0A>We measured the dimensions (front to
rear spar - tip to root) and found that there=0Ais less than 1/8" differenc
e in the measurements.- I was told that is pretty=0Agood.- =0A>=0A>I al
so wanted to check my jig with the water level before to starting the right
=0Awing panel... it hasn't moved since we locked it down, prior to starting
assembly=0Aon the let panel.=0A>=0A>Here are a few photos.=0A>=0A>--------
=0A>Mark - working on wings=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289365#289365=0A>=0A>=0A>Atta
chments: =0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050408_768x576_159.jp
g=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/p3050410_768x576_118.jpg=0A>http://
forums.matronics.com//files/p3050412_768x576_128.jpg=0A>http://forums.matro
nics.com//files/p3050413_768x576_133.jpg=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//fi
les/p3050415_768x576_123.jpg=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A______________________________
__- Message 7- _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 09:4
2:54 AM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Major Milestone=0AFrom:
"K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>=0A=0A=0AThanks for the nice comments fellas.-
For those that want to see most of my build=0Aphotos... you can go to my l
ogbook site (posted below in my signature).- I've=0Atried to keep it curr
ent and relevant to the project, but there are a few "shop"=0Aentries that
pertain to equipment and such.- =0A=0AFor those that may not be familiar
with mykitlog.com, just click on the link below=0Aand when you get to my ma
in page click the ALL link on the right side menu.=0AThat will display all
of my entries since I've started my project and you can=0Aquickly browse fo
r titles and which ones have photos.- I do have larger photos=0Aavailable
for anyone that is interested in specific details.- Perhaps Chris=0Awoul
d let me post some of my photos on West Coast Piet?- Maybe I'll shoot him
=0Aa note tonight.- =0A=0AGary, I got the idea for the vertical wing jig
from Tony Bingelis' "Sportplane=0AConstruction Techniques" (pg. 57).- It
was super easy to build, and if you have=0Aa solid work bench to clamp them
to (see my photo above), you won't have to=0Aanchor them to the ceiling.
- I used a water level and shims to get mine leveled=0Aup and it is worki
ng great.- Even if space isn't an issue, I think the vertical=0Aconfigura
tion allows better access to the entire wing panel.- I could be wrong...
=0Awon't know until I try the other methods.- =0A=0ATime to make sawdust!
=0A=0A--------=0AMark - working on wings=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online her
e:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289379#289379=0A=0A
=0A________________________________- Message 8- _______________________
______________=0A=0A=0ATime: 10:11:32 AM PST US=0AFrom: William Colleran <b
colleran@comcast.net>=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A=0AI just ordere
d my plans for my pietenpol.- Who do most of you order- =0Ayour wood fr
om?=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 9- ______________
_______________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:25:56 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Jack Phil
lips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A=0A
I got most of mine from Wicks Aircraft Supply- http://www.wicksaircraft.c
om/=0A, and some from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty=0Ahttp://www.aircraftsp
ruce.com/=0A=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A=0A-----Original Mes
sage-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner
-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William=0AColleran=0ASen
t: Saturday, March 06, 2010 1:07 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A<b
colleran@comcast.net>=0A=0AI just ordered my plans for my pietenpol.- Who
do most of you order=0Ayour wood from?=0A=0A=0A___________________________
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3:12:50 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Cool altimeter on ebay=0AFrom:
helspersew@aol.com=0A=0A=0AHi Gang,=0A=0AFor anyone interested, there is a
n antique 4-1/4" "Height" gauge currently=0Aon Ebay. Item # 270538280371. P
rice is currently $212.00. Not too bad so=0Afar. I paid a lot more for mine
. =0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0APoplar Grove, IL.=0A=0A=0A________________________
________- Message 11- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime
: 04:06:54 PM PST US=0AFrom: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>=0ASubject: Pie
tenpol-List: dimple tape=0A=0A=0AI am flying my hours off- and after 5 ho
urs I am really impressed on how my ship=0Ahandles.- It really likes 85 m
ph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM at=0A2900 rpm.- On final appr
oach to landing I am trying to get used the sink rate=0Afor landing. I like
to land power off like I was taught., but i FIND THAT IS=0ANOT POSSIBLE.
- I have been reading about dimple tape as a somewhat solution. Have=0Aan
y of you experienced pietenpollers tried this and does it work?- Thanks
=0Aguys, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message
12- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:23:10 PM PST U
S=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-Lis
t: dimple tape=0A=0A=0AI too am flying off my hours.- Today was my first
test of the $3 =0Aelevator trim system I installed yesterday.- Prior to t
his I was holding =0Aa lot of back pressure for level flight.- I also add
ed 1/2 inch of =0Aoffset to the rudder.- Now I can fly hands off for a fe
w seconds while =0Afumbling around changing frequencies, etc.- Today was
pancake EAA =0Apancake breakfast day for my chapter.- When it came time t
o land the =0Awind was blowing 8 kts right down the paved runway.- I basi
cally flew it =0Aright down to the pavement at 65 mph and about 1000 rpm.
- In spite of =0Athe large audience by carrying a little power I was able
to do a nice =0Awheel landing that was heard more than felt, pulled the th
rottle, pushed =0Athe stick forward, and still only rolled out about 150 ft
.- My flight =0Aadvisor suggested wheel landings, and I think they are be
st done with a =0Alittle power on.=0A=0AOnly 19 hours to go!=0A=0ABen Charv
et=0AMims Fl=0A=0AOn 3/6/2010 7:04 PM, airlion wrote:=0A> -->- Pietenpol-
List message posted by: airlion<airlion@bellsouth.net>=0A>=0A> I am flying
my hours off- and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship=0Aha
ndles.- It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95 RPM
=0Aat 2900 rpm.- On final approach to landing I am trying to get used the
sink rate=0Afor landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., but
i FIND THAT IS=0ANOT POSSIBLE.- I have been reading about dimple tape as
a somewhat solution.=0AHave any of you experienced pietenpollers tried this
and does it work?- Thanks=0Aguys, Gardiner Mason=0A>=0A>=0A>- - =0A
=0A=0A________________________________- Message 13- ___________________
_________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:35:45 PM PST US=0AFrom: shad bell <aviat
orbell@yahoo.com>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Just Hello=0A=0A=0A=0A
Big Jim knows what engine your supposed to put on a Pietenpol, ha ha ha=0A(
That's a Corvair if you didn't know)=0AShad=0A=0APS looking forward to gett
ing my ohio piet fly-in planning started, June 19th I=0Athink I said, Whate
ver the day before father's day is.=0A=0A=0A- - - =0A=0A=0A__________
______________________- Message 14- ___________________________________
_=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:46:35 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood=0AFr
om: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>=0A=0A=0AI got mine from Aircraft Spruce.-
Aside from one minor, and one not so minor problem,=0Athe material is great
.- For the record (for those that weren't reading=0Athe mail a few months
ago), Aircraft Spruce quickly took care of both issues.=0A=0A--------=0AMa
rk - working on wings=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru
ms.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289423#289423=0A=0A=0A__________________
______________- Message 15- ____________________________________=0A=0A
=0ATime: 04:58:13 PM PST US=0AFrom: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>=0ASubject: R
e: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A=0AIf you're close to Madison, WI, check out M
cCormick's Lumber.=0A=0AOn 03/06/2010 12:06 PM, William Colleran wrote:=0A>
<bcolleran@comcast.net>=0A>=0A> I just ordered my plans for my pietenpol.
Who do most of you order your=0A> wood from?=0A>=0A>=0A=0A-- =0ADan Yocum
=0AFermilab- -630.840.6509- 630.840.6509 =0Ayocum@fnal.gov, http://fe
rmigrid.fnal.gov=0A"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of p
etty things."=0A=0A=0A________________________________- Message 16- ___
_________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 04:58:47 PM PST US=0AFrom:
Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A=0AOh,
and I recently heard a rumor that The Hardwood Connection in =0ASycamore, I
L carries aircraft grade spruce.=0A=0ADan=0A=0AOn 03/06/2010 12:06 PM, Will
iam Colleran wrote:=0A> <bcolleran@comcast.net>=0A>=0A> I just ordered my p
lans for my pietenpol. Who do most of you order your=0A> wood from?=0A>=0A>
=0A=0A-- =0ADan Yocum=0AFermilab- -630.840.6509- 630.840.6509 =0Ayocu
m@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0A"I fly because it releases my mind
from the tyranny of petty things."=0A=0A=0A________________________________
- Message 17- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 05:46:
23 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ASubject: RE: Pi
etenpol-List: Wood=0A=0AWilliam,=0A=0AThose who have been on this list for
a while know that I would be remiss if=0AI did not point out that you are n
ot locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have=0AHemlock in my tail, and the rest
is Poplar, including the ribs. All was=0Abought at a local hardwood suppli
er for under $300.=0A=0AGary Boothe=0ACool, CA=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Con
version=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A18 ribs done=0A=0A=0A-----Original
Message-----=0AFrom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:ow
ner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William=0AColleran=0A
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 10:07 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A
=0A<bcolleran@comcast.net>=0A=0AI just ordered my plans for my pietenpol.
- Who do most of you order- =0Ayour wood from?=0A=0A=0A________________
________________- Message 18- ____________________________________=0A
=0A=0ATime: 06:21:16 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps=0A
From: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>=0A=0A=0AAll,=0A
=0AI submit for your critique 2 comps I have created.=0AThese can be resize
d and placed almost anywhere.=0A=0A=0Aenjoy=0A=0A--------=0A"Be who yo
u are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and=0Athose tha
t matter don't mind"- Dr. Seuss=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289433#289433=0A=0A=0AA
ttachments: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/mobil_150.pdf=0Ahttp:/
/forums.matronics.com//files/piet2_139.pdf=0A=0A=0A________________________
________- Message 19- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime
: 06:43:11 PM PST US=0AFrom: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>=0ASub
ject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps=0A=0A=0AThe Pietenpol coverall gra
phic is very appealing to me.- I love the "pulled from=0Aan angel" look o
f the wings and the "circus" look of the script.- I'd like to=0Ahear more
from others.=0A=0ADo I understand that a fellow could iron this on his pla
ne in one version, and=0Aon his coveralls in another, adjusting for size?
- Are these to be vinyl or what?=0A=0AThanks,=0ATim in central TX=0A=0A
=0A-----Original Message-----=0A>From: mr-fix-all <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-
electric.com>=0A>Sent: Mar 6, 2010 8:19 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.
com=0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Coverall Comps=0A>=0A>=0A>All,=0A>=0A>I sub
mit for your critique 2 comps I have created.=0A>These can be resized and p
laced almost anywhere.=0A>=0A>=0A>enjoy=0A>=0A>--------=0A>"Be who you
are and say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and=0Athose that
matter don't mind"- Dr. Seuss=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online her
e:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289433#289433=0A>
=0A>=0A>Attachments: =0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/mobil_150.p
df=0A>http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet2_139.pdf=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________- Message 20- _____________________________
_______=0A=0A=0ATime: 06:45:26 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dim
ple tape=0AFrom: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>=0A=0A=0ABen, =0AI'
m waiting with baited breath, to hear the flying data on the 612 wings that
are=0Ain the works. The glide is not anyway near the glide you are experie
ncing ,=0Anor the sink rate as fast.=0APieti Lowell=0A=0A=0A] =0A=0AI am fl
ying my hours off- and after 5 hours I am really impressed on how my ship
=0Ahandles.- It really likes 85 mph at 2500rpm. and will easily go to 95
RPM at=0A2900 rpm.- On final approach to landing I am trying to get used
the sink rate=0Afor landing. I like to land power off like I was taught., b
ut i FIND THAT IS=0ANOT POSSIBLE.- I have been reading about dimple tape
as a somewhat solution.=0AHave any of you experienced pietenpollers tried t
his and does it work?- Thanks=0Aguys, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A- - =0A
=0A[/quote][/quote]=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289437#289437=0A=0A=0A____________________
____________- Message 21- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0A
Time: 07:05:57 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coverall Comps=0AFr
om: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>=0A=0A=0AIt is possi
ble that you could have these made into a heat transfer, these are possible
=0Asilkscreenings for the coveralls that have been discussed here.- =0A
=0AWith some research I could silk screen this onto a fabric swatch that co
uld be=0Aaffixed to your finished craft.- =0A=0AI will be posting other c
omps as I complete them.=0A=0AJake=0A=0A--------=0A"Be who you are and
say what you think, those that mind don't matter, and=0Athose that matter
don't mind"- Dr. Seuss=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahtt
p://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289442#289442=0A=0A=0A__________
______________________- Message 22- ___________________________________
_=0A=0A=0ATime: 07:14:34 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coverall
Comps=0AFrom: "VanDy" <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>=0A=0A=0Ai would love t
o have 2 of each that could be made into t-shirts!- heat transfer=0Aor si
lkscreen=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp
://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289443#289443=0A=0A=0A___________
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=0A=0A=0ATime: 07:27:59 PM PST US=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Coverall C
omps=0AFrom: "mr-fix-all" <jb.spiegel@us.schneider-electric.com>=0A=0A=0AHe
re is my 3rd spin =0A=0AJake=0A=0A--------=0A"Be who you are and say w
hat you think, those that mind don't matter, and=0Athose that matter don't
mind"- Dr. Seuss=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://fo
rums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=289447#289447=0A=0A=0AAttachments: =0A
=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com//files/piet3_912.pdf=0A=0A=0A_______________
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=0A=0ATime: 07:31:05 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A=0AIf you down a ways on this pag
e you will see a chart=0Aof wood strength and weight;=0A=0Ahttp://clifdawso
n.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html=0A=0AMy plane is entirely Western Hemlock with Fir
Landing=0AGear and Cabanes. I have found 1" wide Fir planks for my=0ASpars
.=0A=0AClif=0A=0AThe voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes,
but in having new =0Aeyes.=0A-Marcel Proust -=0A=0A=0A> William,=0Ayou are
not locked in to using A/C Spruce. I have=0A> Hemlock in my tail, and the r
est is Poplar, including the ribs. All was =0A> bought at a local hardwood
supplier for under $300.=0A>=0A> Gary Boothe=0A=0A=0A______________________
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me: 09:39:59 PM PST US=0AFrom: Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy@gmail.com>
=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wood=0A=0A=0ACliff,=0AWhere did you go to f
ind that wood?=0AThanks=0AMike Townsley=0A=0AClif Dawson wrote:=0A>=0A> If
you down a ways on this page you will see a chart=0A> of wood strength and
weight;=0A>=0A> http://clifdawson.ca/Tools_and_Tips.html=0A>=0A> My plane i
s entirely Western Hemlock with Fir Landing=0A> Gear and Cabanes. I have fo
und 1" wide Fir planks for my=0A> Spars.=0A>=0A> Clif=0A>=0A> The voyage of
discovery is not in seeking new landscapes, but in =0A> having new eyes.
=0A> -Marcel Proust -=0A>=0A>=0A>> William,=0A> you are not locked in to us
ing A/C Spruce. I have=0A>> Hemlock in my tail, and the rest is Poplar, inc
luding the ribs. All =0A>> was bought at a local hardwood supplier for unde
r $300.=0A>>=0A>> Gary Boothe=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A_____________________________
___- Message 26- ____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 11:
42:53 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Clif Dawson" <=0A________________________________
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| Subject: | Message for Gene Rambo |
Douwe wants you to call him.
do not archive
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Three very good articles...
http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Pride-of-Cherry-Grove.html
dwilson
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| Subject: | pitot tube location |
The pitot on 41CC is located about halfway down
the jury strut on the starboard side. You have
to duck to get under the lift struts at that
point anyway, so you don't even get close to
the jury struts or pitot and nobody has even
come close to bumping the pitot yet.
If you put it up on the wing leading edge,
unless you're building your Piet as a trigear
it will actually be up higher than most peoples'
heads (except for very tall folks). That said,
I have seen more than one KR with the removable
insert type of pitot tube. Down at the level of
a KR's wing leading edge, pitots are really in
harm's way for getting bent or broken.
PS, good to see Walt back on the list!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | one man's suggestion for not bending any tubing |
Richard,
I ended up simply sticking a piece of =BC" stainless steel tubing thru a ho
le in the leading edge of my wing and connecting
it inside the wing with poly tubing and fittings from Wicks sold for the pu
rpose of being used in routing airspeed and
pitot/static lines. Don't bother running static lines-you don't need
them in an open cockpit airplane. Just plug the
ASI and altimeter static ports with a pipe plug and drill a tiny hole in th
e plug to let the instrument vent slightly. Whala.
Also to hide my air speed line coming down from the inside of the wing I ju
st ran it down the inside of the right rear cabane
strut into the instrument panel bay.
We don't need to bend no stinkin'g tubing !!! We ain't got no stinking t
ubing.
Mike C.
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So I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMAP 96 (black and white) and just curious as to
what everyone else uses. I have a Garmin 92, but its a little outdated, and
the 96 seems to be better but equivalent in weight and size. I learned to navigate
by map, but its nice to have the GPS for when night fall or the gas level
gets low! the only electronics I plan on running is for coms between seats,
and a battery powered GPS for standby. Stuff like that does come in Handy!!!
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 cabane length |
timothywillis(at)earthlin wrote:
> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> --
Tim,
I think that is the norm for the Piet. but the GN-1 has the spars relocated and
thus the attachment hardware relocated, and with the larger radius leading edge
which adjusts the leading edge end of the mean aerodynamic chord upward. All
of these slight changes add up to 3/8" less on the GN-1. Perhaps I am splitting
too many hairs here and the actual angle of incidence may not be that critical.
Maybe several with flying GN-1's could chime in here.
Jon in central NY
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | simple LE wing pitot tube installation |
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