---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/19/10: 59 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Re: Handheld GPS (gcardinal) 2. 01:18 AM - Re: Message for Gene Rambo (Gene Rambo) 3. 03:59 AM - Big day!! (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 04:04 AM - #3 of 3 photos from Douwe (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 05:00 AM - Re: Big day!! (Jack Phillips) 6. 05:04 AM - Photo sizes (Jim Ash) 7. 05:29 AM - Re: Photo sizes (Jerry Dotson) 8. 05:42 AM - Re: Big day!! (Gary Boothe) 9. 05:42 AM - Re: Big day!! (Mike Townsley) 10. 05:54 AM - Re: simple LE wing pitot tube installation (H RULE) 11. 05:59 AM - Re: Big day!! (Ben Charvet) 12. 05:59 AM - Re: Big day!! (airlion) 13. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Roman Bukolt) 14. 06:04 AM - Re: Photo sizes (Bill Church) 15. 06:04 AM - Re: simple LE wing pitot tube installation (airlion) 16. 06:05 AM - Re: Big day!! (Jim Ash) 17. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Photo sizes (Jim Ash) 18. 06:09 AM - Re: Handheld GPS (Doug Dever) 19. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: Photo sizes (Jim Ash) 20. 06:33 AM - Re: Handheld GPS (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 21. 06:34 AM - a serious response: Handheld GPS (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 22. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Thomas Bernie) 23. 07:22 AM - Re: Handheld GPS (Doug Dever) 24. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Photo sizes (Ryan Mueller) 25. 07:25 AM - Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS (Ryan Mueller) 26. 07:39 AM - Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS (K5YAC) 27. 07:52 AM - Re: Big day!! (K5YAC) 28. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Photo sizes (David Paule) 29. 08:32 AM - Re: Air & Space (Rick Holland) 30. 01:15 PM - Re: one man's suggestion for not bending any tubing (Rick Holland) 31. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Rick Holland) 32. 01:25 PM - puffs of smoke (Oscar Zuniga) 33. 01:49 PM - Re: Big day!! (Rick Holland) 34. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Thomas Bernie) 35. 04:07 PM - cork float (airlion) 36. 04:39 PM - Re: cork float (Rick Holland) 37. 04:51 PM - Re: cork float (Jeff Boatright) 38. 04:59 PM - Re: cork float (H RULE) 39. 05:01 PM - just another idea and concept to ponder (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 40. 05:13 PM - Re: cork float (airlion) 41. 05:35 PM - Re: cork float (Ryan Mueller) 42. 05:45 PM - Re: puffs of smoke (K5YAC) 43. 06:00 PM - Re: cork float (skellytown flyer) 44. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS On the Cheap (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 45. 07:02 PM - Re: cork float (Jack Phillips) 46. 07:15 PM - Re: Re: cork float (bryan green) 47. 07:57 PM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon) 48. 07:59 PM - intercom (Douwe Blumberg) 49. 08:02 PM - Re: cork float (Pieti Lowell) 50. 08:14 PM - Re: intercom (gcardinal) 51. 08:14 PM - Re: intercom (Jeff Boatright) 52. 08:15 PM - Re: cork float (coxwelljon) 53. 08:15 PM - Re: intercom (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 54. 08:24 PM - Re: intercom (Jeff Boatright) 55. 08:29 PM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (coxwelljon) 56. 09:03 PM - Re: cork float (V Groah) 57. 09:45 PM - Re: Re: cork float (Jim) 58. 11:21 PM - Re: Re: cork float (Clif Dawson) 59. 11:35 PM - Re: Re: Photo sizes (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:10 AM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS I use a sectional, a compass and a clock. No worries. I have yet to experience a "Low Signal Strength" or "Low Battery" with a sectional. My teenagers might tell you I'm old-school because I'm too thick headed to learn how to program a GPS....... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "VanDy" Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS > > > So I'm going to buy a Garmin GPSMAP 96 (black and white) and just curious > as to what everyone else uses. I have a Garmin 92, but its a little > outdated, and the 96 seems to be better but equivalent in weight and size. > I learned to navigate by map, but its nice to have the GPS for when night > fall or the gas level gets low! the only electronics I plan on running is > for coms between seats, and a battery powered GPS for standby. Stuff like > that does come in Handy!!! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290819#290819 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:36 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Message for Gene Rambo yea, he said you should rethink your paint scheme!!!!!!!!!!! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Message for Gene Rambo Douwe wants you to call him. do not archive http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! From: helspersew@aol.com This message is from Douwe Blumberg. Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of eautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic hatsover. God is good!!! Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, ga ve t a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we ere off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tai l p at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the unway. Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me elieve it is almost there! Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: #3 of 3 photos from Douwe From: helspersew@aol.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:17 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! Looking good, Douwe! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! This message is from Douwe Blumberg. Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic whatsover. God is good!!! Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the runway. Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me believe it is almost there! Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:27 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photo sizes Guys Can you please shrunk down your photos before sending them? Between all the photos I received since last night, you guys burned up 13 meg of disk and blew the limit on my email buffer space. The photos are cool and I like seeing them, but we're not printing a magazine here. We don't need 1 meg+ resolution on every photo to get the point across. Jim Ash ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes From: "Jerry Dotson" I love the big files as I save them all to my PIET folders. I just don't get emailed updates I do mine all by computer. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290876#290876 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:33 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! Beautiful pics!!! I like the old barn and water tower in the background. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! This message is from Douwe Blumberg. Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic whatsover. God is good!!! Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the runway. Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me believe it is almost there! Douwe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:33 AM PST US From: Mike Townsley Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! Way to go Douwe! The plane looks fantastic, a true antique! Pics with the old watertower look great! Nice job. I am anxious to hear of the maiden voyage! Mike Townsley helspersew@aol.com wrote: > This message is from Douwe Blumberg. > > > Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of > beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic > whatsover. God is good!!! > > Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave > it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we > were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail > up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the > runway. > > Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me > believe it is almost there! > Douwe > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:16 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: simple LE wing pitot tube installation This looks more like a cannon mounted on a wing do not archive ________________________________ From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Thu, March 18, 2010 3:31:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: simple LE wing pitot tube installation ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:48 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! If you think raising the tail is fun, wait till you raise the mains too! Looking forward to hearing your first flight report. Beautiful airplane! Ben Charvet 11.1 hours on Hobbs On 3/19/2010 6:57 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > This message is from Douwe Blumberg. > > > Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of > beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic > whatsover. God is good!!! > > Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave > it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we > were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail > up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the > runway. > > Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me > believe it is almost there! > Douwe > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:53 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! Great job Douwe. It looks like we will have a great turn out at Brodhead this year. I have 7 hours now on mine now and a clear and warm weekend coming up. Gardiner Mason --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Mike Townsley wrote: > From: Mike Townsley > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 4:40 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: Mike Townsley > > Way to go Douwe! The plane looks fantastic, a true antique! > Pics with > the old watertower look great! Nice job. I am > anxious to hear of the > maiden voyage! > Mike Townsley > > helspersew@aol.com > wrote: > > This message is from Douwe Blumberg. > > > > > > Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of > paradise. 3100' of > > beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either > side and NO traffic > > whatsover. God is good!!! > > > > Hooked everything back up after having removed the > wings for transport, gave > > it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a > little and then we > > were off for some taxi-testing. Everything > worked well, I ever got the tail > > up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze > coming straight down the > > runway. > > > > Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The > pictures are helping me > > believe it is almost there! > > Douwe > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:05 AM PST US From: Roman Bukolt Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length FYI If memory serves me right, in 2005 at Broadhead, I measured the cabanes of all the Piets (18?). Everyone had 1" shorter rear cabane than the front one. Roman B. NX20795 Also my Piet has the 1" difference. On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:52 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > > > > OK, I did my measuring. I did a little more looking on the web and > found that the recommended angle of incidence for the Pietenpol wing > is 3 degrees. I am assuming it is the same for the GN-1 wing. From > posts I read this allows for some washout on the tips. As I > remember from Broadhead this summer the washout makes the Piet a > much better flying bird. > > I struck a chalk line from the trailing edge to the center of the > curve on the leading edge to get the chord line. The chord line is > at an angle of 1.83 degrees to a line through the center of the > mounting holes for the cabane struts. To get to the recommended 3 > degrees I will need to lengthen my front cabanes by 5/8" to get 3 > degrees. Probably the easiest is to weld another tube for the > attach bolt on top of the existing attach point and a new saddle > strap over the top. The fix will be tell tale at any gatherings but > then I am not building a show plane and it seems like a lot less > work than cutting the strut and lengthening it. > > Thanks for your comments > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290778#290778 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes From: "Bill Church" Here's a differing viewpoint regarding photo sizes: I LIKE the big photos. Personally, I'm always disappointed when the photo attachments are so small that I can't make out details. I know that a few years ago, there were still a few guys with dial-up internet connections who were constantly complaining about how long it would take to download the messages that had decent sized photos attached - but I don't think there are too many people still on dial-up. My home email is pretty basic (through my phone line) and I can send and receive attachments up to 10 Megs. I think that the size limit prescribed by Matronics is reasonable (2 Meg maximum), in today's world. So I say, keep the big photos coming - especially like those great shots of Douwe's new plane, and the close-up details of Mike's pitot lines. Each of those shots were worth at least 1000 proverbial words. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290892#290892 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:15 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: simple LE wing pitot tube installation Is that a 50 caliber machine gun in your wing Michael?- Cheers, Gardiner --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Subject: Pietenpol-List: simple LE wing pitot tube installation =0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A-=0A =0A-=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:04 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! The plane looks amazing; I like the color scheme. That plane ain't gonna get lost against a blue sky. Very nice job, Douwe. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! Beautiful pics!!! I like the old barn and water tower in the background Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! This message is from Douwe Blumberg. Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' ofbeautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO trafficwhatsover. God is good!!! Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gaveit a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then wewere off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tailup at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down therunway. Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping mebelieve it is almost there! Douwe ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:53 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes Actually, I save a lot of them myself, too. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Dotson >Sent: Mar 19, 2010 7:26 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes > > >I love the big files as I save them all to my PIET folders. I just don't get emailed updates I do mine all by computer. > >-------- >Jerry Dotson >59 Daniel Johnson Rd >Baker, FL 32531 > >Started building NX510JD July, 2009 >Ribs and tailfeathers done >using Lycoming O-235 > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290876#290876 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:17 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS What's GPS? Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:24 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes I'm not on dial-up; it's DSL. What I am on is a web-mail server with limited buffer space for each user. I'm a visual guy, and a picture is worth a thousand words to me also. But I suspect you could cut the photo resolution in half, still get the point across, and only a photographer could tell the difference. Glamour shots like Douwe's plane need really good resolution because I'll blow them up to full-screen size (I'd do life-size if I had the monitor for it), but you don't need that for close-up's of welds, glue joints and other such construction tips. I'm not trying to cause any dissention amongst the ranks. If I'm the only one who cares, I'll sit down ahd shut up. Blue skies. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:00 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes > > >Here's a differing viewpoint regarding photo sizes: > >I LIKE the big photos. >Personally, I'm always disappointed when the photo attachments are so small that I can't make out details. I know that a few years ago, there were still a few guys with dial-up internet connections who were constantly complaining about how long it would take to download the messages that had decent sized photos attached - but I don't think there are too many people still on dial-up. My home email is pretty basic (through my phone line) and I can send and receive attachments up to 10 Megs. I think that the size limit prescribed by Matronics is reasonable (2 Meg maximum), in today's world. >So I say, keep the big photos coming - especially like those great shots of Douwe's new plane, and the close-up details of Mike's pitot lines. Each of those shots were worth at least 1000 proverbial words. > >Bill C. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290892#290892 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:45 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS What's GPS? Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Doug-that stands for getting pretty stupid:) ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:22 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: a serious response: Handheld GPS I use a simple Garmin Pilot III GPS since it doesn't draw enough current to warrant a supplemental battery like the larger and/or color screens do. I'm old school too Greg for the most part with regard to things like GPS and cell phones. (use a Tracphone only when necessary) I've always been a hold out on things like getting answering machines, gps, and cell phones. For many years I went everywhere NORDO but finally broke down and bought a handheld Icom A-4 mostly to just hear where the other guys in the pattern are. I usually just announce my arrival with a few puffs of smoke. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length From: Thomas Bernie Tim, I think 1" has been working out about right for Piet guys. The GN-1 is sort of a different animal -- the plans, depending on which ones you have, all give different lengths that result in insufficient, or negative a.o.i. The way the spars and fittings are configured (i.e. equal height at the spar attach fittings does not give you zero a.o.i.). This has come up a couple of times among GN-1 builders in the past -- but no consensus. We know the plans give a crappy result, so every man for himself. Regards, Tom On Mar 18, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Tim Willis wrote: > > Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter? > Tim in central TX > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Thomas Bernie >> Sent: Mar 18, 2010 8:47 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length >> >> >> Guys, >> If you build cabane length to the CAD or previous plans you will end up with zero or minus angle of incidence (from mean cord line). The plane will fly tail low (as reported) with added trim drag and you won't be able to touch down at stall speed with out hitting the tail wheel first. I physically measured the angle of my center section to confirm 1.5 degree a.o.i. with the aft struts 1" shorter. >> Tom Bernie >> Gloucester Mass >> N666TB >> >> On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:28 AM, skellytown flyer wrote: >> >>> >>> Jon I expect you will get many answers on that.I like you bought my project and the cabanes were done. I believe DJ made them both longer to help with entry and with more angle of attack to help the fuselage fly more level since he thought many of the planes flew in a tail low attitude.naturally it flies with the wing at the right angle to provide the needed lift and your fuselage angle is determined by that. so he reasoned that having slightly longer front cabanes would level the fuse in flight.at least that's what I remember him telling me.does that make sense or help? I'm currently trying to finish up the cowling so I can start final assembly. Where are you located?Raymond. Texas panhandle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290729#290729 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:57 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS Mike. That was my sarcastic remark to Greg's comment (I use a sectional=2C a compass and a clock. No worries. I have yet to experience a "Low Signal Strength" or "Low Battery" with a sectional. My teenagers might tell you I'm old-school because I'm too thick headed to learn how to program a GPS....... Greg Cardinal) But=2C I like your acronym too. Please do not archive Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Handheld GPS What's GPS? Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Doug=97that stands for getting pretty stupidJ _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes From: Ryan Mueller Bill, Jim can receive 10MB attachments as well, but unfortunately Earthlink allots a paltry 100MB total for his entire inbox. Seems to me to be a bit of a holdover from dial-up days, as 100MB nowadays is not much. I think I've been using GMail since early '07, and between personal emails and the Piet list I am using over 1.5GB(!) of space on their server. Thankfully I have 7.4GB of total space alloted, and can send and receive up to 25MB attachments. Jim, I sympathize with your situation; a friend I used to provide computer assistance to was on dial-up because they were out in the country and could get nothing else. I think they only had something like 50MB on their ISP's server for email. Every time we'd visit I would have to login to the webmail and clear out messages because their inbox was full and it would stop sending messages through to their email program. A few forwards with pics of cute animals or airplanes and it would stop up their mailbox. However, I have to agree with the others...keep sending big beautiful pics (within reason, for Matronics sake)! There are alternatives to using your Earthlink email....Gmail is a pretty good system and you would have absolutely no storage issues. Their "conversation" method of handling emails is a little different, but I think it makes it easier to keep track of your emails. Yahoo, Windows Live, there are a number of alternatives to "get up to speed" in the email dept. Good luck! Ryan do not archive On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > > I'm not on dial-up; it's DSL. What I am on is a web-mail server with > limited buffer space for each user. I'm a visual guy, and a picture is worth > a thousand words to me also. But I suspect you could cut the photo > resolution in half, still get the point across, and only a photographer > could tell the difference. Glamour shots like Douwe's plane need really good > resolution because I'll blow them up to full-screen size (I'd do life-size > if I had the monitor for it), but you don't need that for close-up's of > welds, glue joints and other such construction tips. > > I'm not trying to cause any dissention amongst the ranks. If I'm the only > one who cares, I'll sit down ahd shut up. > > Blue skies. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Bill Church > >Sent: Mar 19, 2010 8:00 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes > > > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > > >Here's a differing viewpoint regarding photo sizes: > > > >I LIKE the big photos. > >Personally, I'm always disappointed when the photo attachments are so > small that I can't make out details. I know that a few years ago, there were > still a few guys with dial-up internet connections who were constantly > complaining about how long it would take to download the messages that had > decent sized photos attached - but I don't think there are too many people > still on dial-up. My home email is pretty basic (through my phone line) and > I can send and receive attachments up to 10 Megs. I think that the size > limit prescribed by Matronics is reasonable (2 Meg maximum), in today's > world. > >So I say, keep the big photos coming - especially like those great shots > of Douwe's new plane, and the close-up details of Mike's pitot lines. Each > of those shots were worth at least 1000 proverbial words. > > > >Bill C. > > > > > > > > > >Read this topic online here: > > > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290892#290892 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a serious response: Handheld GPS From: Ryan Mueller Mike, Don't you use the same method when arriving on foot? ;) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > I usually just announce my > arrival with a few puffs of smoke. > > Mike C. > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS From: "K5YAC" I'm not flying my Piet yet (nowhere close), but I have, and intend to use, a Garmin GPSMAP 195 and an Icom IC-A22 NAVCOM. Of course I won't need the GPS unless I'm flying cross country. Even then I don't NEED it, but it sure is nice to just fly direct, following the CDI. As for the radio, it is such a small package, and offers so much added safety that I can't really consider NOT using it. I also hope to teach my son to fly in the Piet... so he will need to learn to use the radio, and I'm sure we will appreciate the intercom. I have a great view of the approach to rwy 17 from my hangar, where I see non-radio guys cutting off people on final all the time. I'm not trying to include everyone in that comment. Heck, there may be days that I just want to fly around the patch without my headset on, but just yesterday I saw one of our breezy fliers cut off two aircraft (at different times) that were well established on final. For starters he took the active and departed in front of one, and later he flew a short pattern and turned final right in front of another that was already established on final and was flying a proper pattern. I know all of the people involved and I imagine Mr. Breezy will hear about it. I'm aware that these things just happen occasionally, but we have students flying at our field, and I regularly see people stop by that are not from our field (for fuel, visit, etc.) and they probably don't know (nor do they expect to see) Mr. Breezy cutting in underneath them. We all need to work on our scan to be safe, but I also think this particular pilot's vision may improve if he had something on his ears. :) Anyhow, I'm not trying to rant as much as I am trying to promote a couple of useful widgets. Especially the radio. As stated above, the IC-A22 is a NAVCOM, so I could navigate with it using VOR stations, which is actually pretty fun. A lot of bang for the buck in a modern day handheld. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290915#290915 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Big day!! From: "K5YAC" Very cool! I am going to the hangar RIGHT NOW to make some wood shavings. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290917#290917 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:39 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes I'd also prefer smaller ones. You can always post them in one of the free photo sites and provide us with a link, after all. Thanks for the beautiful pictures anyway! Real pretty airplane, with the perfect color scheme. David Paule ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Air & Space From: Rick Holland Thanks for the link, makes me want to go read my copy of The Pietenpol Story again. rick On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 7:40 PM, dwilson wrote: > > Three very good articles... > > http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/The-Pride-of-Cherry-Grove.html > > > dwilson > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290812#290812 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: one man's suggestion for not bending any tubing From: Rick Holland Mike I must have gotten the leading edge pitot tube idea from you, one question, did you glue the stainless tube to your leading edge? Or is it removable? thanks rick On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Richard, > > > I ended up simply sticking a piece of stainless steel tubing thru a hole > in the leading edge of my wing and connecting > > it inside the wing with poly tubing and fittings from Wicks sold for the > purpose of being used in routing airspeed and > > pitot/static lines. Dont bother running static linesyou dont need > them in an open cockpit airplane. Just plug the > > ASI and altimeter static ports with a pipe plug and drill a tiny hole in the > plug to let the instrument vent slightly. Whala. > > > Also to hide my air speed line coming down from the inside of the wing I > just ran it down the inside of the right rear cabane > > strut into the instrument panel bay. > > > We dont need to bend no stinking tubing !!! We aint got no stinking > tubing. > > > Mike C. > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length From: Rick Holland I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" rear. rick On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM, coxwelljon wrote: > > > timothywillis(at)earthlin wrote: >> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter? >> Tim in central TX >>a >> >> -- > > Tim, > > I think that is the norm for the Piet. but the GN-1 has the spars relocated and thus the attachment hardware relocated, and with the larger radius leading edge which adjusts the leading edge end of the mean aerodynamic chord upward. All of these slight changes add up to 3/8" less on the GN-1. Perhaps I am splitting too many hairs here and the actual angle of incidence may not be that critical. Maybe several with flying GN-1's could chime in here. > > Jon in central NY > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290820#290820 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:09 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: puffs of smoke Mikee wrote- >I usually just announce my arrival with a few >puffs of smoke. Careful what you say. In Native American smoke signal talk, those puffs mean "Yankee Boy on Board" and might invite a volley of small-arms fire ;o) do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Big day!! From: Rick Holland Wow, beautiful, especially the wood struts and cabanes and the paint job. What kind of paint did you use? (I liked the large pictures). rick On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:57 AM, wrote: > This message is from Douwe Blumberg. > > > Went to the strip today, which is really a slice of paradise. 3100' of > beautiful smooth grass, with no buildings on either side and NO traffic > whatsover. God is good!!! > > Hooked everything back up after having removed the wings for transport, gave > it a good bath and fiddled with the mixture control a little and then we > were off for some taxi-testing. Everything worked well, I ever got the tail > up at a nice slow speed, thanks to a good breeze coming straight down the > runway. > > Seemed rather surreal after all this time. The pictures are helping me > believe it is almost there! > > Douwe > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length From: Thomas Bernie Tim, I know that -- I built my GN-1 from CAD plans. The plans are wrong and that's not the only thing in the plans you have to watch out for. Tom On Mar 19, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Rick Holland wrote: > > I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom > bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" > rear. > > rick > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 8:55 PM, coxwelljon wrote: >> >> >> timothywillis(at)earthlin wrote: >>> Tom, isn't the "standard" to build with the aft cabanes 1" shorter? >>> Tim in central TX >>> a >>> >>> -- >> >> Tim, >> >> I think that is the norm for the Piet. but the GN-1 has the spars relocated and thus the attachment hardware relocated, and with the larger radius leading edge which adjusts the leading edge end of the mean aerodynamic chord upward. All of these slight changes add up to 3/8" less on the GN-1. Perhaps I am splitting too many hairs here and the actual angle of incidence may not be that critical. Maybe several with flying GN-1's could chime in here. >> >> Jon in central NY >> >> -------- >> Jon Coxwell >> GN-1 Builder >> Recycle and preserve the planet >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290820#290820 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > > > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:07:34 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Pietenpol-List: cork float I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float From: Rick Holland Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be appreciated. Rick On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote: > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:13 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Hey Gardiner, I coated ours in regular old T-88. No problems so far, but I only use avgas. Jeff > >I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. >How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:19 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float I-remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;should be in th archives=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Rick Hol land =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, M arch 19, 2010 7:38:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Rick Holland =0A=0AG ood question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question=0Alast we ek. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a=0Astainless we lding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a=0Athing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with=0Aanything). Have he ard of people coating them with varnish, and have=0Aseen auto fuel tank flo ats used in place of cork, any ideas would be=0Aappreciated.=0A=0ARick=0A =0AOn Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote: =0A>=0A> I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage . How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARick Holland=0ACastle Rock, Color ============= ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:01 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: just another idea and concept to ponder Hello good people..... A new idea and concept for the group to ponder. As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as fellow lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the design genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the aeroplane. We as a collection of builders have at our disposal some, many and all of the requisite skill levels to construct such a machine with little assistance or intervention from the outside world. The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be lacking in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a reality. From prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has a skill set that is good in some areas and not so good in others. Knowing these basic tenants I am curious as to who or what builders would welcome the talents of other builders equipped with tools and skills would be interested in having a group of builders show up at their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build utilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand to accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the tools to get the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal workers, mechanical workers and the like showing up to get a build from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a Pietenpol. I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to participate in building another Piet as one group. The other group would be a builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in advancing their project to a next or greater level of completion. This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I have both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other that are portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to speak of. I also have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to a build site for a few days to help another builder. There are others with tools and skills that may also be portable. Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would be willing to share their time and expertise to get another build moving and another builder to a next level of completion. I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week end to help and how many would be interested in receiving those willing to help. Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know if there is any interest at all in helping or being helped. Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for identification purposes. I know how this works. Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we are cooking with gas! What say you? John ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:08 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Rick, I tried a cork the size of a wine cork on a 1/8in welding rod and it was not enough to float it. Bigger cork maybe? Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ From: H RULE Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:58:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float I remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;should be in th archives ________________________________ From: Rick Holland Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:38:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be appreciated. Rick On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote: > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of phe many List utilities such as List > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.===================== ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:25 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Shellac? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:05 PM, airlion wrote: > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. > How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: puffs of smoke From: "K5YAC" [Laughing] -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290981#290981 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float From: "skellytown flyer" I think at one time Shellac was used.but with the ever changing automotive fuels I wouldn't bet anything would stand up long term.but if you stay with avgas it might-and maybe 2 floats in line could work-I'm still looking for a good round brass float to try on mine. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290986#290986 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:46 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS On the Cheap I am one CSOB (Cheap Son Of a Beech) I fly a VFR only 1948 Beechcraft Bonanza. Other than a compas and map My Vtail only has a VOR for navigation. Currently I use two handhelds in that Bonanaza. One is a handheld Magellan Explorist 200. It is a hiking GPS, the database has airports as well. It shows a moving map with major roads, towns by name and bodies of water. It has a light function. You can also set it up on a navigation screen that has a Compass rose with your heading and the bearing direct to your destination. You can put in multiple waypoints. Show ETA, ETE, GS, Bearing, HEading and distance traveled. Uses 2 AA batteries. Cost new on amazon is about $130. It has a small screen for the map but plenty big for the navigation screen The other GPS is the Garmin NUVI 370. It is the one I bought for my wife to get around San Antonio. She hates driving in towns. I put it on Off Road function and It gives me a direct to arrow. It also has airports in the database. It also shows the roads (in detail), the towns, rivers, golf courses, parks, Airports and other detail. It plugs into my cigar lighter, though it has a pretty robust battery. Cost about $350 I set the Garmin on Map page and the Magellan on Navigation page. Then I follow with the map. Using the VOR just to keep current with it. Anyone should be able to find a GPS that does this much at least as cheap. Just an Idea. no Aviation database but it tell you where north is. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: K5YAC Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a serious response: Handheld GPS > > I'm not flying my Piet yet (nowhere close), but I have, and intend to use, a Garmin GPSMAP 195 and an Icom IC-A22 NAVCOM. Of course > I won't need the GPS unless I'm flying cross country. Even then I > don't NEED it, but it sure is nice to just fly direct, following > the CDI. As for the radio, it is such a small package, and offers > so much added safety that I can't really consider NOT using it. I > also hope to teach my son to fly in the Piet... so he will need to > learn to use the radio, and I'm sure we will appreciate the intercom. > > I have a great view of the approach to rwy 17 from my hangar, > where I see non-radio guys cutting off people on final all the > time. I'm not trying to include everyone in that comment. Heck, > there may be days that I just want to fly around the patch without > my headset on, but just yesterday I saw one of our breezy fliers > cut off two aircraft (at different times) that were well > established on final. For starters he took the active and > departed in front of one, and later he flew a short pattern and > turned final right in front of another that was already > established on final and was flying a proper pattern. I know all > of the people involved and I imagine Mr. Breezy will hear about > it. I'm aware that these things just happen occasionally, but we > have students flying at our field, and I regularly see people stop > by that are not from our field (for fuel, visit, etc.) and they > probably don't know (nor do they expect to see) Mr. Breezy cutting > in underneath them. We all need to ! > work on our scan to be safe, but I also think this particular > pilot's vision may improve if he had something on his ears. :) > > Anyhow, I'm not trying to rant as much as I am trying to promote a > couple of useful widgets. Especially the radio. As stated above, > the IC-A22 is a NAVCOM, so I could navigate with it using VOR > stations, which is actually pretty fun. A lot of bang for the > buck in a modern day handheld. > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290915#290915 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:04 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cork float I made a float out of fishing rod handle cork rings glued together, and coated the whole thing with T-88, and then with Stits PolyFiber Epoxy Varnish. Works great. The fishing rod cork rings can be purchased from any company that sells rod building supplies. I think I got mine from Hook & Hackle: http://www.hookhack.com/ Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Rick, I tried a cork the size of a wine cork on a 1/8in welding rod and it was not enough to float it. Bigger cork maybe? Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: H RULE Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:58:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float I remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;should be in th archives _____ From: Rick Holland Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:38:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be appreciated. Rick On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote: > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of phe many List utilities such as List > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.===================== ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:01 PM PST US From: "bryan green" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float Just something to think about. The more systems you have the more preceived problems you have to solve. How much redundantcy do you really need on a simple plane and when does that plane become complicated? JMHO if you have an electronic fuel gauge that is backup for a stick fuel tester watch and the knowlege of your fuel burn per hour plus reserve. The best backup fuel guage would be a sight glass. I am not trying to start anything just start a thought process. "Trusting any fuel gauge should only be done in the pattern for dead stick practice" Bryan Green Elgin SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:59 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float > > > I think at one time Shellac was used.but with the ever changing automotive > fuels I wouldn't bet anything would stand up long term.but if you stay > with avgas it might-and maybe 2 floats in line could work-I'm still > looking for a good round brass float to try on mine. Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290986#290986 > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length From: "coxwelljon" at7000ft wrote: > I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom > bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" > rear. > > rick > > Rick and others, It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I will have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1 drawings) and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will report back. Seems like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be good to settle this as there is no support from Don Grega. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290993#290993 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:28 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom Hey, What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment. Thanks Douwe ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float From: "Pieti Lowell" Gardnier. I use a cork just to fit through the filler, about 2 inches long, with a SS wire pushed through, and bent 120 degree, pushed back into the cork. Dip 5 or more times in Shellac. Remove when not flying, cap with a vent is to keep fuel clean when not flying. I have used this construction in Piets since 1965, running 90 % on auto gas and 10 % 100 low lead. Keep the SS wire small dia. Still working well. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290995#290995 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:45 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: intercom Check out Lynx headsets at: http://www.easyflight.com/price/sr1ss.html I have no experience with them but they are designed for open cockpit / high noise enviroments. I have heard reports that they work well. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom > > > Hey, > > What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through > their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom > unit > and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem > less > finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment. > > Thanks > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:45 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: intercom Douwe, We have this set-up in our Piet. It works with several different headsets. We've been very, very happy with the rig. I'll check the manufacturers of of the intercom and PTT switch when I go out tomorrow. Too long since installed from me to remember the company names. J > > >Hey, > >What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through >their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit >and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less >finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment. > >Thanks > >Douwe -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float From: "coxwelljon" luther b green wrote: > Just something to think about. The more systems you have the more preceived > problems you have to solve. How much redundantcy do you really need on a > simple plane and when does that plane become complicated? > JMHO if you have an electronic fuel gauge that is backup for a stick fuel > tester watch and the knowlege of your fuel burn per hour plus reserve. The > best backup fuel guage would be a sight glass. I am not trying to start > anything just start a thought process. > > "Trusting any fuel gauge should only be done in the pattern for dead stick > practice" > Bryan Green > Elgin SC > --- Something else to think about, there was a recent article in the EAA ultra light online newsletter. http://www.eaa.org/lightplaneworld/articles/1003_warning.asp A fellow fried his rotax engine because of a fiberglass and epoxy gas tank. T88 is epoxy and may be subject to deterioration by the ethanol blend fuels. I am not recommending the use of ethanol but it could end up in a fuel tank by mistake for someone who uses auto fuel. cork is a natural material and doesn't really absorb liquid. Does it need to be sealed? I would put a cork in a can of gas and let it sit for some days and see what happens. Jon Adirondack Park NY -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290998#290998 ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:08 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: intercom A buddy of mine has a motorcycle battery that he recharges and uses for his handheld radio. Blue Skies, Steve d ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: intercom > > Hey, > > What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through > their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit > and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less > finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment. > > Thanks > > Douwe > > > > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:56 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: intercom Douwe, I misspoke. We do not have PTT switches in both cockpits. We don't need it. We have a battery-powered intercom with good volume and squelch controls. I'll collect information on the parts tomorrow and post. Jeff > > >Hey, > >What would be a good set up to allow pilot and passenger to talk through >their headsets. Is all I need two headsets, a battery powered intercom unit >and two push to talk adaptors? I prefer push to talk as they just seem less >finnicky in an open cockpit enviornment. > >Thanks > >Douwe -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder From: "coxwelljon" Sounds like a Pietenpol for Humanity project. Something to think about. I think a workshop experience like W. Wynne does with his Corvair engines would be of interest. I kind of like to work by myself and have most of the tools I need, but would be interested in weekend workshop devoted to the various types of construction needed for a Piet or GN-1. A series of workshops to cover most of the processes. Might be helpful to work with a local EAA chapter. Jon Adirondack Park, NY -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291004#291004 ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:43 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cork float There is a product called Quick Polly. It works well on floats. I have us ed it several times. It is a 2 part mix epoxy and cures in about 10 minute s. It has the viscosity of paint thinner and soaks in a bit. The instucti ons that came with the packaging said it is good for sealing gas tanks. I don't have the source at the monent but could look it up on the internet li ke I did to find it the last time. Good luck Vic MX414MV > Date: Fri=2C 19 Mar 2010 16:05:50 -0700 > From: airlion@bellsouth.net > Subject: Pietenpol-List: cork float > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How d o I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inb ox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:41 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float HI Rick and all, I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it is not bothered by the fuel. Plan on doing that when I finish my tank so don't know for sure. You can get shellac from Woodcraft and probably some paint stores. Jim Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine Mar 19, 2010 04:42:32 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote: Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be appreciated. Rick On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion wrote: > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:52 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Don't forget that the solvent that makes shellac liquid is alcohol, preferably grain alky. So be very careful with auto fuel. http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htm I had two other really good shellac sites but one got blowed up real good when Geocities melted down and the other just dissappeared! Clif > > HI Rick and all, > I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it > is not bothered by the fuel. > Jim ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:32 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photo sizes If you take the photo at the highest resolution on your camera then each pixel blob is really small. When you reduce that image you still have really small pixels. On the other hand, taking the pic with low resolution means they are quite large. This means that magnifying the image will give a clearer pic to a higher magnification on the former than it will on the latter. My images all start out at 1 to 1.5 meg. I reduce that to 90-120 range to send to the list. Although sometimes I do forget. :-) Clif > > I'm not on dial-up; it's DSL. What I am on is a web-mail server with > limited buffer space for each user. I'm a visual guy, and a picture is > worth a thousand words to me also. > > I'm not trying to cause any dissention amongst the ranks. 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