Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 03/20/10


Total Messages Posted: 30



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     1. 03:38 AM - Re: intercom (Jerry Dotson)
     2. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (bryan green)
     3. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: intercom (bryan green)
     4. 06:11 AM - cabane length (bryan green)
     5. 06:43 AM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     6. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: cork float (hvandervoo@aol.com)
     7. 07:44 AM - Re: cork float ()
     8. 07:44 AM -  (Douwe Blumberg)
     9. 07:48 AM - Re: Re: cork float (Rick Holland)
    10. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: intercom (Rick Holland)
    11. 08:03 AM - Re: cork float ()
    12. 08:04 AM - Re: Douwe's Piet (Tim Willis)
    13. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: cork float (Gary Boothe)
    14. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: cork float (Rick Holland)
    15. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: intercom (David Paule)
    16. 09:02 AM - Re: Douwe's Piet (Rick Holland)
    17. 09:07 AM - best fuel float ever (walt)
    18. 09:19 AM - Once again "those amazing Continentals" (walt)
    19. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: cork float (Rick Holland)
    20. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 cabane length (Skip Gadd)
    21. 09:51 AM - Re: intercom (K5YAC)
    22. 12:46 PM - Photos (jeff wilson)
    23. 12:59 PM - Re: Photos (Ryan Mueller)
    24. 02:12 PM - simple 1/4" stainless tubing for airspeed pitot tube (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    25. 02:12 PM - Re: cork float (Ryan Mueller)
    26. 02:13 PM - Re: puffs of smoke (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    27. 03:00 PM - Re: cork float (Jack Phillips)
    28. 04:40 PM - Re: intercom (Jerry Dotson)
    29. 05:42 PM - Re: just another idea and concept to ponder (Clif Dawson)
    30. 07:33 PM - Re: Once again "those amazing Continentals" (Mike King)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:38:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: intercom
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
    David Clark Model H5030 is sound powered. No boxes. Just a coax between the two. I have several years experience with them in a noisy 100-110db work area(14,000 HP engine room). The mouthpiece can be stuffed with cotton and just about totally eliminate the background noise. If you are just wanting intercom it can't be beat...at least 20 years without failure. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291020#291020


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    Time: 04:43:01 AM PST US
    From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: GN-1 cabane length
    My cabanes need rebuilding but are measurable and I will do that and post results today sometime. The picture of mine in flight looks level to me so I will keep the length to start with. I'll post the picture also so you guys can take a look. Bryan Green Elgin SC GN-1 rebuilding ----- Original Message ----- From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 10:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 cabane length > <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net> > > > at7000ft wrote: >> I have a copy of the newer CAD version of the GN-1 plans, the bottom >> bolt to top bolt centerline measurements are 23 1/4" front and 23 1/2" >> rear. >> >> rick >> >> > > > Rick and others, > > It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I > will have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1 > drawings) and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will > report back. Seems like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be > good to settle this as there is no support from Don Grega. > > -------- > Jon Coxwell > GN-1 Builder > Recycle and preserve the planet > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=290993#290993 > > >


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    Time: 04:57:43 AM PST US
    From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: intercom
    My intercom box is from Comtronics and has worked well for years with good mike muffs. Bryan Green Elgin SC GN-1 rebuilding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:38 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom > > David Clark Model H5030 is sound powered. No boxes. Just a coax between > the two. I have several years experience with them in a noisy 100-110db > work area(14,000 HP engine room). The mouthpiece can be stuffed with > cotton and just about totally eliminate the background noise. If you are > just wanting intercom it can't be beat...at least 20 years without > failure. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291020#291020 > > >


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    Time: 06:11:54 AM PST US
    From: "bryan green" <lgreen1@sc.rr.com>
    Subject: cabane length
    Mine are all 23.5" hole to hole centers, but I have no idea about the AOI until I set the center section back up and measure. Bryan Green Elgin SC GN-1 rebuilding The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: clip_image002


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    Time: 06:43:21 AM PST US
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
    I'd be interested in something like this, but not for a year or two. My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, and setting up & trammeling the wings. Within the year I will have moved my project into a more or less dedicated 24 x 30' workspace right at my house & I expect the pace tpick up quite a bit at that time. I've actually been hoping to find someone locally who would like to come in as a partner on my project, because I think it's a more sustainable use of resources to share a plane, and i also think the build process would be more fun, but no luck so far. Kip Gardner On Mar 19, 2010, at 8:00 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote: > Hello good people..... > > A new idea and concept for the group to ponder. > > As we all know and have recognized we all share a common bond as > fellow lovers of the blue, aviators, builders connected through the > design genius of Bernard Pietenpol and his flying contraption the > aeroplane. We as a collection of builders have at our disposal > some, many and all of the requisite skill levels to construct such > a machine with little assistance or intervention from the outside > world. > > The there are those who would love to join our ranks but may be > lacking in skills, equipment and time to turn their dream into a > reality. From prints to Piet if you will. We know that everyone has > a skill set that is good in some areas and not so good in others. > Knowing these basic tenants I am curious as to who or what builders > would welcome the talents of other builders equipped with tools and > skills would be interested in having a group of builders show up at > their hanger, barn, basement or garage for a weekend build > utilizing all the skills of the people interested in lending a hand > to accomplish a number of tasks to get the project going bring the > tools to get the certain aspects completed. Woodworkers, metal > workers, mechanical workers and the like showing up to get a build > from a stalled stage to a more accomplished state of being a > Pietenpol. > > I am speaking about two groups of people, those with the skills and > resources capable of committing to a 2 or 3 day weekend to > participate in building another Piet as one group. The other group > would be a builder or would be builder who in need of assistance in > advancing their project to a next or greater level of completion. > > This again is but another concept for consideration. For example I > have both tools not all that I need but certainly more than other > that are portable, a trailer to transport them and no skills to > speak of. I also have lodging as in a popup/tent camper to bring to > a build site for a few days to help another builder. There are > others with tools and skills that may also be portable. > > Through this cooperative of a half dozen or more people who would > be willing to share their time and expertise to get another build > moving and another builder to a next level of completion. > > I am wonder how many of us would be willing to pitch in for a week > end to help and how many would be interested in receiving those > willing to help. > > Before I go any further with this concept it would be nice to know > if there is any interest at all in helping or being helped. > > Just in case you were wondering, I have all of my tools marked for > identification purposes. I know how this works. > > Helpers bring tools and skills and resources as needed helped > provide a keg on tap burgers and a place for a fire and I think we > are cooking with gas! > > What say you? > > > John > >


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    Time: 07:19:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cork float
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Don't use Cork. I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper float with a provision to wrap around a wire It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits through a standard fuel filler neck Hans NX15KV


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    Time: 07:44:31 AM PST US
    From: <r.r.hall@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: cork float
    DO NOT USE SHELLAC. It is dissolved by alcohol and if you ever happened to use auto fuel it may dissolve and redeposit itself someplace else. ---- Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote: > > Shellac? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 19, 2010, at 6:05 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. > > How do I treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:44:56 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
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    Sorry for the big pictures, didn't intend to cause anybody problems. Thanks for the kudos, they weren't why I sent the pics, but they are appreciated. Once she was together and clean at an actual airfield, it just seemd like a formal photo shoot was the closing of one chapter, and getting ready to open the next. Someone asked about paint, I used regular old dope for everything except the logo and the gold edging. I used "one-shot" sign paint for painting the logo and edging. It's all hand painted, and when you get close, you can tell. But I wanted it to look like a couple of kids put it together in 1933. Hopefully the weather will give Lowell a couple of days window to get down here and do the honors. Douwe


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    Time: 07:48:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cork float
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Thanks for the info Clif, although several people have had no problems with shellac and auto fuel this article mentions in several places the solubility of shellac in ethanol. Possibly just coating the cork with T-88 is the best way to go. "It is approved by the FDA as a food safe coating when dissolved in pure ethanol (not denatured)." rick On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Don't forget that the solvent that makes shellac liquid is alcohol, > preferably > grain alky. So be very careful with auto fuel. > > http://antiquerestorers.com/Articles/jeff/shellac.htm > > I had two other really good shellac sites but one got blowed up real good > when Geocities melted down and the other just dissappeared! > > Clif > >> >> HI Rick and all, >> I have been told to brush shellac over the cork; a couple of coats and it >> is not bothered by the fuel. >> Jim > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 07:57:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: intercom
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    So the only reason you would need an intercom box and a push to talk button is if you want to talk with a passenger and occasionally talk on the com radio? rick On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Jerry Dotson <jdotson@erec.net> wrote: > > David Clark Model H5030 is sound powered. No boxes. Just a coax between the two. I have several years experience with them in a noisy 100-110db work area(14,000 HP engine room). The mouthpiece can be stuffed with cotton and just about totally eliminate the background noise. If you are just wanting intercom it can't be beat...at least 20 years without failure. > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > Ribs and tailfeathers done > using Lycoming O-235 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291020#291020 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 08:03:58 AM PST US
    From: <r.r.hall@cox.net>
    Subject: cork float
    I would suggest that you take whatever you are considering using, shellac, epoxy or whatever, and coat something with it then seal it in a container of gasoline and wait a week then check it for d eterioration. I was wondering if maybe you could make one out of large diameter copper pipe with caps soldered on the ends. Just an idea. ---- Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I made a float out of fishing rod handlecork rings glued together, and coat ed the whole thing with T-88, and then withStits PolyFiber Epoxy Varnish. =C2- Works great.=C2- The fishing rod corkrings can be purchased from a ny company that sells rod building supplies.=C2-I think I got mine from H ook & Hackle:=C2- http://www.hookhack.com/ =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 8:11PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corkfloat =C2- Rick, I tried a cork the size of a wine cork on a 1/8inwelding rod and it w as not enough to float it. Bigger cork maybe? Cheers,Gardiner =C2- From: H RULE<harvey.rule@rogers.com> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:58:56PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corkfloat I=C2-remember seeing someone use a ping pong ball in the past ;shouldbe i n th archives =C2- From: RickHolland <at7000ft@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, March 19, 2010 7:38:43PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corkfloat Good question Gardiner, was looking for an answer to that question last week. Have a wine cork from a nice 2005 Shiraz on the end of a stainless welding rod (to be my sole fuel gauge) and couldn't find a thing in any of the 4 Bingelis books (as far as treating the cork with anything). Have heard of people coating them with varnish, and have seen auto fuel tank floats used in place of cork, any ideas would be appreciated. Rick On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 5:05 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I am making a cork fuel float as a back up for my capacitince gage. How d oI treat the cork so it won't come apart in the fuel? Gardiner > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of phe many List utilities such as List > http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://www.========= ============ =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > =================<o:p></o:p></span></fo nt></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 pt;color:black;bsp; - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum -<span style='font-s ize:10.0pt;color:black; > browse<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 pt;color:black;Un/Subscription,<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > Chat, FAQ,<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 pt;color:black;more:<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > size=2 > color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color: black;href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www .matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<span style='font-size:10.0pt;colo r:black; > size=2 > color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color: black;=================<span style='fon t-size:10.0pt;color:black; > bsp;=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -<o:p></o:p></s pan></font></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 pt;color:black;Forums!<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > size=2 > color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color: black;href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > size=2 > color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color: black;=================<span style='fon t-size:10.0pt;color:black; > bsp;=C2-=C2-=C2- - List Contribution Web Site -<o:p></o:p></span></ font></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 pt;color:black;support!<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > bsp;=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2 -=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admi n.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 pt;color:black;href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.ma tronics.com/contribution<span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black; > =================<o:p></o:p></span></fo nt></b></pre><pre><b><font > size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0 =========


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    Time: 08:04:40 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's Piet
    It looks just gorgeous, Douwe. And the bigger pix provided more detail, and inspiration on "how a Piet SHOULD look!" Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >Sent: Mar 20, 2010 9:42 AM >To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: > > >Sorry for the big pictures, didn't intend to cause anybody problems. > >Thanks for the kudos, they weren't why I sent the pics, but they are >appreciated. Once she was together and clean at an actual airfield, it just >seemd like a formal photo shoot was the closing of one chapter, and getting >ready to open the next. >


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    Time: 08:05:17 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: cork float
    Here's a link to a retailer for the float Hans is referring to (.to which Hans is referring): http://johnsmustang.com/Parts/details-5899.html Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hvandervoo@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float FLOAT-FUEL TANK SENDING UNIT <http://johnsmustang.com/pictures/classic_mustang/unsorted/200705/c0az-9202- b.jpg> Don't use Cork. I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper float with a provision to wrap around a wire It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits through a standard fuel filler neck Hans NX15KV


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    Time: 08:12:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cork float
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Thank you again for your sound advise Hans, for only $5.95 I will never have to worry about alcohol dissolving my shellaced or epoxyied or varnished cork, or pieces of cork clogging my fuel filter: http://www.superiormustangparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=C0AZ-9202-B The only advantage of a cork float to a brass float I can think of is you don't have to worry about a cork float getting a pin hole and filling with fuel. But as someone already mentioned just keep an extra unvented fuel cap around and swap caps after each flight, it will be obvious if a leak develops. rick On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 8:18 AM, <hvandervoo@aol.com> wrote: > [image: FLOAT-FUEL TANK SENDING UNIT] > > Don't use Cork. > > I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float > > If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper float > with a provision to wrap around a wire > > It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits > through a standard fuel filler neck > > Hans > > NX15KV > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 08:48:42 AM PST US
    From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
    Subject: Re: intercom
    Had a Gosport system - look it up - when I learned aerobatics in a Stearman. Worked quite well. No batteries or black boxes or expensive headsets or wind noise. "Old technology for old airplanes." David Paule


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    Time: 09:02:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douwe's Piet
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Douwe, your side view picture looked so good that I had to set it as my desktop background (for continuous inspiration). One other paint question, what did you paint your metal parts with? thanks rick On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote: > > It looks just gorgeous, Douwe. And the bigger pix provided more detail, and inspiration on "how a Piet SHOULD look!" > Tim in central TX > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >>Sent: Mar 20, 2010 9:42 AM >>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: >> >> >>Sorry for the big pictures, didn't intend to cause anybody problems. >> >>Thanks for the kudos, they weren't why I sent the pics, but they are >>appreciated. Once she was together and clean at an actual airfield, it just >>seemd like a formal photo shoot was the closing of one chapter, and getting >>ready to open the next. >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:07:28 AM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: best fuel float ever
    For both my projects a fellow builder/friend/glider instructor, made my fuel floats for me. A standard ping pong ball, drilled and epoxied to a SS wire. (epozy was from the Hardware store,,,Epoweld, or something like that) Then I drilled the cap and soldered in a vertical brass tube from the hobbie store. They never failed me. and has been soaking in gas since 2002. sorry for the fuzzy pics walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 09:19:44 AM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
    This morning was nice and warm, so went to the field to start up my Piet. Brought it outside, primed it 1 1/2 times pulled thru 6 blades with the mags off, left meg (impulse) on , first pull it was running. Oil pressure came right up and it sat there and purred for 10 minutes. What a beautiful engine. It was originally built somewhere in the early 40's (by the date etchings on the cyl. skirts) And here over 65 years later, it runs like a champ. Amazing walt evans NX140DL


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    Time: 09:19:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: cork float
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Or for less money after shipping: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-1973-FORD-MUSTANG-COUGAR-FUEL-SENDING-U NIT-FLOAT_W0QQitemZ360239831852QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac cessories?hash=item53dff79b2c On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > Here=92s a link to a retailer for the float Hans is referring to (=85to which > Hans is referring): http://johnsmustang.com/Parts/details-5899.html > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of * > hvandervoo@aol.com > *Sent:* Saturday, March 20, 2010 7:18 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: cork float > > > [image: FLOAT-FUEL TANK SENDING UNIT] > > > Don't use Cork. > > > I used a '65 Ford Mustang Fuel float > > > If the picture does not show, Google it, you will see a light copper floa t > with a provision to wrap around a wire > > > It is maintenace free, requires no paint, stands up to any fuel and fits > through a standard fuel filler neck > > > Hans > > > NX15KV > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:19:44 AM PST US
    From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: GN-1 cabane length
    Jon, Felix the GN-1 has both cabane lengths front and rear 22.75". The plane flies just like a Piet(longerons level and elevator just down). The plane flies and lands great, the only thing is when I do a full stall landing the tailwheel always hits first. This is not a real problem as it does not cause a bounce, but I wish there was higher AOA at the 3-point attitude. Because of this I am using a smaller tailwheel on the Piet I am building. If I were building a Grega I would make the front cabane an inch longer. Skip > > It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I will have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1 drawings) and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will report back. Seems like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be good to settle this as there is no support from Don Grega. > > -------- > Jon Coxwell >


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    Time: 09:51:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: intercom
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    I'm not making a recommendation... I am just curious if anyone is using one of these. I have and PSEngineering AeroComIII. It is a microprocessor controlled device that samples the ambient noise and adjusts the VOX threshold automatically. It works great everywhere I've used it, but I am wondering if it is capable of doing this in an open cockpit. Anyone have experience with this unit? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291065#291065


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    Time: 12:46:18 PM PST US
    From: jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Photos
    Can anyone tell me how to find or see the photos associated with these mess ages are located?- As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and i sure would like to be able to see all the fine examples of Piet workmanshi p contained here. I'm starting my Piet build This April and I want to build on the best of the experience all of you have to offer. Thanks, first timer Jeff Wilson =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 12:59:37 PM PST US
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Photos
    Welcome Jeff. If you are getting the list real-time via email they should be attached to the message. If you are getting the digest they won't be, but you can access the list via the web-based forum and they should be in the messages there: http://forum.matronics.com Then scroll down to find the Pietenpol list. You can also find the Matronics list archives at: http://www.matronics.com/search Read the instructions on how best to construct your search, as that will ensure you can find what you are looking for. There is a lot of information in the archives. Have a good day, Ryan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2010, at 2:45 PM, jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to find or see the photos associated with > these messages are located? As they say, a picture is worth a > thousand words and i sure would like to be able to see all the fine > examples of Piet workmanship contained here. I'm starting my Piet > build This April and I want to build on the best of the experience > all of you have to offer. > > Thanks, first timer > Jeff Wilson > >


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    Time: 02:12:17 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: simple 1/4" stainless tubing for airspeed pitot tube
    Rick, group-- I used some 5 minute epoxy in my leading edge hole to secure my pitot tube figuring if I ever bent it or needed to remove it I could just take a pair of vise grips or pliers and twist it radially to break the bond. I slid the tubing into the hole then lathered a small section w/ a little epoxy honey then slid that forward twisting around to spread the epoxy a little and let cure. All tubing from that 1/4" pitot tube to the air speed indicator is nylon 1/4" tubing and fittings available thru Wicks or ACS. That tubing works nicely for smoke oil delivery to the firewall too where you then make the transition to metal tubing forward of the firewall. Mike C.


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    Time: 02:12:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: cork float
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Better test her out Jack...you may have a ticking time bomb on your hands... ;) Ryan do not archive On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> wrote: > I would suggest that you take whatever you are considering using, > shellac, epoxy or whatever, and coat something with it > > then seal it in a container of gasoline and wait a week then check it for > deterioration. I was wondering if maybe you could > > make one out of large diameter copper pipe with caps soldered on the ends. > Just an idea. > > > ---- Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > *I made a float out of fishing rod handlecork rings glued together, and > coated the whole thing with T-88, and then withStits PolyFiber Epoxy > Varnish. Works great. The fishing rod corkrings can be purchased from any > company that sells rod building supplies. I think I got mine from Hook & > Hackle: **http://www.hookhack.com/* <http://www.hookhack.com/>* * > > * ** * > > *Jack Phillips** * > > *NX899JP** * > > *Raleigh, NC** * > > * * >


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    Time: 02:13:00 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: puffs of smoke
    Ah yes, Yankee Boy on Board...that would be me according to our token Rebel from the Sawuth Corky ! George Washington might have said one puff by day, twoeth by night....:)) (or something like that) Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 03:00:00 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: cork float
    Well, it's been immersed in 100LL ever since 2004 and hasn't deteriorated yet, but next week might be a different matter. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cork float Better test her out Jack...you may have a ticking time bomb on your hands... ;) Ryan do not archive On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, <r.r.hall@cox.net> wrote: I would suggest that you take whatever you are considering using, shellac, epoxy or whatever, and coat something with it then seal it in a container of gasoline and wait a week then check it for deterioration. I was wondering if maybe you could make one out of large diameter copper pipe with caps soldered on the ends. Just an idea. ---- Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I made a float out of fishing rod handlecork rings glued together, and coated the whole thing with T-88, and then withStits PolyFiber Epoxy Varnish. Works great. The fishing rod corkrings can be purchased from any company that sells rod building supplies. I think I got mine from Hook & Hackle: <http://www.hookhack.com/> http://www.hookhack.com/ Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC


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    Time: 04:40:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: intercom
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@erec.net>
    Rick that is right. Those headsets we used each had a male plug on the wire and we had different lengths of coax cables up to about 250 feet long. Most of the time we used a coax about 50 feet. They had female connectors on them. No power required. So the only reason you would need an intercom box and a push to talk button is if you want to talk with a passenger and occasionally talk on the com radio? rick -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291096#291096


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    Time: 05:42:22 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: just another idea and concept to ponder
    Speaking of metalworking you too can be an expert cowl maker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4CcczpZFs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LctS-jTER_M&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHQEGEpXKVA&feature=related Clif . My two big anxiety areas are metalwork in general, Kip Gardner


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    Time: 07:33:36 PM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Once again "those amazing Continentals"
    My 1940 Cont. A-80 does the same thing. What an incredible engine. I have the original engine log and it served many an airplane....including military training in the past 70 years. Mike King GN-1 77MK Corpus Christi, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: walt Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Once again "those amazing Continentals" This morning was nice and warm, so went to the field to start up my Piet. Brought it outside, primed it 1 1/2 times pulled thru 6 blades with the mags off, left meg (impulse) on , first pull it was running. Oil pressure came right up and it sat there and purred for 10 minutes. What a beautiful engine. It was originally built somewhere in the early 40's (by the date etchings on the cyl. skirts) And here over 65 years later, it runs like a champ. Amazing walt evans NX140DL




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