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1. 05:57 AM - Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers (jeff wilson)
2. 07:39 AM - Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers (Jeff Boatright)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers (Tim Willis)
4. 09:04 AM - A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props (Tim Willis)
5. 12:16 PM - Re: Fuselage Update (Bill Church)
6. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Ryan Mueller)
7. 04:55 PM - Re: A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props (Jeff Boatright)
8. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Rick Holland)
9. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Gary Boothe)
10. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Jack)
11. 08:12 PM - Re: Fuselage Update (Bill Church)
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| Subject: | Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers |
Gentleman,
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I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded and fo
r that I thankyou.--A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar Scimitar. I di
d some research and the scimitar design sounds great except for short lifes
pan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly more than 100 hours a year so th
ats not so bad, but using 3 different search engines, I cannot find anythin
g about a Cloudcar prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and what
s their phone number?-What is the name of the company? Maybe they just do
n't have a presence on the internet.
Thanks,
-
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers |
Jeff,
I did not know about the short lifespan. Could you send us some links
or other information on that?
Thanks,
Jeff
>Gentleman,
>
>I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded
>and for that I thankyou. A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar
>Scimitar. I did some research and the scimitar design sounds great
>except for short lifespan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly
>more than 100 hours a year so thats not so bad, but using 3
>different search engines, I cannot find anything about a Cloudcar
>prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and whats their
>phone number? What is the name of the company? Maybe they just don't
>have a presence on the internet.
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff Wilson
>GN-1
>St. Louis, MO
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Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers |
Jeff, here is contact info for Cloudcars. Someone provided this info in the last
few days on our site, but this is from my contact with the company.
Jay Anderson CLOUDCARS 325-356-2810 cloudcars@verizon.net
I am sure that the alleged longevity issues you mention are news to all of us.
Jay at Cloudcars should be able to dispel any concerns.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: jeff wilson
Sent: Mar 24, 2010 7:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers
Gentleman,
I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded and for that
I thankyou. A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar Scimitar. I did some research
and the scimitar design sounds great except for short lifespan of maybe 500
hours. Well I may not fly more than 100 hours a year so thats not so bad, but
using 3 different search engines, I cannot find anything about a Cloudcar prop.
So can you tell me please, where are they and whats their phone number? What
is the name of the company? Maybe they just don't have a presence on the internet.
Thanks,
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
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| Subject: | A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props |
I asked Jay at Cloudcars about the alleged longevity issue. This is his reply.
He will also post this same or similar info to our site when Matt Dralle recognizes
his membership and allows him to post.
Tim in central TX
==============
In reply to the comments about our propellers' lifespan.....
Before everyone goes into a panic, I'd like to clear up a possible misunderstanding!!!!
The Scimitars that we cut are NOT "true functioning" Scimitars. They are a "profile
Scimitar" (basically like a club profile). All propeller blades will flex.
A true functioning Scimitar is designed to flex a lot more than a conventional
propeller, and along more of the blade span. On a true functioning Scimitar the
lams are vertical instead of horizontal, so as to amplify the woods flexing
characteristics. This is not so with our Scimitars.
Our lams are a conventional horizontal sandwich or stack, just like Sensenich and
others.
The airfoil is cut the same also. There is a slight flexing at the tip, which is
common in all propellers, especially those with a blade sweep. I'm not sure
how someone came up with 500 hours.....all woods have different characteristics
and there is no way this could be applied in a concrete way. If any of you
guys have knowledge of bow making/archery, especially long bows...this might help
to explain the different characteristics of wood elasticity.
You won't find us on the internet, we don't have a website, or advertise any more.
All of our business is by referral and word of mouth.
If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
Jay Anderson
CLOUDCARS
cloudcars@verizon.net
325-356-2810
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about the
disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop.
Hey, I think I found the dog.
I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully soon).
BC
PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
With the reduction in resolution of the photo it is very difficult to tell
if that unicycle has been ridden lately...
do not archive
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding
> about the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop.
> Hey, I think I found the dog.
>
> I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully
> soon).
>
> BC
>
> PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props |
Not mentioned is the effect of solid versus lamination or if there is
any effect. My prop is solid, most everyone else buys laminated. I'm
really cheap.
>
>
>I asked Jay at Cloudcars about the alleged longevity issue. This is
>his reply. He will also post this same or similar info to our site
>when Matt Dralle recognizes his membership and allows him to post.
>Tim in central TX
>==============
>
>In reply to the comments about our propellers' lifespan.....
>Before everyone goes into a panic, I'd like to clear up a possible
>misunderstanding!!!!
>
>The Scimitars that we cut are NOT "true functioning" Scimitars. They
>are a "profile
>Scimitar" (basically like a club profile). All propeller blades will flex.
>A true functioning Scimitar is designed to flex a lot more than a
>conventional propeller, and along more of the blade span. On a true
>functioning Scimitar the lams are vertical instead of horizontal, so
>as to amplify the woods flexing characteristics. This is not so with
>our Scimitars.
>
>Our lams are a conventional horizontal sandwich or stack, just like
>Sensenich and others.
>The airfoil is cut the same also. There is a slight flexing at the
>tip, which is common in all propellers, especially those with a
>blade sweep. I'm not sure how someone came up with 500 hours.....all
>woods have different characteristics and there is no way this could
>be applied in a concrete way. If any of you guys have knowledge of
>bow making/archery, especially long bows...this might help to
>explain the different characteristics of wood elasticity.
>
>You won't find us on the internet, we don't have a website, or
>advertise any more.
>All of our business is by referral and word of mouth.
>
>If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me.
>Jay Anderson
>CLOUDCARS
>cloudcars@verizon.net
>325-356-2810
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Yup, looks very similiar to my garage, and I also have a picture of my
dogs sitting in my mock cockpit.
rick
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about
the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop.
> Hey, I think I found the dog.
>
> I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully soon).
>
> BC
>
> PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Bill,
You're a man after my own heart! Quite conveniently, I think there is true
genius in creating a work of beauty out of disarray!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update
I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about
the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop.
Hey, I think I found the dog.
I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully
soon).
BC
PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important.
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Hey Bill,
Are you going to use that unicycle wheel for the Piet? Also, I hope Shep is
sitting in your mock-up...
Jack
DSM
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I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about
the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop.
Hey, I think I found the dog.
I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully
soon).
BC
PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Update |
Uh oh, by carelessly releasing this photo, it looks like I have inadvertently let
out my secret plans to incorporate an "improved" single wheel landing gear
design. Now that the idea is out there, it will likely get picked up and completed
by one of those faster builders who like incorporating different details
(without naming names like Mike Perez).
Yes Jack, that thing is my mock-up fuselage, built out of about $30 worth of wood
and carpenter's glue. It was a useful exercise, but now it's really getting
in the way. I'm debating whether to keep it or not. The dog stays, though (good
dog).
Glad you can appreciate the mess, Gary. Every once in a while I clean it all up,
and it doesn't look nearly so bad. Still only 18 ribs? If your workspace is
anything like my mess, you may have a few more ribs hidden somewhere.
BC
PS: Did you find Waldo?
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