---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/24/10: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers (jeff wilson) 2. 07:39 AM - Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers (Jeff Boatright) 3. 08:02 AM - Re: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers (Tim Willis) 4. 09:04 AM - A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props (Tim Willis) 5. 12:16 PM - Re: Fuselage Update (Bill Church) 6. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Ryan Mueller) 7. 04:55 PM - Re: A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props (Jeff Boatright) 8. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Rick Holland) 9. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Gary Boothe) 10. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Fuselage Update (Jack) 11. 08:12 PM - Re: Fuselage Update (Bill Church) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:02 AM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers Gentleman, - I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded and fo r that I thankyou.--A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar Scimitar. I di d some research and the scimitar design sounds great except for short lifes pan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly more than 100 hours a year so th ats not so bad, but using 3 different search engines, I cannot find anythin g about a Cloudcar prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and what s their phone number?-What is the name of the company? Maybe they just do n't have a presence on the internet. Thanks, - Jeff Wilson GN-1 St. Louis, MO=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:38 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers Jeff, I did not know about the short lifespan. Could you send us some links or other information on that? Thanks, Jeff >Gentleman, > >I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded >and for that I thankyou. A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar >Scimitar. I did some research and the scimitar design sounds great >except for short lifespan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly >more than 100 hours a year so thats not so bad, but using 3 >different search engines, I cannot find anything about a Cloudcar >prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and whats their >phone number? What is the name of the company? Maybe they just don't >have a presence on the internet. >Thanks, > >Jeff Wilson >GN-1 >St. Louis, MO -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:02 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers Jeff, here is contact info for Cloudcars. Someone provided this info in the last few days on our site, but this is from my contact with the company. Jay Anderson CLOUDCARS 325-356-2810 cloudcars@verizon.net I am sure that the alleged longevity issues you mention are news to all of us. Jay at Cloudcars should be able to dispel any concerns. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: jeff wilson Sent: Mar 24, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cloudcar Scimitar Propellers Gentleman, I inquired about what prop to use with an A-65 and many of responded and for that I thankyou. A couple of you mentioned a Cloudcar Scimitar. I did some research and the scimitar design sounds great except for short lifespan of maybe 500 hours. Well I may not fly more than 100 hours a year so thats not so bad, but using 3 different search engines, I cannot find anything about a Cloudcar prop. So can you tell me please, where are they and whats their phone number? What is the name of the company? Maybe they just don't have a presence on the internet. Thanks, Jeff Wilson GN-1 St. Louis, MO ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:27 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Pietenpol-List: A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props I asked Jay at Cloudcars about the alleged longevity issue. This is his reply. He will also post this same or similar info to our site when Matt Dralle recognizes his membership and allows him to post. Tim in central TX ============== In reply to the comments about our propellers' lifespan..... Before everyone goes into a panic, I'd like to clear up a possible misunderstanding!!!! The Scimitars that we cut are NOT "true functioning" Scimitars. They are a "profile Scimitar" (basically like a club profile). All propeller blades will flex. A true functioning Scimitar is designed to flex a lot more than a conventional propeller, and along more of the blade span. On a true functioning Scimitar the lams are vertical instead of horizontal, so as to amplify the woods flexing characteristics. This is not so with our Scimitars. Our lams are a conventional horizontal sandwich or stack, just like Sensenich and others. The airfoil is cut the same also. There is a slight flexing at the tip, which is common in all propellers, especially those with a blade sweep. I'm not sure how someone came up with 500 hours.....all woods have different characteristics and there is no way this could be applied in a concrete way. If any of you guys have knowledge of bow making/archery, especially long bows...this might help to explain the different characteristics of wood elasticity. You won't find us on the internet, we don't have a website, or advertise any more. All of our business is by referral and word of mouth. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me. Jay Anderson CLOUDCARS cloudcars@verizon.net 325-356-2810 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update From: "Bill Church" I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop. Hey, I think I found the dog. I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully soon). BC PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important. DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update From: Ryan Mueller With the reduction in resolution of the photo it is very difficult to tell if that unicycle has been ridden lately... do not archive On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding > about the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop. > Hey, I think I found the dog. > > I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully > soon). > > BC > > PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:30 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A message from Cloudcars re scimitar props Not mentioned is the effect of solid versus lamination or if there is any effect. My prop is solid, most everyone else buys laminated. I'm really cheap. > > >I asked Jay at Cloudcars about the alleged longevity issue. This is >his reply. He will also post this same or similar info to our site >when Matt Dralle recognizes his membership and allows him to post. >Tim in central TX >============== > >In reply to the comments about our propellers' lifespan..... >Before everyone goes into a panic, I'd like to clear up a possible >misunderstanding!!!! > >The Scimitars that we cut are NOT "true functioning" Scimitars. They >are a "profile >Scimitar" (basically like a club profile). All propeller blades will flex. >A true functioning Scimitar is designed to flex a lot more than a >conventional propeller, and along more of the blade span. On a true >functioning Scimitar the lams are vertical instead of horizontal, so >as to amplify the woods flexing characteristics. This is not so with >our Scimitars. > >Our lams are a conventional horizontal sandwich or stack, just like >Sensenich and others. >The airfoil is cut the same also. There is a slight flexing at the >tip, which is common in all propellers, especially those with a >blade sweep. I'm not sure how someone came up with 500 hours.....all >woods have different characteristics and there is no way this could >be applied in a concrete way. If any of you guys have knowledge of >bow making/archery, especially long bows...this might help to >explain the different characteristics of wood elasticity. > >You won't find us on the internet, we don't have a website, or >advertise any more. >All of our business is by referral and word of mouth. > >If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me. >Jay Anderson >CLOUDCARS >cloudcars@verizon.net >325-356-2810 -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update From: Rick Holland Yup, looks very similiar to my garage, and I also have a picture of my dogs sitting in my mock cockpit. rick On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Bill Church wrote: > > I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop. > Hey, I think I found the dog. > > I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully soon). > > BC > > PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important. > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:32 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update Bill, You're a man after my own heart! Quite conveniently, I think there is true genius in creating a work of beauty out of disarray! Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop. Hey, I think I found the dog. I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully soon). BC PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important. DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:12 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update Hey Bill, Are you going to use that unicycle wheel for the Piet? Also, I hope Shep is sitting in your mock-up... Jack DSM Do not archive I'm not proud of this, Jack, but just to let you know I wasn't kidding about the disarray, here's a shot of my mess... I mean workshop. Hey, I think I found the dog. I'll do a proper cleanup before I get back to some real building (hopefully soon). BC PS I reduced the size of the photo, even though it's really important. DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291580#291580 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mess2_218.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Update From: "Bill Church" Uh oh, by carelessly releasing this photo, it looks like I have inadvertently let out my secret plans to incorporate an "improved" single wheel landing gear design. Now that the idea is out there, it will likely get picked up and completed by one of those faster builders who like incorporating different details (without naming names like Mike Perez). Yes Jack, that thing is my mock-up fuselage, built out of about $30 worth of wood and carpenter's glue. It was a useful exercise, but now it's really getting in the way. I'm debating whether to keep it or not. The dog stays, though (good dog). Glad you can appreciate the mess, Gary. Every once in a while I clean it all up, and it doesn't look nearly so bad. Still only 18 ribs? If your workspace is anything like my mess, you may have a few more ribs hidden somewhere. BC PS: Did you find Waldo? 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