Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Fri 03/26/10


Total Messages Posted: 33



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:28 AM - Shock Mounted Instruments (Jack)
     2. 06:17 AM - Re: Rudder cables (taildrags)
     3. 06:22 AM - Scimitar prop short life (jeff wilson)
     4. 06:53 AM - happy birthday to Jeff, happy birthday to Jeff (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
     5. 07:25 AM - Re: happy birthday to Jeff, happy birthday to Jeff (Jeff Boatright)
     6. 07:44 AM - Re: Shock Mounted Instruments (David Paule)
     7. 10:49 AM - Re: gps speed (Jack Phillips)
     8. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Rudder cables (Jack)
     9. 10:55 AM - C-90 GPU For Sale (Jack)
    10. 11:55 AM - Flathead Spring Compressor Available (David Paule)
    11. 12:11 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Dan Yocum)
    12. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: Rudder cables (Ben Charvet)
    13. 12:20 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Jeff Boatright)
    14. 12:20 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Tim Willis)
    15. 12:32 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Dave Abramson)
    16. 12:52 PM - Front seat front support (Michael Perez)
    17. 01:10 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (hvandervoo@aol.com)
    18. 01:17 PM - Re: Front seat front support (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    19. 01:30 PM - Re: GN-1 cabane length (coxwelljon)
    20. 02:01 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Wayne Bressler)
    21. 02:23 PM - Re: Rudder cables (Pieti Lowell)
    22. 02:33 PM - Re: Front seat front support (Michael Perez)
    23. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Rudder cables (walt)
    24. 03:00 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Jack)
    25. 03:03 PM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (Jack)
    26. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Rudder cables (Rick Holland)
    27. 04:00 PM - Re: Rudder cables (Pieti Lowell)
    28. 05:49 PM - Re: Front seat front support (gcardinal)
    29. 05:53 PM - A little health scare slightly off topic (Doug Dever)
    30. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: Rudder cables (Ben Charvet)
    31. 08:08 PM - Re: Front seat front support (Ben Charvet)
    32. 08:11 PM - Re: A little health scare slightly off topic (Ben Charvet)
    33. 08:33 PM - Re: A little health scare slightly off topic (Doug Dever)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:28:22 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Shock Mounted Instruments
    Tony Bingelis recommends shock mounts for gyros, specifically directional and attitude indicators. Anybody shock mounting their turn and banks? I'm planning for an electric model. Thanks, Jack DSM


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    Time: 06:17:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    well, I don't have my airplane here to be able to check the lengths of the tailwheel and rudder bellcrank horns but looking at the picture, they are pretty close to the same length if not just a tad shorter for the tailwheel ones. The tailwheel bellcrank horns have several different holes that the springs and cables can be hooked up to for different leverage but I've left them where Corky had them and it seems to track and handle just fine. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291790#291790 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p6090001_511.jpg


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    Time: 06:22:18 AM PST US
    From: jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Scimitar prop short life
    Regarding the scimitar shape prop, - The info I have is just word of mouth from a conversation I had not long ag o regarding the true scimitar shape props with vertical laminations. Related to me were the experiences that Wittman had using a Scimitar prop o n his racers, and that they did not last long over 500 hours. But that's an cient history now. I trust that is not an issue with modern wooden props th at use horizontal laminations, and are considered a semi-scimitar shape. I am still somewhere on the learning curve. For instance I had to do a lot of research and reading to convince myself to accept the under camber desig n of the wing for the Piet/GN-1. Don't ask me where I found confirmation fo r my under camber question, I don't take very good notes ( I think I used t hat napkin then threw it away). - Jeff Wilson GN-1 St. Louis, MO -=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 06:53:47 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: happy birthday to Jeff, happy birthday to Jeff
    Happy birthday you Pietenpol Pilot you Jeff Boatright, happy birthday to yo u. See what crap everyone knows when you're on Facebook ? You already got your birthday present by getting to fly slow flight formati on with that other gent the other night in that silky smooth air so don't expect anything to show u p via UPS from us listers here okay ? Doesn't mean we don't like you though. Mike C.


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    Time: 07:25:01 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: happy birthday to Jeff, happy birthday to Jeff
    Hey, I get two birthdays this year! My real one is in August. I'll check my Facebook account, but you may have me mixed up with the other Jeff Boatright (there is at least one other on Facebook). There's even another Jeff Boatright who lives about mile from me in Decatur. Oddly enough, we're all pudgy, balding white guys of about the same age. However, I encourage you: Accept No Substitutes! I am the one true Jeff Boatright!! >Happy birthday you Pietenpol Pilot you Jeff Boatright, happy birthday to you. > >See what crap everyone knows when you're on Facebook ? > >You already got your birthday present by getting to fly slow flight >formation with that other gent >the other night in that silky smooth air so don't expect anything to >show up via UPS from us listers >here okay ? Doesn't mean we don't like you though. > >Mike C. > >


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    Time: 07:44:58 AM PST US
    From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
    Subject: Re: Shock Mounted Instruments
    My Cessna 180 and the old Cessna 170 that I used to have, both had the whole panel shock-mounted. The shock mounts are Cessna p/n 0411059-1 and the panel, as stock with 16 to 18 instruments, took six of them. When the 180 was 31 years old, I replaced them all, and they were clearly due for replacement at that time. David Paule ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:27 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shock Mounted Instruments Tony Bingelis recommends shock mounts for gyros, specifically directional and attitude indicators. Anybody shock mounting their turn and banks? I'm planning for an electric model. Thanks, Jack DSM


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    Time: 10:49:30 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: gps speed
    Two years ago enroute to Brodhead over the Blue Ridge Mountains in my Pietenpol the GPS indicated my groundspeed was 27 knots. Somewhat discouraging. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: gps speed Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Douwe, GPS indicated your speed over the ground. It is really nice when you're coming home from Wisconsin and sometimes it says 90 or 95 in a Pietenpol. Likewise it is laborious westbound sometimes when it says horrible things like 50, 55.... Mike C.


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    Time: 10:50:43 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    Oscar, Thanks for the picture. I noticed when you "attach" pictures they are in a link form below the attachment area. How is that done? Thanks, Jack DSM well, I don't have my airplane here to be able to check the lengths of the tailwheel and rudder bellcrank horns but looking at the picture, they are pretty close to the same length if not just a tad shorter for the tailwheel ones. The tailwheel bellcrank horns have several different holes that the springs and cables can be hooked up to for different leverage but I've left them where Corky had them and it seems to track and handle just fine. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291790#291790 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p6090001_511.jpg


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    Time: 10:55:03 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: C-90 GPU For Sale
    I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine. Since I already :-) have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share more info but have not heard back. He responded with; I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 Joseph Stephenson micahstephenson@aol.com Jack DSM


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    Time: 11:55:06 AM PST US
    From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
    Subject: Flathead Spring Compressor Available
    A friend of mine has a flathead valve spring compressor that he'd like to see go to a good home. Email me directly and I'll forward it to him. David Paule dpaule@frii.com


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    Time: 12:11:00 PM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: C-90 GPU For Sale
    Jack, I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? Thanks, Dan On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: > I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine. > Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share > more info but have not heard back. He responded with; > > I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 > > Joseph Stephenson > > micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> > > Jack > > DSM > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 12:18:12 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    I have a Maule tailwheel on my Piet, and started out using the horns that came with it. With full rudder deflection, the tailwheel would kick over far enough to go free castoring, which made for some embarassing taxiing incidents. I went back and welded extensions on to make the horns the same length as the rudder horns, and that fixed the problem.. It doesnt turn as sharp as I'd like, but I drilled extra holes 1 inch in from the ends so I could adjust the throw. Ben Charvet NX866BC 15.2 hours on Hobbs Still hoping for Sun-N-Fun


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    Time: 12:20:00 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: C-90 GPU For Sale
    Ground power unit. In other words, a C-90 that needs to be modified to work as an aircraft engine. May or may not be made/maintained with airworthy parts. Will need second sparkplug holes drilled, carb and intakes changed, etc. All for the price of a running A-65. OTOH, this may be a good price for an airboat engine. > >Jack, > >I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? > >Thanks, >Dan > > >On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: >>I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine. >>Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share >>more info but have not heard back. He responded with; >> >>I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 >> >>Joseph Stephenson >> >>micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> >> >>Jack >> >>DSM >> >>* >> >> >>* > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision


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    Time: 12:20:56 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: C-90 GPU For Sale
    I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the military used everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After all, they are light, air-cooled, etc. If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what it takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real aircraft engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be on top of the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing. Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> >Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale > > >Jack, > >I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? > >Thanks, >Dan > > >On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: >> I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine. >> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share >> more info but have not heard back. He responded with; >> >> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 >> >> Joseph Stephenson >> >> micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> >> >> Jack >> >> DSM >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > >


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    Time: 12:32:15 PM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: C-90 GPU For Sale
    Ground Power Unit DIT-VIT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale Jack, I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? Thanks, Dan On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: > I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine. > Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share > more info but have not heard back. He responded with; > > I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 > > Joseph Stephenson > > micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> > > Jack > > DSM > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 12:52:47 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Front seat front support
    I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood goin g from the top of seat- down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can thi s piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does it need to extend to the sides of the fuselage?-


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    Time: 01:10:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: C-90 GPU For Sale
    From: hvandervoo@aol.com
    Yes, it is a Ground Power Unit, used as generator engine in Airforce Single downdraft Stromberg on top of the engine. I have one, bought three years ago for $400.-- partial rebuild and convert ed for aircraft use. I would not pay $ 1,500.-- for this Just my 2 c Hans Corvair powered NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale net> I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the militar y used verything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After all, they are ight, air-cooled, etc. If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what it akes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real aircr aft ngine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be on top of he engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing. Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do. im in central TX ----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale Jack, I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? Thanks, Dan On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: > I received a response to my =9Cwanted=9D post in Craigslist for an engine. > Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share > more info but have not heard back. He responded with; > > I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 > > Joseph Stephenson > > micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> > > Jack > > DSM > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 01:17:20 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Front seat front support
    Mike-my gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of the fuselage b ecause it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting stiffener if I'm picturing your question correctly in my head. Mike C. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood goin g from the top of seat down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can this piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does it n eed to extend to the sides of the fuselage?


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    Time: 01:30:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: GN-1 cabane length
    From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
    [/quote] Rick and others, It looks like the concensus for Piet plans is 1" longer for the front. I will have to do some looking at my Piet plans (I have both Piet and GN-1 drawings) and see what 1" does as far as the angle of incidence. I will report back. Seems like with a few GN-1 builders out there it would be good to settle this as there is no support from Don Grega.[/quote] Just to put a cap on this, I measured both the GN-1 airfoil and Piet airfoil and put the dimensions in Cad so I could measure the angle of incidence with different length cabanes. Here is what I found. GN-1 with equal length struts front and back the angle of incidence is 1.75 degrees. GN-1 with front struts 5/8" longer than rear the angle is 3 degrees Piet with front struts 1" longer than rear (accepted standard) is 3.25 deg. My GN-1 struts are equal length and I am going to leave them that way and try them. I have figured and easy way to add length if I need to without building new struts. Jon C. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291851#291851


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    Time: 02:01:26 PM PST US
    From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
    Subject: Re: C-90 GPU For Sale
    Has the engine in question been converted to aircraft use? If so, that could change the discussion and question of value considerably. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:09 PM, hvandervoo@aol.com wrote: > > Yes, it is a Ground Power Unit, used as generator engine in Airforce > > Single downdraft Stromberg on top of the engine. > > I have one, bought three years ago for $400.-- partial rebuild and > converted for aircraft use. > > I would not pay $ 1,500.-- for this > > Just my 2 c > > > Hans > Corvair powered NX15KV > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale > <timothywillis@earthlink.net > > > > I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the > military used > everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After > all, they are > light, air-cooled, etc. > > If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at > what it > takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a > real aircraft > engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be > on top of > the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing. > > Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do. > Tim in central TX > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> > >Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale > > > > > >Jack, > > > >I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? > > > >Thanks, > >Dan > > > > > >On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: > >> I received a response to my =9Cwanted=9D post in Craigslist for an > engine. > >> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to > share > >> more info but have not heard back. He responded with; > >> > >> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 > >> > >> Joseph Stephenson > >> > >> micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> > >> > >> Jack > >> > >> DSM > >> > >> * > >> > >> > >> * > > > >-- > >Dan Yocum > >Fermilab 630.840.6509 > >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > > > > > > > > ======================== =========== > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ======================== =========== > tp://forums.matronics.com > ======================== =========== > _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ======================== =========== > >


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    Time: 02:23:51 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Ben, You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I suggested when the length of the horns are not correct there could be a problem, a very big problem. I also had the tail wheel horns too short and when the tail lifted, there wasn't enough rudder to keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed, one direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went, Wife on board: And explain that maneuver NOT ! The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a problem also, if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the tail wheel, Something like a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet under 20 Knots. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855


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    Time: 02:33:47 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Front seat front support
    I believe=C2- you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at it an d thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just looks inadequa te to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some holes in them for the rudder cables as well. I guess there is a reason for them to be extended, I just have a hard time seeing it...being such a small piece. =C2- Any other thoughts? --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy @nasa.gov> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support Mike=94my gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of the fu selage because it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting stiffener if I=99m picturing your question correctly in my head. =C2- Mike C. =C2- =C2- =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support =C2- I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood goin g from the top of seat=C2- down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can this piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does it need to extend to the sides of the fuselage?=C2- =C2- =C2-http:/ /www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp: //www.matronics.com/contribution =C2-


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    Time: 02:56:39 PM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    Pietri, With the tail horns too short the rudder would react more and get quicker rudder response. walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Pieti Lowell To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cables <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> Ben, You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I suggested when the length of the horns are not correct there could be a problem, a very big problem. I also had the tail wheel horns too short and when the tail lifted, there wasn't enough rudder to keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed, one direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went, Wife on board: And explain that maneuver NOT ! The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a problem also, if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the tail wheel, Something like a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet under 20 Knots. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855


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    Time: 03:00:21 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: C-90 GPU For Sale
    Wayne and others.that's all the info I have. I have no idea if it's good, bad, high or low time operated by a Great Grandma on Sundays only. Jack DSM _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale Has the engine in question been converted to aircraft use? If so, that could change the discussion and question of value considerably. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Mar 26, 2010, at 4:09 PM, hvandervoo@aol.com wrote: Yes, it is a Ground Power Unit, used as generator engine in Airforce Single downdraft Stromberg on top of the engine. I have one, bought three years ago for $400.-- partial rebuild and converted for aircraft use. I would not pay $ 1,500.-- for this Just my 2 c Hans Corvair powered NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Sent: Fri, Mar 26, 2010 2:19 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale <mailto:timothywillis@earthlink.net> timothywillis@earthlink.net> I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the military used everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators. After all, they are light, air-cooled, etc. If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what it takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real aircraft engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might be on top of the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing. Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum < <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov> yocum@fnal.gov> >Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM >To: <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale > yocum@fnal.gov> > >Jack, > >I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? > >Thanks, >Dan > > >On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: >> I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine. >> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share >> more info but have not heard back. He responded with; >> >> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 >> >> Joseph Stephenson >> >> <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> micahstephenson@aol.com < <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com?> mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> >> >> Jack >> >> DSM >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 > <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov> yocum@fnal.gov, <http://fermigrid.fnal.gov/> http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > t" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution


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    Time: 03:03:00 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: C-90 GPU For Sale
    Ground Power Unit....not to be confused with GPS Jack DSM -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale Jack, I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for? Thanks, Dan On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote: > I received a response to my "wanted" post in Craigslist for an engine. > Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share > more info but have not heard back. He responded with; > > I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500 > > Joseph Stephenson > > micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com> > > Jack > > DSM > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 03:48:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Some have rigged their tailwheel cable movement to be an adjustable percentage of their rudder cable movement for this reason. rick On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Pieti Lowell <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Ben, > You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I suggested when the length of the horns are not correct there could be a problem, a very big problem. I also had the tail wheel horns too short and when the tail lifted, there wasn't enough rudder to keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed, one direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went, Wife on board: And explain that maneuver NOT ! > The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a problem also, if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the tail wheel, Something like a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet under 20 Knots. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 04:00:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Walt, When the tail wheel horns are shorter than the rudder horns the tail wheel will max the rotation before the rudders equal rotation. I.E. If the Tail wheel horns are a total length of 6 " and the rudder horns are 12 " long, you push right rudder fully down and the cable to the movement of the tail wheel will be maxed, and the rudder will have hardly moved, when the tail lifts off and you have a cross wind you have no rudder control, because the cable on the rudder has hardly moved at half the forward distant. and you need a bunch of forward speed to take up the long dwell time, getting off the ground,and with very little rudder control. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291876#291876


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    Time: 05:49:47 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Front seat front support
    Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking side-to-side. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:33 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support I believe you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at it and thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just looks inadequate to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some holes in them for the rudder cables as well. I guess there is a reason for them to be extended, I just have a hard time seeing it...being such a small piece. Any other thoughts? --- On Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:14 PM Mike=94my gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of the fuselage because it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting stiffener if I=99m picturing your question correctly in my head. Mike C. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support plywood going from the top of seat down to the bottom sides of the fuselage. Can this piece just be the same size as the front of the seat, (square) or does it need to extend to the sides of the fuselage? http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 05:53:22 PM PST US
    From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
    Subject: A little health scare slightly off topic
    I had a little health scare recently. I noticed a dark blurry spot with di stortion in my vision a couple weeks ago. Went to my optometrist yesterday who is a long time friend from high school. She identified the problem as macular edema (fluid under the center of the retina). She immediately scheduled an appointment with a retina specialist for toda y. After having my eyes dialated and filled with 4 different kinds of drop s=2C poked=2C lenses literally stuck against my eye=2C blinded by light=2C flourescent dye injected into my veins and then flash blinded by 47 picture s I was diagnosed with cystoid macular edima ( the relatively benign kind t hat usually goes away on its own). The Dr. said it is almost always caused by stress. The moral is I guess I need to get back to building. It's a great stress r eliever for me in the summer. In the winter I ski. Skied 77 days this yea r. Now if I could only figure out a way to build 77 days this summer. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.


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    Time: 07:51:59 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Rudder cables
    We were talking about the tailwheel horns, not the rudder. The idea is to have the tailwheel and rudder moving at the same angles Ben On 3/26/2010 5:56 PM, walt wrote: > Pietri, > With the tail horns too short the rudder would react more and get > quicker rudder response. > walt evans > NX140DL > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Pieti Lowell <mailto:Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2010 5:23 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cables > > <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com <mailto:Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>> > > Ben, > You see, the exact problem you have experienced, is why I > suggested when the length of the horns are not correct there could > be a problem, a very big problem. I also had the tail wheel horns > too short and when the tail lifted, there wasn't enough rudder to > keep me on the runway, as the rudder was fully pushed, one > direction was restricted in defection, and off the runway we went, > Wife on board: And explain that maneuver NOT ! > The steerable -full swivel, (Ala, Ken Perkins design ),can be a > problem also, if one kicks a full rudder and it might unlock the > tail wheel, Something like a landing on 36L at EAA with a 20 knot > wind from the 270 quadrant. And the Piet under 20 Knots. > Pieti Lowell > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291855#291855 > > > http://www.matnbsp; via the Web > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > _p; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:08:13 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Front seat front support
    I'm in the process of ballasting my Piet up to gross weight to complete phase 1, and when you think about piling 200 pounds on that seat, you will be glad you put in all the bracing(I added extra) that the plans call for. Remember if the seat collapses, you lose rudder control, possibly ailerons and elevator too. Once again you get to hear someone say " build it to the plans, build it to the plans.." Ben Charvet On 3/26/2010 8:50 PM, gcardinal wrote: > Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking > side-to-side. > Greg Cardinal > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Perez <mailto:speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2010 4:33 PM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support > > I believe you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at > it and thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just > looks inadequate to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some > holes in them for the rudder cables as well. I guess there is a > reason for them to be extended, I just have a hard time seeing > it...being such a small piece. > Any other thoughts? > > --- On *Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace > Corporation] /<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>/* wrote: > > > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] > <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 4:14 PM > > Mikemy gut tells me that it needs to extend to the sides of > the fuselage because it acts as a fuselage bulkhead/ twisting > > stiffener if Im picturing your question correctly in my head. > > Mike C. > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf > Of *Michael Perez > *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2010 3:52 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support > > I see the prints show the front (passenger) seat front support > plywood going from the top of seat down to the bottom sides > of the fuselage. Can this piece just be the same size as the > front of the seat, (square) or does it need to extend to the > sides of the fuselage? > > * * > > * > * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:11:12 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: A little health scare slightly off topic
    Hope and pray that it is self limiting and temporary. I find skiing stressful. Maybe you should have spent more days building than skiing :-) Ben Do Not Archive On 3/26/2010 8:53 PM, Doug Dever wrote: > I had a little health scare recently. I noticed a dark blurry spot > with distortion in my vision a couple weeks ago. Went to my > optometrist yesterday who is a long time friend from high school. She > identified the problem as macular edema (fluid under the center of the > retina). > She immediately scheduled an appointment with a retina specialist for > today. After having my eyes dialated and filled with 4 different > kinds of drops, poked, lenses literally stuck against my eye, blinded > by light, flourescent dye injected into my veins and then flash > blinded by 47 pictures I was diagnosed with cystoid macular edima ( > the relatively benign kind that usually goes away on its own). The > Dr. said it is almost always caused by stress. > > The moral is I guess I need to get back to building. It's a great > stress reliever for me in the summer. In the winter I ski. Skied 77 > days this year. Now if I could only figure out a way to build 77 days > this summer. > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powect/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:33:10 PM PST US
    From: Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
    Subject: A little health scare slightly off topic
    Looks like it is temporary. Very annoying as I have no depth perception. I still have 20-15 vision in my other eye though. Flying might be more tha n a little interesting at the moment. Do Not Archive Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio From: bcharvet@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A little health scare slightly off topic Hope and pray that it is self limiting and temporary. I find skiing stres sful. Maybe you should have spent more days building than skiing :-) Ben Do Not Archive On 3/26/2010 8:53 PM=2C Doug Dever wrote: I had a little health scare recently. I noticed a dark blurry spot with di stortion in my vision a couple weeks ago. Went to my optometrist yesterday who is a long time friend from high school. She identified the problem as macular edema (fluid under the center of the retina). She immediately scheduled an appointment with a retina specialist for toda y. After having my eyes dialated and filled with 4 different kinds of drop s=2C poked=2C lenses literally stuck against my eye=2C blinded by light=2C flourescent dye injected into my veins and then flash blinded by 47 picture s I was diagnosed with cystoid macular edima ( the relatively benign kind t hat usually goes away on its own). The Dr. said it is almost always caused by stress. The moral is I guess I need to get back to building. It's a great stress r eliever for me in the summer. In the winter I ski. Skied 77 days this yea r. Now if I could only figure out a way to build 77 days this summer. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Hotmail: Trusted email with powect/01/' target='_new'>Sign up now. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2




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