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1. 01:16 AM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (ALAN LYSCARS)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: Re: Rudder cables (walt)
3. 06:23 AM - Cylinder Head Temp (Thomas Bernie)
4. 06:58 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temp (Jack Phillips)
5. 07:24 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temp (Thomas Bernie)
6. 07:45 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temp (Jack Phillips)
7. 08:22 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temp (Thomas Bernie)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temp (walt)
9. 08:36 AM - Re: C-90 GPU For Sale (David Paule)
10. 09:01 AM - links to email attachments (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 09:21 AM - gps speed (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 10:35 AM - New Member Lurking on the Lists (gtche98)
13. 10:48 AM - Re: Cylinder Head Temp (Jack Phillips)
14. 12:10 PM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (David Paule)
15. 12:12 PM - Re: Front seat front support (Michael Perez)
16. 12:42 PM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Gary Boothe)
17. 01:28 PM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Ryan Mueller)
18. 01:48 PM - Re: A little health scare slightly off topic (Rick Holland)
19. 07:35 PM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
20. 09:25 PM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Rick Holland)
21. 10:07 PM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Ryan Mueller)
22. 10:43 PM - Continental A-65 and Stromberg carb for sale (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
Tim..
There was a big rush to buy these GPU engines and convert them for air work
back in the '60s. All were military surplus and had varying numbers of
hours of service on them. I vaguely remember reading more than a few
articles on the conversion requirements in Sport Aviation articles from the
time. Surly, a quick search of the Sport Aviation archives (online @ EAA)
would reveal the posts. My dim memory of the subject nags that the
application of this power plant was a marginal benefit to air work compared
to other available engines-primarily due to its high weight to HP output
ratio. However, due to it's cheap acquisition cost back then many guys
made a go of it.
Al Lyscars
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> I believe that was a "ground power unit." Various branches of the
> military used everything from A-40s on up to power electric generators.
> After all, they are light, air-cooled, etc.
>
> If this is right, and it was hooked to a gen, you'll have to look at what
> it takes to add a propeller and whatever else it takes to make it a real
> aircraft engine. For instance, I would guess that the carb on a GPU might
> be on top of the engine, as on an auto, but I am guessing.
>
> Others on the board must know a lot more about this than I do.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>>Sent: Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 GPU For Sale
>>
>>
>>Jack,
>>
>>I guess I'm not up on the nomenclature - what does GPU stand for?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Dan
>>
>>
>>On 03/26/2010 12:54 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> I received a response to my wanted post in Craigslist for an engine.
>>> Since I already J have one I wanted to share. I ask the gent to share
>>> more info but have not heard back. He responded with;
>>>
>>> I have a C-90 GPU engine that I will let you have for $1,500
>>>
>>> Joseph Stephenson
>>>
>>> micahstephenson@aol.com <mailto:micahstephenson@aol.com>
>>>
>>> Jack
>>>
>>> DSM
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>--
>>Dan Yocum
>>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder cables |
Petri,
I assume that you have springs at the end of the tailwheel cables, to
the tailwheel?
The springs allow continued travel of the rudder past the maxing of the
tailwheel.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Pieti Lowell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rudder cables
<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
Walt,
When the tail wheel horns are shorter than the rudder horns the tail
wheel will max the rotation before the rudders equal rotation. I.E. If
the Tail wheel horns are a total length of 6 " and the rudder horns are
12 " long, you push right rudder fully down and the cable to the
movement of the tail wheel will be maxed, and the rudder will have
hardly moved, when the tail lifts off and you have a cross wind you have
no rudder control, because the cable on the rudder has hardly moved at
half the forward distant. and you need a bunch of forward speed to take
up the long dwell time, getting off the ground,and with very little
rudder control.
Pieti Lowell
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291876#291876
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| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling eyebrows?
I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs -- probably reduced
frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
"flying in May"
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| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
Tom,
I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years ago
I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on the
way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of the
cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when I
got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression so
I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston rings
stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Bernie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
"flying in May"
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Head Temp |
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory things
I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have very minimal
ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the cowling! One
thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
The best source of info on the small Continentals that I know is Harry
Fenton. I discussed my stuck rings with him and pointed out that some
airplanes, including the Rose Parakeet don't have any cooling eyebrows. His
response was that they will exhibit cooling problems sooner or later.
The Mooney Mite is a lot faster, so maybe it can get enough cooling. All I
know is I had less cooling on that side and got stuck rings on both those
cylinders.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Bernie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory
things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have
very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the
cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years
ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on
the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of
the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when
I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression
so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston
rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
<tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Head Temp |
I'm convinced. Thanks.
On Mar 27, 2010, at 10:37 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> The best source of info on the small Continentals that I know is Harry
> Fenton. I discussed my stuck rings with him and pointed out that some
> airplanes, including the Rose Parakeet don't have any cooling eyebrows. His
> response was that they will exhibit cooling problems sooner or later.
>
> The Mooney Mite is a lot faster, so maybe it can get enough cooling. All I
> know is I had less cooling on that side and got stuck rings on both those
> cylinders.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
>
> Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory
> things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have
> very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the
> cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
> Tom
>
> On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
>
> <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years
> ago
>> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on
> the
>> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of
> the
>> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
>> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when
> I
>> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
>> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
>> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression
> so
>> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston
> rings
>> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>>
>> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
>> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
>> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>>
>> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
>> Bernie
>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
>> To: Pietenpol list
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>>
> <tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
>> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
>> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
>> Thanks,
>> Tom Bernie
>> "flying in May"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cylinder Head Temp |
I copied mine from a J3 Cub. The inboard attach point was an up angle
attaching under the casestuds/nuts.
I was advised that the attach mat'l Can't be Aluminum. Must have a
angle of steel under the nuts or lose the seal on the case due to soft
aluminum compressing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Bernie
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
<tsbernie@earthlink.net>
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and
contradictory things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows
and some have very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise"
eyebrows inside the cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend
$500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two
years ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder
on the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking
some of the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold
and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was
aluminum) when I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less
than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual
condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak
compression so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the
piston rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems
since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of
people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary
culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them
over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
<tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3
cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front
plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first
do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C-90 GPU For Sale |
In the '60s, those were Lycoming O-290s. Different engine, different
issues ,but there might be similar issues with the current crop of GPUs.
Some of the issues were converting the ignition to dual magnetos,
converting the induction to an updraft carb with mixture control, and
whittling down a mounting boss on teh front of the case to save weight.
Oh, and the starter ring gear wasn't there, nor the starter, both needed
to be acquired.
The sludge tubes in the crank were totally full of sludge, I remember,
so that mandated a full overhaul with extra emphasis on cleaning
passageways.
And the crankshaft prop flange tended to crack. Eventually a flange
beef-up kit was available that seemed to fix that problem.
Sounds like a lot of work, but probably not much different, all in all,
than converting a Model A. Just remember that when you open the crate,
you'd be getting a project, not a flyable airplane engine.
David Paule
<alyscars@myfairpoint.net>
There was a big rush to buy these GPU engines and convert them for air
work
back in the '60s. All were military surplus and had varying numbers of
hours of service on them.
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| Subject: | links to email attachments |
Jack asked:
>I noticed when you "attach" pictures they are in
>a link form below the attachment area. How is that
>done?
I think if you post the email via the Matronics
Piet forum rather than the email list and add the
attachment there, the link to the attachment shows up
in your post.
If you are on the digest version of the email list
(which I am), this can be very useful because as
everyone who takes the digest knows, attachments don't
come through in the daily digest. On the forum, they
do.
I take the digest so I won't spend as much time reading
Piet emails at work, but I find myself logging onto
the forum to check them anyway. PS, if you want to
get me in trouble, call my boss, Pat Griffith, at
(210)522-5533 and tell him I'm reading airplane emails
instead of working. Maybe he'll fire me and I can go
work on airplanes full-time instead of being an engineer.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Jack wrote:
> Two years ago enroute to Brodhead over the
> Blue Ridge Mountains in my Pietenpol the GPS
> indicated my groundspeed was 27 knots. Somewhat
> discouraging.
Jack, the FAA and NTSB are now cautioning pilots
that many aircraft can stall at an airspeed of
61MPH or less, and that the instruments may not
properly reflect the actual airspeed. With a
groundspeed that low, weren't you worried about
falling out of the sky? Oh, wait... it isn't
groundspeed that keeps the airplane in the air!
And it isn't indicated airspeed that does, either!
Maybe it's the GPS that keeps the airplane in
the air? What about the propeller? I know-!
It's the airworthiness certificate that keeps it
in the air!
(Pardon my venting).
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | New Member Lurking on the Lists |
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I will
be spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of now, I
have not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair Venture. It
took him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird (see pic).
Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own "family"
plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at Oshkosh in 2008,
I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since. We have now settled
on the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to start construction in the
fall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to the August time frame.
1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop a network
of local builders.
2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options (especially
William Wynne's Corvair option).
4 - Order Plans
As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice you
might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a Pietenpol
in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear from you.
I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
Gary
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Cylinder Head Temp |
That is correct, Walt. I made those brackets out of steel, but had used
aluminum under the rocker box cover screws. Those aluminum brackets were
what broke, and now ALL the brackets on mine are steel.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
I copied mine from a J3 Cub. The inboard attach point was an up angle
attaching under the casestuds/nuts.
I was advised that the attach mat'l Can't be Aluminum. Must have a angle of
steel under the nuts or lose the seal on the case due to soft aluminum
compressing.
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas <mailto:tsbernie@earthlink.net> Bernie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
Thanks Jack, that's all I needed to hear. Two interesting and contradictory
things I found were that some Mooney Mites have no eyebows and some have
very minimal ones, and Super Cubs can have "low rise" eyebrows inside the
cowling! One thing for sure, I'm not going to spend $500 bucks for a pair.
Tom
On Mar 27, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> I don't know the actual temperatures, but I can tell you that two years
ago
> I broke the bracket attaching the eyebrow to the left front cylinder on
the
> way to Brodhead. This allowed the eyebrow to splay out, leaking some of
the
> cooling air. I made a couple of makeshift repairs which didn't hold and
> finally remade the bracket (out of steel - the original was aluminum) when
I
> got home. The airplane probably flew a total of 20 hours with less than
> optimum cooling on the left side. The next year at the annual condition
> inspection I found that both cylinders on that side had weak compression
so
> I pulled the cylinders and discovered that both of them had the piston
rings
> stuck. I replaced the rings with new ones and have had no problems since.
>
> In discussing the problem of stuck piston rings with a number of people
> knowlegeable about small Continentals I found that the primary culprit to
> cause stuck piston rings is high cylinder head temps.
>
> All this is a long preamble to saying, if I were you I'd make them over.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Bernie
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:23 AM
> To: Pietenpol list
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cylinder Head Temp
>
<tsbernie@earthlink.net>
>
> Does anybody know what the CHT runs on a Continental with J-3 cooling
> eyebrows? I made a pair and that ended up too low for the front plugs --
> probably reduced frontal area by 40%. It wouldn't be the first do-over.
> Thanks,
> Tom Bernie
> "flying in May"
>
>
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>
>
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If you're only going to have one airplane, get one with more seats than your
family, so you can take friends along as well as family.
Make sure that it has a closed cockpit and a heater, so that you can
actually use it in a practical manner.
It should have a cruise speed of at least twice the speed of a car, point to
point, or else it won't get used for traveling. The "at least" is pretty
important, by the way.
David Paule
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I was more specifically looking at the ears that extend to the sides. I won
dered why I could not just ply the seat front only. (Which would prevent ra
cking of the seat as well.) No matter now, I already have the "eared" plywo
od epoxied in.
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
I'm in the process of ballasting my Piet up to gross weight to complete pha
se 1, and when you think about piling 200 pounds on that seat, you will be
glad you put in all the bracing(I added extra) that the plans call for.=C2
- Remember if the seat collapses, you lose rudder control, possibly ailer
ons and elevator too.=C2- Once again you get to hear someone say " build
it to the plans, build it to the plans.."
Ben Charvet
On 3/26/2010 8:50 PM, gcardinal wrote:
Mr. Cuy is right on. That brace prevents the front seat from racking side-t
o-side.
=C2-
Greg Cardinal
=C2-
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
I believe=C2- you are thinking of the right thing Mike. I looked at it an
d thought it needed to extend to sides for a reason, it just looks inadequa
te to really do much in my eyes. Those ears get some holes in them for the
rudder cables as well. I guess there is a reason for them to be extended, I
just have a hard time seeing it...being such a small piece.
=C2-
Any other thoughts?
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
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stiffener if I=99m picturing your question correctly in my head.
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat front support
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Gary,
Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I
will be spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of
now, I have not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair
Venture. It took him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird
(see pic).
Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own
"family" plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at
Oshkosh in 2008, I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since.
We have now settled on the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to start
construction in the fall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to the
August time frame.
1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop a
network of local builders.
2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options
(especially William Wynne's Corvair option).
4 - Order Plans
As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice
you might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a
Pietenpol in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear
from you.
I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
Gary
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Why wait 4-5 months to buy plans? You can't start building until you
have plans!
If you are interested in the Wynne Corvair conversion shoot me an
email. We are putting our build on hiatus as we just have no space to
build where we live right now, and can't spend enough time at the shop
where we have the project. We're going to try to buy a flying Piet
instead. As such we have our Corvair conversion parts for
sale...pretty much everything you need to build a Wynne Corvair
conversion: case, crank, heads, Wynne parts, overhaul parts.
Everything reworked/new and ready to put together. Send me an email
for details. Best of luck with your build!
Ryan
rmueller23@gmail.com
On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:35 PM, "gtche98" <garywilson213@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce
> myself, as I will be spending time reading this list. My name is
> Gary Wilson and as of now, I have not built an airplane, but helped
> my father build a Questair Venture. It took him 20 years, but it
> turned out to be a beautiful bird (see pic).
>
> Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our
> own "family" plane. While walking through the affordable flying
> hangar at Oshkosh in 2008, I saw my first Piet, and have been
> fascinated ever since. We have now settled on the Air Camper as our
> family plane, and plan to start construction in the fall. Here is
> my plan of action so far to get us to the August time frame.
>
> 1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to
> develop a network of local builders.
> 2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
> 3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine
> options (especially William Wynne's Corvair option).
> 4 - Order Plans
>
> As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any
> advice you might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is
> building or has a Pietenpol in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin
> area, I would love to hear from you.
>
> I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
>
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291947#291947
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/venture_856.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: A little health scare slightly off topic |
A friend at work (in his 30s) had the same thing. He worked 60-70 hrs
a week and the doctor also told him it was stress related. He told the
company owner that he could only work 40 hrs a week from now on and
don't even think about calling him on evenings or weekends to got fly
out to a client site to work 16 hrs/day to fix any problem that comes
up. Owner said OK. Didn't even change his salary. Good luck with your
eye problem.
rick
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I had a little health scare recently. I noticed a dark blurry spot with
> distortion in my vision a couple weeks ago. Went to my optometrist
> yesterday who is a long time friend from high school. She identified the
> problem as macular edema (fluid under the center of the retina).
> She immediately scheduled an appointment with a retina specialist for
> today. After having my eyes dialated and filled with 4 different kinds of
> drops, poked, lenses literally stuck against my eye, blinded by light,
> flourescent dye injected into my veins and then flash blinded by 47 pictures
> I was diagnosed with cystoid macular edima ( therelatively benign kind that
> usually goes away on its own). The Dr. said it is almost always caused by
> stress.
>
> The moral is I guess I need to get back to building. It's a great stress
> reliever for me in the summer. In the winter I ski. Skied 77 days this
> year. Now if I could onlyfigure out a way to build 77 days this summer.
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
>
>
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Gary,
Welcome to the fold. If I may comment on your strategy I would suggest you
buy the plans and begin building ASAP so when you arrive at Brodhead you
have a bit of build experience to guide your picture taking, question asking
and research. Its much easier to ask great questions and get solid advice
when your approach is from the actual build and not the virtual or
conceptual aspects of the build.
Having been down that road and still in the build I found it much more to
my benefit and comprehension to ask questions from experience rather than
the theoretical. You will also find that since no two are alike designs and
dimensions will differ from drawings to actual examples.
During my travels of meeting other builders even before I began to build
my project, its hard to appreciate the advice you may receive.
One of the best pieces I got was from Hans Vandervort, he said that "many
builders spent too much time looking at and studying the drawings trying
to figure things out, you just need to start building and the rest will come
to you as you go". The design and build leaves much to the builder own
initiative and creativity which is where the no two like comes from.
The bad news is the plans and drawings are not there insert flap A into
slot B they do require some reasoning the good news is they require some
reasoning and allow you the builder to make it your airplane. You just have to
be ready for that. And when you get stuck or hit the builders block, pull
back give her a good long look and shell talk to ya, she'll tell ya what has
to be done next. You just have to be willing to listen to her.
I love the process and most importantly I really love my new found friends
and getting to see them each year at Brodhead. I can wait for July to get
here. For me its Christmas, my birthday, the Holy Grail and Mecca all rolled
up into one spectacular event of friendship, airplanes, stories, jokes and
good old fashion telling lies, oh yeah
(warning, watch out for Markle)!
Hope to see ya there.
John
In a message dated 3/27/2010 3:43:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gboothe5@comcast.net writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Gary,
Welcome!! I'm always happy to meet someone who's name I can remember...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gtche98
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:35 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member Lurking on the Lists
Good Morning All - Just wanted to take a minute and introduce myself, as I
will be spending time reading this list. My name is Gary Wilson and as of
now, I have not built an airplane, but helped my father build a Questair
Venture. It took him 20 years, but it turned out to be a beautiful bird
(see pic).
Now with a family of my own, we are just about ready to start our own
"family" plane. While walking through the affordable flying hangar at
Oshkosh in 2008, I saw my first Piet, and have been fascinated ever since.
We have now settled on the Air Camper as our family plane, and plan to
start
construction in the fall. Here is my plan of action so far to get us to
the
August time frame.
1 - Join local EAA chapter and start attending regular meetings to develop
a
network of local builders.
2 - Attend Brodhead - Take as many notes and pictures as I can!
3 - Oshkosh - spend time in the woodworking tent and study engine options
(especially William Wynne's Corvair option).
4 - Order Plans
As a first timer just getting started, I would certainly welcome any advice
you might provide as I get started. Also, if anyone is building or has a
Pietenpol in the Greenville (Appleton) Wisconsin area, I would love to hear
from you.
I look forward to learning a lot from each of you!
Gary
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=291947#291947
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/venture_856.jpg
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Totally agree, you will get 10 times more out of your Broadhead
experience (and encounters with any other homebuilders) if you had the
plans and had spent time coming up with a list of questions. And
especially if you start building something before Broadhead, even if
its just building ribs, which is where most people start anyhow.
rick
> Gary,
>
> Welcome to the fold. If I may comment on your strategy I would suggest you
> buy the plans and begin building ASAP so when you arrive at Brodhead you
> have a bit of build experience to guide your picture taking, question asking
> and research. Its much easier to ask great questions and get solid advice
> when your approach is from the actual build and not the virtual or
> conceptual aspects of the build.
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Just make sure you come to BRODhead.... ;)
do not archive
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Totally agree, you will get 10 times more out of your Broadhead
> experience (and encounters with any other homebuilders) if you had the
> plans and had spent time coming up with a list of questions. And
> especially if you start building something before Broadhead, even if
> its just building ribs, which is where most people start anyhow.
>
> rick
>
>
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| Subject: | Continental A-65 and Stromberg carb for sale |
Good evening all,
We have a Continental A-65 for sale if any might be interested. Here is the
info on the engine:
We purchased it from a couple in Florida last year; they had removed it from
their Cub to install a larger engine. The engine has logs back to day one
(6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from
the J-3 in 2002. It looks like part of the reason for it's low time is that
the Cub it was attached to was damaged in a storm in '69, and didn't get
rebuilt until '93. Other than that the logs are pretty uneventful. The
engine is complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Apparently
they swapped those items out on to the replacement engine. Here is a pic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg
That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The
mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags, and I have no reason
to doubt that they work; they worked fine when the engine was removed from
the airplane. We are asking $3,000 for it, which is exactly the amount we
paid for it.
As I mentioned, it does not come with a carb. We do also have a carb for
sale, either with the engine or separately. It's a Stromberg NA-S3A1, that
has been overhauled and yellow-tagged by Russ Romey at D&G Supply in Niles,
MI. Corvair enthusiasts may recognize that shop as the go-to place for
Corvair conversion carb overhauls, and that is why we sent it there. It is
currently set up for a Corvair, which means equivalent to a C-85. I talked
with Russ about changing it over to A-65 configuration, and he said it would
cost about $100. I think it's mainly a venturi change, is all. The
carburetor is available for $600. We paid $200 for the core, and $475 to
have it overhauled, as it was missing the throttle arm and main needle.
If you might be interested in either please email me and we can discuss
further. Have a good evening!
Ryan
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