---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/29/10: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Charm of the Piet (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: Charm of the Piet (Ryan Mueller) 3. 05:58 AM - Re: Charm of the Piet (Bill Church) 4. 06:31 AM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (gtche98) 5. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Charm of the Piet (Gary Boothe) 6. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Charm of the Piet (Gary Boothe) 7. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (David Paule) 8. 07:49 AM - welcome Gary (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Richard Schreiber) 10. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Dan Yocum) 11. 08:06 AM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (gtche98) 12. 08:24 AM - Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Bill Church) 13. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Rick Holland) 14. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 08:54 AM - Re: welcome Gary (Dan Yocum) 16. 09:10 AM - Re: Charm of the Piet (Bill Church) 17. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (David Paule) 18. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Jim Markle) 19. 01:34 PM - new pipes for N8031! (Dan Yocum) 20. 01:42 PM - Re: new pipes for N8031! (Jeff Boatright) 21. 01:48 PM - Re: new pipes for N8031! (Ryan Mueller) 22. 01:51 PM - Re: new pipes for N8031! (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 23. 02:25 PM - Re: new pipes for N8031! (Dan Yocum) 24. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Chris) 25. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists (Kip and Beth Gardner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:01 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Charm of the Piet From: helspersew@aol.com Bill, I didn't think an egg-headed engineer like yourself could have written so eloquently. Do you have a ghost writer? What it CAN do is transport the pilot (and one lucky passenger at a time) back in time, to a simpler age, when getting there in a hurry wasn't so importa nt -back to the days when flying was more appreciated for the wonder that it really is. Flying in a Pietenpol (or any similar open cockpit airplane, for that matter) is an entirely different experience than flying in any enclosed "S pam can". Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charm of the Piet From: Ryan Mueller Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I agree, well written Bill. Ryan do not archive On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:25 AM, wrote: > Bill, > > I didn't think an egg-headed engineer like yourself could have written so > eloquently. Do you have a ghost writer? > > What it CAN do is transport the pilot (and one lucky passenger at a time) > back > in time, to a simpler age, when getting there in a hurry wasn't so > important > -back to the days when flying was more appreciated for the wonder that it > really > is. Flying in a Pietenpol (or any similar open cockpit airplane, for that > matter) is an entirely different experience than flying in any enclosed > "Spam > can". > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charm of the Piet From: "Bill Church" Dan, Thanks... I think. "Egg-headed" ??? How eloquent. Would you LIKE to have a ghost writer? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292185#292185 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists From: "gtche98" Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days, months, years. To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list. Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership. David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying, one family member at a time. Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold! Gary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:22 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charm of the Piet "Ouch!"...tough crowd this morning.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charm of the Piet Dan, Thanks... I think. "Egg-headed" ??? How eloquent. Would you LIKE to have a ghost writer? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292185#292185 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:22 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charm of the Piet "Ouch!"...tough crowd this morning.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charm of the Piet Dan, Thanks... I think. "Egg-headed" ??? How eloquent. Would you LIKE to have a ghost writer? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292185#292185 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:22 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane." David Paule > > > That seems like a strange response to Gary's question. > This IS the Pietenpol List - which means it is about building and flying a > two-seat, open cockpit, antiquey plane that, under certain circumstances > can reach speeds approaching that of an average car. > I don't think anyone builds a Pietenpol expecting it to transport a whole > family (plus friends) in enclosed, heated comfort, in half the time that a > car takes..... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:22 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welcome Gary Gary, Welcome to the list. A great source of photos already exists of Pietenpols that Chris Tracy has so kindly posted for us all and you don't have to even step foot outside your house to hundreds and hundreds of great photos of all kinds of different Piets and Piet building ideas for you. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ To order plans, the Pietenpol family web site is here: http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ Lastly, save yourself tons of time and money by having the Sportplane Builder series of books by Tony Bingelis at your side during building. These books were instrumental in helping answer a zillion of my questions without ever having to post, ask, or wander around wondering what my options were or how I should go about a certain part of the building process. Don't rely on old wives tales or heresay---go to these books. You'll get the straight poop without any BS and there are great sketches, diagrams, and a complete index to guide you to your answers. There are FOUR books in this series and I highly recommend getting the whole enchilada right up front. Merry Christmas. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/books_bingelis.html If you're not a pilot Gary or don't have any tailwheel time I would visit Steve Krog at Hartford, WI and take an hour of dual in one of his J-3 Cubs to see if you even like low and slow old fashioned flying. Just a thought, your mileage may vary. http://www.sportpilot.org/learntofly/articles/070917_learning.html Finally, don't listen to anything that Jim Markle, myself, or Jack Phillips posts. Mike C. NX48MC ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:39 AM PST US From: "Richard Schreiber" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists Gary: I would buy these 2 publications from the EAA, the 1932 and 1933 Flying and Glider Manuals. These are the Pietenpol publications from the early '30s. They included the plans plus construction notes. For only $6.95 each, its well worth the price. Some have actually built from these publications alone, though if you purchase the plans, you will not only have more detail, but also all of the plan updates. Here is a link http://www.shopeaa.com/search.aspx?find=pietenpol Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN > [Original Message] > From: gtche98 > To: > Date: 3/29/2010 8:32:19 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists > > > Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days, months, years. > > To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list. > > Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership. > > David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying, one family member at a time. > > Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold! > > Gary > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:55 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists Gary, At the very least, if you don't feel like laying out $250 for the full set of plans, buy the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual with the original Pietenpol plans from the EAA: http://www.shopeaa.com/1932flyingandglidermanual.aspx It'll be the best $6.95 + S&H you'll ever spend. Heck, sounds like you could save the S&H and drive over and pick it up yourself. The other thing I suggest you do is check out Chris Tracy's excellent Pietenpol web site, http://www.westcoastpiet.com. There are ton of great photos of Piet details as well has hand drawn sketches of how different builders came up different solutions to the same problems. Good stuff. Cheers, Dan On 03/29/2010 08:30 AM, gtche98 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "gtche98" > > Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days, months, years. > > To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list. > > Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership. > > David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying, one family member at a time. > > Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold! > > Gary > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists From: "gtche98" Yup - Already have the 32 F&G Manual, and have read BPs article about 30 times! Someone earlier in the thread had mentioned Chris's website and I am working my way through it now. It will take quite some time as he has built up an impressive vault of information. Thanks for the information! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292215#292215 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists From: "Bill Church" Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project. Different interpretations of the same words, I guess. Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us. Bill C. Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the Lists As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane." David Paule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292220#292220 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists From: Rick Holland And as if you didn't already have enough recommended reading material Gary, don't forget the book "The Peitenpol Story" by Chet Peak (who is building a Pietenpol and attends Brodhead sometimes). All the rest of his book are great too. http://www.threepeakspub.com/ rick On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:30 AM, gtche98 wrote: > > Thanks to all for your warm welcome and thoughtful advice. I very much appreciate it, and look forward to getting to know each of you in the upcoming days, months, years. > > To those that have recommended getting the plans first, I will certainly take that into consideration. I am considering this a long term project, and live only minutes from Oshkosh and hours from Brodhead, so neither of these will be significant excursions for me (thankfully), and I anticipate being at both every year for the foreseeable future. Having said that, you all have me wanting to dive into the plans right now, so we may have to move that one up the list. > > Oscar - As mentioned at the end of my original post ( [Wink] ), I am in Greenville, WI. I have already received a private email from a Piet builder in Greenville, which was the holy grail email I was looking for...I will be making arrangements to meet up with this individual in the near future. I would love to know if there are any others in this area. Also, my understanding is that Doc Mosher is a member of the Oshkosh EAA chapter, so that is probably where I will secure my local chapter membership. > > David and Bill - Thank you both for your insights. I had to chuckle just a little bit when David used the word "practical" to refer to an airplane. [Laughing] Unfortunately, in order to follow David's advice (which I would love to do), I would be in the market for a Saratoga, and the budget definately does not support that. No, the Air Camper will be a family airplane in that the entire family will build it and (hopefully) develop a love for low and slow flying, one family member at a time. > > Thanks again for welcoming me into the fold! > > Gary > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292189#292189 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:43 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists Actually the Piet qualifies quite well, during 1929 and 30 the auto didn't travel much faster than 40 mph, young family, wife if she could stand the ride, the first child or family dog. It all seems to fit quite well. Its an airplane not a jet, but they didn't have Jets back in those days and if you dressed properly as if you were riding in your open top car it was pretty much the same environment. Except for the road dirt and dust in your face. Here in Lancaster County Pa the roads contain more than dust and dirt, our Amish community family and work transportation sees to that aspect. John In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billspiet@sympatico.ca writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project. Different interpretations of the same words, I guess. Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us. Bill C. Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the Lists As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane." David Paule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292220#292220 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:45 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: welcome Gary On 03/29/2010 09:31 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > There are FOUR books in this series and I highly recommend getting the whole enchilada right up front. Merry Christmas. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/bv/books_bingelis.html I'd add one more to that list, too. The "Wood Aircraft Building Techniques" book: http://www.shopeaa.com/woodaircraftbuildingtechniques.aspx Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:10:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Charm of the Piet From: "Bill Church" (In the voice of Foghorn Leghorn) Son, Ah say Son... That was a JOKE. DO NOT ARCHIVE I'm just a loud-mouthed schnook. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292230#292230 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:22 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as fast as a car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater and is out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. Your choice of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available. But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a practical family airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one. David Paule > > Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would > mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us. > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:26 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists And the Pietenpol design has been known to rescue a family (a wife and two small children on one trip then the pilot went back for the father) from where they were stranded during a snow storm once long ago... So maybe that qualified as two adults and two children.... -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists Actually the Piet qualifies quite well, during 1929 and 30 the auto didn't travel much faster than 40 mph, young family, wife if she could stand the ride, the first child or family dog. It all seems to fit quite well. Its an airplane not a jet, but they didn't have Jets back in those days and if you dressed properly as if you were riding in your open top car it was pretty much the same environment. Except for the road dirt and dust in your face. Here in Lancaster County Pa the roads contain more than dust and dirt, our Amish community family and work transportation sees to that aspect. John In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billspiet@sympatico.ca writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" Well, yeah, he did. But he also just finished saying that he had helped his Dad build a two-seater airplane (over a twenty year period). That's what I assumed was meant by "family" plane - that it was a family project. Different interpretations of the same words, I guess. Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us. Bill C. Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:49 am Post subject: New Member Lurking on the Lists As I recall, he used the phrase "family airplane." David Paule Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292220#292220============================================== Use the ties Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:20 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: new pipes for N8031! So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla. (http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones on, again. But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on *my* plane. They look really cool, too. Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying... Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:56 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new pipes for N8031! Those look great! Two questions: How does the carb heat get heat off those stack? How much did they cost? >So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could >take the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla. >(http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones >on, again. > >But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on >*my* plane. > >They look really cool, too. > >Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying... > >Cheers, >Dan > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new pipes for N8031! From: Ryan Mueller Congratulations Dan! Can't wait to hear how they sound. Looks good, and aerodynamically efficient as well. :P Ryan do not archive On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take the > old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla. ( > http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones on, > again. > > But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on *my* > plane. > > They look really cool, too. > > Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying... > > Cheers, > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:58 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new pipes for N8031! Dan, nice looking pipes. I wouldn't advertise them though. Oh BTW I understand Markle is going to be in the Chicago area soon, I am certain he's gonna love them. A lot! John In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:35:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, yocum@fnal.gov writes: So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla. (http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones on, again. But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on *my* plane. They look really cool, too. Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying... Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:19 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new pipes for N8031! I took the photos w/o the carb muff attached. You can see the scat hose on the right hand side behind the pipe - that's where the old muff will go, again. Cost was about $100 less then an official FAA Repair Shop (I got a quote from Dawley Aviation in Burlington). Oh, I should note, these are not yellow tagged pipes. I did ask Sonny, the owner/welder, if he did "the right thing" to shield the backs of the welds with argon and he verified that he did. Lucky for me, I know Markle doesn't need A65 pipes, using that old Ford that he is. Whew! Now, the impending addition of that other Piet at my airport... those guys, I'll have to worry about! ;-) Cheers, Dan On 03/29/2010 03:42 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote: > > Those look great! Two questions: How does the carb heat get heat off > those stack? How much did they cost? > > >> So, the only credit I can take for these is the fact that I could take >> the old pipes off, send them to the exhaust welder in Fla. >> (http://www.flyoldplanes.com), and put the shiny new stainless ones >> on, again. >> >> But, dang! it feels good to be able to do some of the work myself on >> *my* plane. >> >> They look really cool, too. >> >> Now if the winds would settle down this week, I'd go flying... >> >> Cheers, >> Dan >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:19 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists I can imagine a family with two children going an airport 40 miles away for breakfast would look something like this. http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/pav.jpg Look closely, and count the people. Chris Sacramento,Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as fast as a car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater and is out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. Your choice of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available. But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a practical family airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one. David Paule > > Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane > would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us. > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:30 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists Yeah, from a while back though. Even if Frankie still doesn't have much gray hair, the kids are MUCH bigger. Do not archive Kip Gardner On Mar 29, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Chris wrote: > > I can imagine a family with two children going an airport 40 miles > away for > breakfast would look something like this. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Frank%20Pavliga/pav.jpg > > Look closely, and count the people. > > Chris > Sacramento,Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > David Paule > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:49 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member Lurking on the Lists > > > That's probably why Cessna sold so many 172s. It's about twice as > fast as a > car, holds a family of four with a little baggage, and has a heater > and is > out of the wind. A Piper Tri-Pacer will do about the same thing. > Your choice > of either for around $25,000, and there's financing available. > > But a Pietenpol makes a great family project... just not a > practical family > airplane. Try to imagine how a family with two children would go to an > airport 40 miles away for breakfast with one. > > David Paule > > >> >> Anyway, I think that holding out for a six-seater, 200mph airplane >> would mean NEVER having an airplane, for the vast majority of us. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.