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1. 09:16 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Ryan Mueller)
2. 09:22 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jack Phillips)
3. 09:29 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
4. 09:29 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (shad bell)
5. 09:42 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (TOM STINEMETZE)
6. 09:52 AM - project for sale (Ben Williams)
7. 09:53 AM - sad for Tom in Texas (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
8. 09:55 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (John Hofmann)
9. 10:00 AM - Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship (Bill Church)
10. 10:15 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Ryan Mueller)
11. 10:42 AM - Re: project for sale (Jack)
12. 10:44 AM - Firewall Fabrication (John Egan)
13. 11:46 AM - Re: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 12:01 PM - Re: Firewall Fabrication (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
15. 12:24 PM - totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
16. 01:02 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend (Jeff Boatright)
17. 02:08 PM - forming aluminum (skellytown flyer)
18. 02:09 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. W (skellytown flyer)
19. 02:25 PM - Re: forming aluminum (walt)
20. 02:34 PM - GN-1 question (coxwelljon)
21. 02:40 PM - Re: forming aluminum (coxwelljon)
22. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. W (helspersew@aol.com)
23. 03:09 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend (Steve Ruse)
24. 03:11 PM - Re: Firewall Fabrication (kevinpurtee)
25. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Firewall Fabrication (Rick Holland)
26. 03:39 PM - Re: GN-1 question (bryan green)
27. 04:11 PM - Re: forming aluminum (skellytown flyer)
28. 04:23 PM - EW CG of 799B (Douwe Blumberg)
29. 04:28 PM - electronic tach (Douwe Blumberg)
30. 04:55 PM - Re: electronic tach (Lagowski Morrow)
31. 05:04 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (airlion)
32. 05:22 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend (Jack)
33. 05:30 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Wo (K5YAC)
34. 05:35 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jack Phillips)
35. 05:35 PM - Intercom ()
36. 05:37 PM - Re: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship (K5YAC)
37. 05:50 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (airlion)
38. 06:36 PM - Re: GN-1 question (coxwelljon)
39. 06:38 PM - Re: Re: intercom (Jeff Boatright)
40. 06:39 PM - Re: Firewall Fabrication (Gary Boothe)
41. 06:40 PM - Re: Firewall Fabrication (Gary Boothe)
42. 06:42 PM - Re: forming aluminum (Gary Boothe)
43. 06:43 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jack Phillips)
44. 06:58 PM - Re: GN-1 question (Thomas Bernie)
45. 07:48 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend (Jim Markle)
46. 08:06 PM - Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend (Steve Ruse)
47. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: intercom (greg menoche)
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Just wanted to update: our Corvair package has been sold to a good home!
Thank you to those that inquired.
If you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still have
our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and complete
logs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop. The first
$3,000 snaps it up! :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
> sale. <snip>
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| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Just wanted to update: our Corvair package has been sold to a good home!
Thank you to those that inquired.
If you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still have
our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and complete
logs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop. The first
$3,000 snaps it up! :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
sale. <snip>
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Tell ya what,
If I didnt have an engine with more than that already in it I would be
allover that. I passed the $3,000 mark quite a while ago and still counting.
Sounds like a great deal
John
In a message dated 3/30/2010 12:16:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rmueller23@gmail.com writes:
Just wanted to update: our Corvair package has been sold to a good home!
Thank you to those that inquired.
If you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still
have our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and complete
logs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop. The
first $3,000 snaps it up! :)
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller <_rmueller23@gmail.com_
(mailto:rmueller23@gmail.com) > wrote:
Hello all,
We have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair conversion parts up for
sale. <snip>
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Ryan, You're not getting rid of your piet are you? I saw your corvair for sale
on barnstormers, but didn't put 2 and 2 togeather. Hope youre going to stick
with the piet project.
Shad
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| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Alright gents. Let's not have any of that old "crank snappin' Corvair"
smack again. I just wanted you to know that Ryan's misfortune is my great
fortune and his 5th bearing equipped Corvair will be going on N328X in
McPherson, KS. This, of course, means that I now have a Corvair project
in a much earlier stage of development that I will be making available to
persons of high quality and unassailable virtue at some point in the near
future.
I have kept the crankshaft carefully preserved in formaldehyde separately
from the rest of the engine just so it won't snap of it's own accord some
cold night in the shop.
Tom Stinemetze
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol?
Jack Phillips
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| Subject: | project for sale |
Pietfolk,
I was making good progress until we adopted a little girl. No work has
been done on it for four years, my enthusiasm to complete it is gone,
and I bought a 1970 AA-1 Yankee. It's time to pass the project on.
Here's a link to images...
http://willgoh.typepad.com/pietenpol_project/
Corvair engine, Ash for 2+ projects, plywood, AN hardware (bolts,
nuts, washers), one piece wing (ribs, spars with douglas fir, t-88)
This project is in Daly City, Ca. (SF Bay Area).
Not parting out, $500.
Thanks,
Ben Williams.
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| Subject: | sad for Tom in Texas |
Well Tom, we'll keep you in prayer as you bolt that bill of goods Ryan just
offloaded to you:).
Mike C.
PS-congratulations Tom !
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
pockity pockity pockity...
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John Hofmann
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The Rees Group, Inc.
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On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:41 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
> Alright gents. Let's not have any of that old "crank snappin'
Corvair" smack again. I just wanted you to know that Ryan's misfortune
is my great fortune and his 5th bearing equipped Corvair will be going
on N328X in McPherson, KS. This, of course, means that I now have a
Corvair project in a much earlier stage of development that I will be
making available to persons of high quality and unassailable virtue at
some point in the near future.
>
> I have kept the crankshaft carefully preserved in formaldehyde
separately from the rest of the engine just so it won't snap of it's own
accord some cold night in the shop.
>
> Tom Stinemetze
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol?
>
> Jack Phillips
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship |
Not sure if this website has been mentioned here before, but there is a father
and son team in Switzerland that is building a Hatz biplane that has out of this
world workmanship and quality. They have a nice website (in English, no less)
documenting the project, which they are almost six years into now, and looks
like they are getting close to the covering stage.
I know it's not a Piet, but the work is inspiring. Check it out.
http://www.aeroplaneworks.ch/index2.html
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292372#292372
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
We unfortunately are Shad, because we just cannot spend enough time at the
shop to make any meaningful progress. At the rate we are going we will
finish about the time we should retire. That is unacceptable. :P
Once we have a place where we can build where we live (or very close by) we
will start building a Piet again. We're not completely abandoning it, just
putting the build on the back burner.; for the next few years at least it
looks like flying is feasible, and building not so much, so we're going to
fly!
So we are selling the project, the 'Vair, the A-65....all of our stuff we
have accumulated, and we are going to buy a flying Pietenpol instead. We
have been talking with a gentleman that has a very nice Piet for sale....we
are going to look at in two weeks, and if all goes well we hope to buy it by
the 1st of July, and (crossing my fingers) hopefully have it at Brodhead.
Selling the Corvair parts was the key.....selling the A-65 would make it far
less stressful to put the money together by July 1, but it should be doable
either way. Hopefully someone would like to give the A-65 a good home! :P
Have a good day,
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan, You're not getting rid of your piet are you? I saw your corvair for
> sale on barnstormers, but didn't put 2 and 2 togeather. Hope youre going to
> stick with the piet project.
> Shad
>
>
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| Subject: | project for sale |
Ben,
Did you omit a ZERO?
Jack
DSM
Pietfolk,
I was making good progress until we adopted a little girl. No work has
been done on it for four years, my enthusiasm to complete it is gone,
and I bought a 1970 AA-1 Yankee. It's time to pass the project on.
Here's a link to images...
http://willgoh.typepad.com/pietenpol_project/
Corvair engine, Ash for 2+ projects, plywood, AN hardware (bolts,
nuts, washers), one piece wing (ribs, spars with douglas fir, t-88)
This project is in Daly City, Ca. (SF Bay Area).
Not parting out, $500.
Thanks,
Ben Williams.
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| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
Builders,=0A=0AI will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am intere
sted in builders comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people
use a flange as-a means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning o
n bending a flange, and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reaso
n at the bottom edge where the cowl-droops down a little below the firewa
ll.=0A=0ASo,-=0A1.-- Do people use the flange to attach the cowl alon
g the rounded top edge?=0A2.---Is the flange needed at the bottom edg
e, or do people roll the bottom edge completely over, or maybe bend a short
flange backward on a 45 degree angle along the bottom, or omit the flange
on the bottom?=0A3.-- What are good ways to attach the steel firewall s
heet to the plywood firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel
sheet?=0A=0Aby the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.=0A=0AAl
so, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make those l
ittle waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shape.
=0A=0Athanks all,=0A=0Ajohn egan=0Agreenville, wi=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship |
I had a chance to meet those guys when they were here at Poplar Grove. It
was a fun time. You can see my hangar off the left wingtip, in the photo
with the three guys.
One disheartening thing they told me, is that this type of fun flying is
so restrictive and expensive there, that even when they finish, they will
only be able to afford to fly 15 or 30 hours (can't remember exactly). Th
ere are landing and take-off fees for every operation. They also said that
a place like Poplar Grove would be unheard of in Switzerland. The governm
ent has a stranglehold on general aviation, all in the name of "safety".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 11:59 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship
a>
Not sure if this website has been mentioned here before, but there is a fa
ther
nd son team in Switzerland that is building a Hatz biplane that has out of
this
orld workmanship and quality. They have a nice website (in English, no les
s)
ocumenting the project, which they are almost six years into now, and look
s
ike they are getting close to the covering stage.
know it's not a Piet, but the work is inspiring. Check it out.
http://www.aeroplaneworks.ch/index2.html
Bill C.
ead this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292372#292372
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| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
John,
I used thin (probably around .018" dead soft stainless steel from Dillsburg
Aeroplane Works for my firewall and bent the flange
over on all sides using Tony Bingelis' easy method around the top curvature
. I only have three small screws holding my stainless
sheet to my 1/8" plywood firewall-you really don't need a whole lot more be
cause the motor mount ears and bolts do a nice
job of keeping it tight in addition to any cowling you screw to it. I di
d put a thin (maybe 1/8" thick or less) Fiberfrax ceramic blanket
layer between my 1/8" plywood firewall and the dead soft stainless firewall
and just used a few dabs of contact cement on that
piece to keep it in place while I installed the sheet stainless. I pref
erred going over the fabric with my firewall rather than bending
the firewall edges toward the prop-just made more sense to me but then agai
n there are probably Piets with flush mounted
sheet steel firewalls which is okay too.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Worth last weekend
This is one of the best 1:08 of video I have ever seen. A good friend p
assed this along to me.
Check out the exhaust flames from that port engine.
http://vimeo.com/10482890
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Worth last weekend
That is incredible. The Canon 1D MKIV is a $5k camera, but boy,
sometimes you get what you pay for!
>This is one of the best 1:08 of video I have ever seen. A good
>friend passed this along to me.
>
>Check out the exhaust flames from that port engine.
>
>
><http://vimeo.com/10482890>http://vimeo.com/10482890
>
>Mike C.
>
>do not archive
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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| Subject: | forming aluminum |
I'm trying to get this cowl formed a little better and a friend wants me to try
and put some roll around the edges were it is close to the scoops. it will be
along a curve which will cause it to have to stretch too. he says he thinks I
can anneal the aluminum enough to form it with a hammer on a block of wood. I'm
using .025" 2024T3 which is thin and pretty hard. what are the chances I could
get it soft enough to maybe work about a 45 degree bend along a curved edge
on it without cracking? Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. W
true-it is incredible, but kinda looked photo shopped to me.it sits there like
it is on a stand never a wobble till it turns away. must have been some mighty
smooth air?
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| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Without heat, you should be able to form the edges around a thin welding
filler wire. Just leave an extra 1/4" or so, and start forming with
linesmen pliers. It's easier than you think.
I did all around the openings for my cylenders, and for the front of my
eyebrows
walt evans
NX140DL
----- Original Message -----
From: skellytown flyer
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming aluminum
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
I'm trying to get this cowl formed a little better and a friend wants
me to try and put some roll around the edges were it is close to the
scoops. it will be along a curve which will cause it to have to stretch
too. he says he thinks I can anneal the aluminum enough to form it with
a hammer on a block of wood. I'm using .025" 2024T3 which is thin and
pretty hard. what are the chances I could get it soft enough to maybe
work about a 45 degree bend along a curved edge on it without cracking?
Raymond
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I have found some discrepancies in the GN-1 plans. Certainly not the first. My
question concerns the location of the rudder pedals for the rear seat. If I
put them where they show on the plans I think I will have my knees in my chin
and I am not a tall person. If I put them where i think they need to go they
will prevent the support under the front edge of the front seat from extending
to the longerons. I read some where on the forum of concern that if the front
seat is not supported laterally it could collapse sideways.
The previous builder of my project planned to support the front seat on a set of
pedestal brackets front and back that give little lateral support. Have any
GN-1 builders encountered this. I am estimating that my rudder pedals front
and back will be 41" from the backrest of their respective seats.
Jon Coxwell
Remsen NY
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Walt,
Thanks for sharing that. I am not yet to sheet metal work, but I will get some
scrap and practice that.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over |
Dallas/ Ft. W
Yea, there is something phony about that video.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 4:09 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over
Dallas/ Ft. W
o.com>
true-it is incredible, but kinda looked photo shopped to me.it sits there
like
t is on a stand never a wobble till it turns away. must have been some mig
hty
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Worth last weekend
Very nice. The Pacific Prowler was flying in Fort Worth last weekend
for the funeral and memorial service of "Doc" Hospers, owner and
founder of the Vintage Flying Museum and the B-17 "Chuckie". The B-25
is based at the museum and did a fly-by for his memorial. I
volunteered there for several years and knew Doc, I kept my plane in
the hangar with his B-17 for a while when I lived in DFW.
http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org/
Steve Ruse
Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
> This is one of the best 1:08 of video I have ever seen. A good
> friend passed this along to me.
>
> Check out the exhaust flames from that port engine.
>
>
> http://vimeo.com/10482890
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
John - I didn't flange anything. Just took a thin piece of flat stainless, cut
out the notches for the engine mount, and then screwed the metal on with a bunch
of screws into the structure around the edges. Simple and works great.
I put a layer of fiberfrax in between but in retrospect that seems like overkill
(silly, expensive and heavy).
When I attached the fabric I removed the firewall and glued the fabric around the
edge of the structure (had to clearance the fiberfrax a little), and then reattached
the metal.
Best regards,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
Bingelis says you don't need the fiberfrax if using a steel sheet
against the firewall, but it can't hurt.
rick
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:11 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> John - I didn't flange anything. Just took a thin piece of flat stainless, cut
out the notches for the engine mount, and then screwed the metal on with a bunch
of screws into the structure around the edges. Simple and works great.
>
> I put a layer of fiberfrax in between but in retrospect that seems like overkill
(silly, expensive and heavy).
>
> When I attached the fabric I removed the firewall and glued the fabric around
the edge of the structure (had to clearance the fiberfrax a little), and then
reattached the metal.
>
> Best regards,
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292409#292409
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
Mine are approx. 40" from the backrest and attached to the front seat cross
member. I can send you a picture if you want.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 question
> <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> I have found some discrepancies in the GN-1 plans. Certainly not the
> first. My question concerns the location of the rudder pedals for the
> rear seat. If I put them where they show on the plans I think I will have
> my knees in my chin and I am not a tall person. If I put them where i
> think they need to go they will prevent the support under the front edge
> of the front seat from extending to the longerons. I read some where on
> the forum of concern that if the front seat is not supported laterally it
> could collapse sideways.
>
> The previous builder of my project planned to support the front seat on a
> set of pedestal brackets front and back that give little lateral support.
> Have any GN-1 builders encountered this. I am estimating that my rudder
> pedals front and back will be 41" from the backrest of their respective
> seats.
>
> Jon Coxwell
> Remsen NY
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Well so much for patience- I couldn't stand to try it without annealing. so I annealed
it some and started rolling the edge with pliers and tape over the jaws.
it was coming along fairly good. but I decided to trim some and re-anneal and
roll some more. that wasn't a good move.when I hit it with the torch again
I got an instant crack about 1" long in the curve. guess there was enough stress
that the weakening from the heat let er rip.Oh well-I have a pattern and enough
metal to cut another one. maybe better luck tomorrow.this is tedious work
and I am not a patient person. Raymond
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Dan,
Just got back from a trip, so didn't see your email until today.
My empty cg is 49.46. I did move the engine forward 3.5 inches and the wing
is back 1" My engine also has a counterbalanced crank and a second magneto,
so it's a bit heavier than standard, though it is probably the same as an
iron headed engine I'd imagine.
Douwe
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Ck out the electronic Westach in the aircraft Spruce catalog. Works great
on mine, and Larry Williams has been using one for years with success.
Lightweight and easy to install and very accurate (I cked it)
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
Ditto for me--Jim Lagowski
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: electronic tach
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Ck out the electronic Westach in the aircraft Spruce catalog. Works great
> on mine, and Larry Williams has been using one for years with success.
> Lightweight and easy to install and very accurate (I cked it)
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west o
f you. Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack
Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASen
t: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William W
ynne Corvair conversion parts for sale=0A=0A =0AWow! An A65 with only 1505
Total Time? =0AThat=99s pretty incredible.=0A =0ASo having sold that
Chevrolet boat-anchor=0Ayou now have some funds available to purchase a fl
ying Pietenpol? =0ACongratulations, Ryan!=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0AR
aleigh, NC=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-piete
npol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matroni
cs.com ] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller=0ASent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010=0A12:16
PM=0ATo: Pietenpol List=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AWilliam Wynne Corv
air conversion parts for sale=0A =0AJust wanted to update: our Corvair pack
age has been sold to a good=0Ahome! Thank you to those that inquired.=0A
=0AIf you still need an engine for your project, do not despair! We still
=0Ahave our Continental A-65 available, with only 1505TT and 709SMOH and co
mplete=0Alogs. In the shipping crate, ready to head to your hangar or shop.
The first=0A$3,000 snaps it up! :)=0A =0AHave a good day,=0A =0ARyan=0AO
n Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
=0AHello all,=0A=0AWe have unfortunately decided to put our Corvair convers
ion parts up for sale.=0A<snip>=0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Naviga
tor?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com
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| Subject: | totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Worth last weekend
Looks to me like it was Photoshoped with Google Earth, much too smooth.
Jack
DSM
Jack Textor
29 SW 58th Drive
Des Moines, IA 50312
www.textors.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25
over Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend
This is one of the best 1:08 of video I have ever seen. A good friend
passed this along to me.
Check out the exhaust flames from that port engine.
http://vimeo.com/10482890
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Wo
Love the B-25... Grandpa's airplane... I sure miss him.
--------
Mark - working on wings
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| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Someone was on the list earlier today describing the intercom that worked so well
in his Piet. For some reason I cannot find that email. I need the name and
part number of this intercom.
Thanks,
Do not arch rive
Lynn Knoll
Wichita
Piet/Vair in the works
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| Subject: | Re: Unbelievable Homebuilt Workmanship |
Wow! Suer Duper! And how about that web site? Also well put together.
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| Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is workin
g great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake
by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bell
south.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8
:33:01 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion p
arts for sale=0A=0A =0ADoes that mean you are going to fly it to=0ABrodhead
this year, Gardiner? My low power but utterly reliable Continental has=0A
made the trip 3 times now.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ARaleigh, NC=0A
=0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-serv
er@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Be
half Of airlion=0ASent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04=0APM=0ATo: pietenpol-l
ist@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List:=0AWilliam Wynne Corvair co
nversion parts for sale=0A =0AWell Jack, at least my boat anchor will get m
e over those=0Ahigh hills west of you. Gardiner=0A =0A=0A__________________
______________=0A =0AFrom:Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: piet
enpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01=0APM=0ASubjec
t: RE: Pietenpol-List:=0AWilliam Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale=0A
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total=0ATime? That=99s pretty incredible
.=0A =0ASo having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor=0Ayou now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol? =0ACongratulations, Ryan!=0A =0A
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
Bryan,
Yes, please send or post a picture if it is not too much trouble. I would like
to see how you supported the seat as well.
Thanks
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Greg,
Sure. Here's two shots from westcoastpiet. We've cleaned up the
routing of the wires since the photo was taken, using sticky-backed
cable clamps from Office Depot or Staples.
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0126.JPG
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0127.JPG
HTH,
Jeff
>
>Can I get picture Jeff of the intercom and its placement? Thanks Greg, DE
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 7:30 AM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>>
>>
>>Douwe,
>>
>>Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
>>a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
>>needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
>>the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
>>mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>>--
>>---
>>
>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>>Emory University School of Medicine
>>Editor-in-Chief
>>Molecular Vision
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
John,
I used 12 ga. Galvanized and a former to help make the bends (also my home
made flanging pliers). Not as shiny as Mike C's, nor is it flight tested or
fire tested. The sides and top are bent forward, while the bottom is bent
back.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
Builders,
I will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am interested in builders
comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people use a flange as a
means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning on bending a flange,
and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reason at the bottom edge
where the cowl droops down a little below the firewall.
So,
1. Do people use the flange to attach the cowl along the rounded top edge?
2. Is the flange needed at the bottom edge, or do people roll the bottom
edge completely over, or maybe bend a short flange backward on a 45 degree
angle along the bottom, or omit the flange on the bottom?
3. What are good ways to attach the steel firewall sheet to the plywood
firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel sheet?
by the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.
Also, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make those
little waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shape.
thanks all,
john egan
greenville, wi
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| Subject: | Firewall Fabrication |
John,
I used 12 ga. Galvanized and a former to help make the bends (also my home
made flanging pliers). Not as shiny as Mike C's, nor is it flight tested or
fire tested. The sides and top are bent forward, while the bottom is bent
back.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
Builders,
I will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am interested in builders
comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people use a flange as a
means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning on bending a flange,
and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reason at the bottom edge
where the cowl droops down a little below the firewall.
So,
1. Do people use the flange to attach the cowl along the rounded top edge?
2. Is the flange needed at the bottom edge, or do people roll the bottom
edge completely over, or maybe bend a short flange backward on a 45 degree
angle along the bottom, or omit the flange on the bottom?
3. What are good ways to attach the steel firewall sheet to the plywood
firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel sheet?
by the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.
Also, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make those
little waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shape.
thanks all,
john egan
greenville, wi
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| Subject: | forming aluminum |
Skellytown,
I am so ignorant about shete medal work that I don't even know how to spell
it! But someone sent me the attached, "Bead Wire" and I was able to produce
two cooling ears right. My first one was with .025 and I had a great deal of
trouble making it bend, so I switched to .016 and the next two came out
great.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming aluminum
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
I'm trying to get this cowl formed a little better and a friend wants me to
try and put some roll around the edges were it is close to the scoops. it
will be along a curve which will cause it to have to stretch too. he says he
thinks I can anneal the aluminum enough to form it with a hammer on a block
of wood. I'm using .025" 2024T3 which is thin and pretty hard. what are the
chances I could get it soft enough to maybe work about a 45 degree bend
along a curved edge on it without cracking? Raymond
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| Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the
RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
it wasn't worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
learned a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in
college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I just
prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
I moved mine far enough forward for my legs. Don't trust the CAD plans.
Tom Bernie
N666TB
Gloucester Mass
On Mar 30, 2010, at 5:34 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>
> I have found some discrepancies in the GN-1 plans. Certainly not the first.
My question concerns the location of the rudder pedals for the rear seat. If
I put them where they show on the plans I think I will have my knees in my chin
and I am not a tall person. If I put them where i think they need to go they
will prevent the support under the front edge of the front seat from extending
to the longerons. I read some where on the forum of concern that if the front
seat is not supported laterally it could collapse sideways.
>
> The previous builder of my project planned to support the front seat on a set
of pedestal brackets front and back that give little lateral support. Have any
GN-1 builders encountered this. I am estimating that my rudder pedals front
and back will be 41" from the backrest of their respective seats.
>
> Jon Coxwell
> Remsen NY
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292403#292403
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Worth last weekend
Here's another excellent link to one of the events at the museum:
http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org/photos/CWRU_05/pages/IMG_6317.htm
:-)
-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 5:08 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/
Ft. Worth last weekend
>
>
>Very nice. The Pacific Prowler was flying in Fort Worth last weekend
>for the funeral and memorial service of "Doc" Hospers, owner and
>founder of the Vintage Flying Museum and the B-17 "Chuckie". The B-25
>is based at the museum and did a fly-by for his memorial. I
>volunteered there for several years and knew Doc, I kept my plane in
>the hangar with his B-17 for a while when I lived in DFW.
>
>http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org/
>
>Steve Ruse
>
>Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
><michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
>
>> This is one of the best 1:08 of video I have ever seen. A good
>> friend passed this along to me.
>>
>> Check out the exhaust flames from that port engine.
>>
>>
>> http://vimeo.com/10482890
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over Dallas/ |
Ft. Worth last weekend
WOW! What a great looking plane. :D Operator looks flakey...
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over
Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend
> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
> Here's another excellent link to one of the events at the museum:
>
> http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org/photos/CWRU_05/pages/IMG_6317.htm
>
> :-)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
>>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 5:08 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: totally off topic but outstanding-- B-25 over
>>Dallas/ Ft. Worth last weekend
>>
>><steve@wotelectronics.com>
>>
>>Very nice. The Pacific Prowler was flying in Fort Worth last weekend
>>for the funeral and memorial service of "Doc" Hospers, owner and
>>founder of the Vintage Flying Museum and the B-17 "Chuckie". The B-25
>>is based at the museum and did a fly-by for his memorial. I
>>volunteered there for several years and knew Doc, I kept my plane in
>>the hangar with his B-17 for a while when I lived in DFW.
>>
>>http://www.vintageflyingmuseum.org/
>>
>>Steve Ruse
>>
>>Quoting "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
>><michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>:
>>
>>> This is one of the best 1:08 of video I have ever seen. A good
>>> friend passed this along to me.
>>>
>>> Check out the exhaust flames from that port engine.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://vimeo.com/10482890
>>>
>>> Mike C.
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Thanks for the pictures of you intercom Jeff. Greg
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 9:17 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>
>
>Greg,
>
>Sure. Here's two shots from westcoastpiet. We've cleaned up the
>routing of the wires since the photo was taken, using sticky-backed
>cable clamps from Office Depot or Staples.
>
>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0126.JPG
>
>http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Wayne%20Bob%20and%20Jeff/IMG_0127.JPG
>
>
>HTH,
>
>Jeff
>
>>
>>Can I get picture Jeff of the intercom and its placement? Thanks Greg, DE
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
>>>Sent: Mar 21, 2010 7:30 AM
>>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: intercom
>>>
>>>
>>>Douwe,
>>>
>>>Our intercom is a FlightTech ITC-401TC. It's a portable that runs off
>>>a 9V battery. We replace the battery at every annual, whether it
>>>needs it or not. We've mounted in on the back of the front seat, to
>>>the right of the pilot's left-leg knee out. Works great with every
>>>mix of headsets that we've thrown at it.
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>---
>>>
>>>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>>>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>>>Emory University School of Medicine
>>>Editor-in-Chief
>>>Molecular Vision
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>---
>
>Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>Emory University School of Medicine
>Editor-in-Chief
>Molecular Vision
>
>
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