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1. 04:23 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:36 AM - Re: Firewall Fabrication (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: forming aluminum (Jim Ash)
4. 05:06 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jim Ash)
5. 06:11 AM - Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
6. 06:52 AM - Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too (Michael Perez)
7. 07:21 AM - Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too (TOM STINEMETZE)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too (TOM STINEMETZE)
9. 07:25 AM - Re: forming aluminum (David Paule)
10. 07:56 AM - New Corvair starter for sale (chase143(at)aol.com)
11. 08:14 AM - Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too (Ryan Mueller)
12. 08:31 AM - used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
13. 08:32 AM - Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too (TOM STINEMETZE)
14. 08:33 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jeff Boatright)
15. 09:43 AM - Sun-N-Fun (Ben Charvet)
16. 09:43 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Ryan Mueller)
17. 09:44 AM - Re: electronic tach (shad bell)
18. 09:45 AM - B-25 gathering in april (shad bell)
19. 09:55 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Barry Davis)
20. 10:14 AM - Re: electronic tach (jeff wilson)
21. 10:14 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Rick Holland)
22. 10:14 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (airlion)
23. 10:15 AM - Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. (taildrags)
24. 10:21 AM - Re: forming aluminum (taildrags)
25. 10:33 AM - Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. (Rick Holland)
26. 10:34 AM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jeff Boatright)
27. 10:34 AM - metal fatigue minimized by using 0000 dead soft aluminum (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
28. 10:35 AM - Re: Intercom (Dan Yocum)
29. 10:58 AM - Re: Insurance question (coxwelljon)
30. 11:07 AM - Re: GN-1 question (coxwelljon)
31. 11:15 AM - Re: GN-1 question (coxwelljon)
32. 11:23 AM - Re: New Corvair starter for sale (Dog67@aol.com)
33. 11:34 AM - Re: forming aluminum (Gary Boothe)
34. 12:33 PM - Re: New Corvair starter for sale (chase143(at)aol.com)
35. 12:56 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Barry Davis)
36. 01:04 PM - Re: Insurance question (coxwelljon)
37. 01:10 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jeff Boatright)
38. 01:12 PM - Re: metal fatigue minimized by using 0000 dead soft aluminum (skellytown flyer)
39. 01:52 PM - just famous- not rich (Oscar Zuniga)
40. 01:54 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Rick Holland)
41. 02:46 PM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Jack Phillips)
42. 02:50 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Jack Phillips)
43. 02:57 PM - Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. (skellytown flyer)
44. 03:02 PM - A-65 power (skellytown flyer)
45. 03:55 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (David Paule)
46. 04:53 PM - Corvair vs. Continental - long (Gary Boothe)
47. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: Insurance question (Ben Charvet)
48. 05:56 PM - Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long (walt)
49. 06:22 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Rick Holland)
50. 06:25 PM - Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. (taildrags)
51. 06:27 PM - Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long (gboothe5@comcast.net)
52. 06:31 PM - Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale (Rick Holland)
53. 06:54 PM - Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long (taildrags)
54. 07:06 PM - Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long (Jeff Boatright)
55. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Insurance question (Perry Rhoads)
56. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Insurance question (Perry Rhoads)
57. 07:51 PM - Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long (Clif Dawson)
58. 11:48 PM - Supersonic Piet? (Coen van Wyk)
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
All the engine choices AFTER the model A were compromises for Bernie.er,..
sorry..Bernard (Bernerd). :o)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:26 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for
sale for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental
A-65, and is nearly half what I=99ve got in the Lycoming O-540 that
I=99ll put in the RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we
bought it new in 1966, so it wasn=99t worn out when we got it, alth
ough it was 3 years later) and learned a great deal about the =9Crel
iability=99 of both the engine and the car. I remember that the Cor
vair was used in one of my machine design classes in college as an example
of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as =9CExperimental=9D, so go
for it. I just prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for
cars. The design requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is worki
ng great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistak
e by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner?
My low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times
now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-l
ist-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west
of you. Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sa
le
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That=99s pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds availabl
e to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
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Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
I don't understand why everybody is flanging the firewall. The fabric only
needs 1" of glue surface and does not need to wrap around at all. I glued
a 1" wide piece of spruce vertically on the front of the fuse frame. This
is what the fabric is glued to. The front cowl then overlaps this piece,
and serves as security for the cowl hold-on screws.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 30, 2010 8:13 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
John,
I used 12 ga. Galvanized and a former to help make the bends (also my home
made flanging pliers). Not as shiny as Mike C=99s, nor is it flight
tested or fire tested. The sides and top are bent forward, while the bott
om is bent back.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Firewall Fabrication
Builders,
I will beginning my steel sheet firewall soon, and am interested in builde
rs comments on firewall construction, specifically, if people use a flange
as a means of attaching the cowling. I have been planning on bending a fl
ange, and I also wonder if the flange is needed for any reason at the bott
om edge where the cowl droops down a little below the firewall.
So,
1. Do people use the flange to attach the cowl along the rounded top edg
e?
2. Is the flange needed at the bottom edge, or do people roll the bottom
edge completely over, or maybe bend a short flange backward on a 45 degre
e angle along the bottom, or omit the flange on the bottom?
3. What are good ways to attach the steel firewall sheet to the plywood
firewall, and is fiberfrax recommended behind the steel sheet?
by the way, Tony Bingiles recomends using .018" sheet.
Also, I welded up a flanging tool out of a pair of vise grips to make thos
e little waves that are needed when you bend a flange around a curved shap
e.
thanks all,
john egan
greenville, wi
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Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Gents -
We'll be demonstrating this stuff again at Sun 'n Fun in the metal forming workshop
in a couple weeks. Sometimes people bring their current part to work on,
and we welcome them (although we obviously can't fit a custom part to a plane
that's in North Carolina; we get asked to do just that at least a couple times
during the week every year). We usually get a nice collection of tools lent to
us by assorted vendors. Amongst these has been a power bead roller with a number
of different die sets, including some that will form a wire-rolled edge.
One of our guys made himself a new set of eyebrows for his J-5 there a few years
back. If you're going to be there, bring the part. Even if you're not, we've
got material to play with and we can work with you to show you how to fabricate
your part when you get home.
That being said:
I've never annealed 2024. I HAVE annealed loads of 3003 with a torch, and it's
something I demonstrate at SNF. I suppose we could try annealing 2024 and see
what happens, but I'd rather spare the pain and suffering and talk to somebody
who knows more sheet metal metallurgy than I do before wasting the time, if it's
truly a waste.
There is a formula used to calculate the minimum bending radius of a piece of sheet
metal. Any radius smaller than that, and you're risking it cracking, as you
found out. I've got it in my sheet metal books (low tech) but it can be found
online with a simple search.
When you're working metal like this, be careful about making abrupt marks on the
metal surface (chisel marks, course sandpaper scratches, tooling marks). These
can create stress risers and promote a failure starting in that area. Smooth
marks (hammer blows) are ok. I bought a bead-roller from Harbor-Fright, but
the dies still have machining marks on them. I'm not using them until I can polish
them out, specifically for this reason. Ditto with the anvils on their English
Wheel. You get what you pay for.
Putting tape like you did over plier jaws, rivet sets, and other assorted tools
that could make a mess is a good technique and is widely used. I usually use
masking tape. Rubber tool-handle dip also works well and probably holds up better,
but it's messy and takes time to dry. With my patience apparently being similar
to others here, I usually just opt for the tape.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Mar 30, 2010 7:11 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: forming aluminum
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>
>Well so much for patience- I couldn't stand to try it without annealing. so I
annealed it some and started rolling the edge with pliers and tape over the jaws.
it was coming along fairly good. but I decided to trim some and re-anneal
and roll some more. that wasn't a good move.when I hit it with the torch again
I got an instant crack about 1" long in the curve. guess there was enough stress
that the weakening from the heat let er rip.Oh well-I have a pattern and enough
metal to cut another one. maybe better luck tomorrow.this is tedious work
and I am not a patient person. Raymond
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Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Jack -
The last time I pointed the same thing out in this forum a couple years back, I
got blasted. Tread lightly.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips
Sent: Mar 30, 2010 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it was
far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the email that
started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale for $6,000,
which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65, and is nearly
half what Ive got in the Lycoming O-540 that Ill put in the RV-10). I owned
a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so it wasnt worn out when
we got it, although it was 3 years later) and learned a great deal about the
reliability of both the engine and the car. I remember that the Corvair was
used in one of my machine design classes in college as an example of how NOT
to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as Experimental, so go for it. I just prefer
aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design requirements
are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working great
so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by using
the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My low
power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of you.
Gardiner
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? Thats pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available to
purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: | Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
I may be incorrect on this but I swear that one of Bernard's experiments wa
s to use a V-8 engine on one of his planes but that didn't
make it any more right or wrong than using a Lambert, Continental, Corvair,
or Subaru.
I'm with Jack on reliability though of a Continental. It is all a perso
nal choice but you takes yer chances.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
I don't think anyone currently flying with a Lambert radial engine should b
e. They should sell said Lambert ASAP. To help them out, because that is th
e type of guy I am, I would buy it from them like right now!
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--- On Wed, 3/31/10, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
<michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy
@nasa.gov>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too
I may be incorrect on this but I swear that one of Bernard=99s experi
ments was to use a V-8 engine on one of his planes but that didn=99t
make it any more right or wrong than using a Lambert, Continental, Corvair,
or Subaru.
=C2-
I=99m with Jack on reliability though of a Continental.=C2-=C2-
=C2-=C2- It is all a personal choice but you takes yer chances.
=C2-
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Subject: | Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
I suspect that engine reliability is a product of several variables,
only one of which is the original design of the engine. How well is it
maintained? How hard is it run? How frequently is it run? Was it
assembled correctly? Were the right parts used / replaced? Is it
properly set up for the task? Is the pre-flight thorough enough to
catch a problem early?
Granted a Lycoming or Continental was constructed specifically to be
used on aircraft while an automobile engine was designed to be in an
entirely different environment (multiple and frequent speed changes,
dirtier air, LOTS of vibration, and on and on) but these things can be
and are correctable. William Wynne has amassed a vast amount of data on
the Corvair engine over the years and that has been incorporated into
current engine technology to great effect. Besides, some of the older
technology engines without all these refinements have gone over 1,000
hours trouble free. Newer ones have obviously snapped a couple of
cranks for one reason or another but so have the aircraft engines if
improperly used.
Sure you have to assemble a Corvair yourself, or pay someone to do it
for you, but let's remember that many of you folks are doing the same
thing with your aircraft grade engines. If you don't do it right it is
still going to bite you where it hurts. And YES, it probably will cost
more to convert a Corvair with all the newest parts. (But what a
gorgeous engine you have when it's all done.)
My decision to go with a Corvair over the other choices was based,
primarily, on available power. I have flown RC models for many years
and have personally experienced the woes of trying to fly an
underpowered aircraft. I don't want that feeling when my own "patutie"
is in the plane. I plan to fly, at least once, from McPherson, KS to
Mojave, CA and back which will require a certain amount of mountain
flying. I don't particularly want to taxi all the way across the divide
although that would certainly be a new type of experimental aviation.
Also, did I happen to mention that I am not exactly a light weight? I
also plan to carry a lot of passengers if I can find anyone with enough
guts to fly with me. I will appreciate the extra margin of safety with
regard to climb speed.
Sorry! I'm now off the soapbox. This is me blushing.
Tom Stinemetze
Proud new owner of Ryan Mueller's Corvair project.
N328X
>>Im with Jack on reliability though of a Continental. It is all a
personal choice but you takes yer chances.
>>Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
P.S. to Ryan
"The Check is in The Mail." <wink wink>
Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
Gary,
Very nice bead work!
You'll probably want to beef up the corner shown in the top picture where
the mounting screw is, because it'll most likely crack from the relief
radius to the mounting hole.
David Paule
> I am so ignorant about shete medal work that I don't even know how to
> spell
> it! But someone sent me the attached, "Bead Wire" and I was able to
> produce
> two cooling ears right. My first one was with .025 and I had a great deal
> of
> trouble making it bend, so I switched to .016 and the next two came out
> great.
>
> Gary Boothe
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Subject: | New Corvair starter for sale |
I have a brand new WW starter (just arrived), I have not even taken it out of the
box. I think they go for $210 now and $25 shipping. Would like to get $200
and I'll pay to ship. Please let me know if interested, thanks.
Steve
chase143@aol.com
And....no, I am not trying the fuel the Corvair/A65 debate! hahaha LOL :-)
--------
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Subject: | Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
Ryan wonders to himself....does the <wink wink> just mean the check is in
the mail, or do I need to keep an eye out for the postman dropping off a
flaming bag of poo? ;)
Thanks for the heads up Tom!
Ryan
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Subject: | used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
It weighs nothing and costs nothing and it hasn't broken yet. I hear the Model
A uses the same kind of starter.
Seriously, for us full-figured girls having more power would be GREAT. I've often
fantasized about having an 0-200 someday.
I can easily see why the power of the Corvair is SO popular plus lots of guys don't
feel like hand propping and some need the electrical system to support radios and
transponders to get in and out of controlled or under controlled airspace environments.
I can especially see guys like Tom S. in Texas and Gary B. in CA having to fly
in hot
weather conditions.
I can especially see Rick Holland needing the power at his high elevations in Colorado
with that thin air. As much as I rag on the auto engines I can certainly see
why it is
a good option for lots of you guys.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Bernard used an aluminum block V-8 engine too |
Well, considering that I don't actually have the Corvair yet either, the
<wink wink> probably just means that I have a poor sense of humor.
However, the "check is in the mail" part is factual and I think there is
even money in the account to cover it. (come on tax refund)
Tom
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>>> Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> 3/31/2010 10:13 AM >>>
Ryan wonders to himself....does the <wink wink> just mean the check is in
the mail, or do I need to keep an eye out for the postman dropping off a
flaming bag of poo? ;)
Thanks for the heads up Tom!
Ryan
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On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:24 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
P.S. to Ryan
"The Check is in The Mail." <wink wink>
Stinemetze
N328X
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Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Initial cost has crept up (though there is no need to buy every Wynne
gold-level part), but maintenance/overhaul costs are still pretty
distinct.
>I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that
>Corvair, it was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no
>longer the case (the email that started this thread was about a
>Corvair PROJECT that was for sale for $6,000, which is four times as
>much as I paid for my Continental A-65, and is nearly half what I've
>got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the RV-10). I owned a
>Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so it wasn't
>worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and learned
>a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
>I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
>classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive
>system.
>
>But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I
>just prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars.
>The design requirements are totally different.
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my
Piet to Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrot
e:
> I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair,
> it was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (
the
> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for s
ale
> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65
,
> and is nearly half what I=92ve got in the Lycoming O-540 that I=92ll put
in the
> RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, s
o
> it wasn=92t worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
> learned a great deal about the =93reliability=92 of both the engine and t
he
> car. I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system
.
>
>
> But these airplanes are licensed as =93Experimental=94, so go for it. I
just
> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The desi
gn
> requirements are totally different.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *airlion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
>
> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is
> working great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a
> mistake by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner?
My
> low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] *On Behalf Of *airlion
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
>
> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west
> of you. Gardiner
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
> sale
>
> Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That=92s pretty incredible.
>
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds availab
le
> to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
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Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
The westach is the tach on NX92GB. The one we use has the tach generator. The
only problem I have seen with it is it is inacurate, when compared to a timing
light/ tach (snap on brand). The higher the rpm's the more inacurate it is.
We indicate 3100rpm static, which the timing light reads about 2750-2800 rpm.
the westach is consistant just not accurate, in our case anyhow. I don't know
if others have this problem or not. We replaced the tah generator once, and
it seemed a little more accurate for the 1st few hrs, but then read higher
rpm's as time went by. I am not sure if there are any adjustments on the tach
gauge or not. On another note, I am missing out on the best flying weather in
the past 4-5 months, due to a bad back, I look like a question mark. ??? I need
to get healed up and back to work, and get started on some fly-in planning for
our little Ohio Piet fly-in here in June.
Shad
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Subject: | B-25 gathering in april |
To any of you around Ohio, dayton area, there is supposed to be a big staging of
20+ B-25's at urbana grimes airport on april 16-17. They are gathering for
the Doolittle Radiers reunion in Dayton. They are scheduled to meet at Urbana,
and fly out to dayton in a mass formation on the morning of Sat April 17. I
am not sure what time exactly, but I have heard that this will be the biggest
gathering of B-25's in 50 or so years. Hope to see some of you there if you
can make it.
Shad
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Looks like 2 of the Big Piets will be there, Harold and Bruce. Frank and I
are not going to have the hours flown off. Bummer!
Barry Davis
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
--> <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my
Piet to Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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Subject: | Re: electronic tach |
Thanks everyone,
-
I've decided to go with a real cable driven Tach for the sake of the look.
I want it to be antique looking all over. Even my A-65 comes from the late
'40's. Using wire wheels too.
Jeff Wilson
GN-1
St. Louis, MO
chapt 64
--- On Wed, 3/31/10, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: electronic tach
The westach is the tach on NX92GB.- The one we use has the tach generator
.- The only problem I have seen with it is it is inacurate, when compared
to a timing light/ tach (snap on brand).- The higher the rpm's the more
inacurate it is.- We indicate 3100rpm static, which the timing light read
s about 2750-2800 rpm.- the westach is consistant just not accurate, in o
ur case anyhow.- I don't know if others have this problem or not.- We r
eplaced the tah generator once, and it seemed a little more accurate for th
e 1st few hrs, but then read higher rpm's as time went by. I am not sure if
there are any adjustments on the tach gauge or not. On another note, I am
missing out on the best flying weather in the past 4-5 months, due to a bad
back, I look like a question mark. ??? I need to get healed up and back to
work, and get started on some fly-in planning for our little Ohio Piet fly
-in here in June.-
Shad
- - -
le, List Admin.
=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
> needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked
,
> overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
> acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... - ;)
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think Bernard liked to experiment.- At the time he used that Corvair
, it
>> was far cheaper than an aircraft engine.- That is no longer the case (
the
>> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for
sale
>> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-6
5,
>> and is nearly half what I=92ve got in the Lycoming O-540 that I=92ll put
in the
>> RV-10).- I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966
, so
>> it wasn=92t worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
>> learned a great deal about the =93reliability=92 of both the engine and
the
>> car.- I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
>> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive syste
m.
>>
>>
>>
>> But these airplanes are licensed as =93Experimental=94, so go for it.-
I just
>> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars.- The d
esign
>> requirements are totally different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>>
>>
>> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is
>> working great so far.- By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made
a
>> mistake by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner?
>> My low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times
now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>>
>>
>> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills wes
t
>> of you. Gardiner
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for
>> sale
>>
>> Wow!- An A65 with only 1505 Total Time?- That=92s pretty incredible.
>>
>>
>>
>> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
>> available to purchase a flying Pietenpol?- Congratulations, Ryan!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>>
>> NX899JP
>>
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>>
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Ben, I am flying my time off too with 13 hours on the clock. I will be working
in th woodshop carving a prop. Stop by and say hello. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 12:01:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my Piet to
Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
Mikee-
In some jurisdictions, what you posted about being "for sale" would be considered
as "solicitation" and you would be arrested by the vice squad ;o)
I remember when I first got 41CC and there were some issues with the ignition harnesses.
I was at work, Charlie was at the hangar attempting to start the engine
and called me on the phone with the news that "the airplane needs a new starter".
For a minute all I saw were dollar signs until the joke clicked in my
head. Ever since I replaced the lower harness and all the plugs on the 65,
it has started quite readily except when it's hot and I flood the thing. I like
to hand-prop and I like the simplicity of no electrics. To me, it enhances
the open cockpit experience.
The 75 that is now on the airplane is even easier to start, what with dual impulse
mags.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: forming aluminum |
I'll second what David suggests... beefing that area up. It's not a reflection
on how smooth the engine might run (Corvairs being quite smooth), it's that the
eyebrow leading edges are just inches aft of that prop, which delivers pulsed
air past the eyebrows continuously. I've repaired several cracked pieces on
41CC's cooling eyebrows due to the propwash pulsations. Metal fatigue, plain
and simple.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
Yes, the voice of reason. 7000 ft. runway elevation, 95 degrees F,
density altitude 10,900. At that altitude the C-65 will be putting out
around 43 HP. The Corvair or O-200 around 67 HP.
Unfortunately the price of used O-200 has increased as the economy has
gone to hell. The guy at Wentworth said the demand for these has
increased because people are downsizing there expectations from that
RV-7/8/9 with the O-360 (or similar, after they realized it was going
to cost $70k +) to an LSA kit (or even better a Pietenpol).
And Jack, we don't use that stinkin dual 90 degree cooling fan/belt on
WW Corvair conversions.
rick
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>
> It weighs nothing and costs nothing and it hasn't broken yet. I hear the Model
> A uses the same kind of starter.
>
> Seriously, for us full-figured girls having more power would be GREAT. I've
often
> fantasized about having an 0-200 someday.
>
> I can easily see why the power of the Corvair is SO popular plus lots of guys
don't
> feel like hand propping and some need the electrical system to support radios
and
> transponders to get in and out of controlled or under controlled airspace environments.
> I can especially see guys like Tom S. in Texas and Gary B. in CA having to fly
in hot
> weather conditions.
>
> I can especially see Rick Holland needing the power at his high elevations in
Colorado
> with that thin air. As much as I rag on the auto engines I can certainly see
why it is
> a good option for lots of you guys.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky
designed and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really
impressive, especially when compared to just about anything else
flying at the time. Good thing he jumped ship to our side.
>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | metal fatigue minimized by using 0000 dead soft aluminum |
I have had very minimal cracking issues with my hand-made Cub style cooling eyebrows/baffles
since I used 0000 or dead soft .025" aluminum to make them. The dead soft resists
metal
fatigue very nicely and makes forming that reinforcement wire into the leading
edge an easy
event.
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Lynn,
I bought a FLIGHTECH ITC-401/1-ENRI from ACS. P.F. Beck also lauds this
intercom in the most recent BPA newsletter.
Coupled with mic muffs, it works quite well in N8031.
Dan
On 03/30/2010 07:30 PM, dknoll@cox.net wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:<dknoll@cox.net>
>
> Someone was on the list earlier today describing the intercom that worked so
well in his Piet. For some reason I cannot find that email. I need the name and
part number of this intercom.
> Thanks,
>
> Do not arch rive
>
> Lynn Knoll
> Wichita
> Piet/Vair in the works
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
dan.loegering(at)odayequi wrote:
> Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have done in
the past, or are currently doing.
>
> I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters insurance
policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in storage for
another week) I was reading through the policy, and came across the statement
that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered." Huh?
>
> Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did some research
and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their policies.
>
> So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide coverage for
your projects while they were in the project stage? I am simply looking to
cover my costs of materials in the event of theft, fire, etc... Is this something
that I should not worry about (I am normally a trusting individual, but the
new house is close to a high school and the garage is located in the alley -
apparently there have been issues in the past with some of the garages being
used as gathering places by the students) One neighbor suggested blocking the
windows and getting a bigger lock... I may not go to that extreme (it isn't
THAT bad of a neighborhood...) but I will definitely be putting in a new lock.
>
> It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more sawdust and
grind some metal!
>
> Dan Loegering
> Fargo, ND
Dan,
I would check into a special policy. Your greatest risk may not be from vandalism.
I had a good friend who lived in a great timber frame house, attached workshop,
and totally off the grid. He was building an Rans from a kit. They
called for forming the tank by filling it full of fuel and letting sit and take
shape. The tank was closed yet fumes leaked across the floor to a heater on
the other side of the shop. The whole thing went up including the house and
was a total loss. Fortunately there was no loss of human life. Insurance paid
nothing on the airplane and would not even cover a PV array because it was
next to the house and not attached exept by wiring. Rans gave him a good deal
on a new kit but the fire took several years out of his life while he rebuilt
his house. He is now starting again on the Rans. It has made me think both
about insurance and what I do in the shop.
Jon Coxwell
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Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
luther b green wrote:
> Mine are approx. 40" from the backrest and attached to the front seat cross
> member. I can send you a picture if you want.
> Bryan Green
> Elgin SC
> ---
Bryan,
I tried to respond to your email but it comes back with address unknown. I would
like to see some pictures and since you are re-building I would like to know
what issues you are running into. Mine has never flown but I an doing plenty
of re-building of someone else's work. I almost think starting from scratch
is easier. I think mine is sound, but the original builders (2 or 3) were not
as particular as I would like.
Jon Coxwell
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Subject: | Re: GN-1 question |
Tom Bernie wrote:
> I moved mine far enough forward for my legs. Don't trust the CAD plans.
> Tom Bernie
> N666TB
> Gloucester Mass
>
> Tom, I am working from the hand drawn plans but there are lots of mistakes there
as well. I purchased a set of original Piet plans as a reference which I
encourage anyone building a GN-1 to do.
>
> BTW I found a link to your project photo documentation and read through your
past posting on the forum. Looking at your photos was really helpful and your
posting indicated that we are addressing some issues in similar ways.
>
> Jon Coxwell
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Subject: | Re: New Corvair starter for sale |
Steve - is it a front mounted starter? If so - count me in for it.
Cheers
jon
In a message dated 3/31/2010 8:56:29 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
chase143@aol.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "chase143(at)aol.com"
<chase143@aol.com>
I have a brand new WW starter (just arrived), I have not even taken it out
of the box. I think they go for $210 now and $25 shipping. Would like to
get $200 and I'll pay to ship. Please let me know if interested, thanks.
Steve
chase143@aol.com
And....no, I am not trying the fuel the Corvair/A65 debate! hahaha LOL :-)
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Subject: | forming aluminum |
Thanks, David! That picture was taken while testing for fit, and adding some
other stuff on the back. Since then I have added more support.
In retrospect, using dead soft, as Mike C advises, would be a good
idea.....lots of time to do that when needed.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: forming aluminum
Gary,
Very nice bead work!
You'll probably want to beef up the corner shown in the top picture where
the mounting screw is, because it'll most likely crack from the relief
radius to the mounting hole.
David Paule
> I am so ignorant about shete medal work that I don't even know how to
> spell
> it! But someone sent me the attached, "Bead Wire" and I was able to
> produce
> two cooling ears right. My first one was with .025 and I had a great deal
> of
> trouble making it bend, so I switched to .016 and the next two came out
> great.
>
> Gary Boothe
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Subject: | Re: New Corvair starter for sale |
Jon,
Yes, I believe it is. I will double check tonight, and save it for you if you want
it. I'll drop me a note off-line.
Thanks,
Steve
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Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
What Bad Boy? Did you attach a pic of something?
BED
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky designed
and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really impressive, especially
when compared to just about anything else flying at the time. Good thing he
jumped ship to our side.
>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
Dan,
Your question prompted me to do a little more research with my State Farm Agent
and in fact I found that I do not have insurance that covers my GN-1 while I
am building it. Nor can I get it through State Farm.
I then went to the EAA website and ended up making a call to their insurance program.
Not a lot of help there either for those of us that are building from
plans. I did find out that the the minimum hull insurance while building is going
to be around $500 per year plus or minus. That kind of coverage will go
up to $40,000 and is the minimum. (That would be a real nice Piet or GN-1).
I asked the question about liability insurance and that is where things get sticky
for tail draggers. They not only want tailwheel time which is understandable,
but want some time in the same model. I have 100 hours of tail wheel and
1700 hours total, but none in a GN-1 or a Piet. The EAA insurance agent told
me I should be thinking about getting some more tail wheel time and try real
hard to get GN-1 time before my airplane is ready to fly. This is just a heads
up. Thanks Dan for raising this question.
Jon Coxwell
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Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Previous post from ?? had some pix.
>
>What Bad Boy? Did you attach a pic of something?
>BED
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:34 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
>Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky designed
>and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really impressive, especially
>when compared to just about anything else flying at the time. Good thing he
>jumped ship to our side.
>
>
>>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
>
>
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
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Subject: | Re: metal fatigue minimized by using 0000 dead soft aluminum |
Thanks Michael. I am going to cut another piece and I am trying to decide whether
to use the same .025- 2024T3 or switch to some soft aluminum I have on hand
that is about .035. I have no intention of making a special order for more.and
I don't think the thickness difference will amount to much more than a half
pound. I'm only talking bout around 2 1/2 sq. ft. here if I use the thin I think
I'll forget the rolled up edge and just cut a little more clearance and use
some rubber edge trim over it.I need to get off high center and keep this project
moving along while I have the time at home.and I don't need a complete roll
around wire-just an up turned lip would help stiffen the area and give extra
clearance if the engine shifts enough.Raymond
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Subject: | just famous- not rich |
Well, yippee-! A friend here at work passed along
his copy of the April/May 2010 "Air & Space
Smithsonian" magazine and I'm quoted in the magazine.
Harrumph... okay, so my quote is just a tiny part of
a really nifty article called "The Pride of Cherry Grove",
all about Piets. Really nice story and pix, all
the usual suspects. Good job!
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Yea, check this out Barry.
rick
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> What Bad Boy? Did you attach a pic of something?
> BED
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:34 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for s
ale
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>
> Actually, when you go back and look at some of the stuff Sikorsky designe
d
> and built (at age 29!) in pre-WWI Russia, it's really impressive, especia
lly
> when compared to just about anything else flying at the time. Good thing
he
> jumped ship to our side.
>
>
>>The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Boatright
> "Now let's think about this..."
>
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I'm planning to fly mine down. I won't be able to get there until Friday
morning, though.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
I've been faithfully flying off my Phase 1 time in hopes of bringing my
Piet to Sun-N-Fun. Anybody else planning to bring theirs?
Ben Charvet
16.6 hrs done
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Subject: | William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
what started this thread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the
RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
it wasn't worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
learned a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in
college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I just
prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
Did I not read once that an O-200 crank would fit some of the older Continentals?
if so maybe you could find one that is too undersized to make the yellow tag
specs but still cleaned up OK. I think it is common for airboat engines so they
should be out there.maybe you just need a little more stroke? not wanting
to get personal here. Raymond
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as usual I probably popped off about something I know nothing about. but this fellow
seems to cover a lot of things on engine mods.sounds like the old A-65 is
kinda light in places but he gives some tips.
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#mod_a65
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Great fakes!
Nice staging, too.
Who did them?
David Paule
> The USSR built this bad boy with 16 Corvair engines.
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Subject: | Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Jack (et al),
Here is my debate:
You, and others, have said things that have caused me to pause and consider
my decisions, and sometimes change my path. As always, you are the epitome
of common sense and good judgment..or are you? I know that you know spam can
drivers that look at you in your little home-made airplane (exquisite as it
is, even with its "reliable" engine) and say, if not to you at least to
themselves, "I would/could never do that." "You're going to fly it where? To
Brodhead?" Or, how about the guys who say flying a taildragger is too
dangerous! And all of those spam can drivers know ground pounders who say,
"You're a pilot? You fly a Cessna/Piper/Beech? Isn't that scary? I could
never do that!"
The great mathematician, Augusta De Morgan, said:
"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."
So, everyone has their limits. When we make the decision to build an
experimental airplane, we set ourselves on a less traveled path.but that's
just the beginning.
Consider the individual who decides:
To build an airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane designed in 1929,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, and fir spars,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, and wooden struts,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, and a non-A/C engine,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine, with a
home-made prop,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar instead of
A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine, a home-made
prop, painted with house paint instead of dope,
"ad infinitum.."
At which point would most builders stop.at which point would you stop? My
ex-father-in-law, insurance agent, thought I was nuts to start flying in the
first place (age 17)!
Am I nuts? Maybe. Nuts about flying.
Am I suicidal? Definitely not!
I fully respect your opinion about A/C engines if for no other reason than
you are vastly more experienced than I. But this project has been a series
of path choices for me, and, for some reason, I keep choosing the
less-traveled path.
In the end, I expect that I will have many, many taxi hours and ground runs
of my "crank-breaking" Corvair, not that that will expose any/all problems,
but the actual take-off should be a non-event. For me, the choice of using a
Corvair was a merely a result of choosing a less-traveled path.having more
hp, a smoother less expensive engine, were just fortunate by-products.
Meeting William Wynne was a God-send!
If you know a risk management expert, please give him my contact info! ..or,
are we ALL beyond risk management?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
what started this thread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming O-540 that I'll put in the
RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
it wasn't worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
learned a great deal about the "reliability' of both the engine and the car.
I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in
college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I just
prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
_____
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
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Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
I ran into the same problem with the EAA insurance. If you have recent
tailwheel time in a similar aircraft and go through the EAA Flight
advisor program you can probably get them to insure your first flight.
They did for me. Their original quote wanted 5 or 10 hours in type.
One other question to be asking.. will you insure a Corvair powered
Piet/GN-1? Four years ago neither Avemco nor the EAA would. Thats one
of the reasons I ended up with a Continental.
Ben Charvet
On 3/31/2010 4:04 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "coxwelljon"<coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
>
> I asked the question about liability insurance and that is where things get sticky
for tail draggers. They not only want tailwheel time which is understandable,
but want some time in the same model. I have 100 hours of tail wheel and
1700 hours total, but none in a GN-1 or a Piet. The EAA insurance agent told
me I should be thinking about getting some more tail wheel time and try real
hard to get GN-1 time before my airplane is ready to fly. This is just a heads
up. Thanks Dan for raising this question.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
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Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
I kind of lost the point,,,what is your point?
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: Gary Boothe
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair vs. Continental - long
Jack (et al),
Here is my debate:
You, and others, have said things that have caused me to pause and
consider my decisions, and sometimes change my path. As always, you are
the epitome of common sense and good judgment..or are you? I know that
you know spam can drivers that look at you in your little home-made
airplane (exquisite as it is, even with its "reliable" engine) and say,
if not to you at least to themselves, "I would/could never do that."
"You're going to fly it where? To Brodhead?" Or, how about the guys who
say flying a taildragger is too dangerous! And all of those spam can
drivers know ground pounders who say, "You're a pilot? You fly a
Cessna/Piper/Beech? Isn't that scary? I could never do that!"
The great mathematician, Augusta De Morgan, said:
"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."
So, everyone has their limits. When we make the decision to build an
experimental airplane, we set ourselves on a less traveled path.but
that's just the beginning.
Consider the individual who decides:
To build an airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane,
To build a wood & fabric airplane designed in 1929,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, and fir spars,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, and wooden struts,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, and a non-A/C
engine,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine,
with a home-made prop,
To build a wood & fabric airplane, designed in 1929, with Poplar
instead of A/C Spruce, with fir spars, wooden struts, a non-A/C engine,
a home-made prop, painted with house paint instead of dope,
"ad infinitum.."
At which point would most builders stop.at which point would you stop?
My ex-father-in-law, insurance agent, thought I was nuts to start flying
in the first place (age 17)!
Am I nuts? Maybe. Nuts about flying.
Am I suicidal? Definitely not!
I fully respect your opinion about A/C engines if for no other reason
than you are vastly more experienced than I. But this project has been a
series of path choices for me, and, for some reason, I keep choosing the
less-traveled path.
In the end, I expect that I will have many, many taxi hours and ground
runs of my "crank-breaking" Corvair, not that that will expose any/all
problems, but the actual take-off should be a non-event. For me, the
choice of using a Corvair was a merely a result of choosing a
less-traveled path.having more hp, a smoother less expensive engine,
were just fortunate by-products. Meeting William Wynne was a God-send!
If you know a risk management expert, please give him my contact info!
..or, are we ALL beyond risk management?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:49 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and
connecting rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new
camshaft, and new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the
supervision of an A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like
reliability, which is what started this thread.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan
Mueller
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts
reworked, overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after
the cost of acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
Ryan
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that
Corvair, it was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer
the case (the email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT
that was for sale for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for
my Continental A-65, and is nearly half what I've got in the Lycoming
O-540 that I'll put in the RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years
(we bought it new in 1966, so it wasn't worn out when we got it,
although it was 3 years later) and learned a great deal about the
"reliability' of both the engine and the car. I remember that the
Corvair was used in one of my machine design classes in college as an
example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
But these airplanes are licensed as "Experimental", so go for it. I
just prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars.
The design requirements are totally different.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is
working great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a
mistake by using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year,
Gardiner? My low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the
trip 3 times now.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills
west of you. Gardiner
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts
for sale
Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? That's pretty incredible.
So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds
available to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
How much to do the same with an O-200? (To compare apples to apples)
rick
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
> Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
> crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
> rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
> new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
> A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
> what started this thread.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
> needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
> overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
> acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
> was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
> and is nearly half what Ive got in the Lycoming O-540 that Ill put in the
> RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
> it wasnt worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
> learned a great deal about the reliability of both the engine and the
> car. I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
>
>
> But these airplanes are licensed as Experimental, so go for it. I just
> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
> requirements are totally different.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
> great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
> using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
> low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
> you. Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? Thats pretty incredible.
>
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
> to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
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Subject: | Re: used, good condition A-65 starter for sale. |
Raymond: that's the C-series Continentals, not the A-series. The C-series have
a longer stroke and different cases, thus the ability to fit a starter and other
accessories to them as compared with the A-series, which are rare as hen's
teeth with anything in the way of accessory drives from the factory. The -8
configuration is most common in "our" small Continentals on these airplanes, whereas
the later C-series have many more common configurations with starters,
generators, vacuum pumps, and other stuff.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
The point being - everyone has their own level of accep
tance of what is "reliable."
I wish to re-iterate that Jack, Mike C, William Wynne a
nd others have helped me to balance my frugal approach
to building with an overall view of practicality and safe
ty.
Gary
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Subject: | Re: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale |
Here is an O-200 ready to fly on the Cessna newsgroup for $16000, can
build 3 Corvairs for that price.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: Engine CONTINENTAL O-200-A
Have O-200A All new internal parts, cylinders,mags, etc etc, no
expense spared 0 SMOH Asking $16,000 obo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I have a total of $7,000 in my A-65, but that included NEW Millenium
> Cylinders and pistons, which was $3400 of that total. I also sent the
> crankcasr out to Divco for overhauling, and the crankshaft and connecting
> rods were overhauled by Aircraft Specialties. I bought a new camshaft, and
> new Slick magnetos. I did the overhaul myself, under the supervision of an
> A&P/IA. I could have done it much cheaper, but I like reliability, which is
> what started this thread.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> To play devil's advocate: the Corvair project for $6,000 is everything
> needed to assemble the Wynne based Corvair conversion, all parts reworked,
> overhauled, or new. How much did you have in your A-65 after the cost of
> acquisition, rework, new parts, etc? Just curious... ;)
>
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> I think Bernard liked to experiment. At the time he used that Corvair, it
> was far cheaper than an aircraft engine. That is no longer the case (the
> email that started this thread was about a Corvair PROJECT that was for sale
> for $6,000, which is four times as much as I paid for my Continental A-65,
> and is nearly half what Ive got in the Lycoming O-540 that Ill put in the
> RV-10). I owned a Corvair for several years (we bought it new in 1966, so
> it wasnt worn out when we got it, although it was 3 years later) and
> learned a great deal about the reliability of both the engine and the
> car. I remember that the Corvair was used in one of my machine design
> classes in college as an example of how NOT to design a belt-drive system.
>
>
> But these airplanes are licensed as Experimental, so go for it. I just
> prefer aircraft engines for aircraft, and car engines for cars. The design
> requirements are totally different.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:50 PM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> I plan to Jack. I have 12 hours on the fly off now and everything is working
> great so far. By the way, Are you suggesting that Bernie made a mistake by
> using the corvair as an alternative engine? Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 8:33:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Does that mean you are going to fly it to Brodhead this year, Gardiner? My
> low power but utterly reliable Continental has made the trip 3 times now.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of airlion
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
>
> Well Jack, at least my boat anchor will get me over those high hills west of
> you. Gardiner
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 12:21:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: William Wynne Corvair conversion parts for sale
>
> Wow! An A65 with only 1505 Total Time? Thats pretty incredible.
>
>
> So having sold that Chevrolet boat-anchor you now have some funds available
> to purchase a flying Pietenpol? Congratulations, Ryan!
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Might as well toss in my two cents here since I just spent at least as much as
Jack did to bring a core A75 to essentially zero time, and to my mind "factory
new" specs. I also have a Corvair engine on my workbench, slowly getting built
up to power a future Piet-like project. I've spent probably a couple of thousand
$$ on the Corvair and will spend maybe another couple on it before it runs,
so in the end I'll have just about as much money in one as in the other.
The Corvair is about 20 years newer than the Continental and will develop 25% more
takeoff power for the same dollars. I can buy common overhaul parts for the
Corvair several blocks from my house at any one of a number of auto parts houses,
but I can't say the same for my Continental. I'm lucky, living in a very
strong military town where there is an active aircraft community, that I can
actually buy AN hardware and aircraft parts in town but I cannot go to AutoZone
and buy a set of valve springs, rockers, piston rings, bearings, spark plugs,
plug wires, or other common parts for the A75. I can't order them there and
nobody would know what they are. Granted, I have never had the need to do
this but it's nice to know I can find common parts for the Corvair from Bar Harbor
to Brownsville, San Francisco to Ft. Myers, and auto repair shops can work
on many aspects of them whereas I would NEVER take ANY part of my Continental
engine to an auto repair shop.
The Corvair is a more modern engine than the Continental in the way it was designed,
the ignition, the type of fuel it is designed to burn, the operating RPM,
the metallurgy. It is very tolerant of high temperatures and insufficient care
and will very likely keep the airplane flying with one or maybe even two cylinders
dead. When it's together and running as designed, it is inherently a
very smooth and powerful engine and tends to operate without the cooling problems
that are prevalent in many other auto engine conversions. It has successfully
flown in many airframes, fast and slow, over a very good period of years.
I like the Corvair but I fly behind a Continental. Why? Because I needed to fly
more than I wanted to spend another few years tinkering. In effect I have
the best of both worlds... I fly my Continental-powered Piet while building up
and tinkering with the Corvair. One of these days, I might just take to the
air in some sort of Corvair-powered Pietenpol offspring. Admittedly, I am more
of a builder than I am a flyer, although I like both. I just can't imagine
bolting together a kit, registering it, going out and flying, and never spending
any time in the shop working on an airplane or engine. Not to seem trite here,
but "it's all good" and there are no one-size-fits-all engines in experimental
aviation. Less filling, more taste- bring on the next round.
And finally... as with women, so with engines. All have their endearing traits
and any of them can leave you confused, angry, and hurt but on a good day, they
are oh-so-sweet, all of them!
--------
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
Air Camper NX41CC
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Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Yeah, my frugal nature needs balancing, too. One time when discussing
how to fix something on the Piet, after trying to get the correct
and acceptable method through my head after a dozen attempts, my
friend and local A&P finally blurted out in exasperation, "Jeff, at
what point does a sense of self-preservation kick in for you?!"
>The point being - everyone has their own level of acceptance of what
>is "reliable."
>
>I wish to re-iterate that Jack, Mike C, William Wynne and others
>have helped me to balance my frugal approach to building with an
>overall view of practicality and safety.
>
>Gary
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
You can buy insurance to cover your project while under construction. Start
with the EAA program and research it from there. Keep in mind your
homeowners policy was never meant to cover anything but your home and
contents. Your premium is based on just that exposure. Cars, boats,
motorcycles, and yes airplanes are not part of the contract. All of those
require separate coverage that is tailored to the exposure.
Perry Rhoads(yup, I'm an insurance agent)
Piet N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "coxwelljon" <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance question
> <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
>
> dan.loegering(at)odayequi wrote:
>> Ran into an odd situation recently and wanted to see what others have
>> done in the past, or are currently doing.
>>
>> I recently sold my house and am renting now, so I switched to a renters
>> insurance policy. Since I was bored last night (the plane is still in
>> storage for another week) I was reading through the policy, and came
>> across the statement that "aircraft and aircraft parts are not covered."
>> Huh?
>>
>> Spoke to my agent today and he had never come across this either, did
>> some research and they do not cover aircraft or parts on ANY of their
>> policies.
>>
>> So my question is this - what, if anything, did you do to provide
>> coverage for your projects while they were in the project stage? I am
>> simply looking to cover my costs of materials in the event of theft,
>> fire, etc... Is this something that I should not worry about (I am
>> normally a trusting individual, but the new house is close to a high
>> school and the garage is located in the alley - apparently there have
>> been issues in the past with some of the garages being used as gathering
>> places by the students) One neighbor suggested blocking the windows and
>> getting a bigger lock... I may not go to that extreme (it isn't THAT bad
>> of a neighborhood...) but I will definitely be putting in a new lock.
>>
>> It will be nice to get back to building though - time to make more
>> sawdust and grind some metal!
>>
>> Dan Loegering
>> Fargo, ND
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I would check into a special policy. Your greatest risk may not be from
> vandalism. I had a good friend who lived in a great timber frame house,
> attached workshop, and totally off the grid. He was building an Rans
> from a kit. They called for forming the tank by filling it full of fuel
> and letting sit and take shape. The tank was closed yet fumes leaked
> across the floor to a heater on the other side of the shop. The whole
> thing went up including the house and was a total loss. Fortunately there
> was no loss of human life. Insurance paid nothing on the airplane and
> would not even cover a PV array because it was next to the house and not
> attached exept by wiring. Rans gave him a good deal on a new kit but the
> fire took several years out of his life while he rebuilt his house. He is
> now starting again on the Rans. It has made me think both about insurance
> and what I do in the shop.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292548#292548
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Insurance question |
Try Jenny at NationAir(they have a website) in St. Louis. I insured N12939
with her for a reasonable amount without time in type, nor any dual
required. The only requirement was one hour of solo Piet time before taking
passengers.
Perry Rhoads
Piet N12939
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Charvet" <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Insurance question
>
> I ran into the same problem with the EAA insurance. If you have recent
> tailwheel time in a similar aircraft and go through the EAA Flight advisor
> program you can probably get them to insure your first flight. They did
> for me. Their original quote wanted 5 or 10 hours in type. One other
> question to be asking.. will you insure a Corvair powered Piet/GN-1? Four
> years ago neither Avemco nor the EAA would. Thats one of the reasons I
> ended up with a Continental.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
>
> On 3/31/2010 4:04 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by:
>> "coxwelljon"<coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>>
>>
>> I asked the question about liability insurance and that is where things
>> get sticky for tail draggers. They not only want tailwheel time which is
>> understandable, but want some time in the same model. I have 100 hours
>> of tail wheel and 1700 hours total, but none in a GN-1 or a Piet. The
>> EAA insurance agent told me I should be thinking about getting some more
>> tail wheel time and try real hard to get GN-1 time before my airplane is
>> ready to fly. This is just a heads up. Thanks Dan for raising this
>> question.
>>
>> Jon Coxwell
>>
>> --------
>> Jon Coxwell
>> GN-1 Builder
>> Recycle and preserve the planet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292561#292561
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Subject: | Re: Corvair vs. Continental - long |
Only if you plan on sitting in a lawn chair under a bunch of
helium filled weather baloons with a BB gun to shoot them
out one at a time for landing purposes! :-)
http://www.markbarry.com/lawnchairman.html
are we ALL beyond risk management?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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Subject: | Supersonic Piet? |
Dear List members,
After years of lurking I am ready to begin building! The problem has always
been the choice of engine, but now I have it! At the Air Museum there is an
old engine from a Mirage 3!!!
Last night I pored over my copies from a friend's Flying and Gliding manual,
and with some napkins from KFC roughed out the design. Obviously it was
meant to be.
Of course a few little tweaks will be needed, but after all spruce is a form
of carbon fibre. The wing root gaps will prevent spanwise shock waves at
mach 1, and if the wings are swept a little, say 45 degrees, she should
remain stable up to the thermal thicket at Mach 3. The first stage
conpressor will allow pressurisation of the cockpit, and only two questions
remain:
How to route the tailwheel cables around the tailpipe, and what landing gear
to use? I like the Jenny style, but maybe I should consider the new
monowheel undercarriage as proposed by some of the engineers on the list
recently?
Perhaps tomorrow it will look different....
Happy first of April!
Coen van WYk
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