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1. 05:04 AM - Re: reliability and safety/ risks (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: Firewall Fabrication (John Egan)
3. 10:45 AM - 800x4 Cub wheels and brakes for sale (Ryan Mueller)
4. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Corvair oil (Jim)
5. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Corvair oil (Rick Holland)
6. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Corvair oil (shad bell)
7. 09:18 PM - Re: Re: Re: Corvair oil (Jim)
8. 09:31 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen (Jim)
9. 11:02 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen (Gary Boothe)
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Subject: | Re: reliability and safety/ risks |
Hi Mike and All,
Yes one of my close calls was back in 2003. Me and my two sons had flown
down to Kitty Hawk in the summer to celebrate the 100th anniversary of fl
ight. On our way back we stopped for gas in the mountains, can't remember
where, but this airport was in a valley surrounded by pretty big hills.
We were using one of those yolk-mounted GPS holders. Right before take-of
f (my son was PIC) he cycled through the controls to insure freedom of mov
ement. We lined-up and poured on the coals, and to our surprise we went ab
out 100 feet and the engine quit! Took us a few minutes to figure out that
when my son was checking the controls before take-off, that blasted yoke-
mounted GPS holder had gotten caught on the mixture push-pull handle and
pulled it out!! A few beads of sweat had to be wiped off my headon that
one.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH (Painted the cowls and fuse yesterday. Getting closer to Brodhead!
!)
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] <michael.d.cu
y@nasa.gov>
Sent: Fri, Apr 2, 2010 5:00 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: reliability and safety/ risks
ospace
orporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
The two things that kill more people than crank-snapping incidents, poor
orkmanship,
nd using inferior building materials are fuel starvation and flying into
eather you
ad no bidness flying into in the first place.
Just recently a friend e-mailed me about a student and instructor who got
killed
n a Cessna
50 that was perfectly airworthy with a perfectly qualified instructor aboa
rd.
hey had the
uel selector OFF on takeoff.
How many times have you guys taxied out and had the engine quit on you bec
ause
ou forgot to
urn your fuel valve on ? I have. At least four times since getting
my
icense 30 years
go. It would have been really ugly happening about 75 feet over the tele
phone
ires on takeoff.
Weather too...holy moly is weather scary. When flying to Brodhead I land
ed in
hicago last July
t Romeoville/Lewis U. Airport for fuel and checked out the weather compute
r
oop and saw a wide
nd yellow and red/green band of heavy precip closing in on Brodhead from
the
W. I calculated
hat if I launched for Brodhead that cold front and I might (or might not
have)
ave met in
id air but it was like throwing a dart so I stood down, got a rental car
for
heap and slept
n a Motel 6 with my Red Lobster meal to go watching the tv weather. Yike
s !
t got ugly
here at Brodhead Friday evening according to my compadres and Infidels and
hough I felt bad
hey all had to endure that in a tent, I was glad my plane was tucked in ne
xt to
Citation in
steel hangar !
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Firewall Fabrication |
Thanks group for the replys regarding-firewall fabrication processes.-
I'll start in the morning...=0A-=0Ajohn egan=0Agreenville, wi=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | 800x4 Cub wheels and brakes for sale |
Good morning all,
We have a set of 800x4 wheels and brakes for sale. They were removed from a
flying J-3 for an upgrade to larger wheels and tires. The wheels are in very
good shape, and the Goodyear tires still have life left in them. They come
with complete expander tube brake assemblies and drums, and Cub wheel
covers. $750 + shipping is what we are asking. We bought them for our Piet
to have the nice, fat balloon tire look, but we are not going to need them
any longer. Let me know if you are interested. Thanks!
Ryan
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Rick,
Do you have a KMART near you Rick? My local KMART has it in stock in gallon containers
in the auto parts department.
Jim
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Apr 2, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
Cannot find 10W40 Rotella, use 15W40 Rotella as WW recommends.
rick
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:53 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> OK I expect the oil brand issue is about like asking what kind of glue is best.
anyway- I am getting closer on this project I bought from D.J. and thinking
about draining the oil and putting in new just because it has sat several years.
I am sure he ran it some from what he told me and I have pre-lubed it and
ran it a few minutes last summer. still with the same oil he had in it. it has
a good quality K&N oil filter so I have no doubt he put good quality oil in it.
but as I expect to be flying it before too much longer I'd like to replace
it with new oil just because it has set idle several years.doubt it got much condensation
in Arizona or here in the dry Texas panhandle either.I see in the
Wyn manual he suggests using 10W40 Rotella T for break-in and then he says Amsoil
10/30 synthetic is his choice. I plan on running mostly 100 LL fuel in it
at least for the near future and wondering what is a good oil to deal with the
leaded fuel.the Corvair may not have any lead probl!
em!
> s but I remember reading about it being an issue in the Rotax 912 or 914 engines
with certain oils.Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292728#292728
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Hey Jim
I found Rotella 15W40 at the local WalMart. Need to go get another
gallon and a half to do my first one hour oil change.
rick
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
>
>
> Rick,
> Do you have a KMART near you Rick? My local KMART has it in stock in gallon containers
in the auto parts department.
> Jim
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Pietenpol on wheels
> Tail surfaces done
> Wing ribs done
> Corvair engine
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cannot find 10W40 Rotella, use 15W40 Rotella as WW recommends.
>
> rick
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:53 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK I expect the oil brand issue is about like asking what kind of glue is best.
anyway- I am getting closer on this project I bought from D.J. and thinking
about draining the oil and putting in new just because it has sat several years.
I am sure he ran it some from what he told me and I have pre-lubed it and
ran it a few minutes last summer. still with the same oil he had in it. it has
a good quality K&N oil filter so I have no doubt he put good quality oil in
it. but as I expect to be flying it before too much longer I'd like to replace
it with new oil just because it has set idle several years.doubt it got much
condensation in Arizona or here in the dry Texas panhandle either.I see in the
Wyn manual he suggests using 10W40 Rotella T for break-in and then he says Amsoil
10/30 synthetic is his choice. I plan on running mostly 100 LL fuel in it
at least for the near future and wondering what is a good oil to deal with the
leaded fuel.the Corvair may not have any lead probl!
> em!
>> s but I remember reading about it being an issue in the Rotax 912 or 914 engines
with certain oils.Raymond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292728#292728
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Rick, Just wondering if you did the initial test runs with 10w-30 or not? I remember
wynne's recomendation for running the 1st .5- 1.0 hrs on regular old 10w30
(I think it was anyways). Not sure if it is nessasary or not for break in/
seating of rings etc, or if it's just more economical, being as it only gets
run through the engine for an hour or less. We have been running exclusivly
rotella T 15-40, and have had no problems with it. If your initial oil temps
are a little higher than expected don't frett yet, ours dropped 10-20 degrees
after about 15-20 hrs. Just make sure they stay within the parameters, we switiched
to a stock corvair 12 plate cooler to help lower our temps a little. If
I can provide any info or help don't be affraid to ask, I will answer to the
best of my knowlage.
Shad
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Glad you found it Rick; Wal-Mart or KMART aren't they all the same?
cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Apr 3, 2010 05:26:31 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Hey Jim
I found Rotella 15W40 at the local WalMart. Need to go get another
gallon and a half to do my first one hour oil change.
rick
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net> wrote:
>
>
> Rick,
> Do you have a KMART near you Rick? My local KMART has it in stock in gallon containers
in the auto parts department.
> Jim
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Pietenpol on wheels
> Tail surfaces done
> Wing ribs done
> Corvair engine
>
>
> On Apr 2, 2010, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Cannot find 10W40 Rotella, use 15W40 Rotella as WW recommends.
>
> rick
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:53 PM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK I expect the oil brand issue is about like asking what kind of glue is best.
anyway- I am getting closer on this project I bought from D.J. and thinking
about draining the oil and putting in new just because it has sat several years.
I am sure he ran it some from what he told me and I have pre-lubed it and
ran it a few minutes last summer. still with the same oil he had in it. it has
a good quality K&N oil filter so I have no doubt he put good quality oil in
it. but as I expect to be flying it before too much longer I'd like to replace
it with new oil just because it has set idle several years.doubt it got much
condensation in Arizona or here in the dry Texas panhandle either.I see in the
Wyn manual he suggests using 10W40 Rotella T for break-in and then he says Amsoil
10/30 synthetic is his choice. I plan on running mostly 100 LL fuel in it
at least for the near future and wondering what is a good oil to deal with the
leaded fuel.the Corvair may not have any lead prob!
l!
> em!
>> s but I remember reading about it being an issue in the Rotax 912 or 914 engines
with certain oils.Raymond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292728#292728
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Hi Gary,
Got the landing gear and wheels back on today with Arlene's help. Then I got out
the photos of your windscreens to look and see if I can figure out how you did
them. First off you did them excellently and I have some questions.
Why are the fillers L shaped and you said they are fastened to the front of the
windscreen? I can't tell from your photos where they are and what is their purpose?
Are they just to cover up your ability to see the top of the glass (acrylic?)?
Are they also fastened with the screws you put through the front and rear
frames?
Thanks Gary,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Feb 22, 2010 11:00:45 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Thanks, Dan! Ill post some more pics later in the weekwhen I get back to the office,
but heres a teaser
#13 shows the gap between the front and back piece. #15 shows the filler. Its just
a piece of .016 bent to an L and is located on the front side of the glass.
#8 shows the cutout process of one of the pieces. After finishing this windscreen,
I think I could incorporate the filler piece in to the front frame and just
bend it over.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Gary,
Like that windscreen a lot. Could you post more detail shots at front corners?
I think I am going to make mine over again. Yours looks like it is all one piece,
front and uprights?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done, so
I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from 6061
.025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 L shaped fillers for the tops,
and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not cut to length
and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a wood former.
So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
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Jim,
The L shaped fillers are inside the front piece, but in front of the
acrylic, to hide the acrylic as you say. They are held by the same screws
that hold everything together. Here are a few more pictures that may help.
I'd love to see a pic of your plane on wheels!
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Hi Gary,
Got the landing gear and wheels back on today with Arlene's help. Then I got
out the photos of your windscreens to look and see if I can figure out how
you did them. First off you did them excellently and I have some questions.
Why are the fillers L shaped and you said they are fastened to the front of
the windscreen? I can't tell from your photos where they are and what is
their purpose? Are they just to cover up your ability to see the top of the
glass (acrylic?)? Are they also fastened with the screws you put through the
front and rear frames?
Thanks Gary,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Feb 22, 2010 11:00:45 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Thanks, Dan! I'll post some more pics later in the week.when I get back to
the office, but here's a teaser.
#13 shows the gap between the front and back piece. #15 shows the 'filler'.
It's just a piece of .016 bent to an 'L' and is located on the front side of
the glass.
#8 shows the cutout process of one of the pieces. After finishing this
windscreen, I think I could incorporate the filler piece in to the front
frame and just bend it over.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Gary,
Like that windscreen a lot. Could you post more detail shots at front
corners? I think I am going to make mine over again. Yours looks like it is
all one piece, front and uprights?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done,
so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from
6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for
the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not
cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a
wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
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