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1. 06:41 AM - Re: reliability and safety/ risks (tkreiner)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: Phase 1 update NX866BC (Frank Metcalfe)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Re: Windscreen (David Paule)
4. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Windscreen (Gary Boothe)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Re: Windscreen (Jim)
6. 01:02 PM - Re: Phase 1 update NX866BC (Tim Willis)
7. 01:51 PM - Re: Phase 1 update NX866BC (Ben Charvet)
8. 02:19 PM - Re: Re: Windscreen (David Paule)
9. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Corvair oil (Rick Holland)
10. 03:43 PM - Douwe's piet...:( (Douwe Blumberg)
11. 04:19 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (airlion)
12. 04:19 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Gary Boothe)
13. 04:32 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (David Paule)
14. 04:56 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Jack Phillips)
15. 06:14 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (bryan green)
16. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Corvair oil (shad bell)
17. 06:24 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Ben Charvet)
18. 06:51 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Jack)
19. 07:18 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Jeff Boatright)
20. 07:21 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Mike Townsley)
21. 07:32 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Tim Willis)
22. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: Corvair oil (Rick Holland)
23. 08:39 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (John Recine)
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Subject: | Re: reliability and safety/ risks |
Guys.
In God we Trust.
EVERYTHING ELSE is on the check list.
If you update and/ or use your checklist, you'll NEVER overlook the fuel selector
again.
Just my $ .02 worth.
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Tom Kreiner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=292932#292932
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Subject: | Re: Phase 1 update NX866BC |
Two of the Big Piets are leaving Saturday the 10th. The other two=0A-just
dont have the time flown off yet We are hoping all four make it to Brodhea
d this year Look us up and park with us !!=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
___________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: Pietenpol li
st <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Fri, April 2, 2010 6:49:51 PM=0AS
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Phase 1 update NX866BC=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mess
age posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AToday I loaded the
Piet up to gross wt of 1150 lbs with 200 lbs strapped to the front seat.
- I was able to find enough scrap lead and iron to fit into a sturdy canv
as tool bag. I could tell a difference in the airplane just pushing it out
of the hangar.- The landing gear bungees were even stretched out about 1/
4 in more than with an empty front seat.- I was as nervous as the first f
light.- Taxi and takeoff were uneventful, although I used more runway lif
ting off.- I rechecked my best climb speed, and was still able to get 400
FPM at 60 MPH, 350 FPM at 65 mph.- Sixty was my best rate of climb with
just me in it too.- I have a Sensenich CK 72X40 climb prop, and it is wor
king out well I guess.- Stalls were as uneventful as before and happened
at 36 mph, about what I expected.- I need to add a little bit of right th
rust to the motor mount, as I'm still needing to hold some right rudder in
level flight (don't need any rudder power off).- The weather
in Florida has been beautiful this week=0A=0AI've been flying my butt off
trying to make it to Sun-N-Fun, but I have 20 hours on it now, and all the
important flight testing is done.- I'm still not sure what days I will be
there.- The Pres is planning a trip to Kennedy Space Center April 15 (Th
urs), and if he does that will shut down my airport.- Friday is looking g
ood to me.- What days are the Big Piets going to be there?- It would be
great if we could get 4 Piets lined up in Homebuilders Corner.=0A=0ABen Ch
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Gary,
Looks like you installed snaps on the inside of the windshield.
What are they for?
David Paule
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Those are fibered lock nuts, but not the final fit. The screws are SS Hex
Head #6.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Paule
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Gary,
Looks like you installed snaps on the inside of the windshield.
What are they for?
David Paule
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Hi Gary,
Thanks for the additional pictures and explanation. I understand now what you did;
boy those windshields really look nice. I don't think a factory could make
them look any nicer. Am surprised that the Olfa knife can cut aluminium that
well. What was the temper of the 025 6061? T6? Your process is pretty easy to
follow thanks to your pictures.
Arlene and I have laid out the aluminium cowling for the front cockpit using posterboard
so as soon as I cut it out of aluminium will then do the windshield.
Wish me luck.
As soon as we see the sun again will roll the Piet into the driveway and take few
pictures of it as it is now.
Thanks again,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Apr 3, 2010, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Jim,
The L shaped fillers are inside the front piece, but in front of the
acrylic, to hide the acrylic as you say. They are held by the same screws
that hold everything together. Here are a few more pictures that may help.
I'd love to see a pic of your plane on wheels!
Gary
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Hi Gary,
Got the landing gear and wheels back on today with Arlene's help. Then I got
out the photos of your windscreens to look and see if I can figure out how
you did them. First off you did them excellently and I have some questions.
Why are the fillers L shaped and you said they are fastened to the front of
the windscreen? I can't tell from your photos where they are and what is
their purpose? Are they just to cover up your ability to see the top of the
glass (acrylic?)? Are they also fastened with the screws you put through the
front and rear frames?
Thanks Gary,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Feb 22, 2010 11:00:45 AM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
Thanks, Dan! I'll post some more pics later in the week.when I get back to
the office, but here's a teaser.
#13 shows the gap between the front and back piece. #15 shows the 'filler'.
It's just a piece of .016 bent to an 'L' and is located on the front side of
the glass.
#8 shows the cutout process of one of the pieces. After finishing this
windscreen, I think I could incorporate the filler piece in to the front
frame and just bend it over.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
Gary,
Like that windscreen a lot. Could you post more detail shots at front
corners? I think I am going to make mine over again. Yours looks like it is
all one piece, front and uprights?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe@calply.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 6:20 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Windscreen
The kitchen remodel is on hold until the countertop guy gets his stuff done,
so I spent the weekend working on one of the windscreens. Mine are made from
6061 .025 and consist of 8 pieces: Front and back, 3 'L' shaped fillers for
the tops, and 3 mounting brackets to the fuselage. Those are made, just not
cut to length and fitted. I used a method similar to Jack Phillips, with a
wood former. So far I have 12 hours in the first one!!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
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Subject: | Re: Phase 1 update NX866BC |
Ben,
By way of future reference, I am trying to benchmark your performance for
my future expectations. You have a bit more "climb" in your prop than I have,
and with 1150# load, that 400fpm climb sounds pretty good.
BTW, I am a big fat boy who will be using an A-65. Carrying my 100# wife
should present no problem, other than drugging her to get her into the plane,
but my pal Ron whom many of you have seen is roughly my size, girth, and weight.
What is your engine, and what was your runway altitude and air temp. in this
trial?
Do you plan to try it with a "300# passenger," emulating full fuel and fat
boys?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Apr 2, 2010 6:49 PM
>To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase 1 update NX866BC
>
>
>Today I loaded the Piet up to gross wt of 1150 lbs with 200 lbs strapped
>to the front seat. I was able to find enough scrap lead and iron to fit
>into a sturdy canvas tool bag. I could tell a difference in the airplane
>just pushing it out of the hangar. The landing gear bungees were even
>stretched out about 1/4 in more than with an empty front seat. I was as
>nervous as the first flight. Taxi and takeoff were uneventful, although
>I used more runway lifting off. I rechecked my best climb speed, and
>was still able to get 400 FPM at 60 MPH, 350 FPM at 65 mph. Sixty was
>my best rate of climb with just me in it too. I have a Sensenich CK
>72X40 climb prop, and it is working out well I guess. Stalls were as
>uneventful as before and happened at 36 mph, about what I expected. I
>need to add a little bit of right thrust to the motor mount, as I'm
>still needing to hold some right rudder in level flight (don't need any
>rudder power off). The weather in Florida has been beautiful this week
>
>I've been flying my butt off trying to make it to Sun-N-Fun, but I have
>20 hours on it now, and all the important flight testing is done. I'm
>still not sure what days I will be there. The Pres is planning a trip
>to Kennedy Space Center April 15 (Thurs), and if he does that will shut
>down my airport. Friday is looking good to me. What days are the Big
>Piets going to be there? It would be great if we could get 4 Piets
>lined up in Homebuilders Corner.
>
>Ben Charvet
>NX866BC
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Phase 1 update NX866BC |
I'm on the east coast of Florida, and our runway is 35 ft MSL. The
climb was measured starting from 1000 ft with the second hand of the
pocket watch I have on my panel. It was about 65 degrees as best I can
remember. I am more the regulation FAA pilot, ie around 170 pounds
dressed to fly. The largest passenger I plan to carry at this point is
my brother who weighs about 200, and that puts me at the 1150 I chose
arbitrarily for a gross wt. I was surprised at the 400fpm climb myself,
but I've been seeing 600 fpm with just me in it, Seems to good to be
true, but I measured it with my own eyes. Just some other info, my
empty weight was 692, in spite of building the whole thing out of
douglas fir. It has 12 gallons of fuel in a cowl tank.
I removed the weight and flew it this afternoon just for fun. After the
longest, coldest, winter in recent memory around here it was as bumpy as
a summer day today. It would have probably been uncomfortable for a
passenger, but I'm still loving it.
living he dream,
Ben
On 4/4/2010 4:02 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Ben,
> By way of future reference, I am trying to benchmark your performance for
my future expectations. You have a bit more "climb" in your prop than I have,
and with 1150# load, that 400fpm climb sounds pretty good.
> BTW, I am a big fat boy who will be using an A-65. Carrying my 100# wife
should present no problem, other than drugging her to get her into the plane,
but my pal Ron whom many of you have seen is roughly my size, girth, and weight.
> What is your engine, and what was your runway altitude and air temp. in
this trial?
> Do you plan to try it with a "300# passenger," emulating full fuel and
fat boys?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Ben Charvet<bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>> Sent: Apr 2, 2010 6:49 PM
>> To: Pietenpol list<pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Phase 1 update NX866BC
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet<bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Today I loaded the Piet up to gross wt of 1150 lbs with 200 lbs strapped
>> to the front seat. I was able to find enough scrap lead and iron to fit
>> into a sturdy canvas tool bag. I could tell a difference in the airplane
>> just pushing it out of the hangar. The landing gear bungees were even
>> stretched out about 1/4 in more than with an empty front seat. I was as
>> nervous as the first flight. Taxi and takeoff were uneventful, although
>> I used more runway lifting off. I rechecked my best climb speed, and
>> was still able to get 400 FPM at 60 MPH, 350 FPM at 65 mph. Sixty was
>> my best rate of climb with just me in it too. I have a Sensenich CK
>> 72X40 climb prop, and it is working out well I guess. Stalls were as
>> uneventful as before and happened at 36 mph, about what I expected. I
>> need to add a little bit of right thrust to the motor mount, as I'm
>> still needing to hold some right rudder in level flight (don't need any
>> rudder power off). The weather in Florida has been beautiful this week
>>
>> I've been flying my butt off trying to make it to Sun-N-Fun, but I have
>> 20 hours on it now, and all the important flight testing is done. I'm
>> still not sure what days I will be there. The Pres is planning a trip
>> to Kennedy Space Center April 15 (Thurs), and if he does that will shut
>> down my airport. Friday is looking good to me. What days are the Big
>> Piets going to be there? It would be great if we could get 4 Piets
>> lined up in Homebuilders Corner.
>>
>> Ben Charvet
>> NX866BC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Okay, thanks!
Beautiful work.....
David Paule
>
> Those are fibered lock nuts, but not the final fit. The screws are SS Hex
> Head #6.
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Thanks for the info Shad. All my temps and oil pressure is within WWs
recommendations so far. I am also using a 12 plate oil cooler. I
didn't hear about using 10W30 for the first hour, I have just used the
15W40. One thing I need to work on is the carb heat, it only lowers
full throttle rpm about 50 rpm now. How much of a drop do you get?
One other decision I need to make is whether to add one of Wiesman's
5th bearings (just another $1000 ;). Have not yet seen a Corvair/Piet
with one, have you?
rick
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:15 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Rick, Just wondering if you did the initial test runs with 10w-30 or not? I remember
wynne's recomendation for running the 1st .5- 1.0 hrs on regular old 10w30
(I think it was anyways). Not sure if it is nessasary or not for break in/
seating of rings etc, or if it's just more economical, being as it only gets
run through the engine for an hour or less. We have been running exclusivly rotella
T 15-40, and have had no problems with it. If your initial oil temps are
a little higher than expected don't frett yet, ours dropped 10-20 degrees after
about 15-20 hrs. Just make sure they stay within the parameters, we switiched
to a stock corvair 12 plate cooler to help lower our temps a little. If I
can provide any info or help don't be affraid to ask, I will answer to the best
of my knowlage.
>
> Shad
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Douwe's piet...:( |
Well, good news and bad news...
Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
forward and flipped her on her back.
Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
I really don't know what else to say at this point...
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe, I am sorry about your loss. Have you figured out why the wing displaced
forward if the cabanes held up? what was your forward angled cabane made of or
was it just a cable on the starboard side? Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sun, April 4, 2010 6:47:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
Well, good news and bad news...
Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
forward and flipped her on her back.
Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
I really don't know what else to say at this point...
Douwe
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Subject: | Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe,
I'm speechless...feel very badly for both you and Lowell...
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 3:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Well, good news and bad news...
Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
forward and flipped her on her back.
Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
I really don't know what else to say at this point...
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
I'm so sorry that this happened. Both you and Lowell must feel pretty bad.
That shoulder harness sounds like a goodie. It might be worth posting a
photo of it to aid builders who haven't yet gotten that far.
I hope that the rebuilding goes quickly. It sure is a beautiful airplane.
David Paule
> Well, good news and bad news...
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Subject: | Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe, I'm so sorry to hear this. The only thing worse would be if Lowell
had gotten hurt (I'm sure he feels worse than you do about it).
I can relate more than most on this list, since I went through a forced
landing and groundloop that damaged my Pietenpol severely, after I had only
put 5 hours on it. I can tell you that, while building the Pietenpol was
fun, REBUILDING it was sheer work. It took me 8 months to get mine back in
flying shape and for that 8 months I had to pretty much just whip myself to
go down in the basement and work on it. However, the end result was worth
the effort and by the next summer I flew it to Brodhead, then on to OSH
where I won an outstanding workmanship award ( I wonder how many previously
wrecked airplanes can claim that distinction?). One thing I can say is that
now that you know what you're doing with woodwork and fabric work, you will
be surprised how much faster the work can go than when you did it for the
first time.
Buy a copy of AC-43.13, which is the FAA's bible for repairing damaged
aircraft. You CAN make this airplane as good as new, trust me.
My advice to you is to have a good cry, hug Marcie, buy a bottle of really
good single malt scotch and get good and drunk. Hug Marcie again. Then get
up in the morning, assess the damage and lay out a plan for rebuilding it.
If you need some help, let me know. I'm retired and have an RV-4 that can
get me to Brodhead in 4 hours, so I can come help if you need it.
Kindest regards,
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Well, good news and bad news...
Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
forward and flipped her on her back.
Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
I really don't know what else to say at this point...
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
So sorry to hear this Douwe, but thankful that everyone will be ok.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Well, good news and bad news...
>
> Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
>
> After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
> coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him
> crooked
> on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
> would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
> inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
> the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
> forward and flipped her on her back.
>
> Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
> got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the
> tough
> shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
>
> Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
> in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and
> try
> to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
>
> Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
> held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through
> intact.
>
> I really don't know what else to say at this point...
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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Rick, Our carb heat is only about 75 rpm drop at full throttle, on humid days I
usually take off with it on and leave it there, I was out flying on a humid,
fall day a couple years ago and I think it was sarting to ice up, so I turned
on the heat and flew back home. I think it is more of an anti-ice system, than
a de-ice system. It may also depend on the type of carb you have, we run a
marvel MA3SPA, as used on a 0-200, and just have the mixture lever saftied full
rich, although I have been toying with putting a mixture cable in so we can
adjust it on really hot days. Be DAMNED CAREFULL with carb ice! It does build
up fast on a corvair, look at your intake manifold after a ground run on a cool
summer morning, it will be dripping with condinsation.
Have fun, be safe
Shad
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
Wow, what a heartbreak. Glad Lowell is OK. Since we both finished up
around the same time, Airworthiness inspection the same day, and all, I
can imagine the sense of loss you feel. Hope you can get past the loss
and get it fixed.
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
>> Well, good news and bad news...
>>
>> Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
>>
>> After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
>> coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him
>> crooked
>> on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
>> would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
>> inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the
>> side of
>> the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
>> forward and flipped her on her back.
>>
>> Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that
>> Lowell
>> got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the
>> tough
>> shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
>>
>> Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go
>> back
>> in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock
>> and try
>> to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
>>
>> Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and
>> what
>> held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through
>> intact.
>>
>> I really don't know what else to say at this point...
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe,
Man what sad news; thank goodness Lowell did fine physically. As I get
closer to completion I've found myself worrying about such things. Take
Jack's advice, take some time and hang in there. My thoughts are with you
and Lowell.
Take care!
Jack
DSM
<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Well, good news and bad news...
Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
forward and flipped her on her back.
Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
I really don't know what else to say at this point...
Douwe
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Subject: | Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe,
I am so sorry to hear this. I'm sure you're inconsolable right now, but...
Like Jack, we had to rebuild our Piet's gear and forward fuselage
after a bad landing. Like he says, it is work. But, also like he
says, it can be done and you can end up with a better plane. Our gear
is much better designed and built than the previous version, the
fuselage is much stronger, we repaired and altered a bunch of small
things that weren't right, we didn't gain any weight, and we ended up
with a much better looking plane with better performance. Some of it
was fun, but a lot of it was work. Again, as Jack says, set out a
plan and then just put one foot in front of the other. The plan
doesn't need to be perfect, either. You just have to get started.
Good luck,
Jeff
>
>Douwe, I'm so sorry to hear this. The only thing worse would be if Lowell
>had gotten hurt (I'm sure he feels worse than you do about it).
>
>I can relate more than most on this list, since I went through a forced
>landing and groundloop that damaged my Pietenpol severely, after I had only
>put 5 hours on it. I can tell you that, while building the Pietenpol was
>fun, REBUILDING it was sheer work. It took me 8 months to get mine back in
>flying shape and for that 8 months I had to pretty much just whip myself to
>go down in the basement and work on it. However, the end result was worth
>the effort and by the next summer I flew it to Brodhead, then on to OSH
>where I won an outstanding workmanship award ( I wonder how many previously
>wrecked airplanes can claim that distinction?). One thing I can say is that
>now that you know what you're doing with woodwork and fabric work, you will
>be surprised how much faster the work can go than when you did it for the
>first time.
>
>Buy a copy of AC-43.13, which is the FAA's bible for repairing damaged
>aircraft. You CAN make this airplane as good as new, trust me.
>
>My advice to you is to have a good cry, hug Marcie, buy a bottle of really
>good single malt scotch and get good and drunk. Hug Marcie again. Then get
>up in the morning, assess the damage and lay out a plan for rebuilding it.
>If you need some help, let me know. I'm retired and have an RV-4 that can
>get me to Brodhead in 4 hours, so I can come help if you need it.
>
>Kindest regards,
>
>Jack Phillips
>NX899JP
>Raleigh, NC
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
>Blumberg
>Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:47 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
>
><douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
>Well, good news and bad news...
>
>Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
>
>After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
>coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
>on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
>would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
>inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
>the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
>forward and flipped her on her back.
>
>Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
>got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
>shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
>
>Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
>in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
>to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
>
>Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
>held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
>
>I really don't know what else to say at this point...
>
>Douwe
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe,
I am sorry to hear of the mishap...very thankful no one was hurt. I
can't imagine how sad you must be and just plain rung out. Don't make
any snap decisions.... I know it is pre mature, but I encourage you to
rebuild the plane. You have so much invested and did such a good job,
you can rebuild it...you can do it.
Pastor Mike Townsley in Iowa
Douwe Blumberg wrote:
>
> Well, good news and bad news...
>
> Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
>
> After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
> coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
> on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
> would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
> inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
> the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
> forward and flipped her on her back.
>
> Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
> got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
> shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
>
> Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
> in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
> to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
>
> Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
> held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
>
> I really don't know what else to say at this point...
>
> Douwe
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe,
That is just terrible news. We are all so sorry to see your beautiful plane
broken up. Jack P. is right-- you need to have a period of grieving, then
take stock of exactly what needs to be done, and follow approved methods. Jack
and Oscar and a few others have patched them back up, and with improvements.
You know all this already. Setting aside the heartbreak will be the hardest
part.
We are all glad that Lowell is not too banged up. He is a tough guy, too, just
like our Piets-- time tested.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2010 5:47 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
>
>
>Well, good news and bad news...
>
>Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
>
>After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
>coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
>on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
>would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
>inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
>the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
>forward and flipped her on her back.
>
>Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
>got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
>shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
>
>Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
>in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
>to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
>
>Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
>held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
>
>I really don't know what else to say at this point...
>
>Douwe
>
>
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Am also using an ma3spa Shad, and you are correct about the condensation on
the intake. Even here in very low humidity Colorado I have noticed it
every time I test ran the engine. I have my mixture control hooked up,
at this altitude we always adjust mixture at runup before takeoff.
rick
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:08 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Rick, Our carb heat is only about 75 rpm drop at full throttle, on humid days
I usually take off with it on and leave it there, I was out flying on a humid,
fall day a couple years ago and I think it was sarting to ice up, so I turned
on the heat and flew back home. I think it is more of an anti-ice system, than
a de-ice system. It may also depend on the type of carb you have, we run a
marvel MA3SPA, as used on a 0-200, and just have the mixture lever saftied full
rich, although I have been toying with putting a mixture cable in so we can
adjust it on really hot days. Be DAMNED CAREFULL with carb ice! It does build
up fast on a corvair, look at your intake manifold after a ground run on a cool
summer morning, it will be dripping with condinsation.
>
> Have fun, be safe
> Shad
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Douwe's piet...:( |
Douwe,
I am sorry to learn of your damaged Piet. The good news is they still make wood
for replacement parts, epoxy to hold them together, cloth and paint to recover
them. The 2 most important elements are the skillful hands to bring it back
to life and that there were no serious injuries.
Like dings in the paint scratches in the skin can heal.
We are all thankful that we still have you both, shaken not stirred but undamaged.
A broken plane can be repaired by a builder but there is yet a plane that can ever
repair a broken builder.
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
Douwe,
That is just terrible news. We are all so sorry to see your beautiful plane
broken up. Jack P. is right-- you need to have a period of grieving, then
take stock of exactly what needs to be done, and follow approved methods. Jack
and Oscar and a few others have patched them back up, and with improvements.
You know all this already. Setting aside the heartbreak will be the hardest
part.
We are all glad that Lowell is not too banged up. He is a tough guy, too, just
like our Piets-- time tested.
Tim in central TX
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 4, 2010 5:47 PM
>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:(
>
>
>Well, good news and bad news...
>
>Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up.
>
>After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when
>coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked
>on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what
>would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an
>inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of
>the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing
>forward and flipped her on her back.
>
>Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell
>got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough
>shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody)
>
>Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back
>in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try
>to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her.
>
>Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what
>held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact.
>
>I really don't know what else to say at this point...
>
>Douwe
>
>
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