Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/05/10


Total Messages Posted: 37



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     1. 03:57 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (helspersew@aol.com)
     2. 05:58 AM - Douwe's piet...:( (Oscar Zuniga)
     3. 06:50 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Gene & Tammy)
     4. 07:41 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Michael Perez)
     5. 07:48 AM - Ribs Available (dgaldrich)
     6. 07:52 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Gary Boothe)
     7. 08:08 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Pieti Lowell)
     8. 09:12 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Barry Davis)
     9. 09:42 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Bill Church)
    10. 09:53 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (helspersew@aol.com)
    11. 10:04 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Pastor Mike Townsley)
    12. 10:08 AM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Gene & Tammy)
    13. 11:28 AM - Obfuscatory perambulation (TOM STINEMETZE)
    14. 11:44 AM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Gary Boothe)
    15. 11:47 AM - Corvair Project for Sale (TOM STINEMETZE)
    16. 11:58 AM - Douwe's Piet (Lawrence Williams)
    17. 01:29 PM - ELTs (Mike King)
    18. 01:29 PM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Tim Willis)
    19. 01:49 PM - Re: ELTs (Ryan Mueller)
    20. 01:50 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Dan Yocum)
    21. 02:04 PM -  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    22. 02:35 PM - Re: ELTs (Mike King)
    23. 03:29 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (walt)
    24. 03:47 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Dan Yocum)
    25. 04:35 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Dave and Connie)
    26. 04:41 PM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Michael Perez)
    27. 04:44 PM - Re: ELTs (Jack Phillips)
    28. 04:58 PM - Re: Douwe's piet...:( (Michael Perez)
    29. 05:41 PM - weekend cowl work (Michael Groah)
    30. 05:51 PM - Re: weekend cowl work (Jack Phillips)
    31. 05:52 PM - Health issues (Gene & Tammy)
    32. 05:57 PM - Re: Health issues (Tim Willis)
    33. 06:10 PM - Re: ELTs (Jack)
    34. 06:19 PM - Re: weekend cowl work (Gary Boothe)
    35. 07:22 PM - Re: weekend cowl work (shad bell)
    36. 07:32 PM - Re: weekend cowl work (Michael Groah)
    37. 07:39 PM - Re: Douwe's Piet (shad bell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:57:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Douwe, I am so sorry to hear of this terrible news. Thank God nobody was hurt. I can only imagine the anguish and numbness you must feel at this point. Ye sterday was not good here either. That stupid wind got ahold of my Aeronca tail, swung around and knocked off the weight I had on the Piet aft fusel age. The fuse swung around and went up on its nose and the crank flange du g into the asphalt. Now I have fuse damage to my newly-painted Piet to rep air. Engine looks to be alright. Not nearly as bad as yours, I consider myself lucky. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Sent: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 5:47 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( hlink.net> Well, good news and bad news... Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when oming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked n touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what ould have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an nconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of he runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing orward and flipped her on her back. Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell ot away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough houlder harness I installed, please do this everybody) Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back n a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and tr y o figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what eld up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact . I really don't know what else to say at this point... Douwe ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== ===========


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    Time: 05:58:02 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Douwe's piet...:(
    You knew I'd chime in, of course. I've been down that road myself. I sent Corky payment for 41CC on June 4, 2004 but wasn't able to make my first flight in the airplane until February 4, 2007... nearly 3 years later. I spent quite a bit of that time rebuilding and repairing the airplane after the nose-over and resulting damage, I learned a lot, enjoyed all of the experience except for the thirty seconds on the phone when Charlie called me from out in the brush telling me he'd bent the airplane, and the sixty seconds it took for me to look the damaged airplane over when I finally got to see it, all banged up. There was never a doubt that I'd make the repairs and fly it. And it sure is fun to fly a Piet! That's the carrot. Some people who experience a crunch just never recover and decide to walk away. That thought never entered my mind... I couldn't bear to leave a perfectly good, wounded Piet to someone else's hands to repair. You get up, dust yourself off, and make a list of things that need attention. Later you refine the list to things that affect airworthiness and things that are mostly cosmetic, then you start working on the list. I still have the list that I made less than an hour after I first saw my banged-up bird. The paper is grimy and smudged, but each item is now lined through or checked off... Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net


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    Time: 06:50:10 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Douwe, This is not the way I intended to inform the group I'll be selling my Piet. Three weeks ago, during a routine check-up, I was found to have (what their calling) a rare, non-treatable cancer. Well guess what, I'M NOT GIVING UP!! I WILL BEAT IT! I refuse to just lay down and give up all my dreams and everything I've worked so hard for. Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve to own or fly a Piet. Gene In beautiful Tennessee N502R > <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Well, good news and bad news... > > Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. > > After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when > coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him > crooked > on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what > would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an > inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of > the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing > forward and flipped her on her back. > > Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell > got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the > tough > shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) > > Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back > in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and > try > to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. > > Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what > held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through > intact. > > I really don't know what else to say at this point... > > Douwe > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:32:00


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    Time: 07:41:41 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    "Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve to own or fly a Piet." I feel for both of you fine people. Life can be very cruel at times, I don't think people need to be.


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    Time: 07:48:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Ribs Available
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    Hi Gang I have acquired a full set of Piet ribs built by, I believe, Charlie Rubek. They are not new by any means but look to be serviceable. The only thing is that the spar spacing is 30 inches. I haven't measured carefully but it looks as if the rear spar was moved back so the ailerons would be slightly undersized. Will take more careful measurements if needed. If anyone wants or needs them, I can bring them to SunnFun. I'm asking the exact price I paid which was 1 (one) handshake. They have a lovely patina and would make excellent display pieces if you didn't want to use them for real. If anyone is interested, let me know. I'll post pics if I can before SnF. Dave Aldrich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293038#293038


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    Time: 07:52:13 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Douwe's piet...:(
    It's called, "Kick-in-the-Butt Therapy." Considering the news that Gene just announced, I think he gets a 'Pass'. Best wishes, Gene. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 7:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( "Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve to own or fly a Piet." I feel for both of you fine people. Life can be very cruel at times, I don't think people need to be.


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    Time: 08:08:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Douwe, Do we need that inspector again ? or is once enough ? Pieti Lowell w/ shin scratches and damaged EGO. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293043#293043


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    Time: 09:12:29 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Douwe's piet...:(
    Douwe Sorry to hear this news. Don't worry, you are not the first to do this or will be the last.(I'll tell you my story sometime) Maybe take a couple of weeks away from it, then get back in with the repairs. This just adds another chapter to your "building a Pietenpol" book. Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( --> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Well, good news and bad news... Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing forward and flipped her on her back. Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact. I really don't know what else to say at this point... Douwe


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    Time: 09:42:53 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Man, is this a "bad news" thread or what?. Here I was, feeling sorry for myself that, for the first time in eight years, I would not be able to attend Brodhead this summer (due to family commitments). My disappointment pales in comparison to what others are suffering through today. I'll stop whining now. First off, that must have been incredibly disappointing, Douwe. But, as you say, the good news is that no one was hurt. Keep in mind Jack's story of overcoming a very similar mishap, and then going on to be awarded a prize for outstanding workmanship at Oshkosh. When you do get everything put back together, make sure you don't use any stainless steel wool pads for carb heat. And Dan, there are few things more aggravating than having to "fix" something that wasn't quite finished yet. Kind of like that first "ding" in a new car. And finally, Gene. What can I say other than all of our thoughts are with you as you begin your battle. Your attitude will be your strongest asset. Hang in there. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293058#293058


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    Time: 09:53:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Gene, I am so sorry to hear of your health dilema. Many of our unforseen problem s here on this earth can only take consolation in knowing that God is in control. We are only here for the ride. I will be praying that He has it in His plan to heal you, and good will come from the whole situation. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 8:49 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( cable.net> Douwe, This is not the way I intended to inform the group I'll be selling my Piet. Three weeks ago, during a routine check-up, I was found to have (what their calling) a rare, non-treatable cancer. Well guess what, I'M NOT GIVING UP!! I WILL BEAT IT! I refuse to just lay down and give up all my dreams and everything I've worked so hard for. Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve to ow n or fly a Piet. Gene In beautiful Tennessee N502R > <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Well, good news and bad news... > > Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. > > After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when > coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him > cr ooked > on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what > would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an > inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of > the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing > forward and flipped her on her back. > > Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowe ll > got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the > tough > shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) > > Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go bac k > in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and > try > to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. > > Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and wha t > held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through > in tact. > > I really don't know what else to say at this point... > > Douwe > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 18:32:00 ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============


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    Time: 10:04:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    From: Pastor Mike Townsley <allischalmersguy@gmail.com>
    Gene, Dan relayed my thoughts exactly. God loves you and look to Him. Sincerely Mike Townsley On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:52 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote: > Gene, > > I am so sorry to hear of your health dilema. Many of our unforseen problems > here on this earth can only take consolation in knowing that God is in > control. We are only here for the ride. I will be praying that He has it in > His plan to heal you, and good will come from the whole situation. > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene & Tammy <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Mon, Apr 5, 2010 8:49 am > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( > > zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> > > Douwe, This is not the way I intended to inform the group I'll be selling > my Piet. Three weeks ago, during a routine check-up, I was found to have > (what their calling) a rare, non-treatable cancer. Well guess what, I'M NOT > GIVING UP!! I WILL BEAT IT! I refuse to just lay down and give up all my > dreams and everything I've worked so hard for. > Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve to own > or fly a Piet. > Gene In beautiful Tennessee > N502R > > > > <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > > > Well, good news and bad news... > > > > Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. > > > > After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when > > coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him > > crooked > > on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what > > would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an > > inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side > of > > the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing > > forward and flipped her on her back. > > > > Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that > Lowell > > got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the > > tough > > shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) > > > > Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go > back > > in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and > > try > > to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. > > > > Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and > what > > held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through > > intact. > > > > I really don't know what else to say at this point... > > > > Douwe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > 18:32:00 > > =================================== > target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > =================================== > ://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 10:08:03 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Michael, I just reread my post and I guess your right, I was a little heavy handed. I didn't intend it that way, I was just trying to let Douwe know that bad things do happen but if we don't give up, good things can happen. If you give up, then only bad happens. I apologize to Douwe and everyone else if I came across wrong. It's so easy to give up and sometimes so hard to go on. I'm just not a quitter and would hate to see someone like Douwe, who has worked so hard, give up. In my mind, it would be much more cruel to Douwe if we all just told him how bad we felt for him and let him give up, than if we were to motivate him to move forward. Sometimes we all need a kick in the butt, at least I do. My Apologies to all I offended, no cruelness intended Gene N502R ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( "Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve to own or fly a Piet." I feel for both of you fine people. Life can be very cruel at times, I don't think people need to be. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/05/10 06:32:00


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    Time: 11:28:29 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Obfuscatory perambulation
    The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' Corvair Society (CS) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him. http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg The real story is as follows: Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were introducing. Stinemetze N328X


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    Time: 11:44:41 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Obfuscatory perambulation
    Yeah. what he said. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 11:25 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Obfuscatory perambulation The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' Corvair Society (CS=C2=B2) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him. http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg The real story is as follows: Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were introducing. Stinemetze N328X


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    Time: 11:47:50 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Corvair Project for Sale
    Listers: As promised, I now have an early phase Corvair project for sale since I purchased the "ready to assemble" project offered by Ryan Mueller. You can browse my photos and descriptions via the attached link. You may also hit the "UP" link in the left-hand menu bar to see much of the earlier postings and work. The current asking price is $600 or $550 if you do not want the original cast exhaust logs. The cost breakdown is as follows: Original engine core - $100 Heads and crank machine work - $450 Rebuilt harmonic balancer - $90 (Clarks Corvair) Full set new hydraulic lifters - $65 (eBay auction, California Corvairs) Cast Exhaust Logs - $50 - (eBay auction) As you can see, I am not asking what I now have in the engine, nor am I asking anything for my own labor so far. I would like to have the space for the new project, however, as my tiny shop doesn't have the room for two engines at the same time. If you are interested, contact me offline. Tom Stinemetze toms@mcpcity.com http://www.eaa1344.com/corvair.htm


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    Time: 11:58:43 AM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Douwe's Piet
    Douwe- - That really bites!!! Don't be a John Greenlee and stuff it in a corner then come and mope around Brodhead every year feeling sorry for yourself. (ARE YOU LISTENING, JOHN??) - Maybe just bring the pieces back home one at a time and redo them. Soon you will have all the pieces fixed and be ready to rock again.-Just don't gi ve up, it's so easy to do but not a good decision in the long run. Get back on that horse, man!! - I'll be in the neighborhood in a couple of weeks to get you cranked up. - Larry W.=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 01:29:00 PM PST US
    From: Mike King <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: ELTs
    Quick question. What is the current requirement for ELT? Do experimental planes "require" an ELT? My 12 year old went bad and will probably replace it with new technology but what is the requirement regarding ELTs.? Thank guys... Mike King GN-1 77K Corpus Christi


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    Time: 01:29:30 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
    Tom, Thanks. Have I had fun with this, back into former colleagues at AT&T Labs. This guys is Cliff Claven on steroids. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Apr 5, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Obfuscatory perambulation The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' Corvair Society (CS) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him. http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg The real story is as follows: Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were introducing. Stinemetze N328X


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    Time: 01:49:05 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: ELTs
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Experimental aircraft are required to have ELT's, unless for some reason you are exempt per FAR 91.207: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/0ca5c0070bd29144862569cf005f1030!OpenDocument&ExpandSection=2 <http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/0ca5c0070bd29144862569cf005f1030!OpenDocument&ExpandSection=2>Odds are you don't fall into one of the exempt categories, so you would have to have one. Here is an article from EAA explaining where the ELT situation sits today: http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-01-29_elt.asp Ryan <http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-01-29_elt.asp> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Mike King <mikek120@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Quick question. What is the current requirement for ELT? Do experimental > planes "require" an ELT? > > My 12 year old went bad and will probably replace it with new technology > but what is the requirement regarding ELTs.? > > > Thank guys... > > Mike King > GN-1 > 77K > Corpus Christi > >


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    Time: 01:50:30 PM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Ha, ha, Mike Cuy, ha, ha! How did you get Douwe's account information so you could send this cruel, CRUEL joke email. Man, April Fool's is so 4 days ago! "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, grblble... won't be fooled again!" Or, something like that... Ok, ok. Enough from the Peanut Gallery. Douwe, get back to work. We're behind you and we'll expect to see regular progress reports. Yeah, it's painful, you get scraped knees when you learn to ride a bike. You came this far, you can do another mile. Gene, I'm so, so sorry to hear about the cancer. I know you said it was untreatable - is your doctor aware of, or think that it could be treated by neutron or proton therapy? Fermilab has a neutron therapy facility and Loma Linda does proton treatments (the accelerator was developed by Fermi people). Dan On 04/04/2010 05:47 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Well, good news and bad news... > > Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. > > After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when > coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked > on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what > would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an > inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of > the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing > forward and flipped her on her back. > > Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell > got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough > shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) > > Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back > in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try > to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. > > Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what > held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact. > > I really don't know what else to say at this point... > > Douwe > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 02:04:30 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject:
    We could only wish for Douwe that his post was an April Fool's Day joke. That would have been the best thing we could have heard is that it didn't actually happen. Well with faith, ALL things ARE possible including the healing of Gene's medical issues and the repairing of Douwe's Piet, Dan Helsper's damage, and any other things that need attention so I for one am rooting for all of you by faith. Mike C.


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    Time: 02:35:51 PM PST US
    From: Mike King <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: ELTs
    Ryan, Thanks for the response and the info. I will be shopping for an ELT this week. Thanks again. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Apr 5, 2010 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELTs Experimental aircraft are required to have ELT's, unless for some reason you are exempt per FAR 91.207: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/0ca5c0070bd29144862569cf005f1030!OpenDocument&ExpandSection=2 Odds are you don't fall into one of the exempt categories, so you would have to have one. Here is an article from EAA explaining where the ELT situation sits today: http://www.eaa.org/news/2009/2009-01-29_elt.asp Ryan On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Mike King <mikek120@mindspring.com> wrote: Quick question. What is the current requirement for ELT? Do experimental planes "require" an ELT? My 12 year old went bad and will probably replace it with new technology but what is the requirement regarding ELTs.? Thank guys... Mike King GN-1 77K Corpus Christi ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ==========


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    Time: 03:29:26 PM PST US
    From: "walt" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Dan, Sorry, I came in late,,,is this for real? I guess I didn't get the joke. Wow. Let me know, please walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Yocum To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( Ha, ha, Mike Cuy, ha, ha! How did you get Douwe's account information so you could send this cruel, CRUEL joke email. Man, April Fool's is so 4 days ago! "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, grblble... won't be fooled again!" Or, something like that... Ok, ok. Enough from the Peanut Gallery. Douwe, get back to work. We're behind you and we'll expect to see regular progress reports. Yeah, it's painful, you get scraped knees when you learn to ride a bike. You came this far, you can do another mile. Gene, I'm so, so sorry to hear about the cancer. I know you said it was untreatable - is your doctor aware of, or think that it could be treated by neutron or proton therapy? Fermilab has a neutron therapy facility and Loma Linda does proton treatments (the accelerator was developed by Fermi people). Dan On 04/04/2010 05:47 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"<douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Well, good news and bad news... > > Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty smashed up. > > After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and when > coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got him crooked > on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, what > would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due to an > inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off the side of > the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced the wing > forward and flipped her on her back. > > Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful that Lowell > got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for the tough > shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) > > Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll go back > in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take stock and try > to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. > > Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way and what > held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came through intact. > > I really don't know what else to say at this point... > > Douwe > > > > > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 03:47:51 PM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Hi Walt, Sorry. Mike tried to fool us on April 1st about his Piet getting dinged by his flying bicycle falling on it. I was just being a clown, trying to make light of the situation, blaming him that he was trying to pull another fast one on us. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. Lowell did ding Douwe Pietenpol. Lowell's ok, other than bruised ego and banged up shins. Gene has cancer. No joke there. I sure hope his doctor hasn't considered all the options... Ok, enough from me, I'm going to the back of the class. I'll be the one with the "dunce" cap on. Dan do not archive On 04/05/2010 05:28 PM, walt wrote: > Dan, > Sorry, I came in late,,,is this for real? > I guess I didn't get the joke. > Wow. > Let me know, please > walt evans > NX140DL > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Dan Yocum <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > <mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Monday, April 05, 2010 4:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's piet...:( > > <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>> > > Ha, ha, Mike Cuy, ha, ha! How did you get Douwe's account information > so you could send this cruel, CRUEL joke email. Man, April Fool's is so > 4 days ago! "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, grblble... > won't be fooled again!" Or, something like that... > > Ok, ok. Enough from the Peanut Gallery. > > Douwe, get back to work. We're behind you and we'll expect to see > regular progress reports. Yeah, it's painful, you get scraped knees > when you learn to ride a bike. You came this far, you can do another > mile. > > Gene, I'm so, so sorry to hear about the cancer. I know you said it was > untreatable - is your doctor aware of, or think that it could be > treated > by neutron or proton therapy? Fermilab has a neutron therapy facility > and Loma Linda does proton treatments (the accelerator was developed by > Fermi people). > > Dan > > > On 04/04/2010 05:47 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Blumberg"<douweblumberg@earthlink.net > <mailto:douweblumberg@earthlink.net>> > > > > Well, good news and bad news... > > > > Good news is Lowell is fine, bad news is my plane is pretty > smashed up. > > > > After some high speed runs and fiddling, Lowell popped her up and > when > > coming down got caught by a pretty good surprise gust which got > him crooked > > on touchdown, initiating a fairly mild groundloop. Unfortunately, > what > > would have been a minor groundloop turned into major disaster due > to an > > inconveniently placed three foot deep muddy drainage ditch off > the side of > > the runway. This smashed the gear, smashed the prop, displaced > the wing > > forward and flipped her on her back. > > > > Considering the whallop she took in the ditch, we are grateful > that Lowell > > got away with nothing more than some bucked shins. (thank God for > the tough > > shoulder harness I installed, please do this everybody) > > > > Got a crane, put her in the hanger, had lunch and went home. I'll > go back > > in a few days once the reality sets in and I stop crying, take > stock and try > > to figure out if I have the "gumption" left to rebuild her. > > > > Learned a lot about building practices from seeing what gave way > and what > > held up. Interesting note, the wood struts and cabanes came > through intact. > > > > I really don't know what else to say at this point... > > > > Douwe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov <mailto:yocum@fnal.gov>, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty p; > Features Chat, http://www.matnbsp; via the Web > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> > _p; generous bsp; > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c================ > > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 04:35:36 PM PST US
    From: Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Gene & Tammy wrote: > <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net> > > Douwe, This is not the way I intended to inform the group I'll be > selling my Piet. Three weeks ago, during a routine check-up, I was > found to have (what their calling) a rare, non-treatable cancer. > Well guess what, I'M NOT GIVING UP!! I WILL BEAT IT! I refuse to > just lay down and give up all my dreams and everything I've worked so > hard for. > Douwe, if you give up and don't repair the damage, you don't deserve > to own or fly a Piet. > Gene In beautiful Tennessee > N502R > > Gene, Find a cancer center. My father goes to Giesinger in Philly. About 11 years ago they diagnosed him with prostate cancer that had started to spread. They told him that the goal was to keep him alive for 5 years. He still has cancer but is in an experimental program and planning to take my son turkey hunting next month. Dave N36078


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    Time: 04:41:41 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Obfuscatory perambulation
    I think Homey works here at NASA now. - Do not archive


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    Time: 04:44:08 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: ELTs
    Short answer is to quote FAR 91.207: "...no person may operate a US registered civil airplane unless there is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition... Exceptions include ferrying a newly acquired airplane to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be installed; aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50 nm radius of the airport from which such flight operations began;..." Also excluded are crop dusters, single seat airplanes, and any airplane in which the ELT was removed for repair, but you can't do this for more than 90 days. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike King Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELTs Quick question. What is the current requirement for ELT? Do experimental planes "require" an ELT? My 12 year old went bad and will probably replace it with new technology but what is the requirement regarding ELTs.? Thank guys... Mike King GN-1 77K Corpus Christi


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    Time: 04:58:28 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's piet...:(
    Gene, no harm done, understandable with your situation. I don't know what t o say to you about that regard. No words seem to be fitting. I have a skin issue that prevents me from being in the sun because exposure increases my skin cancer threat by some outrageous number. I have to fully cover up and wear sunscreen. (I hate the way sunscreen feels.) Cancer may very well be i n my future and to hear it hit people that I know...even very little...puts that knot in my stomach. - As for Douwe, I felt he was getting kicked while already down and I didn't think that was right. He has spent many an hour and dollar on his plane ove r the years, (I assume) and I didn't think he should be cast out because hi s plane crashed and he now had no motivation to fix it.- - Douwe, I was not going to reply to your post just because I felt that you n eeded time to reflect and decide for YOURSELF what would be best for YOU. - I would hate to see you do something because you felt obligated to by t he opinions of others.- Once you take some time, the answer will present itself and when it does, you will know what to do next. - Good luck to both of you Gentlemen and do keep us informed of your situatio ns...Pietenpol related or not.-


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    Time: 05:41:47 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: weekend cowl work
    =0A=0AI just thought I'd post some pics of the work we got done on the cowl this past weekend.-- So far we just have the nose, top and bottom roug hed in.- We will get to the sides in time.- We have masking tape on the intake and cooling scoops to keep from scratching them.- We're no metal experts, but we should be able to hack a cowl out of this.--Anyways, I -just thought I'd share our progress.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A =0A=0A


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    Time: 05:51:34 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: weekend cowl work
    Looking good, Mike! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 8:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work I just thought I'd post some pics of the work we got done on the cowl this past weekend. So far we just have the nose, top and bottom roughed in. We will get to the sides in time. We have masking tape on the intake and cooling scoops to keep from scratching them. We're no metal experts, but we should be able to hack a cowl out of this. Anyways, I just thought I'd share our progress. Mike Groah Tulare CA


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    Time: 05:52:01 PM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Health issues
    I want to thank everyone that, both on and off list, sent me their well wishes and prayers. I believe very strongly in God and believe he has a lot more in store for me. I'm a fighter and have made things happen for myself all my life. I will do fine. Enough with all the bad news, let's get on with building and flying Pietenpols (and that means you too Douwe). Prayers most welcome Thank you Gene In Beautiful Tennessee N502R To all that responded off list, I will respond to each of you in the next several days, after I return from the hospital.


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    Time: 05:57:33 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Health issues
    Great reply, great attitude, great belief. Expect great results. God bless you, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Gene & Tammy Sent: Apr 5, 2010 8:50 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Health issues I want to thank everyone that, both on and off list, sent me their well wishes and prayers. I believe very strongly in God and believe he has a lot more in store for me. I'm a fighter and have made things happen for myself all my life. I will do fine. Enough with all the bad news, let's get on with building and flying Pietenpols (and that means you too Douwe). Prayers most welcome Thank you Gene In Beautiful Tennessee N502R To all that responded off list, I will respond to each of you in the next several days, after I return from the hospital.


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    Time: 06:10:44 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: ELTs
    Jack, THANK YOU for the translation! The government does everything to excess, with no clear direction and reason. Jack DSM Do not archive <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Short answer is to quote FAR 91.207: "...no person may operate a US registered civil airplane unless there is attached to the airplane an approved automatic type emergency locator transmitter that is in operable condition... Exceptions include ferrying a newly acquired airplane to a place where the emergency locator transmitter is to be installed; aircraft while engaged in training operations conducted entirely within a 50 nm radius of the airport from which such flight operations began;..." Also excluded are crop dusters, single seat airplanes, and any airplane in which the ELT was removed for repair, but you can't do this for more than 90 days. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike King Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELTs Quick question. What is the current requirement for ELT? Do experimental planes "require" an ELT? My 12 year old went bad and will probably replace it with new technology but what is the requirement regarding ELTs.? Thank guys... Mike King GN-1 77K Corpus Christi


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    Time: 06:19:34 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: weekend cowl work
    Looking good, Mike! I'm curious about the initial piece on the bottom of the nose bowl. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work I just thought I'd post some pics of the work we got done on the cowl this past weekend. So far we just have the nose, top and bottom roughed in. We will get to the sides in time. We have masking tape on the intake and cooling scoops to keep from scratching them. We're no metal experts, but we should be able to hack a cowl out of this. Anyways, I just thought I'd share our progress. Mike Groah Tulare CA


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    Time: 07:22:35 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: weekend cowl work
    OHHHHHH GEEEEEEEEZZZZ, Is that a corvair? Looks great!, keep up the good work. Shad


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    Time: 07:32:00 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: weekend cowl work
    That initial piece or little chin angle is a result of my wanting a smaller nose area, but having to get around the engine and mount. That little ang led area allows me to get around that lower area. When designing my cowl I had a list of wants. I wanted as small a nose bowl as possible while stil l enclosing the front starter/ring gear. I also wanted to have a rounded bottom. If I had done the square/flat bottom that many other corvair-piets have then I wouldn't have needed the chin angle and things would have been easier to fabricate. (I seem to like to make things as hard as possible w henever I can). I kinda like how the faceted lower section came out, and i t's my airplane, so I only have to please myself. :)=0AObviously everythin g is still very rough and in need of a lot of cutting and fitting. =0A=0AMi ke Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boo the <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, April 5, 2010 6:14:00 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work =0A=0A =0ALooking good, Mike! I=99m curious about the initial piece o n=0Athe bottom of the nose bowl.=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ACool, CA=0APietenpol =0AWW Corvair Conversion=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A18 ribs done=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com=0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol -list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael=0AGroah=0ASent: Monday, Ap ril 05, 2010 5:35 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Pietenpo l-List: weekend cowl work=0A =0A =0AI just thought I'd post some pics of th e work we got done on=0Athe cowl this past weekend. So far we just have t he nose, top and=0Abottom roughed in. We will get to the sides in time. W e have=0Amasking tape on the intake and cooling scoops to keep from scratch ing=0Athem. We're no metal experts, but we should be able to hack a cowl o ut of=0Athis. Anyways, I just thought I'd share our progress. =0A =0AMike =========================0A ======0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 07:39:26 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Douwe's Piet
    Dowue, As my Grand Dad always said, "Once a job has once begun, never leave it till it's done. Be the labor great, or small, do it right or not at all." It aint nothin you ain't done before, you just have to peel some fabric, and scrape off some varnish before you put the glue on this time. At least you got yours taxing before it got broke, I broke a wing pannel when it fell off my work bench, with 20 lbs of bar clamps on it. Not to beat the drum, but No one was hurt bad and your still both here to tell the story and that IS what is important, Dad and I lost a good friend last summer who's out come was not as fortunate, so in in my utmost sincerity I am glad you and Lowell ar OK. Fix'er up and try again. Shad




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