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1. 04:35 AM - Re: New England pietenpol (Jim Ash)
2. 06:04 AM - alcohol (skellytown flyer)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: ELT - EPIRB Shopping (hvandervoo@aol.com)
4. 07:18 AM - Re: Mike Groah--your side door (Rick Holland)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: ELT - EPIRB Shopping (Ryan Mueller)
6. 10:38 AM - GN-1 project for sale (bryan green)
7. 11:06 AM - Piet project for sale (Ryan Mueller)
8. 11:15 AM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (coxwelljon)
9. 11:23 AM - Re: PIetenpol Wood (coxwelljon)
10. 11:33 AM - Re: weekend cowl work (Rick Holland)
11. 11:33 AM - Re: Piet project for sale (Ryan Mueller)
12. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (Rick Holland)
13. 11:43 AM - Re: Piet project for sale (rgow@avionicsdesign.ca)
14. 11:45 AM - Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! (Rick Holland)
15. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (Ryan Mueller)
16. 11:51 AM - Re: Piet project for sale (Ryan Mueller)
17. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (Doug Dever)
18. 12:00 PM - Re: Mike Groah--your side door (gtche98)
19. 12:01 PM - Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! (Ryan Mueller)
20. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (William Colleran)
21. 12:13 PM - Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
22. 12:43 PM - Re: Re: Mike Groah--your side door (Michael Groah)
23. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (Wayne Bressler)
24. 01:18 PM - Re: GN-1 project for sale (Jeff wilson)
25. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: New England pietenpol (Michael Silvius)
26. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (Rick Holland)
27. 02:24 PM - Re: Mixing t-88 (shad bell)
28. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (shad bell)
29. 02:32 PM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Paul N. Peckham)
30. 02:52 PM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (TOM STINEMETZE)
31. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Re: Mike Groah--your side door (Jim)
32. 02:55 PM - Re: Mixing t-88 (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
33. 03:03 PM - Re: Mixing t-88 (Ben Charvet)
34. 03:11 PM - Re: GN-1 project for sale (ivan.todorovic)
35. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (David Paule)
36. 04:43 PM - Re: Mixing t-88 (gcardinal)
37. 04:51 PM - Re: Mixing t-88 (K5YAC)
38. 04:57 PM - Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 (K5YAC)
39. 05:03 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (Don Emch)
40. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: PIetenpol Wood (Doug Bowman)
41. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Ryan Mueller)
42. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 (Ryan Mueller)
43. 06:33 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (Skip Gadd)
44. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (John Recine)
45. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (John Recine)
46. 09:17 PM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Bill Church)
47. 09:37 PM - Re: Re: Re: Mike Groah--your side door (Jim)
48. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Gary Boothe)
49. 10:06 PM - Re: Re: Re: Mike Groah--your side door (Gary Boothe)
50. 10:11 PM - beauty (jorge lizarraga)
51. 10:21 PM - Re: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (shad bell)
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| Subject: | Re: New England pietenpol |
There was a guy named Don Mains, in Limington, Maine. I was given his name by somebody
else, so I haven't met him personally yet. He's got a Piet (and a Staggerwing)
listed on the online databases.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: William Colleran <bcolleran@comcast.net>
>Sent: Apr 6, 2010 8:19 PM
>To: Pietenpol <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New England pietenpol
>
>
>Hey all looking to see if there is any pietenpols in new England?
>
>Bill
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Well this might help if you run car gas.nothing close enough for me and I'll probably
stay with avgas.the link show what are supposed to be stations selling
alcohol free gas across the U.S.
http://pure-gas.org/
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| Subject: | Re: ELT - EPIRB Shopping |
My Piet was Inspected and passed without one. (2005)
My Inspector did make the comment; get one before you take passengers up.
By law you are not required to have one if you are the onlyone onboard
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping
I have a vague recollection of this question 15(?) years ago when I went
to take
he Cub out without one. IIRC, there was a loophole in the law that allowed
for
training flights' without one. There was also a 25nm limit. There were som
e
ther restrictions, too; training flights are not required to have an
nstructor, but cannot carry a passenger.
Based on this, I'm thinking the summary answer is 'no'.
On the less legal and more practical side, if you expect your inspector to
be
icky and he says you need one, I don't think I'd have the nerve to shove
the
aw in his face as he's signing off your plane. You're gonna need one anyho
w. If
conomics are an issue, borrow one for the day and 'temporarily' mount it.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Apr 6, 2010 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping
Is an ELT required for a Piet to pass an airworthiness inspection?
rick
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mike King <mikek120@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hey gang,
>
> I have to replace my 12 year old ECK Technologies ELT. Since 121.5 is
not
onitored
> by satellites, I am now in the market for a 406 MHz transmitter or a
ombination of
> 406 / 121.5 transmission.
>
> I looked online at Aircraft Spruce and Wag Aero and saw the high priced
fferings.
>
> Has anyone bought an ELT lately and if so, where and how much are they
sking.
>
> Thanks in advance for the info.
>
> Mike King
> 77MK
> GN-1
> Corpus Christi, Texas
>
>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Groah--your side door |
Wow, beatiful workmanship Mike. And that MSD coil switch I see there makes
me think that you may be a potential CSCS member.
rick
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
> John ,
>
> We used the Kerri Ann Price door plan. I don't know the contact info on
> her anymore, although it seems like she did a post of her contact info not
> too long back. I did a quick archive search but didn't find it. Maybe
> someone else on the list can provide that. I've attached a pic that shows
> the inside of the fuselage on the door side. You can find some pics of the
> structure from the outside without the plywood on westcoastpiet.com (just
> look under my name in the pictures section).
> If you have any other questions, just ask... I'll try my best to answer
> them.
>
> Mike Groah
> ------------------------------
> *From:* John Fay <jfay1950@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, April 6, 2010 6:40:07 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Mike Groah--your side door
>
> Mike,
>
> I have a quick question about the side door on your fuselage. How did you
> engineer that to maintain the required fuselage strength, or did you use
> plans from someone else?
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: ELT - EPIRB Shopping |
Well, technically it reads:
"Aircraft equipped to carry not more than one person",
So with an Air Camper you really can't use the logic that you only fly by
yourself, because the aircraft still has two cockpits and is equipped to
carry a passenger. If you had a Sky Scout, you'd be good to go, since you
can only have one 'pit for people.
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:33 AM, <hvandervoo@aol.com> wrote:
> My Piet was Inspected and passed without one. (2005)
>
> My Inspector did make the comment; get one before you take passengers up.
>
> By law you are not required to have one if you are the onlyone onboard
>
> Hans
>
> NX15KV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 12:58 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping
>
>
> I have a vague recollection of this question 15(?) years ago when I went to take
> the Cub out without one. IIRC, there was a loophole in the law that allowed for
> 'training flights' without one. There was also a 25nm limit. There were some
> other restrictions, too; training flights are not required to have an
> instructor, but cannot carry a passenger.
>
> Based on this, I'm thinking the summary answer is 'no'.
>
> On the less legal and more practical side, if you expect your inspector to be
> picky and he says you need one, I don't think I'd have the nerve to shove the
> law in his face as he's signing off your plane. You're gonna need one anyhow.
If
> economics are an issue, borrow one for the day and 'temporarily' mount it.
>
> Jim Ash
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com
> >
> >Sent: Apr 6, 2010 12:41 PM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT - EPIRB Shopping
> >
> >
> >Is an ELT required for a Piet to pass an airworthiness inspection?
> >
> >rick
> >
> >On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Mike King <mikek120@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hey gang,
> >>
> >> I have to replace my 12 year old ECK Technologies ELT. Since 121.5 is not
> monitored
> >> by satellites, I am now in the market for a 406 MHz transmitter or a
> combination of
> >> 406 / 121.5 transmission.
> >>
> >> I looked online at Aircraft Spruce and Wag Aero and saw the high priced
> offerings.
> >>
> >> Has anyone bought an ELT lately and if so, where and how much are they
> asking.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for the info.
> >>
> >> Mike King
> >> 77MK
> >> GN-1
> >> Corpus Christi, Texas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Rick Holland
> >Castle Rock, Colorado
> >
> >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | GN-1 project for sale |
After a lot of thought I have decided to sell my rebuild project. I will
not go into reasons hear but will respond off list. Have GN-1 N1736 for
$2000.00 and a Corvair engine disassembled for $1000.00 with new parts
worth more then that. I also have a converted boat trailer for $600.00.
I will post photos and inventory list on Yahoo GN-1 site tomorrow
sometime. Can be delivered for agreed upon expenses paid in advance and
non-refundable.
Bryan Green
Elgin SC
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| Subject: | Piet project for sale |
Our Piet project is for sale. We are asking $750. It consists of a basic fuselage,
horizontal stab, two wing panels (Charlie Rubeck ribs on spars, aileron pieces
installed), and many of the metal parts (landing gear vees, most all control
system components, various fittings).
The fuselage needs the bottom sheet of ply replaced (too thin) and a repair to
one longeron. It is located near Elgin, IL. It needs to go by May 1. Please contact
me if your interested, and I can provide further info and pictures. Thanks,
Ryan
rmueller23@gmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 |
I may consider an m-cycle trip to your spot. It will take some convincing of my
spouse, however. She rides also and went with me to Brodhead last year. This
trip would be about 1/2 the distance. We would just need a place to pitch
3 person backpack tent and park 2 m-cycles. I will definitely be interested if
there is going to be a good show of airplanes to look at. The more I do on
the GN-1 the more questions I have.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squeezing
mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct.
I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifications. One
of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean
them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal
and probably reduce glue waste.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: weekend cowl work |
Thank you. Cutting the slots was real easy on a router table after drilling
starter holes. Figured it wouldn't hurt to let a little more air in.
rick
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wow... hey I missed the attached pic when I read Rick's email while I was
> at work. That is a really nice looking cowling. Are they louvers or rol
led
> beads in that nose?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tue, April 6, 2010 4:35:57 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work
>
> Rick,
>
>
> I like your =91louvers=92 in the nose!
>
>
> Gary Boothe
>
> Cool, CA
>
> Pietenpol
>
> WW Corvair Conversion
>
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>
> 18 ribs done
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rick Holland
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 06, 2010 9:53 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: weekend cowl work
>
>
> Nice Mike, like the rounded bottom, kind of like the original Model A
> cowling. I was lazy and made mine flat on the bottom like most CSCS
> builders.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I just thought I'd post some pics of the work we got done on the cowl thi
s
> past weekend. So far we just have the nose, top and bottom roughed in.
We
> will get to the sides in time. We have masking tape on the intake and
> cooling scoops to keep from scratching them. We're no metal experts, but
we
> should be able to hack a cowl out of this. Anyways, I just thought I'd
> share our progress.
>
>
> Mike Groah
>
> Tulare CA
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale |
Forgot to attach a few pics....sorry. :P
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
The alternative to that is measure by weight. I use a digital postal scale,
and non-waxed tiny paper cups from the grocery store. Measurement by weight
is not 50/50 as is measurement by volume.
rick
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:23 PM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>wrote:
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
>
> I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been
> squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the
> proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just
> making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and
> came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him.
> They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale |
I am interested if the wings are finished.
------Original Message------
From: Ryan Mueller
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale
Sent: Apr 7, 2010 2:06 PM
Our Piet project is for sale. We are asking $750. It consists of a basic fuselage,
horizontal stab, two wing panels (Charlie Rubeck ribs on spars, aileron pieces
installed), and many of the metal parts (landing gear vees, most all control
system components, various fittings).
The fuselage needs the bottom sheet of ply replaced (too thin) and a repair to
one longeron. It is located near Elgin, IL. It needs to go by May 1. Please contact
me if your interested, and I can provide further info and pictures. Thanks,
Ryan
rmueller23@gmail.com
Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! |
That is great, arthroscopic surgery on a Piet wing. I think the most
important lesson I have learned from Douwe's Piet mishap is to find a runway
to do initial flight testing with nothing but totally flat land in every
direction for hundreds of yards in every direction. No fences, ditches,
walls, rock piles, etc.
Would love to attend a wing raising party Douwe. I am in Colorado but travel
to Dayton periodically on business if you are anywhere near there.
rick
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Excellent, Douwe!
>
> Shad is right, AC 43.13 will detail how the ribs should be repaired. I had
> one broken rib in my mishap and was able to repair it without removing the
> fabric (it helps to have worked for a company that made laparoscopic
> surgical instruments). If all the outboard ribs are borken you will
> probably have to remove the fabric, at least on that portion of the wing.
> That will make the actual rib repairs much easier. As Shad said, you can
> probably scarf the capstrips back together if they weren't splintered too
> badly and add 1/16" plywood gussets on either side of each rib.
>
> The lessons learned was very good. Very insightful and useful information
> based on real world experience. Thanks!
>
> Best of luck with the repairs. Let us know the date of the Wing Repair
> Party and if I can, I'll be there. Where are you located?
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Raleigh, NC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> Blumberg
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:17 PM
> To: pietenpolgroup
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
>
> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
> Okay, here goes...
>
> First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine
> letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I
> actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach.
>
> I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will
> absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start.
> Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next?
>
> The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing,
> outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was
> pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs
> from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine,
> just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see what
> it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a
> wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??)
>
> other fixes:
>
> Fix, recover and repaint left wing
> fin leading edge cracked
> various brace cables busted
> wheels, axle and brakes shot
> wing tank dented
> rad dented
> replace prop
> some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes
> cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead
> check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips hit
> until it turned over).
> some sheet metal repair.
> turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as
> Lowell hung there.
> try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse
> bent throttle rod at quadrant
> leaky fuel connection
> new diagonal cabane braces
>
> did I miss anything?....
>
> A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage.
> 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them,
> two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will
> use heavier next time.
>
> 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces, make
> them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank, or
> a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put.
>
> 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took
> up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly
> unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not
> saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different
> areas.
>
> 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short fuse
> and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch
> his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the
> seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the
> seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck
> injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone,
> but
> could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of
> the belt and harness.
>
> 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument
> panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his
> shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the
> bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them?
>
> 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their
> strength.
>
>
> thanks again guys!
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
No need to complicate things any more than necessary. You can mix T-88 easily enough
by eyeballing it. EAA's "How to Glue Gussets" video gives a very simple
method using a crushed pop can:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1431564069?bclid=1432790108&bctid=1485316095
Some popsicle sticks from the local craft store to mix and you are ready to go.
You can make a small test piece from scrap wood with your mixed batch of glue,
and you can destroy it later to test if you are at all worried about the quality
of your mix.
Ryan
On Apr 7, 2010, at 1:23 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>
> I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squeezing
mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct.
I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifications.
One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean
them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal
and probably reduce glue waste.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet project for sale |
As mentioned, the wings panels consist of ribs on spars, and aileron
compenents installed. They're not going to become any more finished than
that while I own it. Thanks,
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> wrote:
>
> I am interested if the wings are finished.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Ryan Mueller
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: Pietenpol List
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet project for sale
> Sent: Apr 7, 2010 2:06 PM
>
>
> Our Piet project is for sale. We are asking $750. It consists of a basic
> fuselage, horizontal stab, two wing panels (Charlie Rubeck ribs on spars,
> aileron pieces installed), and many of the metal parts (landing gear vees,
> most all control system components, various fittings).
>
> The fuselage needs the bottom sheet of ply replaced (too thin) and a repair
> to one longeron. It is located near Elgin, IL. It needs to go by May 1.
> Please contact me if your interested, and I can provide further info and
> pictures. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
> rmueller23@gmail.com
>
>
> Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
Check out the eaa video section on woodworking T-88 is not critical to rati
os.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIetenpol Wood
From: at7000ft@gmail.com
The alternative to that is measure by weight. I use a digital postal scale
=2C and non-waxed tiny paper cups from the grocery store. Measurement by we
ight is not 50/50 as is measurement by volume.
rick
On Wed=2C Apr 7=2C 2010 at 12:23 PM=2C coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.n
et> wrote:
net>
I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squ
eezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions
correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifica
tions. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a
way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to
be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste.
Jon Coxwell
--------
Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Groah--your side door |
Beautiful craftsmanship Mike. How much weight do you figure you saved by fluting
the wood in the fuselage? Did you flute the entire thing?
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| Subject: | Re: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! |
William Wynne wrote an interesting piece in his Corvair Flight Ops Manual
about making the first flight in your airplane, and he makes many good
points on how to go about it to do all you can ensure that it will be a safe
successful. I don't have it in front of me, but if I recall it some of the
things it mentions:
As Rick said, try to find a field in good condition, free of obstacles.
Try to avoid making the flight if the weather is not right, i.e. high winds,
high temp/humidity, etc.
If you find any issues with the airplane, address them and resolve to fly
another day....don't rush to fix them so you can make the flight that day.
Having a small group of people to assist, and be ready as the informal
crash/fire/rescue crew.
And so on, and so forth. It's a good read even if you're not going to use a
Corvair in your airplane.
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> That is great, arthroscopic surgery on a Piet wing. I think the most
> important lesson I have learned from Douwe's Piet mishap is to find a runway
> to do initial flight testing with nothing but totally flat land in every
> direction for hundreds of yards in every direction. No fences, ditches,
> walls, rock piles, etc.
>
> Would love to attend a wing raising party Douwe. I am in Colorado but
> travel to Dayton periodically on business if you are anywhere near there.
>
> rick
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
>
>> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Excellent, Douwe!
>>
>> Shad is right, AC 43.13 will detail how the ribs should be repaired. I
>> had
>> one broken rib in my mishap and was able to repair it without removing the
>> fabric (it helps to have worked for a company that made laparoscopic
>> surgical instruments). If all the outboard ribs are borken you will
>> probably have to remove the fabric, at least on that portion of the wing.
>> That will make the actual rib repairs much easier. As Shad said, you can
>> probably scarf the capstrips back together if they weren't splintered too
>> badly and add 1/16" plywood gussets on either side of each rib.
>>
>> The lessons learned was very good. Very insightful and useful information
>> based on real world experience. Thanks!
>>
>> Best of luck with the repairs. Let us know the date of the Wing Repair
>> Party and if I can, I'll be there. Where are you located?
>>
>> Jack Phillips
>> NX899JP
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
>> Blumberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:17 PM
>> To: pietenpolgroup
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Next steps or... HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
>>
>> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Okay, here goes...
>>
>> First of all, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for your genuine
>> letters of encouragement and sympathy. No feelings have been hurt, and I
>> actually appreciate the "kick in the pants" approach.
>>
>> I spent the morning going over the damage. The end result is that I will
>> absolutely rebuild her and plan on bringing her home this week to start.
>> Won't be at Brodhead this year, maybe next?
>>
>> The main damage that I am a bit unsure of how to fix is to the left wing,
>> outboard of the strut attach points. As it rolled, the leading edge was
>> pushed down and cracked the leading edge ribs and the bottom of the ribs
>> from the struts outward. The spars are fine and the leading edge is fine,
>> just the ribs are crunched. Just ordered the FAA repair manual to see
>> what
>> it has to say, and any suggestions would be appreciated. Anybody up for a
>> wing fixing party (Larry Williams, Gene??)
>>
>> other fixes:
>>
>> Fix, recover and repaint left wing
>> fin leading edge cracked
>> various brace cables busted
>> wheels, axle and brakes shot
>> wing tank dented
>> rad dented
>> replace prop
>> some bulkhead damage in pilot leg holes
>> cross brace busted loos behind pilot seatback bulkhead
>> check out engine (sure it's fine, didn't really hit, just the prop tips
>> hit
>> until it turned over).
>> some sheet metal repair.
>> turtle deck repair where shoulder harness pulled up and through fabric as
>> Lowell hung there.
>> try to match paint and repaint turtledeck to match rest of fuse
>> bent throttle rod at quadrant
>> leaky fuel connection
>> new diagonal cabane braces
>>
>> did I miss anything?....
>>
>> A few lessons learned from inspecting the damage.
>> 1. If you used 1/16th cable to brace your tail... double nicropress them,
>> two or three pulled out of the nico sleeve, and I had gauged them. I will
>> use heavier next time.
>>
>> 2. Don't try to save a couple ounces with the diagonal cabane braces,
>> make
>> them stout enough to keep the wing back because if you have a wing tank,
>> or
>> a passenger, you really want that wing to stay put.
>>
>> 3. The "Jenny" gear is as tough as BHP said it was, while the wheels took
>> up a lot of the impact, and were trashed, the basic gear is fairly
>> unscathed. I have no doubt the slit gear would have sheared off, I'm not
>> saying one is better than the other, they are just strong in different
>> areas.
>>
>> 4. USE GOOD SHOULDER HARNESS, AND ANCHOR IT WELL!! mine is the short
>> fuse
>> and you are right up to the instrument panel. Lowell didn't even scratch
>> his nose, yet he rebounded hard enough to break the brace behind the
>> seatback bulkhead. Thank God I spent a lot of effort here. Also, the
>> seatbelt held him in as he hung there and maybe prevented some nasty neck
>> injuries. This was just a simple ground loop that can happen to anyone,
>> but
>> could have been disasterous because of the ditch, but it wasn't because of
>> the belt and harness.
>>
>> 5. Lowell suggests, padding or rounding under the edge of the instrument
>> panel. When upside down, crawling out, that edge peeled some skin off his
>> shins which were already skinned by the tops of the leg apetures in the
>> bulkhead. Maybe enlarge these and pad them?
>>
>> 6. You guys building wood struts or cabanes, don't worry about their
>> strength.
>>
>>
>> thanks again guys!
>>
>> Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
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>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
Very good Idea. Not what I meant but I am glad you got a good laugh
out of it! I did!
On Apr 6, 2010, at 7:04 PM, walt wrote:
> Good one!
> walt evans
> NX140DL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Church
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:38 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIetenpol Wood
>
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> I wouldn't recommend buying your T-88 pre-mixed.
> It'll be really hard to get out of the bottle.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 |
Ryan,
You are asking a VERY modest amount for your project for as much as is completed.
There is no way you could build what you have there for that amount of money
finished or not and anyone who offers you less is dreaming.
This is a great buy.
And Jon, mixing T-88 by eye is really easy and it is very forgiving to slight errors
in mix ratios but even by eye you would be surprised how close you can get
the two parts by simply pouring into some small Dixie cups.
I routinely glued two scrap pieces of capstrip in an overlap fashion as glue joint
tests pieces when mixing batches of T-88 and then when cured you just put
one end in the vise and bash the other with a hammer. If the wood breaks your
glue mix was just fine. I personally would not waste time using syringes and
then cleaning them out. To each his own. Then again I wouldn't build or
rebuild a GN-1:))
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Groah--your side door |
I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all
out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset
the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list)
weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds.
I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough
to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite
a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I
just marked the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the
router table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up.
It is not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes.
Mike Groah
________________________________
From: gtche98 <garywilson213@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
Beautiful craftsmanship Mike. How much weight do you figure you saved by fluting
the wood in the fuselage? Did you flute the entire thing?
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
Didn't Jim Markle provide a mixing ratio sheet a long time ago? It
had the exact weight of each part in a handy column format.
I may be wrong about the source of the info, but a quick archives
search might turn something up. Sorry, I can't easily search the
archives on my phone...
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On Apr 7, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> The alternative to that is measure by weight. I use a digital postal
> scale, and non-waxed tiny paper cups from the grocery store.
> Measurement by weight is not 50/50 as is measurement by volume.
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:23 PM, coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net
> > wrote:
> >
>
> I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have
> been squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep
> the proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I
> am just making modifications. One of our EAA members used the
> mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean them. I may see him
> tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal and
> probably reduce glue waste.
>
> Jon Coxwell
>
> --------
> Jon Coxwell
> GN-1 Builder
> Recycle and preserve the planet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366
>
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> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | GN-1 project for sale |
What is the url for the Yahoo GN-1 group? I have not heard of it before.
Jeff Wilson
GN-1 N899WT
Saint Louis,MO
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| Subject: | Re: New England pietenpol |
Bill:
There is a semi abandoned project at Bowman field in Livermore Maine. As I
understand it was built by the local EAA chapter. Fuse is complete as are
the wings.
Michael in Scarborough, Maine that is...
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
True, I eyeball mix small quantities all the time. But that technique may
not work as well when mixing a whole pant-load at once, like for the plywood
fuselage sides.
rick
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No need to complicate things any more than necessary. You can mix T-88
> easily enough by eyeballing it. EAA's "How to Glue Gussets" video gives a
> very simple method using a crushed pop can:
>
>
> http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1431564069?bclid=1432790108&bctid=1485316095
>
> Some popsicle sticks from the local craft store to mix and you are ready to
> go. You can make a small test piece from scrap wood with your mixed batch of
> glue, and you can destroy it later to test if you are at all worried about
> the quality of your mix.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Apr 7, 2010, at 1:23 PM, coxwelljon wrote:
>
> coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
> >
> > I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been
> squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the
> proportions correct. I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just
> making modifications. One of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and
> came up with a way to clean them. I may see him tonight and will ask him.
> They seemed to be the real deal and probably reduce glue waste.
> >
> > Jon Coxwell
> >
> > --------
> > Jon Coxwell
> > GN-1 Builder
> > Recycle and preserve the planet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293366#293366
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop, and buy some epoxy
mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated 1 oz cups. I bought some
at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers for 50 of them. I am cheap, so I wipe
them out with a rag soaked in acetone then reuse them as long as I can. They
are probably available at a medical supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup
etc.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 |
Jon, my wife bought a motercycle after I had mine for a couple years. Ironically
she is the one who sold hers right after we got maried, not me? I should have
plenty of room for 2 bikes and a tent. Where are you riding in from?
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Obfuscatory perambulation |
Tom,
Wow! Where can I get one of those turbo encabulators with the hydrocoptic marzel
vanes? I checked with McMaster Carr and they're out.
Seriously, that video was a riot. I don't know how the guy could keep a straight
face and do it off the cuff like he did.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Obfuscatory perambulation |
Paul:
Agreed. Not too many people in the world have that kind of verbal /
mental talent. Certainly not me.
Stinemetze
do not archive
>>> "Paul N. Peckham" <peckham9@countryspeed.com> 4/7/2010 4:32 PM >>>
eed.com>
Tom,
Wow! Where can I get one of those turbo encabulators with the hydrocoptic
marzel vanes? I checked with McMaster Carr and they're out.
Seriously, that video was a riot. I don't know how the guy could keep a
straight face and do it off the cuff like he did.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Groah--your side door |
Hi,
I used the same plans MIke did to make my door. The difference is that my fuselage
was already done as I had not planned to worry about who could get in the
front when I started building my Piet; but then I wasn't married! Now my wife
would like to go along with me so I ordered the plans and took over one month
to rebuild the right side of the fuse.
All the wood for the door and main beam (heaviest item) added just under 11 pounds.
I did not add the cross braces to the door as the plans show because in my
opinion the door is not a structural part once it is just held on with hinges
and two rods sliding into a hole so saved some weight but not much there. I
also did not route out the pieces as Mike did since it was being added to existing
structure. Figured 11 pounds would not overly stress my Corvair engine.
I will try to send a couple of pictures tomorrow as cannot get to my computer that
has them on it right now. It looks just like Mikes with exception of not routed
grooves and the rear cockpit has an additional diagonal brace that is part
of original structure in addition to new diagonal brace added by door plans.
Pictures tommorrow should make this make sense.
Cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Apr 7, 2010, Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com> wrote:
I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all
out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset
the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list) weighed
his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds. I'm
sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough
to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite
a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I just marked
the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the router
table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up. It is
not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes.
Mike Groah
From: gtche98 <garywilson213@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
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you're wasting your time and resources going about it that way, I am a
builder and cheep also. I go to Quiznos, buy a sandwich or a soda and ask the
kid behind the counter if he minds my taking a bunch of those condiment
cups. The kid says sure help your self I don't mind and "presto chango" just
like magic I markle me a bunch and I got mixing cups, disposable, light
weight and perfect for a one or 2 pump mix, no muss no fuss just mixing epoxy
and building an airplane. The on my morning travels to work I get me a cup
o Coffee and a bunch of those popsicle stick wooden mixing sticks and I got
a ways to mix evenly my brew of glue. The heart breaking is having to
purchase and pay for the flux brushes to apply the epoxy, rats..... I sure hate
buying them, and ,remember never pay for anything that you can markle. You
heard it first here!
John
In a message dated 4/7/2010 5:25:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop, and buy
some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated 1 oz cups. I
bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers for 50 of them. I am
cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked in acetone then reuse them as long
as I can. They are probably available at a medical supply store, as a
medication cup, pill cup etc.
Shad
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I used little 1 ounce cups I bought at a pharmacy for mixing. I didn't
waste money on flux brushes, though. I took a 2 or 3 inch long piece of
cap strip and tapered one end and used that to mix the T-88 and then
apply it to the parts of the ribs. I could use the same piece for many
ribs. In spite of all my frugality I still spent 8K on the airframe.
Ben
On 4/7/2010 5:52 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
> you're wasting your time and resources going about it that way, I am a
> builder and cheep also. I go to Quiznos, buy a sandwich or a soda and
> ask the kid behind the counter if he minds my taking a bunch of those
> condiment cups. The kid says sure help your self I don't mind and
> "presto chango" just like magic I markle me a bunch and I got mixing
> cups, disposable, light weight and perfect for a one or 2 pump mix, no
> muss no fuss just mixing epoxy and building an airplane. The on my
> morning travels to work I get me a cup o Coffee and a bunch of those
> popsicle stick wooden mixing sticks and I got a ways to mix evenly my
> brew of glue. The heart breaking is having to purchase and pay for the
> flux brushes to apply the epoxy, rats..... I sure hate buying them,
> and ,remember never pay for anything that you can markle. You heard it
> first here!
> John
> In a message dated 4/7/2010 5:25:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes:
>
> <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>
> Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop,
> and buy some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated
> 1 oz cups. I bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers
> for 50 of them. I am cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked
> in acetone then reuse them as long as I can. They are probably
> available at a medical supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup
> etc.
>
> Shad
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 project for sale |
Jeff,
Address is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GregaGN1/
It is very slow in traffic, maybe discussions would be more interesting if GN-1
builders and owners join in numbers.
Regards,
Ivan
[quote="jlwilsonnn(at)yahoo.com"]What is the url for the Yahoo GN-1 group? I have
not heard of it before.
Jeff Wilson
GN-1 N899WT
Saint Louis,MO
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
I've simply squeezed equal lengths of the materials into a scrap microwave
dinner dish, which alas, we have plenty of. Works good.
David Paule
> I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been
> squeezing mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the
> proportions correct.
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All these little cups and condiment containers are good ideas, just be
careful that you aren't using waxed cups. The wax will contaminate and
weaken the epoxy.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Charvet
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mixing t-88
I used little 1 ounce cups I bought at a pharmacy for mixing. I
didn't waste money on flux brushes, though. I took a 2 or 3 inch long
piece of cap strip and tapered one end and used that to mix the T-88 and
then apply it to the parts of the ribs. I could use the same piece for
many ribs. In spite of all my frugality I still spent 8K on the
airframe.
Ben
On 4/7/2010 5:52 PM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
you're wasting your time and resources going about it that way, I am
a builder and cheep also. I go to Quiznos, buy a sandwich or a soda and
ask the kid behind the counter if he minds my taking a bunch of those
condiment cups. The kid says sure help your self I don't mind and
"presto chango" just like magic I markle me a bunch and I got mixing
cups, disposable, light weight and perfect for a one or 2 pump mix, no
muss no fuss just mixing epoxy and building an airplane. The on my
morning travels to work I get me a cup o Coffee and a bunch of those
popsicle stick wooden mixing sticks and I got a ways to mix evenly my
brew of glue. The heart breaking is having to purchase and pay for the
flux brushes to apply the epoxy, rats..... I sure hate buying them, and
,remember never pay for anything that you can markle. You heard it first
here!
John
In a message dated 4/7/2010 5:25:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aviatorbell@yahoo.com writes:
<aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Just go to Tower Hobbies' web site or your local R/C hobby shop,
and buy some epoxy mixing cups, they are clear plastic, graduated 1 oz
cups. I bought some at the local hobby shop for 3-4 dollers for 50 of
them. I am cheap, so I wipe them out with a rag soaked in acetone then
reuse them as long as I can. They are probably available at a medical
supply store, as a medication cup, pill cup etc.
Shad
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You "markled" your mixing cups... that's awesome.
Speaking of the Markle... he has an awesome measuring chart for anyone that has
a digital scale. I started out using that method before I even knew the risks
involved in the Markle methods... too late to turn back now. Honestly... it
must be perfect... my bottles are even-steven with only a half inch or so left
in each.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 |
Oh my gosh... no kidding! Did you guys see those photos? Nice work Ryan. I'm
getting close to completion on my wings and I don't think I'd take $750 for them
alone, but the fuse and stab too!
Somebody is going to get lucky. [Shocked]
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 |
Hey Shad,
I'm planning to be there. I'll probably show up Friday evening and tent it then
head out late Saturday afternoon. I talked to Frank P. a few days ago. I mentioned
the Fly-in to him and said he thought he could make it. He wasn't sure
which Piet he'd bring, either the Model A or the Lambert, but he said he wants
to come. Should be fun!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: PIetenpol Wood |
You can get syringes at the local feed mill/ranch supply store in sizes that can
you can fill from the dispensing containers that the T- 88 comes in and from
these syringes you can measure the stuff out very accurately.
----- Original Message ----
From: coxwelljon <coxwelljon@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:23:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: PIetenpol Wood
I would order some mixing syringes and tips for your T-88. I have been squeezing
mine out of the bottle and it is a challenge to keep the proportions correct.
I haven't had a lot of gluing to do as I am just making modifications. One
of our EAA members used the mixing syringes and came up with a way to clean
them. I may see him tonight and will ask him. They seemed to be the real deal
and probably reduce glue waste.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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Here they are:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/epoxy_mixing_table.doc
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/epoxy_mixing_table_small.doc
One for small amounts, one for larger amounts.
Ryan
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:51 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> You "markled" your mixing cups... that's awesome.
>
> Speaking of the Markle... he has an awesome measuring chart for anyone that
> has a digital scale. I started out using that method before I even knew the
> risks involved in the Markle methods... too late to turn back now.
> Honestly... it must be perfect... my bottles are even-steven with only a
> half inch or so left in each.
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 |
It is priced to move! It needs to go away by the end of the month, one way
or another.
Ryan
do not archive
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Oh my gosh... no kidding! Did you guys see those photos? Nice work Ryan.
> I'm getting close to completion on my wings and I don't think I'd take $750
> for them alone, but the fuse and stab too!
>
> Somebody is going to get lucky. [Shocked]
>
> --------
> Mark - working on wings
>
>
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| Subject: | Ohio piet fly-in 2010 |
Shad,
Ed and I are still planning to show, probably Friday. One Piet, one Grega
and two tents.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/6/2010 5:29:28 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
>
>
> OK Group, I have been out in the hanger today starting on the annual on
the piet, I am trying to get another estimate on atendance. It will be Sat
June 19, the day befor father's day. If people want to fly in on friday
afternoon that is fine with me, I have room for tent camping,
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A builder has to markle what he can and pay for what he can't. The builders creed,
words to live by.
John
------Original Message------
From: Mark Chunard
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88
Sent: Apr 7, 2010 7:51 PM
You "markled" your mixing cups... that's awesome.
Speaking of the Markle... he has an awesome measuring chart for anyone that has
a digital scale. I started out using that method before I even knew the risks
involved in the Markle methods... too late to turn back now. Honestly... it
must be perfect... my bottles are even-steven with only a half inch or so left
in each.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Obfuscatory perambulation |
I had heard that Bill Church has one or two of them laying around that he's not
using but that could just be a rumor started by some trustworthy Piet builder.
John
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From: Paul N. Peckham
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: Pietenpol builders Board
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
Sent: Apr 7, 2010 5:32 PM
Tom,
Wow! Where can I get one of those turbo encabulators with the hydrocoptic marzel
vanes? I checked with McMaster Carr and they're out.
Seriously, that video was a riot. I don't know how the guy could keep a straight
face and do it off the cuff like he did.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Obfuscatory perambulation |
Who's been talking?
If you must know, John, I do have a couple of turbo encabulators just laying around
in my garage, but the marzel vanes are NOT hydrocoptic! Not sure what I
can do with those useless things now. Free for the asking. Or maybe trade for
a nice flux capacitor.
Bill C.
oh yeah, definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Groah--your side door |
Hi Mike and Gary,
Here are the pictures of my door and rear cockpit added bracing. I rolled it outside
in the sun thinking it would help but I think it added a lot of glare. Anyway
hope this shows the difference in routing or not routing. Routing like Mike
did makes it look a lot neater but have no idea how much weight it may save.
Weight saved may not be as important as in how it looks. If I had been building
it in initially I would have routed too (I think).
Also a copy of instrument panel; its part of that picture group.
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Apr 7, 2010 12:46:02 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all
out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset
the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list)
weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds.
I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough
to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite
a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I
just marked the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the
router table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up.
It is not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes.
Mike Groah
From: gtche98 <garywilson213@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
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| Subject: | Re: Obfuscatory perambulation |
Bill,
I'm interested in the trade, but I need to know the condition of the #7
Fetzer Valves.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation
Who's been talking?
If you must know, John, I do have a couple of turbo encabulators just
laying around in my garage, but the marzel vanes are NOT hydrocoptic! Not
sure what I can do with those useless things now. Free for the asking. Or
maybe trade for a nice flux capacitor.
Bill C.
oh yeah, definitely DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Mike Groah--your side door |
Nice panel, Jim!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
Hi Mike and Gary,
Here are the pictures of my door and rear cockpit added bracing. I rolled it outside
in the sun thinking it would help but I think it added a lot of glare. Anyway
hope this shows the difference in routing or not routing. Routing like Mike
did makes it look a lot neater but have no idea how much weight it may save.
Weight saved may not be as important as in how it looks. If I had been building
it in initially I would have routed too (I think).
Also a copy of instrument panel; its part of that picture group.
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
Apr 7, 2010 12:46:02 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:
I don't know how much weight it saved. I didn't take the time to figure that all
out. It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a good idea to offset
the additional wood added by the door mod. Jim Boyer (who is on this list)
weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra weight the door mod adds.
I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough
to be a negative. Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite
a bit of it has. It was simple to do as I was building the fuselage. I
just marked the distance I wanted the groove on each piece and took it to the
router table. After that it got placed back into the fuselage jig and glued up.
It is not routed under anyplace where a gusset goes.
Mike Groah
From: gtche98 <garywilson213@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door
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i whish my proyect looks like these museum pice is not good if these is abandoned
I hope some one closed location rescue.
________________________________
From: Michael Silvius <silvius@gwi.net>
Sent: Wed, April 7, 2010 2:34:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol
Bill:
There is a semi abandoned project at Bowman field in Livermore Maine. As I
understand it was built by the local EAA chapter. Fuse is complete as are
the wings.
Michael in Scarborough, Maine that is...
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 |
Don, If Frank has 2 piets to bring I can think of at least 1 willing ferry pilot
(me, me, me) who is willing to fly one down and back to Barber, If he is comfortable
with it, I can probably work it out with out a problem. I definitly
understand though if he is not comfortable with it,(us corvair guys are crazy
anyhow). I am guessing you are talking about the Russle/ Rudolf Model A piet,
as the 2nd. If the weather holds out I think this is going to be a very good
fly-in. I just came in from the hanger (1am) I was out there getting the tractors
ready for mowing, and day dreaming about how, where, when etc, for the
fly in. I think I could talk Bill See into a ride up in his champ if Frank wants
to bring both piets down. I think getting at least 7-10 piets here is a realistic
number if all who plan on attending, show up. Dad will have his 1932
model A 1 1/2 ton steak bed truck here as well, I took some black and white photos
with it and the piet last
fall, looks like the 30's if you disreguard the corvair engine. We also got some
pics at the WACO fly in with Bill Knight's UPF-7 (a fellow piet pilot, owns
"the last original") and the truck last year. That just happened to score me,
my dad, and my wife a ride in his waco. OK, now that I am all wound up, I
gotta get to bed. Good night to all.
I need to go flying, the last thing I flew was made of platic, had a nose wheel,
and had a tv screen where the "steam guages are supposed to be.
Shad
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