---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/08/10: 43 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:20 AM - Re: Re: Re: Mike Groah--your side door (H RULE) 2. 06:01 AM - SNF Piet forums? (Jim Ash) 3. 06:07 AM - Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Jim Ash) 4. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: New England pietenpol (Jim Ash) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: SNF Piet forums? (Ryan Mueller) 6. 06:55 AM - Test Fight - Douwe (Pieti Lowell) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Dan Yocum) 8. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: New England pietenpol (Michael Silvius) 9. 07:52 AM - Re: Re: New England Pietenpol (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 10. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: New England Pietenpol (Michael Silvius) 11. 08:16 AM - Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 (Ryan Mueller) 12. 08:46 AM - simple mixing of T-88 (Arden Adamson) 13. 09:22 AM - Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 (Jeff wilson) 14. 09:53 AM - Re: Mixing t-88 (Bill Church) 15. 09:56 AM - Re: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 (Ryan Mueller) 16. 09:57 AM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Ryan Mueller) 17. 10:03 AM - Re: Mixing t-88 (Bill Church) 18. 10:03 AM - Re: SNF Piet forums? (Ben Charvet) 19. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Tim Willis) 20. 10:10 AM - SLC next week.... (Jim Markle) 21. 10:13 AM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Jim Markle) 22. 10:24 AM - Re: SLC next week.... (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 23. 11:36 AM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (coxwelljon) 24. 12:01 PM - Re: simple mixing of T-88 (coxwelljon) 25. 12:34 PM - syringes (shad bell) 26. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (airlion) 27. 01:20 PM - Re: simple mixing of T-88 (Bill Church) 28. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Jack) 29. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Dan Yocum) 30. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Ryan Mueller) 31. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Dan Yocum) 32. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (Rick Holland) 33. 03:42 PM - Ohio piet fly-in, food (shad bell) 34. 03:42 PM - Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Jim Ash) 35. 03:46 PM - Re: SNF Piet forums? (Jim Ash) 36. 03:58 PM - Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks (Michael Perez) 37. 03:59 PM - Re: Mixing t-88 (Bill Church) 38. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Mixing t-88 (airlion) 39. 04:09 PM - Re: SNF Piet forums? (Bill Church) 40. 04:23 PM - Re: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks (airlion) 41. 04:29 PM - Re: SNF Piet forums? (Ben Charvet) 42. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: SNF Piet forums? (Jim Markle) 43. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: SNF Piet forums? (ditoliberato@terra.com.br) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:08 AM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side door Wow nice work;doors and all.=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________ _________________=0AFrom: Jim =0ATo: pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com; dskogrover@yahoo.com; garywilson213@yahoo.com=0ASent: Thu, Apr il 8, 2010 12:36:18 AM=0ASubject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--y our side door=0A=0AHi Mike and Gary,=0AHere are the pictures of my door and rear cockpit added bracing. I rolled it outside in the sun thinking it wou ld help but I think it added a lot of glare. Anyway hope this shows the dif ference in routing or not routing. Routing like Mike did makes it look a lo t neater but have no idea how much weight it may save. Weight saved may not be as- important as in how it looks. If I had been building it in initia lly I would have routed too (I think).=0AAlso a copy of instrument panel; i ts part of that picture group.=0AJim B.=0A=0AJim Boyer=0ASanta Rosa, CA=0AP ietenpol on wheels=0ATail surfaces done=0AWing ribs done=0ACorvair engine =0A=0A=0AApr 7, 2010 12:46:02 PM, pietenpol-list@matronics.com wrote:=0A=0A =0AI don't know how much weight it saved.- I didn't take the time to figu re that all out.- It was part of the door plans and I figured it was a go od idea to offset the additional wood added by the door mod.- Jim Boyer ( who is on this list) weighed his pieces and can tell you how much extra wei ght the door mod adds. I'm sure the grooves reduces weight some and doesn't detract from strength enough to be a negative.- Not every piece has been turned into an I beam, but quite a bit of it has.- It was simple to do a s I was building the fuselage.- I just marked the distance I wanted the g roove on each piece and took it to the router table.- After that it got p laced back into the fuselage jig and glued up. It is not routed under anypl ace where a gusset goes.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: gtche98 =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, April 7, 2010 11:59:52 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mike Groah--your side do or ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:17 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? Jim Ash ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:30 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation I want to know how much practice and how many takes it took. I used to unload a chunk of Fox in Socks (the tweetle beetle part) high-speed into co-workers' voice-mail on occasion, but I was obviously working from a script and it took quite a bit warming up first at that speed. Jim -----Original Message----- From: TOM STINEMETZE Sent: Apr 7, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation Paul: Agreed. Not too many people in the world have that kind of verbal / mental talent. Certainly not me. Stinemetze do not archive >>> "Paul N. Peckham" 4/7/2010 4:32 PM >>> Tom, Wow! Where can I get one of those turbo encabulators with the hydrocoptic marzel vanes? I checked with McMaster Carr and they're out. Seriously, that video was a riot. I don't know how the guy could keep a straight face and do it off the cuff like he did. Paul ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:42 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol Is it for sale or is it just going to die there? Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Silvius >Sent: Apr 7, 2010 5:34 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol > >Bill: > >There is a semi abandoned project at Bowman field in Livermore Maine. As I >understand it was built by the local EAA chapter. Fuse is complete as are >the wings. > >Michael in Scarborough, Maine that is... > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? From: Ryan Mueller Jim http://www.sun-n-fun.org/FlyIn.aspx Under Schedules and Maps>Forums>, they have each day's forum schedule listed. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > > > Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet > forum(s) is/are? > > Jim Ash ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Test Fight - Douwe From: "Pieti Lowell" The worst thought that went through my mind as the right wing lifted,with stick full right, tail up, chop throttle, max right rudder, all by instinct, WAS, Douwe's beautiful Piet, heading now for the gang watching this maneuver, approx, a few 100 feet away, With this experience the observers and equipment, must also keep far enough away from the runway for their safety. Not my best Day, sorry Douwe Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293487#293487 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:53 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Obfuscatory perambulation Strangely, or maybe not so strangely, this sounds very much like many of the presentations given here at Fermilab. As an example, here's the caption on a diagram given in today's edition of "Fermilab Today": The two-jet mass spectrum in the three b-quark event sample from in 2.5 inverse femtobarns of CDF data. bbB, bBb, etc. are nicknames for Standard Model processes with three b-quarks that comprise most of the sample. The small SUSY-Higgs-like excess is shown in red. Today's issue is at the following link. And yes, that is an article about a rapper who raps about science. Kids, these days... http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive_2010/today10-04-08.html Enjoy! Dan On 04/05/2010 01:24 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' > Corvair Society (CS) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure > that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: > our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him.* > ** > http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg > The real story is as follows: > Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy > duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first > introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began > what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should > have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this > is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the > biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were > introducing. > Stinemetze > N328X -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:07 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol I heard it was built by the EAA chapter in Livermore up at Bowman Field. I also heard they were approached some time ago by interested parties to purchase it and they could not seem to come to an agreement. To many parties involved. At any rate if anyone is intrested the best thing would be to look up the local EAA chapter and make contact with the powers that be and see what they can tell you. chapter 827 I believe is the one http://www.eaa827.org/page14.html Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" > > Is it for sale or is it just going to die there? > > Jim > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:23 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England Pietenpol I contacted Chapter 827, and that Piet project was sold last year. Brian SLC-UT -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Silvius Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England pietenpol I heard it was built by the EAA chapter in Livermore up at Bowman Field. I also heard they were approached some time ago by interested parties to purchase it and they could not seem to come to an agreement. To many parties involved. At any rate if anyone is intrested the best thing would be to look up the local EAA chapter and make contact with the powers that be and see what they can tell you. chapter 827 I believe is the one http://www.eaa827.org/page14.html Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ash" > > Is it for sale or is it just going to die there? > > Jim > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:03 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New England Pietenpol Well that is good news. At least it found a new home and perhaps it may be completed. It was last August at the anual Fly-in when I saw it there. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: > > I contacted Chapter 827, and that Piet project was sold last year. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 From: Ryan Mueller Just a quick note...a number of people have contacted me about the project, but it still available. You may have noticed the Continental A-65 that we have listed for sale....1505TT, 709SMOH, complete logs, engine complete minus carb and mag harness. If you decide to purchase the Piet, the price on the engine comes down to $2500. $3250 for the project and the A-65..... Just wanted to throw that out there. Have a good day all! Ryan On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > Aerospace Corporation]" > > Ryan, > > You are asking a VERY modest amount for your project for as much as is > completed. There is no way you could build what you have there for that > amount of money finished or not and anyone who offers you less is dreaming. > > This is a great buy. > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:05 AM PST US From: "Arden Adamson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: simple mixing of T-88 Hey guys, With all due respect to everyone's suggestions for mixing T-88. The simplest thing to do is-go to Fleet-Farm (or another farm supply store) and buy the largest syringes available. I buy 30cm size. Pour part A in one syringe and part B in a second syringe. They are marked in cm's so mixing is accurate, are easy to use, are inexpensive and readily available. That's the only way I'd mix T-88. Arden Adamson New London, WI ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:08 AM PST US From: Jeff wilson Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 Ryan, I am definitely interested. Just want to know a couple things, what plans- Pietenpol or Grega? What is the length of the fuse firewall to tail? And can I come get it tommorrow? I ,m ready to roll. Don't need the engine though. Got a fresh A-65 and prop ready to go. Call me. 314-974-4589 Jeff Wilson N899WT (reserved) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 From: "Bill Church" As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by Mr. Markle. Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get the corresponding volume of resin to add. Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just the same. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet project for sale $750 From: Ryan Mueller And the project has been sold. The A-65 did not go with it, so if anyone wants that, please let us know! Ryan On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > Just a quick note...a number of people have contacted me about the project, > but it still available. You may have noticed the Continental A-65 that we > have listed for sale....1505TT, 709SMOH, complete logs, engine complete > minus carb and mag harness. If you decide to purchase the Piet, the price on > the engine comes down to $2500. $3250 for the project and the A-65..... > > Just wanted to throw that out there. Have a good day all! > > Ryan > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 From: Ryan Mueller Thanks Bill. That's super-useful! Ryan please do not archive On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Bill Church wrote: > billspiet@sympatico.ca> > > As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital scale, > and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is by > volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by > Mr. Markle. > > Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin > that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and > the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be > added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to > you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, > ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are > looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple > calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the > corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the > hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get > the corresponding volume of resin to add. > > Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just the > same. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 From: "Bill Church" You're super welcome. (I do what I can). BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293512#293512 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:45 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on Wed and stay through Sat AM. Ben CHarvet NX866BC 22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > > Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? > > Jim Ash > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:08 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 Bill, I have always found a Cycles/Second--to--Hertz conversion table useful, as well. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Apr 8, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 Thanks Bill. That's super-useful! Ryan please do not archive On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Bill Church wrote: As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by Mr. Markle. Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get the corresponding volume of resin to add. Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just the same. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:09 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: SLC next week.... Any of you Salt Lake folks gonna be around for a visit next week? I'll have Mon-Tue evenings available and I'll have a car... And if we have time, I have a list of tools I would like to "look" at...hahahaha...just kidding. Keep quiet Recine.... JM.. do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:51 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 Hilarious....thanks for a good dose of silly today.... What a hoot. -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 10:52 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 > > >As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by Mr. Markle. > >Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get the corresponding volume of resin to add. > >Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just the same. > >Bill C. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 > > >Attachments: > >http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:11 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SLC next week.... Jim, You are welcome to come by...would be a pleasure to meet the "Markle-man" in person. Brian SLC-UT 801-603-3394 -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: SLC next week.... Any of you Salt Lake folks gonna be around for a visit next week? I'll have Mon-Tue evenings available and I'll have a car... And if we have time, I have a list of tools I would like to "look" at...hahahaha...just kidding. Keep quiet Recine.... JM.. do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 From: "coxwelljon" aviatorbell(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Jon, my wife bought a motercycle after I had mine for a couple years. Ironically she is the one who sold hers right after we got maried, not me? I should have plenty of room for 2 bikes and a tent. Where are you riding in from? > > Shad I would be coming from Remsen NY, 20 miles North of Utica. About 650 miles. We ride huge bikes, a 1982 Honda Twinstar 200 and a 250 Honda Helix. At the end of the day you just lay down and vibrate for 10 minutes. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293529#293529 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: simple mixing of T-88 From: "coxwelljon" [quote="aadamson1(at)centurytel.n"]Hey guys, With all due respect to everyones suggestions for mixing T-88. The simplest thing to do isgo to Fleet-Farm (or another farm supply store) and buy the largest syringes available. I buy 30cm size. Pour part A in one syringe and part B in a second syringe. They are marked in cms so mixing is accurate, are easy to use, are inexpensive and readily available. Thats the only way Id mix T-88. Arden Adamson New London, WI > [b] I saw my fellow EAA'r last night and asked him what he had used. He is building Hatz classic wings. He is frugal, methodical and smart. He buys buys double barrel syringes from McMastars-Carr (on line) along with mixing tips, and cleans them by soaking them in a closed container of MEK. Said he is able to get multiple uses out of the syringes and tips. I use white vinegar for T-88 clean up but I don't know if it would clean it out of a syringe. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293534#293534 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:05 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: syringes I know some syringes have rubber o-rings, and depending on what kind of rubber they are made of, mek, acetone and other solvents might cause the o-rings to swell so much that you can not even push the plunger down. I have run into this at work, when trying to mix small batches of primer or paint. just my 2 cents, Shad ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:54 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. Look on the container and just mix it one to one. That is simple enough for a dummy like me. Cheers, Gardiner Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: simple mixing of T-88 From: "Bill Church" Well, I must be REALLY frugal then, because I don't buy any syringes. But then, I don't use any syringes, either. Just a simple, cheap, graduated clear plastic medicine cup (like others have mentioned), and a re-usable plastic mixing stick/spreader. Really simple, and really easy, and I don't use any MEK (that stuff is toxic, you know) or even vinegar, because THERE IS NO CLEANUP. Just leave the little bit in the bottom of the mixing cup, label it with the date, and keep it as a record of your glue sample. The bit of epoxy that is left on the mixing stick flakes off when fully cured, and the stick gets re-used. The syringes just seem like WAY more work that they're worth. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293546#293546 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:14 PM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 But Bill...how will tempature and humidity effect the mixture? Jack DSM Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:52 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > > > > As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital > scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - > which is by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to > the ones created by Mr. Markle. > > Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of > resin that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired > mixed epoxy), and the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding > amount of hardener to be added to the resin. The beauty of this > chart is that the units are up to you! They can be ounces, or > milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, ketchup cups, > microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are > looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very > simple calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get > the corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out > the hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener > by ONE to get the corresponding volume of resin to add. > > Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work > just the same. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:22 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 On 04/08/2010 03:10 PM, airlion wrote: > It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. Slow news day. Next up: watching paint dry! Followed by apple slices turning brown! So, how many hours do you have on your shiny new Piet, now? I got out for 3.2hr the other day. Only 3.5 more until the Insurance Man says I can take my lovely bride for a ride. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 From: Ryan Mueller How many more hours before the Lovely Bride says she'll go for a ride? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) Ryan do not archive On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > On 04/08/2010 03:10 PM, airlion wrote: > >> It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. >> > > Slow news day. Next up: watching paint dry! Followed by apple slices > turning brown! > > So, how many hours do you have on your shiny new Piet, now? > > I got out for 3.2hr the other day. Only 3.5 more until the Insurance Man > says I can take my lovely bride for a ride. > > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:06 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 Surprisingly, she was rather positive about the whole thing. Even said that she was looking forward to the MAAC fly-in in September. I was shocked! Maybe it was temporary insanity on her part... do not archive On 04/08/2010 03:46 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > How many more hours before the Lovely Bride says she'll go for a ride? > > Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) > > Ryan > > do not archive > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dan Yocum > wrote: > > > > > > On 04/08/2010 03:10 PM, airlion wrote: > > It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. > > > Slow news day. Next up: watching paint dry! Followed by apple > slices turning brown! > > So, how many hours do you have on your shiny new Piet, now? > > I got out for 3.2hr the other day. Only 3.5 more until the > Insurance Man says I can take my lovely bride for a ride. > > Dan > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov , http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 From: Rick Holland And dew-point and atmospheric pressure? On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Jack wrote: > > But Bill...how will tempature and humidity effect the mixture? > Jack > DSM > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 8, 2010, at 11:52 AM, "Bill Church" wrote: > >> billspiet@sympatico.ca> >> >> As a public service, to help out those of us who don't own a digital >> scale, and mix our T-88 ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTIONS ON THE BOTTLE - which is >> by volume, not weight, I have devised a similar chart to the ones created by >> Mr. Markle. >> >> Here's how this one works. The column titled RESIN is the amount of resin >> that you measure out (half of the total volume of desired mixed epoxy), and >> the column titled HARDENER is the corresponding amount of hardener to be >> added to the resin. The beauty of this chart is that the units are up to >> you! They can be ounces, or milliliters, or cups, quarts, gallons, drams, >> ketchup cups, microwave dinner trays, whatever. PLUS, if the number you are >> looking for isn't on this chart, don't fret, because it's a very simple >> calculation - just multiply the volume of resin by ONE to get the >> corresponding volume of hardener to add. What if you measure out the >> hardener first? No sweat. Just multiply the volume of hardener by ONE to get >> the corresponding volume of resin to add. >> >> Maybe not as fun as playing with the digital scale, but it'll work just >> the same. >> >> Bill C. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293507#293507 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/epoxy_mixing_table_volume_262.doc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:14 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in, food Group, To all those who plan on attending our Ohio piet fly-in, I am trying to come up with a way to keep it affordable for me,and Dad so we can do it again in the future. I am planning on making it pot luck, bring a dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because you are flying in, a donation jar. I might just hand out tickets for a small donation, which is basically a meal pass, bringing a covered dish, chips, soda etc would get you a free ticket. One of the reasons I might need to do this, is there are a few locals who have in the past shown up uninvited to take advantage of peoples good nature, to feed 10+ people with no intention of helping to donate or contribute in any such way, and are blaitant in doing so (it's a long story) If any of you have any other ideas let me know. For those of you who plan on bringing food, I will try to get a list of who is bringing what a month or so in advance so I can get to the store to buy the rest, so everyone will have a full belly. Don, Mike, Frank, Skipp, and other friday night campers, I was thinking if you want we can pile into the 1932 model A truck (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to the dinner for breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 miles down the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up breakfast here, (I might be treading on thin ice with the boss at that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If I destroy the kitchen, I'll be camping at my own house. So far I have 6-7 piets planning on attending, and 3-4 more of maybe's, 4,5 piet builders (still building), some flying in, others driving, one international attendee (Scott Knowlton, from Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a dozzen or so of my aviation friends and family. Shad P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are only about $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be plenty, I just use my tree when the laddies aren't looking. ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:14 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Obfuscatory perambulation You work with Kermit Carlson? -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 10:16 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Obfuscatory perambulation > > >Strangely, or maybe not so strangely, this sounds very much like many of >the presentations given here at Fermilab. As an example, here's the >caption on a diagram given in today's edition of "Fermilab Today": > > The two-jet mass spectrum in the three b-quark event sample > from in 2.5 inverse femtobarns of CDF data. bbB, bBb, etc. are > nicknames for Standard Model processes with three b-quarks that > comprise most of the sample. The small SUSY-Higgs-like excess > is shown in red. > >Today's issue is at the following link. And yes, that is an article >about a rapper who raps about science. Kids, these days... > >http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive_2010/today10-04-08.html > > >Enjoy! >Dan > > >On 04/05/2010 01:24 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: >> *The gentleman in this video has been hired by the Crank Snappin' >> Corvair Society (CS) to articulate our cause to the masses. I am sure >> that you will all understand the veracity of our prognostications re: >> our choice of motive appliance, once you hear him.* >> ** >> http://home.comcast.net/~steveham21/turbo.mpg >> The real story is as follows: >> Several years ago, Rockwell International decided to get into the heavy >> duty transmission business. They were getting ready to tape a first >> introduction video, and as a warm up, the professional narrator began >> what has become a legend within the trucking industry. This man should >> have won an academy award for his stellar performance. Now remember this >> is strictly off the cuff, nothing is written down, this became the >> biggest talk in the industry, vs the new product which they were >> introducing. >> Stinemetze >> N328X > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:42 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:03 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? > > >I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. >Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks >like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on >Wed and stay through Sat AM. > >Ben CHarvet >NX866BC >22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend > >On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >> >> >> Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? >> >> Jim Ash >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:53 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks I am putting my next ACS order together and was going to buy the wing strut forks. However, I am curious if anyone has an alternative to buying these at over $84.00 each? - The usual places...(Mc Master) have clevis rod ends but they are very inexp ensive and I doubt they are a good aircraft replacement. ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 From: "Bill Church" from Jack: ...how will tempature and humidity effect the mixture? and from Rick: And dew-point and atmospheric pressure? The answer to your questions, Jack and Rick, is: "Just the right amount." BC once again, do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293566#293566 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:07 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 I HAVE 15 HOURS ON MINE NOW, AND SHOULD HAVE 40 HRS FLOWN IN TIME FOR BRODHEAD. i WILL BE CARVING A COUPLE OF PROPS AT SUN N FUN SO STOP BY TO SAY HELLO. GARDINER MASON. ________________________________ From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 4:46:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Mixing t-88 How many more hours before the Lovely Bride says she'll go for a ride? Sorry, couldn't resist. ;) Ryan do not archive On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > >>On 04/08/2010 03:10 PM, airlion wrote: > >>>It seems that there is too much talk about how to mix T88. >> > >Slow news day. Next up: watching paint dry! Followed by apple slices turning brown! > >>So, how many hours do you have on your shiny new Piet, now? > >>I got out for 3.2hr the other day. Only 3.5 more until the Insurance Man says I can take my lovely bride for a ride. > >>Dan > >>-- >>Dan Yocum >>Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > >>========== >>st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>========== >http://forums.matronics.com >>========== >>le, List Admin. >>="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>========== > > ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? From: "Bill Church" You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. (Just pulling your chain, Jim) Bill C. I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:54 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks If you are going to sun n fun you could probably find them a lot cheaper at the fly mart. Gardiner ________________________________ From: Michael Perez Sent: Thu, April 8, 2010 6:57:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alternative to $84.00 wing strut forks I am putting my next ACS order together and was going to buy the wing strut forks. However, I am curious if anyone has an alternative to buying these at over $84.00 each? The usual places...(Mc Master) have clevis rod ends but they are very inexpensive and I doubt they are a good aircraft replacement. ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:45 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? I have a long one...(I hope your are talking about the fuselage). Hopefully we can meet up and you can climb in and see how it fits. My cell # is 321-961-5117. Ben On 4/8/2010 6:46 PM, Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Charvet >> Sent: Apr 8, 2010 1:03 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Piet forums? >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet >> >> I don't remember ever seeing a formal Pietenpol forum at Sun-N-Fun. >> Lots of Pietenpol folks hang out at the woodworking shop though. Looks >> like there may be 4 Pietenpols there. Right now I'm hoping to fly in on >> Wed and stay through Sat AM. >> >> Ben CHarvet >> NX866BC >> 22.3 hours into Phase 1, hoping for good weather this weekend >> >> On 4/8/2010 9:00 AM, Jim Ash wrote: >> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >>> >>> >>> Does anybody have a line on the SNF forum schedule and when the Piet forum(s) is/are? >>> >>> Jim Ash >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:17 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) pokity, pokity, pokity....... -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. > >(Just pulling your chain, Jim) > >Bill C. > > >I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). > >Jim > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 > > ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? From: ditoliberato@terra.com.br Guys, SNF is already there and I can=C2=B4t fit inside myself. Me and my dad are coming, as I=C2=B4ve probably mentioned in some message before, but It=C2=B4s never too much to come and say that I=C2=B4m really looking fowar d to meet you guys. It=C2=B4ll be our first major air event (we are both doctors) and my father=C2=B4s first time to the US (yesterday I had to punch him in the stomach so he would stop laughing). Since we=C2=B4re first timers, any help fitting in is welcome. See you in the woodwork tent regards Rodrigo and Jos=C3=A9 Oliveira Brazil On Qui 8/04/10 21:49 , Jim Markle jim_markle@mindspring.com sent: Dang, how long WAS my vacuum-bagging forum anyway????? Maybe I stretched it out thinking everyone was as impressed with me as I was.... :-) (JUST KIDDING!!!) I would do another one on some future Brodhead trip and try to keep it shorter (not really) but I don't think I could keep a straight face for any of it.... :-) pokity, pokity, pokity....... -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Apr 8, 2010 5:09 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com [3] >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Piet forums? > > >You're looking to sit in a standard forum and a long one as well? I'd suggest bringing a good seat cushion - especially if it's a vacuum-bagging forum. > >(Just pulling your chain, Jim) > >Bill C. > > >I'm looking to sit in one. Ideally, I'd like to sit in two; a standard one and a long one. I'll be working in the metal shaping workshop, but I've got business to attend here and won't be arriving until Thursday morning (commercial flight into TPA late Wed). > >Jim > > > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293569#293569 [5] > > > > > > > > > > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra. 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