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1. 12:37 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 (G & R Hewitt)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 (jeg325@gmail.com)
3. 07:51 AM - Can someone explain brake ratings please? (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 08:24 AM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (Jack Phillips)
5. 08:24 AM - Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Dan Yocum)
6. 09:05 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Frank Metcalfe)
7. 11:19 AM - Re: Stromberg carb (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Stromberg carb (Ryan Mueller)
9. 03:31 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 (coxwelljon)
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| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 |
What sort of Elevator travel in Degrees are most of you achieving, am
getting 25 up & 29 down
Thanks Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 |
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Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10
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1. 12:11 AM - Re: EAA banner a bit off (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:41 AM - Can someone explain brake ratings please? (bubbleboy)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 (Gene Rambo)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: EAA banner a bit off (Bill Church)
5. 08:31 AM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (David Paule)
6. 10:07 AM - Sun-N-Fun (Ben Charvet)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 12:11:24 AM PST US
From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA banner a bit off
No Ryan, that's the Australian Kinner.
Clif
I have the feeling that I've seen everything, but failed to notice the
elephants. (Anton Chekhov)
----- Original Message -----
Looking a bit closer, it reveals that Kinner apparently manufactured a
reverse rotation engine! I never knew that.
How the original image would have looked, before the graphics wiz
"horizontal flipped" it:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/eaabannercorrect.jpg
Ryan
do not archive
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:41:16 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson@optusnet.com.au>
Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go with
the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain the Static
Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are other builders
using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for the larger tyre. Also
what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and cable brakes?
Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped!
Scotty
Australia
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:20:04 AM PST US
From: "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
I don't know if I said this already, but if I am off for those days
(won't know until mid-may) and the weather cooperates, I will be there.
May bring the Travel Air or, if Frank P. needs help . . . .
Gene Rambo
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Emch<mailto:EmchAir@aol.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010
<EmchAir@aol.com<mailto:EmchAir@aol.com>>
Hey Shad,
I'm planning to be there. I'll probably show up Friday evening and
tent it then head out late Saturday afternoon. I talked to Frank P. a
few days ago. I mentioned the Fly-in to him and said he thought he
could make it. He wasn't sure which Piet he'd bring, either the Model A
or the Lambert, but he said he wants to come. Should be fun!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Time: 07:38:30 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA banner a bit off
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Well, sometimes those "graphics wiz"es have perfectly good reasons for flipping
the images. In this case, it seems pretty obvious. If you look closely at your
"correct" version, you'll see that all the words are backwards. I can't even
read that thing. :)
Bill
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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:31:20 AM PST US
From: "David Paule" <dpaule@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
I've operated my Cessna 180 for decades with 6:00-6 tires, frequently off of
grass strips. Even a beach one day, and often at gross weight (2,550
pounds). I've landed off-airport on a mesa a few times as well, keeping a
keen lookout for prairie dog hills.
No problem.
For an alternate opinion, see this:
http://www.bentpropproductions.com/
Go for the hydraulic breaks. If they are sized right, they'll give you
smooth, solid braking with minimal maintenance.
Static load is the load on the tire while the plane is standing still on the
ground. Limit load is the maximum load encountered during a landing.
David Paule
> <scott.dawson@optusnet.com.au>
>
> Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go
> with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain
> the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are
> other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for
> the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and
> cable brakes?
>
> Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped!
>
> Scotty
> Australia
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 10:07:52 AM PST US
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun
Well, the weather isn't exactly cooperating. I still need 1.5 more
hours to fly off my Phase 1. The winds haven't been exactly
cooperating, and its just not much fun when its too windy. The last 2
times I flew I really was getting bounced around at altitude. I flew a
while on Friday afternoon, and it was blowing 3 kts right down the paved
runway (33) when I took off. A little over an hour later it was blowing
080 at 10 gusting to 15. I was able to put it down on the grass runway
04 with only a slight ballooning on flare. I'm taking my wife for a few
nights in a condo at the beach to make up for leaving her for 3 or 4
days while I'm at Sun-N-Fun. If the weather is acceptable on Tuesday, I
should be able to fly over on Wed. AM, otherwise I'll just drive. I
really don't want to miss out on the wing repair forum. Hope to see
some of you there, even if my Piet doesn't make the trip.
As my wife frequently says "Its really tough to be Ben Charvet"
Ben Charvet
NX866BC
23.5 hours on the Hobbs
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| Subject: | Can someone explain brake ratings please? |
As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC
has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes
straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off
of grass whenever possible and I love the way
the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I
know that the people who have motorcycle-type
wheels have things a little bit different than
we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear,
but they both have their pros and cons.
I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires
for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to
be out of scale for the airplane.
The brakes on the airplane work very well in all
conditions, readily hold the airplane during static
runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb.
gross weight.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Can someone explain brake ratings please? |
I also have Cleveland brakes off (I believe) a 172, but I have 21"
motorcycle rims. I use the Matco MC-4 master cylinders, which have a piston
diameter of .625". I believe 6.00 x 6 Cleveland brakes have a 2" diameter
piston (don't remember exactly), which would mean a 50 lb push on the master
cylinder would generate a hydraulic presure of 50 /( p(.625)2/4) = 163 psi.
When this pressure is applied to the brake caliper, it generates a force of
163 x (p(22/4)) or 512 lbs, so you get about a 10:1 advantage.
With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate for stopping and to hold
it for a runup, but they can't hold it against full power.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please?
As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC
has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes
straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off
of grass whenever possible and I love the way
the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I
know that the people who have motorcycle-type
wheels have things a little bit different than
we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear,
but they both have their pros and cons.
I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires
for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to
be out of scale for the airplane.
The brakes on the airplane work very well in all
conditions, readily hold the airplane during static
runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb.
gross weight.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
Oscar (or Corky),
Where'd you get your shoulder harness for 41CC? Specifically, I'm
interested in that quick-connect clip attachment that you connect to the
disk on your cross-braces.
ACS has these Y-harnesses, but they don't have this clip...
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Good Luck on getting your Piet over to Sun-N-Fun. The two Big Piets got the
re Saturday afternoon. They should be there thru Thusesday depending on wea
rther., which looks good. Hope you can make it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: Piet
enpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Sun, April 11, 2010 1:06:
43 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0A=0AWell, the weather isn'
t exactly cooperating.- I still need 1.5 more hours to fly off my Phase 1
.- The winds haven't been exactly cooperating, and its just not much fun
when its too windy. The last 2 times I flew I really was getting bounced ar
ound at altitude.- I flew a while on Friday afternoon, and it was blowing
3 kts right down the paved runway (33) when I took off.- A little over a
n hour later it was blowing 080 at 10 gusting to 15.- I was able to put i
t down on the grass runway 04 with only a slight ballooning on flare.- I'
m taking my wife for a few nights in a condo at the beach to make up for le
aving her for 3 or 4 days while I'm at Sun-N-Fun.- If the weather is acce
ptable on Tuesday, I should be able to fly over on Wed. AM, otherwise I'll
just drive.- I really don't want to miss out on the wing repair forum.-
Hope to see some of you there, even if my Piet doesn't make the trip.=0A
=0AAs my wife frequently says "Its really tough to be Ben Charvet"=0A=0ABen
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg carb |
There are varying claims out there as to the effectiveness of the Stromberg
mixture, but it generally seems to boil down to the fact that it doesn't
quite function like "normal" mixture controls that you may be accustomed to
,
and that it's effects occur more gradually.
You might consider spending the extra money to get a Marvel Schebler
MA3-SPA, if you plan on frequent manipulation of the mixture. It should hav
e
a more "positive" mixture control, and you get the added benefit of having
an idle/cut off. You also save on the cost/time of purchasing and installin
g
a primer, due to the Marvel having an accelerator pump. With that savings i
t
doesn't end up being that much more expensive than the Stromberg....
Ryan
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your replies. Then I guess the 3a would be better for my
> altitude, field elev. Is 4470.
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN LYSCARS
> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:08 PM
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb
>
>
> Brian,
>
>
> These carbs- the 3a and 3b- are functionally identical. The "3a" has a
> functional mixture control, while the "3b" does not.
>
>
> The mixture control on the 3a has no effect for us Corvair users operatin
g
> below 8,000 feet MSL. The control does not work as an idle-cutoff as one
> might expect. Rather, it can be used for leaning the burn at cruise, but
is
> only effective at high elevations.
>
>
> Most if not all 3a's had their mixture wired in the "full rich" position
> when attached to C65's or C85's.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Al Lyscars
>
> Manchester, NH
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:19 PM
>
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb
>
>
> Group,
>
> I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my =9Ccrank
snapin=9D
> Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or do
es
> it not make a difference?
>
>
> Brian
>
> SLC-UT
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 |
I checked into this a while back both in the archives on this forum and in correspondence
to the Brodhead Pietenpol Assoc. What I found is recommended up elevator
is 20 deg. and down elev. is 20 deg. to max of 30 deg. IE 20 up and 30
down.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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