---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/12/10: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 (G & R Hewitt) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 (jeg325@gmail.com) 3. 07:51 AM - Can someone explain brake ratings please? (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 08:24 AM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (Jack Phillips) 5. 08:24 AM - Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Dan Yocum) 6. 09:05 AM - Re: Sun-N-Fun (Frank Metcalfe) 7. 11:19 AM - Re: Stromberg carb (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 8. 01:12 PM - Re: Stromberg carb (Ryan Mueller) 9. 03:31 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 (coxwelljon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:25 AM PST US From: "G & R Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 What sort of Elevator travel in Degrees are most of you achieving, am getting 25 up & 29 down Thanks Graham ----- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 From: jeg325@gmail.com D Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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(David Paule) 6. 10:07 AM - Sun-N-Fun (Ben Charvet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:24 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA banner a bit off No Ryan, that's the Australian Kinner. Clif I have the feeling that I've seen everything, but failed to notice the elephants. (Anton Chekhov) ----- Original Message ----- Looking a bit closer, it reveals that Kinner apparently manufactured a reverse rotation engine! I never knew that. How the original image would have looked, before the graphics wiz "horizontal flipped" it: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/eaabannercorrect.jpg Ryan do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? From: "bubbleboy" Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and cable brakes? Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped! Scotty Australia -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293818#293818 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:04 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 I don't know if I said this already, but if I am off for those days (won't know until mid-may) and the weather cooperates, I will be there. May bring the Travel Air or, if Frank P. needs help . . . . Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Emch To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio piet fly-in 2010 > Hey Shad, I'm planning to be there. I'll probably show up Friday evening and tent it then head out late Saturday afternoon. I talked to Frank P. a few days ago. I mentioned the Fly-in to him and said he thought he could make it. He wasn't sure which Piet he'd bring, either the Model A or the Lambert, but he said he wants to come. Should be fun! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293429#293429 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA banner a bit off From: "Bill Church" Well, sometimes those "graphics wiz"es have perfectly good reasons for flipping the images. In this case, it seems pretty obvious. If you look closely at your "correct" version, you'll see that all the words are backwards. I can't even read that thing. :) Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=293837#293837 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:20 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? I've operated my Cessna 180 for decades with 6:00-6 tires, frequently off of grass strips. Even a beach one day, and often at gross weight (2,550 pounds). I've landed off-airport on a mesa a few times as well, keeping a keen lookout for prairie dog hills. No problem. For an alternate opinion, see this: http://www.bentpropproductions.com/ Go for the hydraulic breaks. If they are sized right, they'll give you smooth, solid braking with minimal maintenance. Static load is the load on the tire while the plane is standing still on the ground. Limit load is the maximum load encountered during a landing. David Paule > > > Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go > with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain > the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are > other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for > the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and > cable brakes? > > Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped! > > Scotty > Australia ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:52 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun Well, the weather isn't exactly cooperating. I still need 1.5 more hours to fly off my Phase 1. The winds haven't been exactly cooperating, and its just not much fun when its too windy. The last 2 times I flew I really was getting bounced around at altitude. I flew a while on Friday afternoon, and it was blowing 3 kts right down the paved runway (33) when I took off. A little over an hour later it was blowing 080 at 10 gusting to 15. I was able to put it down on the grass runway 04 with only a slight ballooning on flare. I'm taking my wife for a few nights in a condo at the beach to make up for leaving her for 3 or 4 days while I'm at Sun-N-Fun. If the weather is acceptable on Tuesday, I should be able to fly over on Wed. AM, otherwise I'll just drive. I really don't want to miss out on the wing repair forum. Hope to see some of you there, even if my Piet doesn't make the trip. As my wife frequently says "Its really tough to be Ben Charvet" Ben Charvet NX866BC 23.5 hours on the Hobbs ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:51:07 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off of grass whenever possible and I love the way the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I know that the people who have motorcycle-type wheels have things a little bit different than we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear, but they both have their pros and cons. I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to be out of scale for the airplane. The brakes on the airplane work very well in all conditions, readily hold the airplane during static runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb. gross weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:46 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? I also have Cleveland brakes off (I believe) a 172, but I have 21" motorcycle rims. I use the Matco MC-4 master cylinders, which have a piston diameter of .625". I believe 6.00 x 6 Cleveland brakes have a 2" diameter piston (don't remember exactly), which would mean a 50 lb push on the master cylinder would generate a hydraulic presure of 50 /( p(.625)2/4) = 163 psi. When this pressure is applied to the brake caliper, it generates a force of 163 x (p(22/4)) or 512 lbs, so you get about a 10:1 advantage. With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't hold it against full power. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off of grass whenever possible and I love the way the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I know that the people who have motorcycle-type wheels have things a little bit different than we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear, but they both have their pros and cons. I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to be out of scale for the airplane. The brakes on the airplane work very well in all conditions, readily hold the airplane during static runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb. gross weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:49 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Oscar (or Corky), Where'd you get your shoulder harness for 41CC? Specifically, I'm interested in that quick-connect clip attachment that you connect to the disk on your cross-braces. ACS has these Y-harnesses, but they don't have this clip... Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:17 AM PST US From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun Good Luck on getting your Piet over to Sun-N-Fun. The two Big Piets got the re Saturday afternoon. They should be there thru Thusesday depending on wea rther., which looks good. Hope you can make it.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet =0ATo: Piet enpol list =0ASent: Sun, April 11, 2010 1:06: 43 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Sun-N-Fun=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet =0A=0AWell, the weather isn' t exactly cooperating.- I still need 1.5 more hours to fly off my Phase 1 .- The winds haven't been exactly cooperating, and its just not much fun when its too windy. The last 2 times I flew I really was getting bounced ar ound at altitude.- I flew a while on Friday afternoon, and it was blowing 3 kts right down the paved runway (33) when I took off.- A little over a n hour later it was blowing 080 at 10 gusting to 15.- I was able to put i t down on the grass runway 04 with only a slight ballooning on flare.- I' m taking my wife for a few nights in a condo at the beach to make up for le aving her for 3 or 4 days while I'm at Sun-N-Fun.- If the weather is acce ptable on Tuesday, I should be able to fly over on Wed. AM, otherwise I'll just drive.- I really don't want to miss out on the wing repair forum.- Hope to see some of you there, even if my Piet doesn't make the trip.=0A =0AAs my wife frequently says "Its really tough to be Ben Charvet"=0A=0ABen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:58 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb VGhhbmtzIGZvciB5b3VyIHJlcGxpZXMuICBUaGVuIEkgZ3Vlc3MgdGhlIDNhIHdvdWxkIGJlIGJl dHRlciBmb3IgbXkgYWx0aXR1ZGUsICBmaWVsZCBlbGV2LiBJcyA0NDcwLg0KDQogDQoNCkJyaWFu DQoNClNMQy1VVA0KDQogDQoNCkZyb206IG93bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRy b25pY3MuY29tIFttYWlsdG86b3duZXItcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3Qtc2VydmVyQG1hdHJvbmljcy5j b21dIE9uIEJlaGFsZiBPZiBBTEFOIExZU0NBUlMNClNlbnQ6IEZyaWRheSwgQXByaWwgMDksIDIw MTAgMTI6MDggUE0NClRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBS ZTogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IFN0cm9tYmVyZyBjYXJiDQoNCiANCg0KQnJpYW4sDQoNCiANCg0K VGhlc2UgY2FyYnMtIHRoZSAzYSBhbmQgM2ItIGFyZSBmdW5jdGlvbmFsbHkgaWRlbnRpY2FsLiAg VGhlICIzYSIgaGFzIGEgZnVuY3Rpb25hbCBtaXh0dXJlIGNvbnRyb2wsIHdoaWxlIHRoZSAiM2Ii IGRvZXMgbm90Lg0KDQogDQoNClRoZSBtaXh0dXJlIGNvbnRyb2wgb24gdGhlIDNhIGhhcyBubyBl ZmZlY3QgZm9yIHVzIENvcnZhaXIgdXNlcnMgb3BlcmF0aW5nIGJlbG93IDgsMDAwIGZlZXQgTVNM LiAgVGhlIGNvbnRyb2wgZG9lcyBub3Qgd29yayBhcyBhbiBpZGxlLWN1dG9mZiBhcyBvbmUgbWln aHQgZXhwZWN0LiAgUmF0aGVyLCBpdCBjYW4gYmUgdXNlZCBmb3IgbGVhbmluZyB0aGUgYnVybiBh dCBjcnVpc2UsIGJ1dCBpcyBvbmx5IGVmZmVjdGl2ZSBhdCBoaWdoIGVsZXZhdGlvbnMuDQoNCiAN Cg0KTW9zdCBpZiBub3QgYWxsIDNhJ3MgaGFkIHRoZWlyIG1peHR1cmUgd2lyZWQgaW4gdGhlICJm dWxsIHJpY2giIHBvc2l0aW9uIHdoZW4gYXR0YWNoZWQgdG8gQzY1J3Mgb3IgQzg1J3MuDQoNCiAN Cg0KSG9wZSB0aGlzIGhlbHBzLg0KDQogDQoNCkFsIEx5c2NhcnMNCg0KTWFuY2hlc3RlciwgTkgN Cg0KCS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0gDQoNCglGcm9tOiBicmlhbi5lLmphcmRp bmVAbC0zY29tLmNvbSANCg0KCVRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIA0KDQoJ U2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBBcHJpbCAwOSwgMjAxMCAxMjoxOSBQTQ0KDQoJU3ViamVjdDogUGlldGVu cG9sLUxpc3Q6IFN0cm9tYmVyZyBjYXJiDQoNCgkgDQoNCgkgDQoNCglHcm91cCwNCg0KCUkgaGF2 ZSBiZWVuIHdhdGNoaW5nIGEgZmV3IGFkcyBmb3IgYSBTdHJvbWJlcmcgY2FyYiBmb3IgbXkg4oCc Y3Jhbmsgc25hcGlu4oCdIENvcnZhaXIuIFdoaWNoIHdvdWxkIGJlIHRoZSBwcmVmZXJyZWQgY2Fy YiB0aGUgTkEtUzNBIG9yIHRoZSBOQS1TM0Igb3IgZG9lcyBpdCBub3QgbWFrZSBhIGRpZmZlcmVu Y2U/DQoNCgkgDQoNCglCcmlhbg0KDQoJU0xDLVVUDQoNCgnvv73vv73vv71+77+977+977+9LN6u 6aKi77+977+9DQoNCiANCiANCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgUGlldGVucG9sLUxp c3QgRW1haWwgRm9ydW0gLQ0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2 aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dzZQ0KXy09IHRoZSBtYW55IExpc3QgdXRpbGl0aWVzIHN1Y2ggYXMgTGlz dCBVbi9TdWJzY3JpcHRpb24sDQpfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1EYXkg QnJvd3NlLCBDaGF0LCBGQVEsDQpfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOg0K Xy09DQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9QaWV0ZW5w b2wtTGlzdA0KXy09DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZP UlVNUyAtDQpfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0aGUgV2Vi IEZvcnVtcyENCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KXy09 DQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24gV2ViIFNpdGUgLQ0K Xy09ICBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCENCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBo dHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KIA0K ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb From: Ryan Mueller There are varying claims out there as to the effectiveness of the Stromberg mixture, but it generally seems to boil down to the fact that it doesn't quite function like "normal" mixture controls that you may be accustomed to , and that it's effects occur more gradually. You might consider spending the extra money to get a Marvel Schebler MA3-SPA, if you plan on frequent manipulation of the mixture. It should hav e a more "positive" mixture control, and you get the added benefit of having an idle/cut off. You also save on the cost/time of purchasing and installin g a primer, due to the Marvel having an accelerator pump. With that savings i t doesn't end up being that much more expensive than the Stromberg.... Ryan On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, wrote: > Thanks for your replies. Then I guess the 3a would be better for my > altitude, field elev. Is 4470. > > > Brian > > SLC-UT > > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN LYSCARS > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:08 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb > > > Brian, > > > These carbs- the 3a and 3b- are functionally identical. The "3a" has a > functional mixture control, while the "3b" does not. > > > The mixture control on the 3a has no effect for us Corvair users operatin g > below 8,000 feet MSL. The control does not work as an idle-cutoff as one > might expect. Rather, it can be used for leaning the burn at cruise, but is > only effective at high elevations. > > > Most if not all 3a's had their mixture wired in the "full rich" position > when attached to C65's or C85's. > > > Hope this helps. > > > Al Lyscars > > Manchester, NH > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:19 PM > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb > > > Group, > > I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my =9Ccrank snapin=9D > Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or do es > it not make a difference? > > > Brian > > SLC-UT > > =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=DE=AE=E9=A2=A2 =EF=BD=EF=BD > > * * > > * * > ============* > > ============* > > ============* > > ============* > > * * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 04/11/10 From: "coxwelljon" I checked into this a while back both in the archives on this forum and in correspondence to the Brodhead Pietenpol Assoc. What I found is recommended up elevator is 20 deg. and down elev. is 20 deg. to max of 30 deg. IE 20 up and 30 down. 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