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1. 12:51 AM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (bubbleboy)
2. 01:24 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/12/10 (G & R Hewitt)
3. 03:56 AM - A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 (Ryan Mueller)
4. 05:55 AM - brake holding power (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:10 AM - Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 (Jim Markle)
7. 07:13 AM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Dan Yocum)
8. 07:13 AM - It was Markle-esk! (gboothe5@comcast.net)
9. 07:57 AM - Re: brake holding power (David Paule)
10. 08:00 AM - Re: It was Markle-esk! (Jim Markle)
11. 12:04 PM - GN-1 brace wires (skellytown flyer)
12. 01:03 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Isablcorky@aol.com)
13. 01:03 PM - Re: It was Markle-esk! (V Groah)
14. 01:12 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Dan Yocum)
15. 03:51 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Catdesigns)
16. 04:06 PM - rigging the wings (skellytown flyer)
17. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (gboothe5@comcast.net)
18. 04:57 PM - Re: rigging the wings (H RULE)
19. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (H RULE)
20. 04:59 PM - Fw: It was Markle-esk! (gboothe5@comcast.net)
21. 06:06 PM - Mike's April fools joke, comes true (shad bell)
22. 06:58 PM - Re: GN-1 brace wires (coxwelljon)
23. 07:22 PM - Re: Mike's April fools joke, comes true (gboothe5@comcast.net)
24. 10:48 PM - Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Mike Whaley)
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| Subject: | Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? |
Thank you all for your replies. I am looking at the Matco W60 setup from AS&S.
These are the specs. Does this look reasonable?
Regards Scotty
MATCO mfg produces a superior 6 inch wheel and brake assembly for use with aircraft
requiring less than 1420 lbs per wheel. This model uses 1.25 inch TAPER/ROLL
bearings. (Check the product comparison table for other bearing and caliper
configurations).
Dimensions
The W60 is a 6 inch wheel with 4.375 inch width with an additional 1.23 inch caliper
spacing. Bearing spacing is 2.5 inches and axle spacing is 1.25 inches.
The total weight of this wheel and brake assembly is 7.1 pounds. The bearing axle
diameter is 1.25 inches.
Performance
The W60 is designed for the following standards:
Static Capacity: 1420 LBS
Load Limit: 4260 LBS
Maximum Accelerate/Stop Kinetic Energy: 189604 ft-lb
Torque Rating (@450 PSI)[/b]
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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| Subject: | RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/12/10 |
Have found Front seat belts from Vans RV4 to be good value
P/N SBH-TT4F, email me for a pic of these
Regards Graham about to glue on Fuse sides at last!!
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| Subject: | A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 |
Good morning,
We still have a Continental A-65 for sale. The asking price has been reduced
to $2500. The engine has logs back to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and
709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from the J-3 in 2002. The engine is
complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Here is a pic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg
That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The
mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags. Again, we are asking
$2,500 for it...please let me know if you might be interested. Thanks,
Ryan
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| Subject: | brake holding power |
Jack wrote:
>I have 21" motorcycle rims.
>With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate
>for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't
>hold it against full power.
Right. The typical 6.00x6 tire is going to have an outside
diameter of about 17" (except for Mike Cuy's, since he
inflates his tires by the worm's-eye-view eyeball method
rather than a tire inflation gauge ;o) and the outside diameter
of a motorcycle tire on a 21" rim is going to be about 26".
Torque being proportional to the distance from the point of
application of the force, for any given forward thrust, the
motorcycle wheel/tire setup with the same Clevelands as the
6.00x6s will require roughly 1.5 times the braking power
to hold (13/8.5 = 1.53). Correct my math???
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
Dan:
I have no idea where Corky got the shoulder
harness/seat belts that are on 41CC but perhaps
he'll remember the source and reply to this email.
It is very handy to be able to unsnap the harness
for the front cockpit and stow it when flying solo
(which is most of the time) because the belts do
get in the way of the pilot's feet and rudder bar.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 |
And if someone "generally close" to a route between Chicago and Tulsa buys it....free
shipping/delivery might be be arranged around mid May!
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller
Sent: Apr 13, 2010 4:55 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500
Good morning,
We still have a Continental A-65 for sale. The asking price has been reduced to
$2500. The engine has logs back to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH
(majored in '57). It was removed from the J-3 in 2002. The engine is complete,
except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Here is a pic:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg
That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The mags are
in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags. Again, we are asking $2,500
for it...please let me know if you might be interested. Thanks,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
Oscar,
Thanks for the reply. I think I found some. Whilst doing some light
bedtime reading I found what looks like the same sort of connector in
the print version of the Wag-Aero catalog.
Temps are nice, winds are light, and I might take a half-day of vacation
today and fly up there to see if they have any in stock on the shelves.
Cheers,
Dan
On 04/13/2010 08:06 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Dan:
>
> I have no idea where Corky got the shoulder
> harness/seat belts that are on 41CC but perhaps
> he'll remember the source and reply to this email.
>
> It is very handy to be able to unsnap the harness
> for the front cockpit and stow it when flying solo
> (which is most of the time) because the belts do
> get in the way of the pilot's feet and rudder bar.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | It was Markle-esk! |
After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet
up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership,
with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house
all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room
to prove it!
Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique
skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator!
Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress.
Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week.
I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge
getting it under my coat....
Gary Boothe
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: brake holding power |
More torque, right on that one, and the same kinetic energy to dissipate.
That's another criteria to know.
To find the kinetic energy in foot-pounds, multiply the weight in pounds
times the landing speed, in mph, squared by .01671. That gives the kinetic
energy per wheel.
For example, a 1,320 lb LSA landing at 40 mph would have to get rid of about
35,300 foot pounds per wheel. Of course some of that goes into ground
friction, some into air drag, it's not all into the brakes.
David Paule
The typical 6.00x6 tire is going to have an outside
diameter of about 17" (except for Mike Cuy's, since he
inflates his tires by the worm's-eye-view eyeball method
rather than a tire inflation gauge ;o) and the outside diameter
of a motorcycle tire on a 21" rim is going to be about 26".
Torque being proportional to the distance from the point of
application of the force, for any given forward thrust, the
motorcycle wheel/tire setup with the same Clevelands as the
6.00x6s will require roughly 1.5 times the braking power
to hold (13/8.5 = 1.53). Correct my math???
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: It was Markle-esk! |
Contact me off list and I'll send you my "How to visit friends AND increase your
workshop inventory" booklet.
Actually, most of these guys are just too sharp for that...now Recine on the other
hand....when you're visiting him...just look out the shop window and say "hey,
a yellow bus!!"..he'll be distracted long enough for you to load up....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Twistedthreadsraleigh@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Apr 13, 2010 8:13 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk!
>
>
>After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet
up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership,
with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to
house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room
to prove it!
>
>Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique
skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator!
Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress.
>
>Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week.
I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge
getting it under my coat....
>
>Gary Boothe
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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| Subject: | GN-1 brace wires |
Do any of you GN-1 builders have a good picture of the drag/anti-drag cable ends
that fit between the wing struts? I think it would be nice to see how others
have done theirs.I'm at the point of finishing up the wing struts now and almost
ready to hang my wings for final fitting and making the cables up. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294087#294087
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
Dan,
Contact Joe Czaplicki , _fishin3@sbcglobal.net_
(mailto:fishin3@sbcglobal.net) for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC
Corky
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| Subject: | It was Markle-esk! |
Gary=2C It truly was our pleasure to have you come to our our of the way pl
ace. Tulare is not exactly a destination for most although hwy 99 runs thr
ough the middle of town.
We are so pleased to have any Piet folks come by.
for those who have not met Gary He is a true gentleman and seems to be most
talented. What one of us would tackle making our own prop? He gave us an
idea or two without pointing out the horrors of unskilled labor evident in
our build. If you are ever in our area again Gary=2C please come stop in.
Vic
Fo
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk!
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> From: gboothe5@comcast.net
> Date: Tue=2C 13 Apr 2010 14:13:14 +0000
>
>
> After a 5 hour drive to my work destination=2C I took another hour detour
to meet up with Mike Groah and his father=2C Vic. They have an enviable bu
ilding partnership=2C with real respect for each other's abilities=2C and a
great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car res
torer=2C with a show room to prove it!
>
> Obviously=2C their workmanship is extraordinary=2C incorporating some of
Vic's unique skills. Of special note=2C to Corvair users=2C was a simple=2C
rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowlin
g progress.
>
> Sorry=2C I left my laptop home this trip=2C so will have to post pics lat
er this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...i
t was a challenge getting it under my coat....
>
> Gary Boothe
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
On 04/13/2010 03:00 PM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> Dan,
> Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3@sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:fishin3@sbcglobal.net> for information on the seat belts and
> harnesses on 41CC
> Corky
Will do!
Thanks,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php
with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php
the harness will work with this lap belt.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php
Cost for the complete setup, $143.50
Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less than 70
bucks if you can use a bolt in style and dont mind the cam lock buckle.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112
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| Subject: | rigging the wings |
Well as long as I'm asking questions-what has been the best results in setting
up the wing as far as Dihedral and washout on the GN-1's ? I expect straight looks
best but just thought I'd ask before I start setting them up. Raymond
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
I think you are right, Chris. I have that set-up in the rear cockpit, but have
been frustrated to find a shoulder harness set with a shorter lead. That one is
too long for the forward seat.
Gary Boothe
------Original Message------
From: Chris Tracy
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC
Sent: Apr 13, 2010 3:50 PM
Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php
with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php
the harness will work with this lap belt.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php
Cost for the complete setup, $143.50
Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less than 70
bucks if you can use a bolt in style and dont mind the cam lock buckle.
http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: rigging the wings |
zero dihedral and about 1/4 inch on wash out is what I have=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
_______________________________=0AFrom: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo
.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, April 13, 2010 7:05:5
8 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: rigging the wings=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List m
essage posted by: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>=0A=0AWell as l
ong as I'm asking questions-what has been the best results in setting up th
e wing as far as Dihedral and washout on the GN-1's ? I expect straight loo
ks best but just thought I'd ask before I start setting them up. Raymond=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC |
same kind I use=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Catd
esigns <Catdesigns@att.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue,
April 13, 2010 6:50:41 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness
@att.net>=0A=0ALooking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears
to be this=0A=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php
=0A=0Awith this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness=0A
=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php=0A=0A
the harness will work with this lap belt.=0A=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.co
m/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php=0A=0ACost for the complete setup, $143.50
=0A=0ASummit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for les
s than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and don=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2t mind the cam lock buckle.=0A=0Ahttp://www.summitracing.com/search/Part
-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc=0A=0A--------=0AChris=0ASacramento
, CA=0AWestCoastPiet.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht
tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | It was Markle-esk! |
------Original Message------
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk!
Sent: Apr 13, 2010 4:53 PM
Jim,
No need for me to buy the book. The Groah's had a copy on their workbench and I
"borrowed" it...
Gary
------Original Message------
From: Jim Markle
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk!
Sent: Apr 13, 2010 7:59 AM
Contact me off list and I'll send you my "How to visit friends AND increase your
workshop inventory" booklet.
Actually, most of these guys are just too sharp for that...now Recine on the other
hand....when you're visiting him...just look out the shop window and say "hey,
a yellow bus!!"..he'll be distracted long enough for you to load up....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Twistedthreadsraleigh@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Apr 13, 2010 8:13 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk!
>
>
>After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet
up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership,
with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to
house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room
to prove it!
>
>Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique
skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator!
Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress.
>
>Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week.
I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge
getting it under my coat....
>
>Gary Boothe
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
------Original Message Truncated------
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Mike's April fools joke, comes true |
Well Mike now you've really done it! I went out to mow the yard today put the
hanger door up, got the tractor out, mowed and put the tractor back in the hanger.
I started inspecting the wings, cables etc from the under side for the
annual, and walked to the other side looked up and there it was. The wind was
blowing in the door while I was out, and blew a scrap piece of aluminum gutter
down on top of the wing. At 1st all I saw was a slight indentation that quickly
smothed out, but when I looked to the side there were 2 holes in the fabric.
Nothing serious, just in a spot that will catch the eye, one hole about 1/4
inch the other is about 3/4inch. I hope the paint will match half way decent,
This is the second or third set of fabric patches we have had to do in 3 years.
Of course it always happens in the hanger, so I don't even have any cool
flying lies (stories) to tell at the officer's club over a few beers. I think
last years was Dad's fault,
ripped a hole while safty wiring a aileron turnbuckle. That's what I get for
letting the tractors, and house supplies fratinize with the airplanes.
Just Kidding ya Mikeee, It's my own dumb A$$ fault for putting heavy sharp things
above the airplane.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 brace wires |
I am not there yet, but would also be interested in seeing some pictures.
Good to see some GN-1 post.
Jon Coxwell
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Jon Coxwell
GN-1 Builder
Recycle and preserve the planet
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| Subject: | Re: Mike's April fools joke, comes true |
Sounds like bullet holes to me...
Gary
------Original Message------
From: shad bell
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike's April fools joke, comes true
Sent: Apr 13, 2010 6:05 PM
Well Mike now you've really done it! I went out to mow the yard today put the
hanger door up, got the tractor out, mowed and put the tractor back in the hanger.
I started inspecting the wings, cables etc from the under side for the
annual, and walked to the other side looked up and there it was. The wind was
blowing in the door while I was out, and blew a scrap piece of aluminum gutter
down on top of the wing. At 1st all I saw was a slight indentation that quickly
smothed out, but when I looked to the side there were 2 holes in the fabric.
Nothing serious, just in a spot that will catch the eye, one hole about 1/4
inch the other is about 3/4inch. I hope the paint will match half way decent,
This is the second or third set of fabric patches we have had to do in 3 years.
Of course it always happens in the hanger, so I don't even have any cool
flying lies (stories) to tell at the officer's club over a few beers. I think
last years was Dad's fault,
ripped a hole while safty wiring a aileron turnbuckle. That's what I get for
letting the tractors, and house supplies fratinize with the airplanes.
Just Kidding ya Mikeee, It's my own dumb A$$ fault for putting heavy sharp things
above the airplane.
Shad
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation |
Man, I have a problem getting list mail for a week and a half, and I miss
out on THIS classic!!
Although, I think I still prefer the Rockwell Automation version (
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5125780462773187994# ).
I looked it up on Wikipedia and was surprised to learn that what I thought
were this thing's origins (a couple of MIT students who successfully
demonstrated that many prestigious scientific journals would accept anything
that sounded technical enough) weren't really where it came from. It
actually dates back to at least the World War 2 era, and has been done by
several companies... in very similar forms. It's even been in Time magazine!
Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroencabulator
At the bottom are links to various versions of the video from different
companies, and to the actor who apparently had a whole side career doing it.
I can easily imagine Bernard Pietenpol running across this back in the day
and having a good laugh. We need more Piets with retroturboencabulators!
-M
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
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