---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/13/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (bubbleboy) 2. 01:24 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/12/10 (G & R Hewitt) 3. 03:56 AM - A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 (Ryan Mueller) 4. 05:55 AM - brake holding power (Oscar Zuniga) 5. 06:10 AM - Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 06:46 AM - Re: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 (Jim Markle) 7. 07:13 AM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Dan Yocum) 8. 07:13 AM - It was Markle-esk! (gboothe5@comcast.net) 9. 07:57 AM - Re: brake holding power (David Paule) 10. 08:00 AM - Re: It was Markle-esk! (Jim Markle) 11. 12:04 PM - GN-1 brace wires (skellytown flyer) 12. 01:03 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Isablcorky@aol.com) 13. 01:03 PM - Re: It was Markle-esk! (V Groah) 14. 01:12 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Dan Yocum) 15. 03:51 PM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Catdesigns) 16. 04:06 PM - rigging the wings (skellytown flyer) 17. 04:50 PM - Re: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (gboothe5@comcast.net) 18. 04:57 PM - Re: rigging the wings (H RULE) 19. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (H RULE) 20. 04:59 PM - Fw: It was Markle-esk! (gboothe5@comcast.net) 21. 06:06 PM - Mike's April fools joke, comes true (shad bell) 22. 06:58 PM - Re: GN-1 brace wires (coxwelljon) 23. 07:22 PM - Re: Mike's April fools joke, comes true (gboothe5@comcast.net) 24. 10:48 PM - Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation (Mike Whaley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? From: "bubbleboy" Thank you all for your replies. I am looking at the Matco W60 setup from AS&S. These are the specs. Does this look reasonable? Regards Scotty MATCO mfg produces a superior 6 inch wheel and brake assembly for use with aircraft requiring less than 1420 lbs per wheel. This model uses 1.25 inch TAPER/ROLL bearings. (Check the product comparison table for other bearing and caliper configurations). Dimensions The W60 is a 6 inch wheel with 4.375 inch width with an additional 1.23 inch caliper spacing. Bearing spacing is 2.5 inches and axle spacing is 1.25 inches. The total weight of this wheel and brake assembly is 7.1 pounds. The bearing axle diameter is 1.25 inches. Performance The W60 is designed for the following standards: Static Capacity: 1420 LBS Load Limit: 4260 LBS Maximum Accelerate/Stop Kinetic Energy: 189604 ft-lb Torque Rating (@450 PSI)[/b] -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294049#294049 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:08 AM PST US From: "G & R Hewitt" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/12/10 Have found Front seat belts from Vans RV4 to be good value P/N SBH-TT4F, email me for a pic of these Regards Graham about to glue on Fuse sides at last!! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 From: Ryan Mueller Good morning, We still have a Continental A-65 for sale. The asking price has been reduced to $2500. The engine has logs back to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from the J-3 in 2002. The engine is complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Here is a pic: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags. Again, we are asking $2,500 for it...please let me know if you might be interested. Thanks, Ryan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:06 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: brake holding power Jack wrote: >I have 21" motorcycle rims. >With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate >for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't >hold it against full power. Right. The typical 6.00x6 tire is going to have an outside diameter of about 17" (except for Mike Cuy's, since he inflates his tires by the worm's-eye-view eyeball method rather than a tire inflation gauge ;o) and the outside diameter of a motorcycle tire on a 21" rim is going to be about 26". Torque being proportional to the distance from the point of application of the force, for any given forward thrust, the motorcycle wheel/tire setup with the same Clevelands as the 6.00x6s will require roughly 1.5 times the braking power to hold (13/8.5 = 1.53). Correct my math??? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:29 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan: I have no idea where Corky got the shoulder harness/seat belts that are on 41CC but perhaps he'll remember the source and reply to this email. It is very handy to be able to unsnap the harness for the front cockpit and stow it when flying solo (which is most of the time) because the belts do get in the way of the pilot's feet and rudder bar. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:58 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 And if someone "generally close" to a route between Chicago and Tulsa buys it....free shipping/delivery might be be arranged around mid May! JM -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Apr 13, 2010 4:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 for sale: price reduced to $2500 Good morning, We still have a Continental A-65 for sale. The asking price has been reduced to $2500. The engine has logs back to day one (6-11-46), with 1505TT, and 709SMOH (majored in '57). It was removed from the J-3 in 2002. The engine is complete, except for the carb and magneto harnesses. Here is a pic: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/IMG_1200resize.jpg That's how it sits right now, in the shipping crate and ready to go. The mags are in the box in the image, they are Bendix mags. Again, we are asking $2,500 for it...please let me know if you might be interested. Thanks, Ryan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:00 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Oscar, Thanks for the reply. I think I found some. Whilst doing some light bedtime reading I found what looks like the same sort of connector in the print version of the Wag-Aero catalog. Temps are nice, winds are light, and I might take a half-day of vacation today and fly up there to see if they have any in stock on the shelves. Cheers, Dan On 04/13/2010 08:06 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Oscar Zuniga > > > Dan: > > I have no idea where Corky got the shoulder > harness/seat belts that are on 41CC but perhaps > he'll remember the source and reply to this email. > > It is very handy to be able to unsnap the harness > for the front cockpit and stow it when flying solo > (which is most of the time) because the belts do > get in the way of the pilot's feet and rudder bar. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! From: gboothe5@comcast.net After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership, with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room to prove it! Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress. Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge getting it under my coat.... Gary Boothe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:20 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brake holding power More torque, right on that one, and the same kinetic energy to dissipate. That's another criteria to know. To find the kinetic energy in foot-pounds, multiply the weight in pounds times the landing speed, in mph, squared by .01671. That gives the kinetic energy per wheel. For example, a 1,320 lb LSA landing at 40 mph would have to get rid of about 35,300 foot pounds per wheel. Of course some of that goes into ground friction, some into air drag, it's not all into the brakes. David Paule The typical 6.00x6 tire is going to have an outside diameter of about 17" (except for Mike Cuy's, since he inflates his tires by the worm's-eye-view eyeball method rather than a tire inflation gauge ;o) and the outside diameter of a motorcycle tire on a 21" rim is going to be about 26". Torque being proportional to the distance from the point of application of the force, for any given forward thrust, the motorcycle wheel/tire setup with the same Clevelands as the 6.00x6s will require roughly 1.5 times the braking power to hold (13/8.5 = 1.53). Correct my math??? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:03 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! Contact me off list and I'll send you my "How to visit friends AND increase your workshop inventory" booklet. Actually, most of these guys are just too sharp for that...now Recine on the other hand....when you're visiting him...just look out the shop window and say "hey, a yellow bus!!"..he'll be distracted long enough for you to load up.... -----Original Message----- >From: Twistedthreadsraleigh@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Apr 13, 2010 8:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! > > >After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership, with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room to prove it! > >Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress. > >Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge getting it under my coat.... > >Gary Boothe >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 brace wires From: "skellytown flyer" Do any of you GN-1 builders have a good picture of the drag/anti-drag cable ends that fit between the wing struts? I think it would be nice to see how others have done theirs.I'm at the point of finishing up the wing struts now and almost ready to hang my wings for final fitting and making the cables up. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294087#294087 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:54 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan, Contact Joe Czaplicki , _fishin3@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:fishin3@sbcglobal.net) for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC Corky ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:54 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! Gary=2C It truly was our pleasure to have you come to our our of the way pl ace. Tulare is not exactly a destination for most although hwy 99 runs thr ough the middle of town. We are so pleased to have any Piet folks come by. for those who have not met Gary He is a true gentleman and seems to be most talented. What one of us would tackle making our own prop? He gave us an idea or two without pointing out the horrors of unskilled labor evident in our build. If you are ever in our area again Gary=2C please come stop in. Vic Fo > Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > From: gboothe5@comcast.net > Date: Tue=2C 13 Apr 2010 14:13:14 +0000 > > > After a 5 hour drive to my work destination=2C I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father=2C Vic. They have an enviable bu ilding partnership=2C with real respect for each other's abilities=2C and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car res torer=2C with a show room to prove it! > > Obviously=2C their workmanship is extraordinary=2C incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note=2C to Corvair users=2C was a simple=2C rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowlin g progress. > > Sorry=2C I left my laptop home this trip=2C so will have to post pics lat er this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...i t was a challenge getting it under my coat.... > > Gary Boothe > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox .. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:49 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC On 04/13/2010 03:00 PM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote: > Dan, > Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3@sbcglobal.net > for information on the seat belts and > harnesses on 41CC > Corky Will do! Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC From: "Catdesigns" Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php the harness will work with this lap belt. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php Cost for the complete setup, $143.50 Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and dont mind the cam lock buckle. http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: rigging the wings From: "skellytown flyer" Well as long as I'm asking questions-what has been the best results in setting up the wing as far as Dihedral and washout on the GN-1's ? I expect straight looks best but just thought I'd ask before I start setting them up. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294116#294116 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC From: gboothe5@comcast.net I think you are right, Chris. I have that set-up in the rear cockpit, but have been frustrated to find a shoulder harness set with a shorter lead. That one is too long for the forward seat. Gary Boothe ------Original Message------ From: Chris Tracy Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Sent: Apr 13, 2010 3:50 PM Looking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php with this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php the harness will work with this lap belt. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php Cost for the complete setup, $143.50 Summit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for less than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and dont mind the cam lock buckle. http://www.summitracing.com/search/Part-Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:23 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rigging the wings zero dihedral and about 1/4 inch on wash out is what I have=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: skellytown flyer =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, April 13, 2010 7:05:5 8 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: rigging the wings=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List m essage posted by: "skellytown flyer" =0A=0AWell as l ong as I'm asking questions-what has been the best results in setting up th e wing as far as Dihedral and washout on the GN-1's ? I expect straight loo ks best but just thought I'd ask before I start setting them up. Raymond=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/v - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:41 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC same kind I use=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Catd esigns =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, April 13, 2010 6:50:41 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shoulder Harness @att.net>=0A=0ALooking at the pictures of Oscars plane the harness appears to be this=0A=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/harness3b.php =0A=0Awith this clip replacing the bolt in tab that comes on the harness=0A =0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/seatbelthardware.php=0A=0A the harness will work with this lap belt.=0A=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.co m/catalog/appages/seatbelt1a.php=0A=0ACost for the complete setup, $143.50 =0A=0ASummit Racing has a good selection of seatbelts and harnesses for les s than 70 bucks if you can use a bolt in style and don=C3=A2=82=AC=84 =A2t mind the cam lock buckle.=0A=0Ahttp://www.summitracing.com/search/Part -Type/Belts-and-Harnesses/?Ns=Rank|Asc=0A=0A--------=0AChris=0ASacramento , CA=0AWestCoastPiet.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Aht tp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294112#294112=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A === ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:34 PM PST US Subject: Fw: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! From: gboothe5@comcast.net ------Original Message------ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! Sent: Apr 13, 2010 4:53 PM Jim, No need for me to buy the book. The Groah's had a copy on their workbench and I "borrowed" it... Gary ------Original Message------ From: Jim Markle ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! Sent: Apr 13, 2010 7:59 AM Contact me off list and I'll send you my "How to visit friends AND increase your workshop inventory" booklet. Actually, most of these guys are just too sharp for that...now Recine on the other hand....when you're visiting him...just look out the shop window and say "hey, a yellow bus!!"..he'll be distracted long enough for you to load up.... -----Original Message----- >From: Twistedthreadsraleigh@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Apr 13, 2010 8:13 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: It was Markle-esk! > > >After a 5 hour drive to my work destination, I took another hour detour to meet up with Mike Groah and his father, Vic. They have an enviable building partnership, with real respect for each other's abilities, and a great workshop to house all their projects. Vic is a noted antique car restorer, with a show room to prove it! > >Obviously, their workmanship is extraordinary, incorporating some of Vic's unique skills. Of special note, to Corvair users, was a simple, rear mounted alternator! Most will recall Mike's recent post of his cowling progress. > >Sorry, I left my laptop home this trip, so will have to post pics later this week. I'm hoping they don't notice the missing 3' bending brake...it was a challenge getting it under my coat.... > >Gary Boothe >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------Original Message Truncated------ Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:40 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike's April fools joke, comes true Well Mike now you've really done it! I went out to mow the yard today put the hanger door up, got the tractor out, mowed and put the tractor back in the hanger. I started inspecting the wings, cables etc from the under side for the annual, and walked to the other side looked up and there it was. The wind was blowing in the door while I was out, and blew a scrap piece of aluminum gutter down on top of the wing. At 1st all I saw was a slight indentation that quickly smothed out, but when I looked to the side there were 2 holes in the fabric. Nothing serious, just in a spot that will catch the eye, one hole about 1/4 inch the other is about 3/4inch. I hope the paint will match half way decent, This is the second or third set of fabric patches we have had to do in 3 years. Of course it always happens in the hanger, so I don't even have any cool flying lies (stories) to tell at the officer's club over a few beers. I think last years was Dad's fault, ripped a hole while safty wiring a aileron turnbuckle. That's what I get for letting the tractors, and house supplies fratinize with the airplanes. Just Kidding ya Mikeee, It's my own dumb A$$ fault for putting heavy sharp things above the airplane. Shad ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 brace wires From: "coxwelljon" I am not there yet, but would also be interested in seeing some pictures. Good to see some GN-1 post. Jon Coxwell -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294131#294131 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mike's April fools joke, comes true From: gboothe5@comcast.net Sounds like bullet holes to me... Gary ------Original Message------ From: shad bell Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike's April fools joke, comes true Sent: Apr 13, 2010 6:05 PM Well Mike now you've really done it! I went out to mow the yard today put the hanger door up, got the tractor out, mowed and put the tractor back in the hanger. I started inspecting the wings, cables etc from the under side for the annual, and walked to the other side looked up and there it was. The wind was blowing in the door while I was out, and blew a scrap piece of aluminum gutter down on top of the wing. At 1st all I saw was a slight indentation that quickly smothed out, but when I looked to the side there were 2 holes in the fabric. Nothing serious, just in a spot that will catch the eye, one hole about 1/4 inch the other is about 3/4inch. I hope the paint will match half way decent, This is the second or third set of fabric patches we have had to do in 3 years. Of course it always happens in the hanger, so I don't even have any cool flying lies (stories) to tell at the officer's club over a few beers. I think last years was Dad's fault, ripped a hole while safty wiring a aileron turnbuckle. That's what I get for letting the tractors, and house supplies fratinize with the airplanes. Just Kidding ya Mikeee, It's my own dumb A$$ fault for putting heavy sharp things above the airplane. Shad Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:56 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Re: Obfuscatory perambulation Man, I have a problem getting list mail for a week and a half, and I miss out on THIS classic!! Although, I think I still prefer the Rockwell Automation version ( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5125780462773187994# ). I looked it up on Wikipedia and was surprised to learn that what I thought were this thing's origins (a couple of MIT students who successfully demonstrated that many prestigious scientific journals would accept anything that sounded technical enough) weren't really where it came from. It actually dates back to at least the World War 2 era, and has been done by several companies... in very similar forms. It's even been in Time magazine! Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroencabulator At the bottom are links to various versions of the video from different companies, and to the actor who apparently had a whole side career doing it. I can easily imagine Bernard Pietenpol running across this back in the day and having a good laugh. We need more Piets with retroturboencabulators! -M Mike Whaley MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.