---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/16/10: 29 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Gene Rambo) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: NASA woes (Michael Perez) 3. 05:46 AM - Shoulder Harness on 41CC (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 06:42 AM - Re: NASA woes (TOM STINEMETZE) 5. 08:12 AM - Re: NASA woes (Jeff Boatright) 6. 09:52 AM - from Russia with love..... (Michael Silvius) 7. 10:24 AM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Tim Willis) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: NASA woes (Michael Perez) 9. 10:31 AM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Michael Perez) 10. 10:37 AM - Re: from Russia with love..... (David Paule) 11. 10:58 AM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Michael Perez) 12. 11:27 AM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Ryan Mueller) 13. 11:35 AM - Re: NASA woes (TOM STINEMETZE) 14. 11:37 AM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Jeff Boatright) 15. 12:21 PM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Michael Silvius) 16. 12:23 PM - Re: NASA woes (H RULE) 17. 12:36 PM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Ryan Mueller) 18. 12:52 PM - I finally bought my plans! (steve schuerr) 19. 01:39 PM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Michael Silvius) 20. 02:27 PM - Re: rigging the wings (carson) 21. 02:39 PM - Re: NASA woes (Mike Whaley) 22. 04:11 PM - Re: I finally bought my plans! (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 06:20 PM - Nice flight, not such a good ending! (Jeff Boatright) 24. 07:11 PM - Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending! (airlion) 25. 07:34 PM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (airlion) 26. 07:34 PM - Re: Can someone explain brake ratings please? (airlion) 27. 07:34 PM - Re: special note about T-88 (airlion) 28. 07:58 PM - Re: from Russia with love..... (Clif Dawson) 29. 08:03 PM - Re: Nice flight, not such a good ending! (Jeff Boatright) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:20 AM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC sorry, I have been very busy lately and have not responded to many emails. I am heading out to the school bus stop now, but I'll write later. If you want the seat belts, I'll put you on top of the list. Several people have asked. What do you need to know if you want them for sure? $70 for the pair of belts/harnesses. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Kip and Beth Gardner To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Gene, I tried to email you off list, just wondering if you got it? Kip On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: I have not seen a photo of the belts in 41CC, but I have a pair of seat belts/harnesses that I bought from Joe Czaplicki that are still in the box. If they came from him, they might be the same. They are olive drab with olive anodized airline-style buckles. The end fittings for both the lap belt and the shoulder harness are the "clip-on style" shown in the link to the AS&S catalogue someone else posted. I'd love to sell these belts to someone who can use them. I think I gave Joe $35 each for them. I can try to post a photo later tonight if anyone is interested. Gene Rambo ----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan, Contact Joe Czaplicki , fishin3@sbcglobal.net for information on the seat belts and harnesses on 41CC Corky title=http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?P ietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http:/ /forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Not to hop on Mr. Cuy's email, but as a NASA employee, I thank you Tom for your support. There is A L-O-T more to NASA then space and space ships. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:00 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Shoulder Harness on 41CC Dan: yes, I believe the cabanes on 41CC are a bit taller than stock, as are most these days. I think the original intent was to make it easier to get in and out of the cockpit by raising the wing a few inches and it does help. As you've noted, if your cabanes are shorter, the brace wires will X at a point closer to the cowling than on my airplane and may not allow attaching to them. [BS warning: here it comes]- in addition to providing additional clearance for pilot and passenger entry to the cockpits, raising the wing by lengthening the cabanes gets the underside of the wing out of the disturbed airflow that comes off the tops of the windscreens and thus provides a dramatic increase in climb and cruise performance. Unfortunately, I have been unable to quantify those tremendous performance gains except to note that 41CC cruises very comfortably at 70 MPH indicated airspeed. This is a good deal higher than the older Air Campers with standard cabanes and with that ugly radiator out front, which completely kills airflow over the underside of the wing centersection. [BS detector off now]. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:28 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Michael: Sorry, I didn't realize that we had more than one NASA guy on the list. If there are others, those sentiments are for you too. You're my heros! NASA's job is to "Boldly go where no man (in the neutral gender sense) has gone before." And that does include a lot of things besides space flight. You've probably heard me brag about my two boys who work for Burt Rutan out at Scaled Composites. They did a lot of tongue-in-cheek ragging on NASA back when SpaceShipOne was doing it's civilian spacecraft thing BUT they also kept sending me video clips and hot links to things going on at NASA. There is a lot of respect for you there. The important thing was that both groups were trying to push the envelope and try to come up with new ideas and new technology; not just keep producing the same old same old leaving us right where we are today. NASA may need to get "leaner and meaner," (don't we all nowadays) but you don't throw out the baby with the bath water (so to speak.) We need to keep our best brains occupied with out-of-the-box ideas. Hmmm, I seem to have slipped into sermon mode again - - My Bad! do not archive Stinemetze N328X >>> Michael Perez 4/16/2010 7:27 AM >>> Not to hop on Mr. Cuy's email, but as a NASA employee, I thank you Tom for your support. There is A L-O-T more to NASA then space and space ships. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:49 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Not sure what this has to do with Piets, but did NASA's budget actually get cut? $3 billion added to KSC, $6 billion over 5 years overall to NASA. Was NASA on schedule to get more than an additional $6 billion? I don't follow this much, so maybe those who do can educate me. Also, I can certainly understand that various rice bowls may have been tumped over and others' oxen have been gored, so please don't think I'm belittling anyone's individual circumstance. It's no fun having programs you're dedicated to get the economic ax. Two of mine are set to get the heave-ho this month! Do not archive. -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:00 AM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download Michael in Maine ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:51 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Great find. Interesting CAD stuff, as well as apparently a complete drawing set. I could not make the F&G downloads work. On the CAD drawings, note that the internals of the VStab do not match the Piet blueprints. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Michael Silvius >Sent: Apr 16, 2010 1:45 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... > > >Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > >http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > >also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > >Michael in Maine > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:47 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Mike and I work together in the same very small building, as it were. - Scaled Composites is awesome. If I did not work here, that is the type of p lace I would seek out for employment. - My favorite line: - "...push the envelope and try to come up with new ideas and new technology; not just keep producing the same old same old-leaving us right-where w e are today." - That can be said for Pietenpol building as well... - Thanks for the kind words. Mike is heading to Akron to see the B-25 group t his weekend, I'm sure he will chime in on Monday. - do not archive - ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Very cool. Thanks! - ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:07 AM PST US From: "David Paule" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Aren't those the plans that the Pietenpol family sells? If so, then this is a rip-off. David Paule > > Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > > http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > > also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > > Michael in Maine > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... They are the same. - ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... From: Ryan Mueller Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the plans....but why would you post that? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > > Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > > http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > > also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > > Michael in Maine > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:34 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Jeff: Thanks for sharing that document. I was not aware of it and was taking my information from the talking heads on the early morning news broadcast. Probably not a smart thing to do. Anyway, the only thing they could talk about was the cancellation of the Constellation program which was to replace the shuttle as a means of getting things to the International Space Station. Granted, it did seem like a big step backwards into dated and wasteful technology but at least it would have kept us in the space business. If they really follow through with the programs outlined in the OMB document, it could turn out to be a good move after all. KEEPING MY FINGERS CROSSED! (Which, according to the gospel of Linus VanPelt of Peanuts fame, is not theologically sound doctrine.) Stinemetze do not archive >>> Jeff Boatright 4/16/2010 10:12 AM >>> Not sure what this has to do with Piets, but did NASA's budget actually get cut? $3 billion added to KSC, $6 billion over 5 years overall to NASA. Was NASA on schedule to get more than an additional $6 billion? I don't follow this much, so maybe those who do can educate me. Also, I can certainly understand that various rice bowls may have been tumped over and others' oxen have been gored, so please don't think I'm belittling anyone's individual circumstance. It's no fun having programs you're dedicated to get the economic ax. Two of mine are set to get the heave-ho this month! Do not archive. -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:57 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... I think it's pretty innocuous, FWIW. It's just my opinion, but who is going to build from GIF images of metric plans? I guess it could happen, but the cost of the plans is such a small percentage of the overall project. Of course, there are crazy people out there. There's even a guy who built a Piet AND an RV! :) >Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use >the plans....but why would you post that? > >On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Michael Silvius ><silvius@gwi.net> wrote: > ><silvius@gwi.net> > >Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. > >http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm > >also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download > >Michael in Maine ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:50 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Ryan: Mostly because I found it interesting that as far away as Rusia there are entusiast building Pientopols. As far as I can tell the images are scans of the F&G manual drawings. They are available elsewere on the net as well. I found the link to that page here: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl= ru&tl=en&u=http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl%3Fboard%3Dbuilding _from_plans&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjxC S1aaNpf5122s9bCPVdN1gCyhw Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the plans....but why would you post that? ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:27 PM PST US From: H RULE Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes As a Canadian and a concerned person on this planet,I think NASA is going in the wrong direction.We as a planet should be doing our best to get out there as soon as possible to other worlds because we are fast wearing this one out and we will need a new one shortly.Perhaps terra forming Mars or going beyond.There are a lot of asteroids out there we can mine .There's a lot of work to do.Cutting back is not going to do it for us.Each time a space ship goes up the only thing that is lost is part of the launch vehicle .The rest of the money goes into the pockets of the men working on the project and they in turn spend that money;it is what makes the world go around.Time and again history has shown us that cutting back only causes more problems.There will never be enough food or money to feed the hungry of the world or to put money in their pockets.God bless NASA and God bless the American people for going out there in the first place.I can guarantee you that if the western world cuts back,the next thing that will be spoken on the moon will be Chinese and these guys will be the ones exploring space and maybe they might not want us to come along with them.Thank about it.Nothing to do with Piets but that's my take on the matter. do not archive ________________________________ From: Michael Perez Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 8:27:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Not to hop on Mr. Cuy's email, but as a NASA employee, I thank you Tom for your support. There is A L-O-T more to NASA then space and space ships. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... From: Ryan Mueller Michael, It's actually the plans set sold by the Pietenpol family....as Jeff mentioned, with the measurements in metric....but still..... Ryan On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: > Ryan: > > Mostly because I found it interesting that as far away as Rusia there are > entusiast building Pientopols. As far as I can tell the images are scans of > the F&G manual drawings. They are available elsewere on the net as well. > > I found the link to that page here: > > > http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl%3Fboard%3Dbuilding_from_plans&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjxCS1aaNpf5122s9bCPVdN1gCyhw > > Michael > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ryan Mueller > > Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the > plans....but why would you post that? > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:43 PM PST US From: steve schuerr Subject: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought my plans! I finally bought my plans this afternoon. Very exciting. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:20 PM PST US From: "Michael Silvius" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Ryan: I did not realize that. I did not look at them that closely. I saw the small images and related them to the F&G manual article. I have asked Matt to delete the thread and sent a note to Don Pietenpol about the site I linked. My apologies. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Michael, It's actually the plans set sold by the Pietenpol family....as Jeff mentioned, with the measurements in metric....but still..... Ryan ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rigging the wings From: "carson" Hi Guys I am hoping to trial fit my wings in the next few months,when you say build in the washout how exactly do you do that is it just a matter of adjusting the brace wires to get a slight twist or am I way off. Carson Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294482#294482 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:40 PM PST US From: "Mike Whaley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NASA woes Here are some NASA color scheme ideas I came up with a while back... I figure if there's anything diametrically opposed to an LSA, it's the Space Shuttle! I'll sure miss watching the launches. Mike Whaley MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com >>> Michael Perez 4/16/2010 7:27 AM >>> Not to hop on Mr. Cuy's email, but as a NASA employee, I thank you Tom for your support. There is A L-O-T more to NASA then space and space ships. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought my plans! From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Steve, Good for you! Very exciting indeed. Where are you from? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. NX929DH -----Original Message----- From: steve schuerr Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:52 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought my plans! I finally bought my plans this afternoon. Very exciting. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. ======================== =========== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:11 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice flight, not such a good ending! Big rock in the middle of the runway. Look closely and you can see it. Our tailwheel found it last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a1H1OsudNU Already fixed it this evening. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:11:22 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nice flight, not such a good ending! Jeff, how did you miss damaging your rudder? Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 9:15:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice flight, not such a good ending! Big rock in the middle of the runway. Look closely and you can see it. Our tailwheel found it last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a1H1OsudNU Already fixed it this evening. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:58 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? ----- Original Message ---- From: David Paule Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 11:29:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? I've operated my Cessna 180 for decades with 6:00-6 tires, frequently off of grass strips. Even a beach one day, and often at gross weight (2,550 pounds). I've landed off-airport on a mesa a few times as well, keeping a keen lookout for prairie dog hills. No problem. For an alternate opinion, see this: http://www.bentpropproductions.com/ Go for the hydraulic breaks. If they are sized right, they'll give you smooth, solid braking with minimal maintenance. Static load is the load on the tire while the plane is standing still on the ground. Limit load is the maximum load encountered during a landing. David Paule > > Hi...looking in to what wheel and brake combo to use. I have decided to go with the 800-6. Looking at the Matco variety on AS&S. Can someone explain the Static Load figures and the Load limit figures? What Part number are other builders using? I intend flying off a grass strip so am going for the larger tyre. Also what are the pros and cons between hydraulic and cable brakes? > > Sorry for what probably sounds like a mundane question but im stumped! > > Scotty > Australia ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:58 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? Jack, I too have clevelands with matco brakes and they work great. I don't worry about over braking because you just cant. Maybe it is because the matco cylinders are smaller than the clevelands. Gardiner. ________________________________ From: Jack Phillips Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 11:23:39 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? RE: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? I also haveCleveland brakes off (I believe) a 172, but I have 21" motorcycle rims. I use the MatcoMC-4master cylinders, which have a piston diameter of .625". I believe 6.00 x 6 Cleveland brakes have a 2" diameter piston (don't remember exactly), which would mean a 50 lb push on the master cylinder would generate a hydraulic presure of 50/(p(.625)2/4)=163 psi. When this pressure is applied to the brake caliper, it generates a force of 163 x (p(22/4)) or 512 lbs, so you get about a 10:1 advantage. With the tall wheels, I find my brakes are adequate for stopping and to hold it for a runup, but they can't hold it against full power. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Can someone explain brake ratings please? As with David's experience, so with mine. NX41CC has 6.00x6 on the main gear, with hydraulic brakes straight off an older Cessna 172. I operate off of grass whenever possible and I love the way the Piet flies off of grass with this setup. I know that the people who have motorcycle-type wheels have things a little bit different than we who have fat tires and spring or bungee gear, but they both have their pros and cons. I prefer the slightly larger and fatter tires for appearance as well. The smaller ones seem to be out of scale for the airplane. The brakes on the airplane work very well in all conditions, readily hold the airplane during static runup, but are not overpowering for the 1080 lb. gross weight. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much much more: http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-ListSame great content also available via the Web Forums! http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:58 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 ________________________________ From: Michael Hardaway Sent: Sat, April 10, 2010 11:07:51 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 This same system uses "furlongs per fortnight" to measure Piet speed. The metric system uses "centimeters per century." >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of r.r.hall@cox.net >Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:20 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: special note about T-88 >I usually use Gill, Drams and minims when I measure mine. :-) >Rodney Hall with that wacky English system used in the USA >---- Steve Glass wrote: > Is it still 50/50 if you use the metric system? or do you have to convert it to cubits and work backwards? >Steve in Maine ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:52 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love.....Well, actually, pretty much the only country in the world still using inches and feet is the US. Even England, the very home of the system, is metric. There's an awful lot of potential Pieters outside the US. And non of them have measuring tools that are NOT metric. Personaly, I find inches much easier when working with wood and metal in the way necessary for what we're doing. Clif, nasty old holdout. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: from Russia with love..... I think it's pretty innocuous, FWIW. It's just my opinion, but who is going to build from GIF images of metric plans? I guess it could happen, but the cost of the plans is such a small percentage of the overall project. Of course, there are crazy people out there. There's even a guy who built a Piet AND an RV! :) Sure, it is in metric, making it less likely that someone would use the plans....but why would you post that? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Michael Silvius wrote: Came across this one while perusing a Russian builders bulletin board. http://www.vulkan-avia.ru/pitenpol_design.htm also home page of the link has all the F&G manuals in PDF for download Michael in Maine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/16/10 11:31:00 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:06 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nice flight, not such a good ending! The bolt holding the tailwheel to the welded ladder sheared, so there was no damage to anything as near as I can tell. The wheel came off, the tali came down on the pad of the welded ladder and simply acted as a tail skid. > >Jeff, how did you miss damaging your rudder? 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