Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 04/19/10


Total Messages Posted: 33



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     1. 12:13 AM - Re: Ryan's Piet  (jorge lizarraga)
     2. 04:40 AM - Re: Ryan's Piet (Gary Boothe)
     3. 05:50 AM - Re: Wing flop (Gary Boothe)
     4. 05:51 AM - anybody with some spare time? (Douwe Blumberg)
     5. 07:07 AM - Re: anybody with some spare time? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
     6. 07:11 AM - Re: anybody with some spare time? (Gene & Tammy)
     7. 07:37 AM - B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video  (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
     8. 07:38 AM - Re: Wing flop (Dan Yocum)
     9. 07:40 AM - Re: I finally bought the plans! (Dan Yocum)
    10. 07:43 AM - Gary's panel [was: Re: Ryan's Piet] (Dan Yocum)
    11. 07:52 AM - Re: too windy to fly so I'll fix (Dan Yocum)
    12. 07:54 AM - Re: Wing flop (airlion)
    13. 08:38 AM - Re: Wing flop (Rick Holland)
    14. 08:42 AM - Re: Wing flop (Rick Holland)
    15. 09:04 AM - Re: Wing flop (Dan Yocum)
    16. 10:22 AM - Re: B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video (Jim Markle)
    17. 10:35 AM - Re: Wing flop (Ryan Mueller)
    18. 10:52 AM - Re: Gary's panel [was: Re: Ryan's Piet] (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    19. 11:30 AM - Re: Wing flop (Bill Church)
    20. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Ryan's Piet (Jim)
    21. 01:25 PM - Re: B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video (shad bell)
    22. 01:42 PM - Re: anybody with some spare time? (shad bell)
    23. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Ryan's Piet (Jeff Boatright)
    24. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Another newbie! (Jack Phillips)
    25. 04:25 PM - Re: Ryan's Piet (Ben Charvet)
    26. 04:39 PM - Re: Ryan's Piet (Jack Phillips)
    27. 05:05 PM - Re: Ryan's Piet (Gary Boothe)
    28. 05:05 PM - Re: Ryan's Piet (Gary Boothe)
    29. 05:26 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food (Matthew VanDervort)
    30. 07:47 PM - Re: anybody with some spare time? (Michael F. Townsley)
    31. 07:47 PM - Ohio Pietenpol gathering (shad bell)
    32. 07:57 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food (H RULE)
    33. 08:12 PM - Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food (Matthew VanDervort)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:13:16 AM PST US
    From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Ryan's Piet
    that be fantastic in tese moment from few wek for now stare my ribs and mor e welding parts also make 1 set from hinges change whide and hig from fit b olt and free trabel and is bery nice and berer those original disainer is b eri difivult from my make .tanks for you help seyou nex jorge --- On Sun, 4/18/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet ok Thanks, Jorge. Just keep at it, one piece at a time.really hoping to fly with you someday! =C2- Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done,=C2-Fuselage=C2-on gear (18 ribs down) From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jorge lizarraga Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 5:18 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet ok =C2- hooo. that is a p51 mustank cocpit is B..A....T...I...F...U...Ljust a museu m pise I whish my looks like yourskeep goin almost done .jorge from hanford --- On Sun, 4/18/10, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet Nice looking plane! looking forward to the pic with you guys in th e air =C2- I think I=99ll try leaving the aluminum polished, unless the glare be comes a problem. =C2- Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet =C2- Here's a pretty good view we snapped when we went to visit Gene and Tammy: =C2- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/N502R/hires/IMG_1454.JPG =C2- Nice panel setup. Are you going to leave the metal coverplate as is, or may be try your hand at engine turning? Good looking throttle quadrant too. =C2- Ryan =C2- On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! Here's a pic of my panel progress.... I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Muelle r Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Enjoy. Thanks Gary ! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee ), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > >>> >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>> the end of July. =C2- ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > =C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listh ttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2 - =C2-" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-List=nofollow>http://forums.matronics.comblank rel=nofollo w>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp:/ /forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 04:40:54 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Ryan's Piet
    Thanks Jim, The empty hole gets an Oil Temp/Pressure gauge. Lower right is for the Master Switch and Starter Switch. The control stick is hand shaped after laminating. Throttle quadrant is home-made...still have to do the hook up. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet Hi Gary, I really like your laminated control stick and the beautiful instrument panel. Its very clean looking and well laid out. What is the instrument going in the empty hole? Did you turn the control stick handle yourself? Where did you get the throttle quadrant, AS#S? Jim Also have meant to ask you what diameter your push rod is to the elevator bellcrank? Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 18, 2010, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! Here's a pic of my panel progress.... I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > >>> >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>> the end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:50:21 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Wing flop
    Chris, Here's a pic I took of Larry Williams' Piet last year. Looks like he chose to make the flop same width as the C/S, with the fairing attached. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if making it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorter in length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend beyond the center section lendth? Chris Sacramento,Ca Westcoastpiet.com


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    Time: 05:51:20 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: anybody with some spare time?
    Hey guys, Well, the more things are uncovered, the more we find. The latest kick in the gut turns out to be that the guy I bought the project from, who did much of the basic woodwork, while being a great carpenter, evidently wasn't a whiz at mixing glue. Looks like he used plastic resing glue (like weldwood that ASS spruce still sells) which is very sensetive to curing temps and mixing ratios. As they started fixing the wing at Sun N' Fun, they discovered the rib gussets would basically pop off without much effort, failing the glue joints, which obviously calls into question the rest of the airframe built by him. After recovering from this shock, I have decided again not to quit, but to uncover everything, and go over the structure with a fine tooth comb and replace/reinforce every questionable glue joint in the airframe. MOST of the glue joints in the fuse appear strong, well executed and came through the shock well. It appears as if he went too light on the wings producing some glue starved joints. However, every bit will be gone over and brought up to standard. The SNF gang decided that they could remove each gusset, clean it and epoxy it back without taking the wing apart and has done a large chunk of the wing they took. The other wing needs to be done and they both need recovering. Needless to say... though I am ressolute, and will not quit... I am more than a little discouraged right now. SO, I got to thinking... Is there anybody out there with woodworking skills and some time on their hands that I could contract some of this work out to? I'm thinking that if I could pay someone to do the wings while I did the fuselage, this might be less overwhelming and might help someone out who needs some extra income right now. The upshot of all this is that I strongly feel GOD's hand in all of this. If that gust hadn't sent Lowell into that ditch, I might not have discovered this until I was at four thousand feet somewhere. So it is actually a good thing and I am grateful, though very upset that I have been working away on a subpar structure for nine years. God is good! Douwe ps. John, we really enjoyed having you down, thanks for the help!!


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    Time: 07:07:34 AM PST US
    From: Isablcorky@aol.com
    Subject: Re: anybody with some spare time?
    Where do you live? What really needs to be done? Only God knows how much time I have remaining but I'm presently idle and might be of a little help. Don't need any money. Corky


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    Time: 07:11:42 AM PST US
    From: "Gene & Tammy" <zharvey@bentoncountycable.net>
    Subject: Re: anybody with some spare time?
    Douwe, my heart goes out to you. You definitely have the "Suvivors attitude"! It'll make your first fight, and all the other flights you make in your Piet, that much sweeter. As you know, things happen for a reason. Keep the faith and keep moving forward. (Still feel bad I was so hard on ya) Gene in Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: anybody with some spare time? > <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Hey guys, > > Well, the more things are uncovered, the more we find. The latest kick in > the gut turns out to be that the guy I bought the project from, who did > much > of the basic woodwork, while being a great carpenter, evidently wasn't a > whiz at mixing glue. Looks like he used plastic resing glue (like > weldwood > that ASS spruce still sells) which is very sensetive to curing temps and > mixing ratios. As they started fixing the wing at Sun N' Fun, they > discovered the rib gussets would basically pop off without much effort, > failing the glue joints, which obviously calls into question the rest of > the > airframe built by him. > > After recovering from this shock, I have decided again not to quit, but to > uncover everything, and go over the structure with a fine tooth comb and > replace/reinforce every questionable glue joint in the airframe. MOST of > the glue joints in the fuse appear strong, well executed and came through > the shock well. It appears as if he went too light on the wings producing > some glue starved joints. However, every bit will be gone over and > brought > up to standard. > > The SNF gang decided that they could remove each gusset, clean it and > epoxy > it back without taking the wing apart and has done a large chunk of the > wing > they took. The other wing needs to be done and they both need recovering. > > Needless to say... though I am ressolute, and will not quit... I am more > than a little discouraged right now. SO, I got to thinking... > > Is there anybody out there with woodworking skills and some time on their > hands that I could contract some of this work out to? I'm thinking that > if > I could pay someone to do the wings while I did the fuselage, this might > be > less overwhelming and might help someone out who needs some extra income > right now. > > The upshot of all this is that I strongly feel GOD's hand in all of this. > If that gust hadn't sent Lowell into that ditch, I might not have > discovered > this until I was at four thousand feet somewhere. So it is actually a > good > thing and I am grateful, though very upset that I have been working away > on > a subpar structure for nine years. > > God is good! > > Douwe > > ps. John, we really enjoyed having you down, thanks for the help!! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 06:31:00


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    Time: 07:37:24 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video
    http://www.vimeo.com/11033804 This video gets REALLY good about 2 minutes into it. Went down to Dayton with my brother over the weekend to witness this amazing event. They had 18 B-25's to honor the Doolittle Raider's 68th reunion at the USAF Museum. Lined up on the main runway at the museum Saturday wingtip to wingtip. What a sight. Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 07:38:22 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    On 04/18/2010 05:41 PM, Lloyd Smith wrote: > In light of the recent mishap w/ Douwe's Piet, how well would the pilot > fair in a noseover with the flop in place? Would it hinder egress > during an emergency if the airplane were on it's back? I would guess it wouldn't hinder a self-extracted exit since it's an open cockpit. Oscar also nosed over in 41CC and he's still here to tell the tale. > > I'm also thinking of the RV that flipped at Brodhead this past summer. > That large canopy wouldn't open while the airplane was on it's back if I > recall. Yeah, there was no way that guy would have gotten out if we hadn't been there to lift the tail. Just goes to show you that a Piet is more safe than an RV-7, eh? I think that's just a risk a person takes flying a low-wing aircraft that has a canopy that pivots or slides. The risk is lower with a plane with side doors or a high-wing to bear the load of the plane. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 07:40:53 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: I finally bought the plans!
    Finally, I can say congrats in public! I'm really looking forward to being able to fly with you guys! Speaking of flying, the weather looks pretty good for tomorrow... think I might take another half-day of vacation... :-) Cheers! Dan On 04/18/2010 12:55 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at the >>> end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 07:43:53 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet]
    Wow! That's gorgeous. Maybe with a Covair you'll find the VSI useful. If my static system actually worked, I'm sure I'd rarely see it move to the first big tick (500fpm). Dan On 04/18/2010 06:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! > > Here's a pic of my panel progress.... > > I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ryan Mueller<rmueller23@gmail.com> > > Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to > Brodhead this year? > > Ryan > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >> Congratulations, Ryan& Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, Ca. >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> (18 ribs down.) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ryan Mueller<rmueller23@gmail.com> >> >> We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! >> >> Ryan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright<jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: >> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright<jboatri@emory.edu >>>> >>> >>> Which one did you buy? >>> >>>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>>> the end of July. ;) >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jeff Boatright >>> "Now let's think about this..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 07:52:15 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: too windy to fly so I'll fix
    Shad, On 04/18/2010 07:02 PM, shad bell wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: shad bell<aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > > > I seem to be the guy that has to learn the hard way, by doing. Learn from my failures, and triumphs. Taking off the paint is easy with the latex, soak a rag in mek, hold it on the paint to let it penetrate, then lightly scrape the paint away, it peels off fairly clean. I use a plastic scraper. The tougher, or more labor intensive part is blending the paint in. We used Cecobond cement, which is waterbased. Dad did not use the complete cecobond paint system, just the fabric cement. Glue the patch on as per your fabric system instructions. Next I brush 2-3 coats of the latex base "primer" color which is white on ours, and let dry 24 hrs or so. Then wetsand untill smooth, and the outter area of the primer is almost gone, thus leaving the low spot where you removed the paint, filled in. I think 3-4 coats of base color should fill the low spots, and hopefully 2-3 sessions of wetsanding is all that will be required to look decent. Then I plan on 3-4 > brush coats of orange to match the rest of the wing. Hopefully the orange will match, it's been out in the hanger all winter freeze and thaw, but it mixed up well last week. That's about it, I think this patch will be my best one yet (out of neccesity, it's going to be in a visible area). One recomendation I have is make a frame out of 2x4 etc and cover it exsactly like your airplane, then you can practice on it. also when you go flying throw it out in the sun, and put in back in the hanger when your done. This will give you a fairly accurate fabric deterioratin (spelling) test sample if your wondering how its holding up. OH YEA, don't forget to use some Flotrol in your latex, it helps the paint flow out a little smoother, directions on the bottle. > Thanks for the description. There are a few trailer rashes on the wings of N8031 which are on my medium long list of things to attend to. That, and the cracks in the paint over the turtledeck stringers. Nothing serious, but still things I'd like to fix up in the future. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 07:54:10 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    I do not have a flop, but I do have a curved opening over the rear pit for easier ingress or egress. I would like to install a hinged cover out of lex an over the top of the contour wing to keep wind off my back in the winter. would this affect the aerodynamics ? Cheers, Gardiner Mason=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, April 19, 2010 8:28:25 AM =0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop=0A=0A =0AChris,=0A =0AHere =99s a pic I took of Larry Williams=99=0APiet last year. Looks like h e chose to make the flop same width as the C/S,=0Awith the fairing attached .=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ACool, Ca.=0APietenpol=0AWW Corvair Conversion, mounte d=0ATail done, Fuselage on gear=0A(18 ribs down)=0A=0A____________ ____________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris=0A Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51=0AAM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop=0A =0AI am installing a flop in the c enter of my wing and want to know if=0Amaking it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or=0Ashould it be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron=0Ajust shorter in length, about 24 inches l ong. Speaking of=0Alength, should it exstend beyond the center section len dth?=0A =0AChris=0ASacramento ,Ca=0AWestcoastpiet.com=0A =0A =0Ahttp://ww w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Aht tp://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 08:38:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    The only advantage I have heard so far to adding a flop was to keep the su n off your head, but keeping the cold wind off my back sounds good too. Now I am glad I added a flop (even though its a hybrid flop with an opening). rick On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:53 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I do not have a flop, but I do have a curved opening over the rear pit fo r > easier ingress or egress. I would like to install a hinged cover out of > lexan over the top of the contour wing to keep wind off my back in the > winter. would this affect the aerodynamics ? Cheers, Gardiner Mason > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Mon, April 19, 2010 8:28:25 AM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop > > Chris, > > > Here=92s a pic I took of Larry Williams=92 Piet last year. Looks like he chose > to make the flop same width as the C/S, with the fairing attached. > > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down=85) > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris > *Sent:* Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Wing flop > > > I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if makin g > it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it b e > wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorter i n > length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend beyo nd > the center section lendth? > > > Chris > > Sacramento ,Ca > > Westcoastpiet.com > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 08:42:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    > > Yeah, there was no way that guy would have gotten out if we hadn't been > there to lift the tail. Just goes to show you that a Piet is more safe than > an RV-7, eh? > > I think that's just a risk a person takes flying a low-wing aircraft that > has a canopy that pivots or slides. The risk is lower with a plane with > side doors or a high-wing to bear the load of the plane. > > The RV sales guy at SNF said that they make the front canopy of the RV-12 (and maybe all of them) of Plexiglas rather that lexan so a pilot can break it out to escape a roll-over. rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 09:04:16 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    On 04/19/2010 10:41 AM, Rick Holland wrote: > The RV sales guy at SNF said that they make the front canopy of the > RV-12 (and maybe all of them) of Plexiglas rather that lexan so a pilot > can break it out to escape a roll-over. Oh, the canopy was broken, there was no question of that. There just wasn't enough clearance between the top of the turtledeck and the gunwales for anyone to squirm out. Only when we lifted the tail could the gent wiggle out. Part of the problem could have been because the tail and top of the turtledeck were embedded in the dirt. It might be a different story on hard surface. Then again, I bet an RV wouldn't flip on a hard surface... Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 10:22:06 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video
    wow, seeing that puff of smoke and hearing that round engine start...awesome. -----Original Message----- >From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> >Sent: Apr 19, 2010 9:36 AM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video > > >http://www.vimeo.com/11033804 > >This video gets REALLY good about 2 minutes into it. Went down to Dayton with my >brother over the weekend to witness this amazing event. They had 18 B-25's to honor >the Doolittle Raider's 68th reunion at the USAF Museum. Lined up on the main runway >at the museum Saturday wingtip to wingtip. What a sight. > >Mike C. > >do not archive > >


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    Time: 10:35:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    There you have it.......gotta be careful venturing off the hardball when you have the wheel on the wrong end... :) Ryan do not archive On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote: > <snip> > > Then again, I bet an RV wouldn't flip on a hard surface... > > > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > >


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    Time: 10:52:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet]
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    Dan, Point taken. My place of retirement will be Western Montana. I'm hoping 100hp will be helpful. If nothing else, it'll tell me how fast I'm going down! Gary Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> Subject: Gary's panel [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet] Wow! That's gorgeous. Maybe with a Covair you'll find the VSI useful. If my static system actually worked, I'm sure I'd rarely see it move to the first big tick (500fpm). Dan On 04/18/2010 06:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! > > Here's a pic of my panel progress.... > > I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ryan Mueller<rmueller23@gmail.com> > > Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to > Brodhead this year? > > Ryan > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"<gboothe5@comcast.net> >> >> Congratulations, Ryan& Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, Ca. >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> (18 ribs down.) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan > Mueller >> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ryan Mueller<rmueller23@gmail.com> >> >> We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! >> >> Ryan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright<jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: >> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright<jboatri@emory.edu >>>> >>> >>> Which one did you buy? >>> >>>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>>> the end of July. ;) >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jeff Boatright >>> "Now let's think about this..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 11:30:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing flop
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Chris, MY question would be: If you make your center-section flop just like a third aileron, would you link it to the left or right aileron cable? Just wonderin'. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294862#294862


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    Time: 12:41:19 PM PST US
    From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net>
    Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet
    Hi Gary, I think the VSI is called a "Rate of Descent Indicator" in a Piet. Thats what I have been telling Arlene anyway. Jim Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 19, 2010, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: Thanks Jim, The empty hole gets an Oil Temp/Pressure gauge. Lower right is for the Master Switch and Starter Switch. The control stick is hand shaped after laminating. Throttle quadrant is home-made...still have to do the hook up. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:36 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet Hi Gary, I really like your laminated control stick and the beautiful instrument panel. Its very clean looking and well laid out. What is the instrument going in the empty hole? Did you turn the control stick handle yourself? Where did you get the throttle quadrant, AS#S? Jim Also have meant to ask you what diameter your push rod is to the elevator bellcrank? Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 18, 2010, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! Here's a pic of my panel progress.... I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > >>> >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>> the end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:25:21 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: B-25 Doolittle Raider Reunion video
    I had a once in a lifetime chance to fly on a B-25 a couple years ago at DLZ's fly-in, for free! I voulenteered to park aircraft and they gave the unsold seats to fly-in voulenteers. Sitting in that thing with the engines warming up was AWESOME! It is very loud, the afterfiring sounds about like sitting in a steel trash can and having someone beat it with a Louisville Slugger. I will never forget it. I was secretly pretending I was a WW2 bomber crewmember like I would have if I was 10 yrs old (even though I was almost 30). If you get a chance I recomend the ride. We were allowed to crawl all through it after being airborn, what a hoot! Shad


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    Time: 01:42:02 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: anybody with some spare time?
    Dowue, Do go through it with a fine tooth comb, Don't trash every thing. I bought my Jungster 1 project from a builder who did a GREAT job with the basic wood work, but...some of the glue joints in the wings were awfull bad. As you say, you must heed the warnings on the adheasives you use, temp humidity etc. I scrapped my wings (4 wing pannels it's a bipe) and built all new, the fuse was better, and only had a couple of things to re-glue. God watches out for us, and the incident could have saved your life (life is funny that way isn't it?). Just keep plugging away and it'll be done before you know it, even better than the last time. And remember as Grandpa used to say....."Once a job has once begun, never leave it till it's done. Be the labor great, or small, do it right, or not at all." That's my words to live by. Shad P.S. If you can make it, come on down for the Ohio piet fly-in, june 19


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    Time: 02:54:15 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet
    It's a Decent Rate Indicator, but it'll never fly, Orville. > > >Hi Gary, >I think the VSI is called a "Rate of Descent Indicator" in a Piet. >Thats what I have been telling Arlene anyway. >Jim > >Jim Boyer >Santa Rosa, CA >Pietenpol on wheels >Tail surfaces done >Wing ribs done >Corvair engine -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 04:24:14 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Another newbie!
    Welcome to the world of Pietenpols, and Pietenpolers. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC Just back from flying my Pietenpol down to Sun 'n' Fun -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 12:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another newbie! i'm in PA near Philadelphia -------- I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294542#294542


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    Time: 04:25:55 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Ryan's Piet
    It really is a beautiful panel, but where does the slip ball indicator go? Ben Charvet NX866BC On 4/18/2010 7:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! > > Here's a pic of my panel progress.... > > I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > >


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    Time: 04:39:27 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Ryan's Piet
    Beautiful work, Gary! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! Here's a pic of my panel progress.... I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > >>> >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>> the end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 05:05:17 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Ryan's Piet
    Center top...stay tuned... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet It really is a beautiful panel, but where does the slip ball indicator go? Ben Charvet NX866BC On 4/18/2010 7:16 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! > > Here's a pic of my panel progress.... > > I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > >


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    Time: 05:05:42 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Ryan's Piet
    Thanks, Jack! As Dan pointed out, the ROC may be hyperbole (not his words). If so, I'll replace that with a bigger Airspeed and mount a panel mounted compass. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Beautiful work, Gary! Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ryan's Piet Negative...got the obligatory in-law reunion...WooHoo!! Here's a pic of my panel progress.... I can't find a pic of Walt's Piet. Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! Enjoy. Thanks Gary! I don't recall, are you going to be able to make it to Brodhead this year? Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > > Congratulations, Ryan & Jess! I'll smoke a cigar for you.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:55 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I finally bought the plans! > > > We're buying Gene's Piet (Gene from Tennessee), N502R! > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> wrote: > >>> >> >> Which one did you buy? >> >>> And there will be a second Piet at Olson right after Brodhead at >>> the end of July. ;) >>> >>> Ryan >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jeff Boatright >> "Now let's think about this..." >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 05:26:33 PM PST US
    From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food
    Shad, I assure you all of the stories you have heard are true!! I think my girlie is actually looking forward to it also. Not as much as I am but I'll take it! Side note, if all goes well, I will have a pietenpol in my garage pretty soon!! Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:22 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote: > <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > > Good to hear Matthew, Bill See tells stories of you being filthy > dirty and running all over at Brodhead when you were just a > young'un. Well I guess the "pregos" (your wife and mine) can swap > women stories while us men swap flying stories....."There I was at > fligt level 310 with the # 1 on fire and #2 feathered..." I am > really looking forward to the fly-in. I > > Shad > > P.S. Whoever is in charge of weather, we need sunny, calm and nice > >> I'm planning on bringing the ole T-Craft up that way, >> it's been way to long since it's been to centerburg, or >> Wynkoop for that fact! So count us (myself and 7month >> prego girlie!) in! Will show up early Saturday >> morning and out that evening. I'm looking forward to >> it, vacation request was just put in! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:37 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> >>> >>> >>> Group, To all those who plan on attending our Ohio >> piet fly-in, I am trying to come up with a way to keep it >> affordable for me,and Dad so we can do it again in the >> future. I am planning on making it pot luck, bring a >> dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because you are >> flying in, a donation jar. I might just hand out >> tickets for a small donation, which is basically a meal >> pass, bringing a covered dish, chips, soda etc would get you >> a free ticket. One of the reasons I might need to do >> this, is there are a few locals who have in the past shown >> up uninvited to take advantage of peoples good nature, to >> feed 10+ people with no intention of helping to donate or >> contribute in any such way, and are blaitant in doing so >> (it's a long story) If any of you have any other ideas >> let me know. For those of you who plan on bringing >> food, I will try to get a list of who is bringing what a >> month or so in advance so I can get to the store to buy the >> rest, so >>> everyone will have a full belly. Don, Mike, >> Frank, Skipp, and other friday night campers, I was thinking >> if you want we can pile into the 1932 model A truck >> (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to the dinner for >> breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 miles down >> the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up >> breakfast here, (I might be treading on thin ice with the >> boss at that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If >> I destroy the kitchen, I'll be camping at my own house. So >> far I have 6-7 piets planning on attending, and 3-4 more of >> maybe's, 4,5 piet builders (still building), some flying in, >> others driving, one international attendee (Scott Knowlton, >> from Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a dozzen or so of my >> aviation friends and family. >>> >>> Shad >>> >>> P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are >> only about $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be >> plenty, I just use my tree when the laddies aren't looking. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> Email Forum - >> FAQ, >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:47:08 PM PST US
    From: "Michael F. Townsley" <allischalmersguy@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: anybody with some spare time?
    Amen Douwe!!! Pastor Mike Townsley Douwe Blumberg wrote: > > Hey guys, > > Well, the more things are uncovered, the more we find. The latest kick in > the gut turns out to be that the guy I bought the project from, who did much > of the basic woodwork, while being a great carpenter, evidently wasn't a > whiz at mixing glue. Looks like he used plastic resing glue (like weldwood > that ASS spruce still sells) which is very sensetive to curing temps and > mixing ratios. As they started fixing the wing at Sun N' Fun, they > discovered the rib gussets would basically pop off without much effort, > failing the glue joints, which obviously calls into question the rest of the > airframe built by him. > > After recovering from this shock, I have decided again not to quit, but to > uncover everything, and go over the structure with a fine tooth comb and > replace/reinforce every questionable glue joint in the airframe. MOST of > the glue joints in the fuse appear strong, well executed and came through > the shock well. It appears as if he went too light on the wings producing > some glue starved joints. However, every bit will be gone over and brought > up to standard. > > The SNF gang decided that they could remove each gusset, clean it and epoxy > it back without taking the wing apart and has done a large chunk of the wing > they took. The other wing needs to be done and they both need recovering. > > Needless to say... though I am ressolute, and will not quit... I am more > than a little discouraged right now. SO, I got to thinking... > > Is there anybody out there with woodworking skills and some time on their > hands that I could contract some of this work out to? I'm thinking that if > I could pay someone to do the wings while I did the fuselage, this might be > less overwhelming and might help someone out who needs some extra income > right now. > > The upshot of all this is that I strongly feel GOD's hand in all of this. > If that gust hadn't sent Lowell into that ditch, I might not have discovered > this until I was at four thousand feet somewhere. So it is actually a good > thing and I am grateful, though very upset that I have been working away on > a subpar structure for nine years. > > God is good! > > Douwe > > ps. John, we really enjoyed having you down, thanks for the help!! > > >


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    Time: 07:47:21 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Ohio Pietenpol gathering
    Just to let everyone know, It is NOT the Ohio Pietenpol Fly-In, it is Shad and Gary Bell's Pietenpol Party. Invatation only, pietenpol guys are invited. If you happen to fly in to the party good for you. But Officially it's just a party. ( a fly-in has too many insurance requirements). No one said you had to fly in, in a Pietenpol, but it should have a tailwheel. Any questions, let me know. So .... I look forward to the Pietenpol Party here on June 19 2010. Grand Prize to the 1st Piet to arrive gets overnight hanger accomidations with the Latex, Corvair, powered gizmo with a tailwheel. (along with 2 other partially compleated airplanes) Shad


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    Time: 07:57:12 PM PST US
    From: H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food
    do you have a father or an uncle named Peter who lives in Manotic Ontario C anada?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Matthew VanDe rvort <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>=0ATo: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" < pietenpol-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Mon, April 19, 2010 8:23:39 PM=0ASubj ect: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in, food=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List mes sage posted by: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>=0A=0AShad ,=0A- - I assure you all of the stories you have heard are true!!=0A=0A I think my girlie is actually looking forward to it also. Not as much- =0Aas I am but I'll take it!=0A=0ASide note, if all goes well, I will have a pietenpol in my garage- =0Apretty soon!!=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Apr 18, 2010, at 8:22 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yah =0A> <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0A>=0A> Good to hear Matthew, Bill See tells s tories of you being filthy- =0A> dirty and running all over at Brodhead w hen you were just a- =0A> young'un.- Well I guess the "pregos" (your wi fe and mine) can swap- =0A> women stories while us men swap flying storie s....."There I was at- =0A> fligt level 310 with the # 1 on fire and #2 f eathered..."- I am- =0A> really looking forward to the fly-in. I=0A>=0A > Shad=0A>=0A> P.S.- Whoever is in charge of weather, we need sunny, calm and nice- >=0A>> I'm planning on bringing the ole T-Craft up that way, =0A>> it's been way to long since it's been to centerburg, or=0A>> Wynkoop for that fact!- So count us (myself and 7month=0A>> prego girlie!) in!- Will show up early Saturday=0A>> morning- and out that evening. I'm look ing forward to=0A>> it, vacation request was just put in!=0A>>=0A>> Sent fr om my iPhone=0A>>=0A>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:37 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@y bell=0A>> <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Group, To all those wh o plan on attending our Ohio=0A>> piet fly-in, I am trying to come up with a way to keep it=0A>> affordable for me,and Dad so we can do it again in th e=0A>> future.- I am planning on making it pot luck, bring a=0A>> dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because you are=0A>> flying in, a don ation jar.- I might just hand out=0A>> tickets for a small donation, whic h is basically a meal=0A>> pass, bringing a covered dish, chips, soda etc w ould get you=0A>> a free ticket.- One of the reasons I might need to do =0A>> this, is there are a few locals who have in the past shown=0A>> up un invited to take advantage of peoples good nature, to=0A>> feed 10+ people w ith no intention of helping to donate or=0A>> contribute in any such way, a nd are blaitant in doing so=0A>> (it's a long story)- If any of you have any other ideas=0A>> let me know.- For those of you who plan on bringing =0A>> food, I will try to get a list of who is bringing what a=0A>> month o r so in advance so I can get to the store to buy the=0A>> rest, so=0A>>> ev eryone will have a full belly.- Don, Mike,=0A>> Frank, Skipp, and other f riday night campers, I was thinking=0A>> if you want we can pile into the 1 932 model A truck=0A>> (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to the dinn er for=0A>> breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 miles down=0A >> the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up=0A>> breakfast here , (I might be treading on thin ice with the=0A>> boss at that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If=0A>> I destroy the kitchen, I'll be campi ng at my own house. So=0A>> far I have 6-7 piets planning on attending, and 3-4 more of=0A>> maybe's, 4,5 piet builders (still building), some flying in,=0A>> others driving, one international attendee (Scott Knowlton,=0A>> f rom Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a dozzen or so of my=0A>> aviation frie nds and family.=0A>>>=0A>>> Shad=0A>>>=0A>>> P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are=0A>> only about $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be=0A>> plenty, I just use my tree when the laddies aren't looking. =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>> Email Forum -=0A >> FAQ,=0A>>- - - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -=0A>> List Contribution Web Sit e -=0A>>- - - - - - - -Matt=0A>> Dralle, List Admin.=0A>>=0A> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List ======


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    Time: 08:12:14 PM PST US
    From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ohio piet fly-in, food
    No family in canada that I know of, just a few 70 Knotters! (none with the name Vandervort thou) Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2010, at 10:54 PM, H RULE <harvey.rule@rogers.com> wrote: > do you have a father or an uncle named Peter who lives in Manotic > Ontario Canada? > > From: Matthew VanDervort <matthew.vandervort@gmail.com> > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 8:23:39 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio piet fly-in, food > > > > > Shad, > I assure you all of the stories you have heard are true!! > > I think my girlie is actually looking forward to it also. Not as much > as I am but I'll take it! > > Side note, if all goes well, I will have a pietenpol in my garage > pretty soon!! > > Do not archive > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 18, 2010, at 8:22 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > > > > Good to hear Matthew, Bill See tells stories of you being filthy > > dirty and running all over at Brodhead when you were just a > > young'un. Well I guess the "pregos" (your wife and mine) can swap > > women stories while us men swap flying stories....."There I was at > > fligt level 310 with the # 1 on fire and #2 feathered..." I am > > really looking forward to the fly-in. I > > > > Shad > > > > P.S. Whoever is in charge of weather, we need sunny, calm and > nice > > >> I'm planning on bringing the ole T-Craft up that way, > >> it's been way to long since it's been to centerburg, or > >> Wynkoop for that fact! So count us (myself and 7month > >> prego girlie!) in! Will show up early Saturday > >> morning and out that evening. I'm looking forward to > >> it, vacation request was just put in! > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Apr 8, 2010, at 6:37 PM, shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> > >>> > >>> > >>> Group, To all those who plan on attending our Ohio > >> piet fly-in, I am trying to come up with a way to keep it > >> affordable for me,and Dad so we can do it again in the > >> future. I am planning on making it pot luck, bring a > >> dish to pass, or if you can't carry food etc because you are > >> flying in, a donation jar. I might just hand out > >> tickets for a small donation, which is basically a meal > >> pass, bringing a covered dish, chips, soda etc would get you > >> a free ticket. One of the reasons I might need to do > >> this, is there are a few locals who have in the past shown > >> up uninvited to take advantage of peoples good nature, to > >> feed 10+ people with no intention of helping to donate or > >> contribute in any such way, and are blaitant in doing so > >> (it's a long story) If any of you have any other ideas > >> let me know. For those of you who plan on bringing > >> food, I will try to get a list of who is bringing what a > >> month or so in advance so I can get to the store to buy the > >> rest, so > >>> everyone will have a full belly. Don, Mike, > >> Frank, Skipp, and other friday night campers, I was thinking > >> if you want we can pile into the 1932 model A truck > >> (stakebed) hay ride style, and go uptown to the dinner for > >> breakfast 1st thing saturday morning, it's only 2 miles down > >> the road, I think it would be easier than cooking up > >> breakfast here, (I might be treading on thin ice with the > >> boss at that point, she'll be 7 months pregnant by then) If > >> I destroy the kitchen, I'll be camping at my own house. So > >> far I have 6-7 piets planning on attending, and 3-4 more of > >> maybe's, 4,5 piet builders (still building), some flying in, > >> others driving, one international attendee (Scott Knowlton, > >> from Canada)flying in a Stinson, and a dozzen or so of my > >> aviation friends and family. > >>> > >>> Shad > >>> > >>> P.S. I called to get prices on rent-a-johns, they are > >> only about $100 per unit, for Friday-Monday, 2 should be > >> plenty, I just use my tree when the laddies aren't looking. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Email Forum - > >> FAQ, > >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> List Contribution Web Site - > >> -Matt > >> Dralle, List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > sp; --> http://forums.matronics.c &nbshref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target=_blank>http://www.m===================== > >




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