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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Re: Wing flop (Chris)
2. 04:03 AM - Re: Wing flop (Jerry Dotson)
3. 04:38 AM - Re: Wing flop (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 06:03 AM - Wing flop (Oscar Zuniga)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: Wing flop (skellytown flyer)
6. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Wing flop (Tim Willis)
7. 08:24 AM - Wing flop (Lawrence Williams)
8. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Wing flop (Rick Holland)
9. 09:43 AM - Cockpit covering for tying down outside (Ryan Mueller)
10. 10:27 AM - Piano hinge instalation (Catdesigns)
11. 11:09 AM - Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (Mike Whaley)
12. 11:10 AM - Re: Piano hinge instalation (Catdesigns)
13. 11:31 AM - Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (David Paule)
14. 11:40 AM - Re: Piano hinge instalation (Richard Schreiber)
15. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge instalation (Tim Willis)
16. 12:02 PM - Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
17. 12:04 PM - Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (Lagowski Morrow)
18. 12:41 PM - Re: Piano hinge instalation (Catdesigns)
19. 12:46 PM - Re: Piano hinge instalation (Catdesigns)
20. 01:15 PM - Re: Stromberg carb (Rick Holland)
21. 01:48 PM - Re: Stromberg carb (Ryan Mueller)
22. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Piano hinge instalation (Jack Phillips)
23. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: Piano hinge instalation (Richard Schreiber)
24. 05:43 PM - Re: Piano hinge instalation (Bill Church)
25. 05:54 PM - Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (Don Emch)
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Depends on which wing is heavey.
Chris
Sacramento,Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing flop
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Chris,
MY question would be: If you make your center-section flop just like a third
aileron, would you link it to the left or right aileron cable?
Just wonderin'.
BC
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Use it for a spoiler so you can get the Piet to come down!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Consequences, consequences,,,,,,, for deviating from The Great One's (Bern
erd's) plans!! Purists, live on!!!! "What a tangled web we weave".
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
NX929DH
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From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 9:53 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop
I do not have a flop, but I do have a curved opening over the rear pit for
easier ingress or egress. I would like to install a hinged cover out of
lexan over the top of the contour wing to keep wind off my back in the wi
nter. would this affect the aerodynamics ? Cheers, Gardiner Mason
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 8:28:25 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop
Chris,
Here=99s a pic I took of Larry Williams=99 Piet last year. Loo
ks like he chose to make the flop same width as the C/S, with the fairing
attached.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down)
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing flop
I am installing a flop in the center of my wing and want to know if making
it the same width (12" cord) as the aileron is a good idea or should it
be wider? Basically it would be built like the a 3rd aileron just shorte
r in length, about 24 inches long. Speaking of length, should it exstend
beyond the center section lendth?
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My two cents on the wing flop issue. I use the
centersection flop on 41CC every single time I
get in or get out of the airplane. It is the
full width of the (3-piece wing) centersection,
is hinged, and is square across the back (not
radiused cut out). My entry technique is to
raise the flop with my head as I climb into the
cockpit, or vice-versa as I exit. I do not
flop it all the way over onto the wing because
I've had an instance or two where the wind
flopped it right back down and pulled one or
two screws through the metal of the piano hinge.
Normal practice is to park with the nose into
the wind so the flop is always in danger of
being flopped back down by the wind.
The centersection flop on 41CC has latches but
I've never latched them except when parking the
airplane in high winds. It never moves in
flight, despite stories about how the lift over
the top of the wing will pull it up in flight.
If anything, the flow of air over the wing
tends to hold it firmly down, and when I push
up on it in flight, it takes a very firm push
to hold it up in the airstream.
The flop definitely serves to shade the pilot
when it's sunny and definitely helps to push
the windstream back past the pilot instead of
down into the cockpit. When it's cold, I lean
slightly forward to get behind the windscreen
and out of the slipstream pouring off the back
of the flop.
The radiused cutout with grab handles does
look nifty though.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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The information about them is sure helpful. I am not going to change mine right
now since I want to get it flying, but what if a fellow bolted a simple handle
to the backside of the rear spar on the center section to grab climbing in and
out.and then slotted the front of the flop to close over it? sure might be
a neat compromise.I sure may try it on mine at some point. Raymond
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Good idea. That is what some others have done, and what I will have, more or less.
-----Original Message-----
>From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 20, 2010 8:15 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing flop
>
>
>The information about them is sure helpful. I am not going to change mine right
now since I want to get it flying, but what if a fellow bolted a simple handle
to the backside of the rear spar on the center section to grab climbing in
and out.and then slotted the front of the flop to close over it? sure might be
a neat compromise.I sure may try it on mine at some point. Raymond
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294951#294951
>
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Larry Williams' flop extends past the centersection into the port wing stru
cture about 8".=0A=0AThose of you with centersection cut-outs-WILL lose a
bit of climb performance.=0A=0ALarry Williams=0A=0A=0A
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Thats what I did also.
rick
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:15 AM, skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>wrote:
> skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
> ats
> The information about them is sure helpful. I am not going to change mine
> right now since I want to get it flying, but what if a fellow bolted a
> simple handle to the backside of the rear spar on the center section to grab
> climbing in and out.and then slotted the front of the flop to close over it?
> sure might be a neat compromise.I sure may try it on mine at some point.
> Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294951#294951
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
Here's a question for Piet (or open cockpit in general) fliers:
For those that do not have, or did not always have, custom snap on/in
cockpit covers for your Piet, how do you cover the cockpits when having to
leave the airplane tied down outside overnight or in inclement weather? For
example, we will be meeting our Piet at Brodhead this year, and we'll
probably have it there Thursday through Sunday morning. I would imagine a
tarp and some light rope would be sufficient, but I thought I would ask and
see if there was a better/more desirable solution. Thanks,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Piano hinge instalation |
Can some of you who have installed full length piano hinges for the ailerons please
explain how you did it. Can I glue in both of the 1/2 inch beams and then
drill the holes for the hinge later? Or do I need to drill the holes before
gluing them in. If you glued both in the wing, how did you hold the hinge in place
when you drilled the holes? And how did you know you were going to hit the
hinge in the correct place? As always pictures of you doing this are always
appreciated.
Thanks
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
I considered this same issue and lucked into an elegant solution... I found
some surplus bomb bay actuators and hanges at an aviation flea market a
couple years ago, they only cost me a couple thousand bucks for the whole
set of 16. A few hundred more to restore the 8 units that I actually need,
and they look spiffy. The guy said they were from a B-36 but I think he
either lied or was confused since the serial numbers match a B-58, which is
fine for my purposes. I also got a surplus high-pressure hydraulic pump to
drive them, it's not that much bigger than the Corvair, so I think I can
mount that into a very unobtrusive pod under the fuselage. I'm making a
remotely-actuated, bifold, articulated cockpit cover to close over both the
front and rear 'pits to protect from the weather and such. I also got a good
deal on some old B-29 wing skins that are slightly curved in just the right
way, so I'll just cut those to shape for the 'pit covers. I'm also going to
drive the wing flop position with the same system. My flight data computer
(surplus B-52 part, it's about the size of a microwave oven and only about
85 lbs, but I haven't re-wired it yet) should be able to automatically
calculate the proper flop position several times a second, so it can double
as both a flap for takeoff and as a spoiler for quick descents. I figure
that I'll need that capability, since with all the streamlining and such
it'll be hard to get the Piet to come down otherwise.
BTW, anyone know anything about reprogramming a B-52 flight data computer?
-Mike
Mike Whaley
MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Cockpit covering for tying down outside
> Here's a question for Piet (or open cockpit in general) fliers:
>
> For those that do not have, or did not always have, custom snap on/in
> cockpit covers for your Piet, how do you cover the cockpits when having to
> leave the airplane tied down outside overnight or in inclement weather?
For
> example, we will be meeting our Piet at Brodhead this year, and we'll
> probably have it there Thursday through Sunday morning. I would imagine a
> tarp and some light rope would be sufficient, but I thought I would ask
and
> see if there was a better/more desirable solution. Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
All right, I admit it I made a newbie mistake. I asked before I searched the archives.
As usual I found a wealth of information in the archives on piano hinge
installation and even found pictures on Jack Textors website. When will
I learn?
To answer my own question, I can glue in the two aileron spars and then cut out
the aileron for hinge installation. Rolled hinges are ok and cheaper, use 100
degree counter sunk holes not the 80 degree or use low profile head screws (my
personal choice). Install nut plates on the back with glue and screws.
Ok, now that that is solved you can all get back to working on your planes.
Thanks
Chris
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Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
Dang, and I gave away my old B-52 flight manual, too. Sorry! But I think
that if you change out the printed circuit card for the -H version, it'll
work well enough. Maybe you can get a local high school kid to help with
that.
Still, I've got to ask... did you install the zero-zero ejection seats or
the original ones that needed some altitude to work with? If you used the
original ones be careful, because they don't like a rate of descent. Best to
operate while still in a rate of ascent, if achievable.
David Paule
>
> I considered this same issue and lucked into an elegant solution... I
> found
> some surplus bomb bay actuators and hanges at an aviation flea market a
> couple years ago, they only cost me a couple thousand bucks for the whole
> set of 16. A few hundred more to restore the 8 units that I actually need,
> and they look spiffy. The guy said they were from a B-36 but I think he
> either lied or was confused since the serial numbers match a B-58, which
> is
> fine for my purposes. I also got a surplus high-pressure hydraulic pump to
> drive them, it's not that much bigger than the Corvair, so I think I can
> mount that into a very unobtrusive pod under the fuselage. I'm making a
> remotely-actuated, bifold, articulated cockpit cover to close over both
> the
> front and rear 'pits to protect from the weather and such. I also got a
> good
> deal on some old B-29 wing skins that are slightly curved in just the
> right
> way, so I'll just cut those to shape for the 'pit covers. I'm also going
> to
> drive the wing flop position with the same system. My flight data computer
> (surplus B-52 part, it's about the size of a microwave oven and only about
> 85 lbs, but I haven't re-wired it yet) should be able to automatically
> calculate the proper flop position several times a second, so it can
> double
> as both a flap for takeoff and as a spoiler for quick descents. I figure
> that I'll need that capability, since with all the streamlining and such
> it'll be hard to get the Piet to come down otherwise.
>
> BTW, anyone know anything about reprogramming a B-52 flight data computer?
>
> -Mike
>
> Mike Whaley
> MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Mueller" <rmueller23@gmail.com>
> To: "Pietenpol List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:42 PM
> Subject: [piet] Pietenpol-List: Cockpit covering for tying down outside
>
>
>> Here's a question for Piet (or open cockpit in general) fliers:
>>
>> For those that do not have, or did not always have, custom snap on/in
>> cockpit covers for your Piet, how do you cover the cockpits when having
>> to
>> leave the airplane tied down outside overnight or in inclement weather?
> For
>> example, we will be meeting our Piet at Brodhead this year, and we'll
>> probably have it there Thursday through Sunday morning. I would imagine a
>> tarp and some light rope would be sufficient, but I thought I would ask
> and
>> see if there was a better/more desirable solution. Thanks,
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Piano hinge instalation |
Chris,
I started to respond when your second e-mail came in. I was going to
say.......
Here is what I did. Both of the 1/2 inch beams were glued in place as was
all of the filler strips between the rib cap strips, before the ailerons
are cut free. When locating the 1/2 inch false spars, make sure you have
the proper gap between them. If the gap is not the right size for your
piano hinge size and location, the aileron trailing edge will not line up
with the wing. Once the ailerons were finished with all bracing in place,
I cut the ailerons free. Next sand the face of the 1/2 inch false spars so
that the cut off cap strips are flush with the flat surface.
I have attached some photos. I did not countersink the holes, but used
washer head screws instead. There was no problem with clearance. Watch the
location of the mounting holes on the aileron. There is not much wood on
the back of the aileron false spar due to the shape of the aileron.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
> [Original Message]
> From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/20/2010 12:32:43 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge instalation
>
>
> Can some of you who have installed full length piano hinges for the
ailerons please explain how you did it. Can I glue in both of the 1/2 inch
beams and then drill the holes for the hinge later? Or do I need to drill
the holes before gluing them in. If you glued both in the wing, how did you
hold the hinge in place when you drilled the holes? And how did you know
you were going to hit the hinge in the correct place? As always pictures
of you doing this are always appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294986#294986
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
Chris, I am getting 3 copies of your emails. Why?
-----Original Message-----
>From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net>
>Sent: Apr 20, 2010 2:10 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
>
>
>All right, I admit it I made a newbie mistake. I asked before I searched the
archives. As usual I found a wealth of information in the archives on piano
hinge installation and even found pictures on Jack Textors website. When will
I learn?
>
>To answer my own question, I can glue in the two aileron spars and then cut out
the aileron for hinge installation. Rolled hinges are ok and cheaper, use 100
degree counter sunk holes not the 80 degree or use low profile head screws (my
personal choice). Install nut plates on the back with glue and screws.
>
>Ok, now that that is solved you can all get back to working on your planes.
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris
>
>--------
>Chris
>Sacramento, CA
>WestCoastPiet.com
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=294995#294995
>
>
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| Subject: | Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
I used waterproofed canvas pieces (2) and shock cords to grommets and
parts of the plane. I used small sailing pad eyes on the bottom of the
fuselage. Every thing rolls up into a small bag--Jim Lagowski, making 2
new windshields, one cracked by a "friend".
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: Pietenpol List
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit covering for tying down outside
Here's a question for Piet (or open cockpit in general) fliers:
For those that do not have, or did not always have, custom snap on/in
cockpit covers for your Piet, how do you cover the cockpits when having
to leave the airplane tied down outside overnight or in inclement
weather? For example, we will be meeting our Piet at Brodhead this year,
and we'll probably have it there Thursday through Sunday morning. I
would imagine a tarp and some light rope would be sufficient, but I
thought I would ask and see if there was a better/more desirable
solution. Thanks,
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
Rick
Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I needed. I too
am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide, don't you just
love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time. Do you happen
to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false spars? I measure the rolled
part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
Tim
My first thought is I work for the government and we do everything in triplicate.
Honestly, I have no idea I send email the same as everyone else.
Sorry
Chris
do not archive
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg carb |
MA3-SPA 'only' $900 rebuilt from D&G. But does work great.
rick
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are varying claims out there as to the effectiveness of the Strombe
rg
> mixture, but it generally seems to boil down to the fact that it doesn't
> quite function like "normal" mixture controls that you may be accustomed
to,
> and that it's effects occur more gradually.
>
> You might consider spending the extra money to get a Marvel Schebler
> MA3-SPA, if you plan on frequent manipulation of the mixture. It should h
ave
> a more "positive" mixture control, and you get the added benefit of havin
g
> an idle/cut off. You also save on the cost/time of purchasing and install
ing
> a primer, due to the Marvel having an accelerator pump. With that savings
it
> doesn't end up being that much more expensive than the Stromberg....
>
> Ryan
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your replies. Then I guess the 3a would be better for my
>> altitude, field elev. Is 4470.
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> SLC-UT
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN LYSCARS
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:08 PM
>>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>>
>>
>> These carbs- the 3a and 3b- are functionally identical. The "3a" has a
>> functional mixture control, while the "3b" does not.
>>
>>
>>
>> The mixture control on the 3a has no effect for us Corvair users operati
ng
>> below 8,000 feet MSL. The control does not work as an idle-cutoff as on
e
>> might expect. Rather, it can be used for leaning the burn at cruise, bu
t is
>> only effective at high elevations.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most if not all 3a's had their mixture wired in the "full rich" position
>> when attached to C65's or C85's.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Al Lyscars
>>
>> Manchester, NH
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>>
>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:19 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Group,
>>
>> I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my =9Ccran
k snapin=9D
>> Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or d
oes
>> it not make a difference?
>>
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> SLC-UT
>>
>> =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=DE=AE=E9=A2=A2
=EF=BD=EF=BD
>>
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"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg carb |
We spent $200 for our Stromberg carb core and $450 for the overhaul at D&G,
if I recall. I probably would have went with the Essex Primer from ACS
($165), which would have brought the total to $815. The MA3-SPA turns out t
o
not be such a bad deal....
Ryan
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> MA3-SPA 'only' $900 rebuilt from D&G. But does work great.
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>wrote
:
>
>> There are varying claims out there as to the effectiveness of the
>> Stromberg mixture, but it generally seems to boil down to the fact that
it
>> doesn't quite function like "normal" mixture controls that you may be
>> accustomed to, and that it's effects occur more gradually.
>>
>> You might consider spending the extra money to get a Marvel Schebler
>> MA3-SPA, if you plan on frequent manipulation of the mixture. It should
have
>> a more "positive" mixture control, and you get the added benefit of havi
ng
>> an idle/cut off. You also save on the cost/time of purchasing and instal
ling
>> a primer, due to the Marvel having an accelerator pump. With that saving
s it
>> doesn't end up being that much more expensive than the Stromberg....
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your replies. Then I guess the 3a would be better for my
>>> altitude, field elev. Is 4470.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> SLC-UT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
>>> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *ALAN LYSCARS
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:08 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> These carbs- the 3a and 3b- are functionally identical. The "3a" has a
>>> functional mixture control, while the "3b" does not.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The mixture control on the 3a has no effect for us Corvair users
>>> operating below 8,000 feet MSL. The control does not work as an idle-c
utoff
>>> as one might expect. Rather, it can be used for leaning the burn at cr
uise,
>>> but is only effective at high elevations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Most if not all 3a's had their mixture wired in the "full rich" positio
n
>>> when attached to C65's or C85's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Al Lyscars
>>>
>>> Manchester, NH
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>>>
>>> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 12:19 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Stromberg carb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> I have been watching a few ads for a Stromberg carb for my =9Ccra
nk snapin=9D
>>> Corvair. Which would be the preferred carb the NA-S3A or the NA-S3B or
does
>>> it not make a difference?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> SLC-UT
>>>
>>> =EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD~=EF=BD=EF=BD=EF=BD,=DE=AE=E9=A2=A2
=EF=BD=EF=BD
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http
://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
Chris, the one question you didn't ask and answer yourself was whether or
not to use a single 6' hinge per side, or multiple short pieces. Mike Cuy
used a single long hinge on each aileron. I used Tony Bingelis' suggestion
to use several short pieces so that any flex of the wing in flight doesn't
cause the ailerons to bind. Forget that stuff - use one long hinge. Much
easier to mount and keep it aligned. Also allows for easy removal of the
aileron by just pulling the hinge pin. Each of my pins are peened in place
and they can't be removed, meaning if I have to remove an aileron, I have to
remove all those screws.
If I flexed my wing enough to cause the hinges to bind I'd pass out from the
G loading.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
All right, I admit it I made a newbie mistake. I asked before I searched
the archives. As usual I found a wealth of information in the archives on
piano hinge installation and even found pictures on Jack Textors website.
When will I learn?
To answer my own question, I can glue in the two aileron spars and then cut
out the aileron for hinge installation. Rolled hinges are ok and cheaper,
use 100 degree counter sunk holes not the 80 degree or use low profile head
screws (my personal choice). Install nut plates on the back with glue and
screws.
Ok, now that that is solved you can all get back to working on your planes.
Thanks
Chris
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Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
Chris
The space between my aileron bay false spar and the edge/corner of the
aileron false spar was 3/16 inch. Once the wing false spar was glued in
place I clamped three or four 3/16 inch shims in place and then glued in
the aileron false spar. I have a autocad drwing of what I did if you can
read it.
Your sure right about the drill guide. I use it all the time.
Rick
> [Original Message]
> From: Catdesigns <Catdesigns@att.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/20/2010 2:43:52 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge instalation
>
>
> Rick
>
> Thanks for the pictures and advice. That is exactly the help I needed.
I too am planning on using the washer head screws. And that drill guide,
don't you just love how well it works. I use the same thing all the time.
Do you happen to remember the gap you left between the 1/2 inch false
spars? I measure the rolled part of the hinge to be 1/4 inch on my hinge.
>
> Chris
>
> --------
> Chris
> Sacramento, CA
> WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge instalation |
That's weird. Doesn't happen to me.
That's weird. Doesn't happen to me.
That's weird. Doesn't happen to me.
Tim wrote:
Chris, I am getting 3 copies of your emails. Why?
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
Hey Thanks Mike!
I'm really not as homesick as I look in that picture! In fact I really enjoyed
the whole Brodhead and Oshkosh trip last year. Even during the rain!
The tarp was a quick last minute answer for my first trip to Brodhead a few years
back. I've been wanting to get covers made but just haven't gotten around
to it. The tarp is just an 8' x 10' Walmart Special with a couple of tent stakes
and clothesline. Tied nice and tight it has weathered several storms and
packs pretty tight. I would like to get a nice canvas tarp about the same size.
It would be a little more 'period like'.
Boy, that picture kinda makes me want to fly back up there this year!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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