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1. 01:21 AM - Re: [piet] Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (Clif Dawson)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Terry Burtz Model A (Pieti Lowell)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: [piet] Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside (H RULE)
4. 06:56 AM - considering a concept (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: considering a concept (Jack Phillips)
6. 07:44 AM - Re: considering a concept (Jim Markle)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: was considering a concept-- now vacuum power (Tim Willis)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Terry Burtz Model A (Dan Yocum)
9. 08:23 AM - Re: considering a concept (David Paule)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: Re: Terry Burtz Model A (Jeff Boatright)
11. 11:30 AM - Model A carburetor (santiago morete)
12. 12:44 PM - Re: Model A carburetor (Jeff wilson)
13. 12:52 PM - Re: considering a concept (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
14. 05:03 PM - Re: Model A carburetor (V Groah)
15. 07:52 PM - Okay I'll try it this way and see if it makes it on the board (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
and don't forget the helium to compensate for the added
weight of the supercondomexplicatorvibratorialejaculator.
I understand that vocal communication is better understood
in the higher frequencies. The helium should help with
that too.
Clif
>
> Oh wow, I had forgotten about that. The floatation solution was right in
> front of my nose. It'll be even easier to stuff the wings with 'em, since
> I
> have a fly-by-wire control system and only have to deal with a couple of
> shielded 250-conductor cables and quadruple-redundant hydraulic lines
> going
> out to the actuators, instead of those pesky, antiquated steel aileron
> cables.
>
> Mike Whaley
> MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Terry Burtz Model A |
Jeff,
I have been to all the Piet fly-ins since the conception, and I do not intend to
miss the next , Of course it all depends on ,will I still be kicking the rudder
bar. My track record is being marred by extenuating circumstances. Would
you like to take an introductory course in added Ford power? She doesn't snap
your head back, with two people but she goes well. Not like my Werner 145 and
there are a good number of more powerful engines on Piets. But the Ford is still
doing it's job since 1989, with no problems, except a bent prop and crank extension.
We ( Blue Piet ) and Lowell are looking forward to seeing all the group this coming
summer.
Pieti Lowell
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"Now let's think about this..."[/quote]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295241#295241
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| Subject: | Re: Cockpit covering for tying down outside |
save enough milk jugs for a B52-- LOL=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__
______________________________=0AFrom: Mike Whaley <MerlinFAC@cfl.rr.com>
=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, April 22, 2010 12:37:06 AM
=0ASubject: Re: [piet] Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit covering for tying down
@cfl.rr.com>=0A=0A> If you need more empty milk jugs, let me know, we go th
rough the stuff=0A> like, uh, milk.=0A=0AOh wow, I had forgotten about that
. The floatation solution was right in=0Afront of my nose. It'll be even ea
sier to stuff the wings with 'em, since I=0Ahave a fly-by-wire control syst
em and only have to deal with a couple of=0Ashielded 250-conductor cables a
nd quadruple-redundant hydraulic lines going=0Aout to the actuators, instea
d of those pesky, antiquated steel aileron=0Acables.=0A=0AMike Whaley=0AMer
==
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| Subject: | considering a concept |
Having picked up my parts and such and thinking about my engine assembly I
was also thinking about suction /vacuum sources? Pump, venturi or, here
comes the brainstorm idea....... like in automotive, tap the engine vacuum
from the intake side.
Does anyone have any experience in doing that on a Lycoming engine? I would
be curious about anyone's experience in trying that to operate vac
instruments.
Any ideas on how that may impact engine performance with what will appear
to the engine as a vacuum leak on the intake side.
Obviously I am just exploring an idea here and have not committed to
anything on this but was curious about the concept.
Conceivable one could operate all sorts of vacuum controls for airflow,
heat, vents similar to a car using the same control block and parts to open
and close dampers or other devices. rubber hose is much lighter and flexible
than steel cable dampers.
Okay, what say you group?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | considering a concept |
What vacuum device does a Pietenpol need, other than possibly a Turn and
Bank indicator? I have a T&B on mine, powered by a venturi on the belly.
Works great, and has come in handy a couple of times when weather
deteriorated suddenly (like last Sunday, leaving Sun 'n' Fun).
Automobiles used to use vacuum powered windshield wipers. I remember how
frustrating it was when driving in the rain, behind a slow truck. When
you'd get a chance to pass, and floored the accelerator the windshield
wipers would nearly stop, because there wasn't enough vacuum at wide open
throttle to power them, so you were passing a truck with all the spray it
was throwing, and you had no wiper action.
Since airplanes operate at or close to WOT most of the time, I doubt you'd
have enough vacuum to reliably power much. You need 4" to 6" of vacuum for
most instruments.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: considering a concept
Having picked up my parts and such and thinking about my engine assembly I
was also thinking about suction /vacuum sources? Pump, venturi or, here
comes the brainstorm idea....... like in automotive, tap the engine vacuum
from the intake side.
Does anyone have any experience in doing that on a Lycoming engine? I would
be curious about anyone's experience in trying that to operate vac
instruments.
Any ideas on how that may impact engine performance with what will appear to
the engine as a vacuum leak on the intake side.
Obviously I am just exploring an idea here and have not committed to
anything on this but was curious about the concept.
Conceivable one could operate all sorts of vacuum controls for airflow,
heat, vents similar to a car using the same control block and parts to open
and close dampers or other devices. rubber hose is much lighter and flexible
than steel cable dampers.
Okay, what say you group?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: considering a concept |
Well, what I did with my Model A was.....bolt it on and run it...
Hmmmm, seems a lot simpler than all this.....
:-)
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From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Apr 22, 2010 7:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: considering a concept
Having picked up my parts and such and thinking about my engine assembly I
was also thinking about suction /vacuum sources? Pump, venturi or, here comes
the brainstorm idea....... like in automotive, tap the engine vacuum from the
intake side.
Does anyone have any experience in doing that on a Lycoming engine? I would
be curious about anyone's experience in trying that to operate vac
instruments.
Any ideas on how that may impact engine performance with what will appear
to the engine as a vacuum leak on the intake side.
Obviously I am just exploring an idea here and have not committed to
anything on this but was curious about the concept.
Conceivable one could operate all sorts of vacuum controls for airflow,
heat, vents similar to a car using the same control block and parts to open and
close dampers or other devices. rubber hose is much lighter and flexible than
steel cable dampers.
Okay, what say you group?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: was considering a concept-- now vacuum power |
Venturi work well and have few downsides, I'd stick with them-- why mess with your
engine-- something else to go wrong. The added drag of an external fixture
on a very draggy Piet is minimal.
As to using vacuum to operate things, there is a thought. Hard plastic airline
hose is strong and light, and easy to run. I used to do fluid power, mostly
air, some hydraulic, never vacuum. What pressure differential do we see-- what
psi? If this is practical, I would be thinking of tiny air valves and cylinders--
Festo or Clippard-- if they still exist. OTOH, this might be better on
a more complicated craft-- I have a PGK-1 in mind. [KISS is an even better rule
on a Piet!!!]
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Apr 22, 2010 7:49 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: considering a concept
Having picked up my parts and such and thinking about my engine assembly I was
also thinking about suction /vacuum sources? Pump, venturi or, here comes the
brainstorm idea....... like in automotive, tap the engine vacuum from the intake
side.
Does anyone have any experience in doing that on a Lycoming engine? I would be
curious about anyone's experience in trying that to operate vac instruments.
Any ideas on how that may impact engine performance with what will appear to the
engine as a vacuum leak on the intake side.
Obviously I am just exploring an idea here and have not committed to anything on
this but was curious about the concept.
Conceivable one could operate all sorts of vacuum controls for airflow, heat, vents
similar to a car using the same control block and parts to open and close
dampers or other devices. rubber hose is much lighter and flexible than steel
cable dampers.
<clip>
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| Subject: | Re: Terry Burtz Model A |
Hi Lowell,
On 04/21/2010 09:32 PM, Pieti Lowell wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Pieti Lowell"<Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
>
> Have you heard of the Donovan " D ".with an Al. block 5 mains etc.
> Or have you seen a Ford " B ' with inserts, Hi pressure oil,forged balanced crank,
Funk head 6.25:1 Ratio,aluminum rods, swinging a 76X56 Prop at 2250, direct
drive, and not to mention fuel injected,
> Any one want a ride in a short Pietenpol with over 80 HP ?
> And by the way this Piet has been flying with a 612 Riblitt clipped wing since
2004,
> Give me a call or show up at Palmyra Airport, if you dare .
I almost made it up there several days ago. Made it up to Burlington to
see if Rob was around, chatted with Fred Wright a bit and got a tour of
his *amazing* Stearman and L-5 collection. By the time I decided Rob
wasn't around I decided that it was getting late and needed to head
home. I'll make it up there sometime soon, though.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: considering a concept |
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'd say, KISS.
David Paule
P.S. "Keep It Simple, Stupid," is a well-known engineering rule.
Frequently violated at significant cost and schedule impact, and it has
been learned that there's usually a performance cost as well. Since you
can at best achieve only two of these attributes, Good, Fast and Cheap,
or if you wish to be corporate, Performance, Schedule and Cost, try very
hard not to fail at them all.
-----
Having picked up my parts and such and thinking about my engine
assembly I was also thinking about suction /vacuum sources? Pump,
venturi or, here comes the brainstorm idea....... like in automotive,
tap the engine vacuum from the intake side.
Does anyone have any experience in doing that on a Lycoming engine? I
would be curious about anyone's experience in trying that to operate vac
instruments.
Conceivable one could operate all sorts of vacuum controls for
airflow, heat, vents similar to a car using the same control block and
parts to open and close dampers or other devices. rubber hose is much
lighter and flexible than steel cable dampers.
Okay, what say you group?
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: Terry Burtz Model A |
Lowell,
Great! Yes, I'd love a ride behind the super Ford. If the crick don't
rise and the planets align, I may even fly my Piet up from Atlanta.
Jeff
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| Subject: | Model A carburetor |
Hi all,
-
Has anyone ever used a Tillotson carburetor? I think Larry Williams-had o
ne of those,-is that-correct Larry? How does it compare-to a Zenith m
odel B carb?
I'm looking for a Model B carb but-is difficult to find one-here so I t
hought about the Tillotson as an option.- Thanks
Saludos
-
Santiago=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Model A carburetor |
I had one on a 1968 Harley Sportster. Kick start only. It was good in that
application. It was a magneto system with no battery. Similar to our Piets
in that respect.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
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| Subject: | considering a concept |
The trouble with vacuum is that is sucks.
Mike C.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Model A carburetor |
I run one on my 31 Ford car. Runs good. Will make 75 mph in high overdriv
e with an otherwise tired stock engine. It does have the mixture control a
s do all A carbs.
I do not know how it would compare to the 1932 B carb. I know the manifold
s are larger on the B. Some of the A guys machine out the inside of the A
manifold to make better flow. Vic Groah NX414MV
From: moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A carburetor
Hi all=2C
Has anyone ever used a Tillotson carburetor? I think Larry Williams had one
of those=2C is that correct Larry? How does it compare to a Zenith model B
carb?
I'm looking for a Model B carb but is difficult to find one here so I thoug
ht about the Tillotson as an option. Thanks
Saludos
Santiago
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| Subject: | Okay I'll try it this way and see if it makes it on the |
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_John Recine_ (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1048252084) April 22
at 10:23pm
I have been looking at piet pics from all the builders for years and have
not shared any with you. I realized that today and thought I should try to
make up for that so I put together a short chronicle of my build since
February of 2007 when I first began the build process. Naturally that did not
begin immediately since I too ordered the prints, sat on them of a few
months contemplating just how to begin. I had the good fortune to let a friend
both convince and help me get started. He convinced me that I had the skills
and just lacked the confidence to begin. From the time I got the prints I
traveled and visited other builders and got some really good advice, the
same tha I pass on to others making sure I give credit to the person I first
herad it from.
I posted my album on facebook and immediately received some
ratherflattering comments, which I never expected. I though that for what ever
reason
those of you not on facebook may also be interested to see some of my progress
pics.
Actually since I have not made any of the pub;ic in the past and have only
talked about building I figured it was time to lend some crdability to my
claims and share some with those of you who have been more than willing to
share their pictures.
I hope you find them suitable and worthy of your time and enjoy looking at
them as much as I have in building them. You should note that the pictures
of the laminates were take by their skilled craftsman Dennis
Vanderweide,who I am proud and privlidged to call my friend, mentor and convincer
of the
notion that I too can build a Pietenpol. Without whom I would still be
lurking, wondering, wanting and dreaming of building my own Pietenpol while
looking at the prints and never doing anything about it.
Thanks
John
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_My Piet Progress NX895JR_
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ETHEL...ETHEL....Hell you say that dern fool is building an airOplane in
his basement, donch know? Wonder how hes a gonna get it out of there, dern
fool! Calls it a Pieten what? Pietenpol AirCamper, thought you said it was
an airOplane?
By:_John Recine_
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