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1. 06:49 AM - How much better can it get???? (Jim Markle)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: things about the straight axel (Jim Markle)
3. 07:35 AM - Re: corvair disassembly, spark plug holes (tkreiner)
4. 09:07 AM - Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (Frank Metcalfe)
5. 09:25 AM - model B carb for ford (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 10:26 AM - Re: How much better can it get???? (K5YAC)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: How much better can it get???? (Jack)
8. 10:42 AM - Re: Mike Cuy = Dwight Schrute from The Office (Jack)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (airlion)
10. 12:34 PM - Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (Gary Boothe)
11. 02:48 PM - Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (Ryan Mueller)
12. 02:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (Ryan Mueller)
13. 03:14 PM - Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (Gary Boothe)
14. 03:49 PM - Model A carburetor (santiago morete)
15. 04:39 PM - (no subject) (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
16. 06:35 PM - Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun (dwilson)
17. 08:50 PM - Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Steve Ruse)
18. 08:52 PM - Re: How much better can it get???? (Steve Ruse)
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Subject: | How much better can it get???? |
Yesterday we drive into town for the first time in forever. As much as I travel,
I rarely drive to town (Tulsa). Julia and I and two of my sons (my oldest
and youngest) are meeting my uncle at his son's hangar to clean some stuff out
of it before they sell his plane. I can tell you seeing a nice plane (this is
an older Mooney) sitting without it's pilot/owner is a very sad thing indeed.
(My cousin died recently while he and his friend were practicing touch/go's).
So this ain't gonna be a happy way to spend an afternoon.
We got there before my uncle arrives and are watching planes land in a beautiful,
windy partly cloudy sky. A couple T-6's and some other round engine planes
landed from the Tulsa Air Show (which I sadly did not get to go to, although
I had tickets in my pocket!).
Then in the distance we see this yellow "Cub" on left base. He turns to final
and I see a "different" looking tail shape and...hey wait...that's no Cub! Looks
like an Air Camper tail shape! And I realize this little yellow plane has
some writing on the side. Just like Steve Ruse' Air Camper! NO WAY! So I go
running over to some guys watching the landing and ask if they have a radio.
They say yes, so I ask if I can borrow it to call "that plane that just landed".
I find out they just came from a little town about 45 miles from Tulsa where
THEY had watched (a couple hours earlier) THAT yellow plane following a steam
engine train along it's path (they mention that the plane couldn't quite
keep up with the train). They are train and airplane enthusiasts and drove down
to see the special event train. They asked if "my friend" didn't know where
to meet me and I said he didn't EVEN know I was there! They just looked at
me like I was nuts (I've seen the look before.... :-
)
Anyway, I run out to the taxiway and wave down the plane (running onto an active
runway/taxi way is a WEIRD feeling!)...ran up to the pilot and he looks out
and says "JIM???". HA! A VERY surreal moment!
(Sorry for dragging this out.....)
The wonderful part: What started off being a not so fun afternoon turns into Julia
seeing her first actual flying Air Camper, me getting to FINALLY meet Steve
face to face (after about 6 years of TRYING to get together)...well, the whole
thing was just incredible....we shook hands, hugged, laughed...Steve landing
at THAT airport at THAT moment lifted our spirits during a not so happy time.
This note probably doesn't capture the magic of what happened yesterday but I can
tell you that something special DID happen. I doubt that Steve realizes how
important that landing was. I didn't until this morning when we were talking
about it.
Back during the "Save Markle's Piet" event I said more than once (from my heart)
that I'm one of the luckiest people around. And I am that....
And I'm saying it again.
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Subject: | Re: things about the straight axel |
Even those big wire wheels with a split axle...like the Brits (and others) do it...
Sweeet
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 24, 2010 10:40 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: things about the straight axel
>
>
>Those big wheels make all the Piets so set up enormously attractive, and call
attention to its other classic lines. It just screams, "I am a 1929 Pietenpol!!!"
A 3-fold Stearman-style windshield continues that image, as well. A tailskid
is the final touch.
>Tim in central TX
>do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
>>Sent: Apr 24, 2010 9:24 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: things about the straight axel
>>
>>
>>One more consideration with the straight axle gear is "ramp appeal". It will
>>set the airplane apart from EVERYTHING else on the field.
>>
>>Greg Cardinal
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]"
>><michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:16 PM
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: things about the straight axel
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>>> Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>>>
>>> I don't know about Jack Phillips but I have no trouble making consistently
>>> smooth landings
>>> with my straight axel gear now that I got my vision corrected from 20/
>>> 800. ;)
>>>
>>> There are several factors that make a straight axel gear a truly excellent
>>> landing gear.
>>> There is no toe-in, out, or camber--the gear tracks true and straight.
>>>
>>> You can make the ride stiffer by rewrapping your bungees tighter or you
>>> can rewrap them for
>>> a more cushy ride.
>>>
>>> Tire inflation pressure can make a big difference in ride quality but a
>>> more firm wheel gives
>>> less roll resistance on takeoff.
>>>
>>> Also with the straight axel you can have a wingwalker do chin ups on the
>>> axel when flying
>>> air show work.
>>>
>>> Mike C.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: corvair disassembly, spark plug holes |
Properly installed is the key phrase here...
When solid inserts fail (regardless of their material), as they sometimes do, they
tend to weld or bond themselves to the threads on the spark plug. Upon plug
removal, the failure mode results in torn threads in the head, along with
many issues - and expenses - for the mechanic or owner repairing the subsequent
damage. Consider the issues involved: teardown, welding, machine work to rethread,
and reassembly.
OUCH! Not a good thing.
In my experience with aircooled engines, I've encountered just this, and it was
both costly and time consuming.
In the case of a traditional cylinder-head setup found on an aircraft engine, only
one jug needs to be removed to correct this type of problem. In contrast
the corvair has a three spigot "log" head, requiring the full bank - or at least
the head on that bank - to be removed and repaired.
FWIW, I've repaired using both inserts & helical wire inserts, and there's no way
I'd ever do another critical repair using an solid insert. (Note the mention
of helical wire... theres an alternate to the Helicoil branded inserts, made
by Kato, and their insert and insert methods are superior to Helicoil brand.)
If you don't know how to properly insert a helical type insert or have the tools
needed to insert one, take it to a competent mechanic who will do it for you.
Just my 0.02.
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Tom Kreiner
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Subject: | Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
Congratulations to Harold Johnson for bringing home the Homebuilt Best Auto
Engine award at =0A2010 Sun-N- Fun. -----------
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Subject: | model B carb for ford |
Santiago,
I have a model B carb modified for the Piet by Ken Perkins which I am not going
to use. It is still in the bag, and is for sale.
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: How much better can it get???? |
That is awesome Jim! Sorry that you didn't make the air show, but glad that you
got to meet Steve and see his Piet around... and what a crazy series of coincidence
with the different groups of people. Neat-o!
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Mark - working on wings
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Subject: | How much better can it get???? |
Jim,
Nice story, truly sorry for you loss...
Jack
DSM
Do not archive
Yesterday we drive into town for the first time in forever. As much as I
travel, I rarely drive to town (Tulsa). Julia and I and two of my sons (my
oldest and youngest) are meeting my uncle at his son's hangar to clean some
stuff out of it before they sell his plane. I can tell you seeing a nice
plane (this is an older Mooney) sitting without it's pilot/owner is a very
sad thing indeed. (My cousin died recently while he and his friend were
practicing touch/go's). So this ain't gonna be a happy way to spend an
afternoon.
We got there before my uncle arrives and are watching planes land in a
beautiful, windy partly cloudy sky. A couple T-6's and some other round
engine planes landed from the Tulsa Air Show (which I sadly did not get to
go to, although I had tickets in my pocket!).
Then in the distance we see this yellow "Cub" on left base. He turns to
final and I see a "different" looking tail shape and...hey wait...that's no
Cub! Looks like an Air Camper tail shape! And I realize this little yellow
plane has some writing on the side. Just like Steve Ruse' Air Camper! NO
WAY! So I go running over to some guys watching the landing and ask if they
have a radio. They say yes, so I ask if I can borrow it to call "that plane
that just landed". I find out they just came from a little town about 45
miles from Tulsa where THEY had watched (a couple hours earlier) THAT yellow
plane following a steam engine train along it's path (they mention that the
plane couldn't quite keep up with the train). They are train and airplane
enthusiasts and drove down to see the special event train. They asked if
"my friend" didn't know where to meet me and I said he didn't EVEN know I
was there! They just looked at me like I was nuts (I've seen the look
before.... :-
)
Anyway, I run out to the taxiway and wave down the plane (running onto an
active runway/taxi way is a WEIRD feeling!)...ran up to the pilot and he
looks out and says "JIM???". HA! A VERY surreal moment!
(Sorry for dragging this out.....)
The wonderful part: What started off being a not so fun afternoon turns
into Julia seeing her first actual flying Air Camper, me getting to FINALLY
meet Steve face to face (after about 6 years of TRYING to get
together)...well, the whole thing was just incredible....we shook hands,
hugged, laughed...Steve landing at THAT airport at THAT moment lifted our
spirits during a not so happy time.
This note probably doesn't capture the magic of what happened yesterday but
I can tell you that something special DID happen. I doubt that Steve
realizes how important that landing was. I didn't until this morning when
we were talking about it.
Back during the "Save Markle's Piet" event I said more than once (from my
heart) that I'm one of the luckiest people around. And I am that....
And I'm saying it again.
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Subject: | Mike Cuy = Dwight Schrute from The Office |
Time being? You selling Mike? Finally had a chance to view the video, it
was great!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mike Cuy = Dwight Schrute from The Office
Thanks for all the kind word's on Adam White's "The Restorers" segment on my
Pietenpol.
The airplane is the star of the segment, I'm just the owner/operator for the
time being.
I was grateful they asked me to do that segment since about the only thing I
restored
in the airplane was the engine and my sanity.
Mike C.
do not archive
Adam White also produced Redtail Reborn and Flight of the Redtail, the
Tusgkegee Airman's P-51
that was in an accident several years ago.
http://www.facebook.com/hemlockfilms
http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/dwightschrut
eworkplace.jpg
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
Way to go Harold. Ya'll sure do good work. I will park mine on the lower 40 anytime
we have a get together. Gardiner
________________________________
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 12:05:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
Congratulations to Harold Johnson for bringing home the Homebuilt Best Auto Engine
award at
2010 Sun-N- Fun.
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Subject: | Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
Somebody got a picture of Harold's Piet?...couldn't find any on the
Sun-N-Fun website.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
Way to go Harold. Ya'll sure do good work. I will park mine on the lower 40
anytime we have a get together. Gardiner
_____
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 12:05:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
Congratulations to Harold Johnson for bringing home the Homebuilt Best Auto
Engine award at
2010 Sun-N- Fun.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
>From the "Air-Britain Photographic Images Collection" :P
Ryan
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Somebody got a picture of Harold=92s Piet?...couldn=92t find any on the
> Sun-N-Fun website=85
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> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (18 ribs down=85)
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *airlion
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:46 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
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> Way to go Harold. Ya'll sure do good work. I will park mine on the lower
40
> anytime we have a get together. Gardiner
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> *From:* Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sun, April 25, 2010 12:05:26 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
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> Congratulations to Harold Johnson for bringing home the Homebuilt Best Au
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
And one of the other Big Piets that was in attendance...
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Somebody got a picture of Harold=92s Piet?...couldn=92t find any on the
> Sun-N-Fun website=85
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> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (18 ribs down=85)
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> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *airlion
> *Sent:* Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:46 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
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> Way to go Harold. Ya'll sure do good work. I will park mine on the lower
40
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> *From:* Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sun, April 25, 2010 12:05:26 PM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
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Subject: | Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
Thanks, Ryan!...Beautiful job, Harold.congratulations!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
>From the "Air-Britain Photographic Images Collection" :P
Ryan
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Somebody got a picture of Harold's Piet?...couldn't find any on the
Sun-N-Fun website.
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
Way to go Harold. Ya'll sure do good work. I will park mine on the lower 40
anytime we have a get together. Gardiner
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From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sun, April 25, 2010 12:05:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun
Congratulations to Harold Johnson for bringing home the Homebuilt Best Auto
Engine award at
2010 Sun-N- Fun.
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Subject: | Model A carburetor |
Thank you all for the answers
Saludos
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Santiago=0A=0A=0A
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I didn't take a full picture of either Piet. I was busy looking at things
that could improve mine. They were equally excellent planes. I would hate to
have to judge the best.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol award winner at Sun-N-Fun |
WOW ! I believe the Big Piets are all steel tube and the wing span is longer than
original. Does anyone know the empty weight of a BIG PIET? Just wondering
how well the corvair performs. Any one have specifics about the performance?
Dan Wilson
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Subject: | Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures |
As Jim said earlier, I spent Saturday chasing the steam locomotive 844
as it passed through NE Oklahoma. That was REALLY fun. Spent about 8
hours flying my Air Camper in one day...just to see this train. Once I
found it I tailed it for about 1.5 hours...circling and criss-crossing
overhead, taking pictures and video and waving at the engineer and other
people on the train. What a hoot.
A few pictures are at the link below...I'll try to post some video
later.
http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/UP844/
Steve Ruse
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Subject: | Re: How much better can it get???? |
It sure was good to finally meet you in person Jim! I just wish I could've
seen your airplane...we'll have to do that soon. What a funny surprise. I
couldn't understand why these four guys were waving their arms wildly at my
while I taxied in...thought maybe my tail was on fire, or maybe I had
knocked the tail off with my landing. I decided to go to KRVS about half an
hour before I got there...and about 15 minutes before that I had been
googling you, trying to find your address so I could buzz your house, but
decided I didn't have time as I had a 3+hr flight home with a 30mph
headwind. How odd that I ran into you as a result of my decision not to go
see you.
Very sorry to hear about your cousin also...sounds like an odd accident, I
hope you and the rest of his family are doing OK.
Sure was good to see you Jim...I'd love to come see your plane soon, maybe
this spring. We should get together more than once every six years.
As a downside, my pocketwatch and thermometer somehow went missing sometime
on Saturday...if anybody runs across those, please let me know.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: How much better can it get????
> Yesterday we drive into town for the first time in forever. As much as I
> travel, I rarely drive to town (Tulsa). Julia and I and two of my sons
> (my oldest and youngest) are meeting my uncle at his son's hangar to clean
> some stuff out of it before they sell his plane. I can tell you seeing a
> nice plane (this is an older Mooney) sitting without it's pilot/owner is a
> very sad thing indeed. (My cousin died recently while he and his friend
> were practicing touch/go's). So this ain't gonna be a happy way to spend
> an afternoon.
>
> We got there before my uncle arrives and are watching planes land in a
> beautiful, windy partly cloudy sky. A couple T-6's and some other round
> engine planes landed from the Tulsa Air Show (which I sadly did not get to
> go to, although I had tickets in my pocket!).
>
> Then in the distance we see this yellow "Cub" on left base. He turns to
> final and I see a "different" looking tail shape and...hey wait...that's
> no Cub! Looks like an Air Camper tail shape! And I realize this little
> yellow plane has some writing on the side. Just like Steve Ruse' Air
> Camper! NO WAY! So I go running over to some guys watching the landing
> and ask if they have a radio. They say yes, so I ask if I can borrow it
> to call "that plane that just landed". I find out they just came from a
> little town about 45 miles from Tulsa where THEY had watched (a couple
> hours earlier) THAT yellow plane following a steam engine train along it's
> path (they mention that the plane couldn't quite keep up with the train).
> They are train and airplane enthusiasts and drove down to see the special
> event train. They asked if "my friend" didn't know where to meet me and I
> said he didn't EVEN know I was there! They just looked at me like I was
> nuts (I've seen the look before.... :-
> )
>
> Anyway, I run out to the taxiway and wave down the plane (running onto an
> active runway/taxi way is a WEIRD feeling!)...ran up to the pilot and he
> looks out and says "JIM???". HA! A VERY surreal moment!
>
> (Sorry for dragging this out.....)
>
> The wonderful part: What started off being a not so fun afternoon turns
> into Julia seeing her first actual flying Air Camper, me getting to
> FINALLY meet Steve face to face (after about 6 years of TRYING to get
> together)...well, the whole thing was just incredible....we shook hands,
> hugged, laughed...Steve landing at THAT airport at THAT moment lifted our
> spirits during a not so happy time.
>
> This note probably doesn't capture the magic of what happened yesterday
> but I can tell you that something special DID happen. I doubt that Steve
> realizes how important that landing was. I didn't until this morning when
> we were talking about it.
>
> Back during the "Save Markle's Piet" event I said more than once (from my
> heart) that I'm one of the luckiest people around. And I am that....
>
> And I'm saying it again.
>
>
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