---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/26/10: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:39 AM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Clif Dawson) 2. 04:08 AM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:50 AM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Tim Willis) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Jim Ash) 5. 06:43 AM - Re: How much better can it get???? (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Michael Perez) 7. 07:11 AM - Re: things about the straight axel (womenfly2) 8. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: things about the straight axel (Rick Holland) 9. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: things about the straight axe now fuselage (Skip Gadd) 10. 02:04 PM - anybody near Rochester MN (Douwe Blumberg) 11. 02:12 PM - Re: anybody near Rochester MN (Perry Rhoads) 12. 02:50 PM - Re: anybody near Rochester MN (Dale Johnson) 13. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: things about the straight axel (Gary Boothe) 14. 04:32 PM - steam trains (shad bell) 15. 07:08 PM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Clif Dawson) 16. 07:21 PM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Clif Dawson) 17. 07:23 PM - Re: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures (Jack Phillips) 18. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: things about the straight axel exelent; (jorge lizarraga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:22 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures Thanks Steve. My Grandad was an engineer on the CPR Silk Trains. The silk worm pupae were collected in China, delivered by ship to Victoria, loaded in boxcars, ferried to the mainland then rushed 2500 miles across to Toronto. They had to get them there before they opened up. These trains had priority over everything else. Most of the engines were similiar to yours, 4-6-4's but one was 6-8-8-6. If you can imagine an engine twice as long! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ruse To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures As Jim said earlier, I spent Saturday chasing the steam locomotive 844 as it passed through NE Oklahoma. That was REALLY fun. Spent about 8 hours flying my Air Camper in one day...just to see this train. Once I found it I tailed it for about 1.5 hours...circling and criss-crossing overhead, taking pictures and video and waving at the engineer and other people on the train. What a hoot. A few pictures are at the link below...I'll try to post some video later. http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/UP844/ Steve Ruse ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/24/10 23:31:00 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:20 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures Wow! How cool is that! A 4-8-4 "Northern" Locomotive. I've never seen one of those run (seen them in museums). We've got a small railroad museum (http://www.nhvry.org/equipment.htm) near my house that runs a small steam switch engine (0-4-0T) and I enjoy flying over it when they run it, but they have nothing of this size. Thanks for the pictures. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Ruse Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures As Jim said earlier, I spent Saturday chasing the steam locomotive 844 as it passed through NE Oklahoma. That was REALLY fun. Spent about 8 hours flying my Air Camper in one day...just to see this train. Once I found it I tailed it for about 1.5 hours...circling and criss-crossing overhead, taking pictures and video and waving at the engineer and other people on the train. What a hoot. A few pictures are at the link below...I'll try to post some video later. http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/UP844/ Steve Ruse ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:57 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures A wooden airplane and a steam trains-- each from its "golden age" era. I am drinking coffee this AM from my "Union Pacific 844" cup. The number is barely visible from hundreds of dishwashing cycles. I alternate that cup with some of my other favorites, including two others featuring the most usual target of Piet strafing runs-- "John Deeres." We saw the UP 844 at Union Station in St. Louis on its first public appearance after it was totally refurbished, and had contributed to that process. That must have been over 20 years ago. What a beauty. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ruse Sent: Apr 25, 2010 10:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures As Jim said earlier, I spent Saturday chasing the steam locomotive 844 as it passed through NE Oklahoma. That was REALLY fun. Spent about 8 hours flying my Air Camper in one day...just to see this train. Once I found it I tailed it for about 1.5 hours...circling and criss-crossing overhead, taking pictures and video and waving at the engineer and other people on the train. What a hoot. A few pictures are at the link below...I'll try to post some video later. http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/UP844/ Steve Ruse ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:27 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures My wife and I rode an excursion behind northern 261 from Chicago out across the corn of northern Illinois to Galesburg and back in '00 (?). I wanted to chase it with the Cub, but I couldn't put it all together in time. Besides, I figured if I did a strafing run on it, I'd find the only one of the hundreds of rail fans that was having a constipated day and get a photo of my N numbers. Don't know the legality of flying next to a train, but I'm guessing it ain't. It still remains one of my fantasies. Glad you got to live it. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Willis >Sent: Apr 26, 2010 7:50 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures > > > A wooden airplane and a steam trains-- each from its "golden age" era. > > I am drinking coffee this AM from my "Union Pacific 844" cup. The number is barely visible from hundreds of dishwashing cycles. I alternate that cup with some of my other favorites, including two others featuring the most usual target of Piet strafing runs-- "John Deeres." > We saw the UP 844 at Union Station in St. Louis on its first public appearance after it was totally refurbished, and had contributed to that process. That must have been over 20 years ago. What a beauty. >Tim in central TX >do not archive > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Ruse >Sent: Apr 25, 2010 10:47 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures > >As Jim said earlier, I spent Saturday chasing the steam locomotive 844 as it passed through NE Oklahoma. That was REALLY fun. Spent about 8 hours flying my Air Camper in one day...just to see this train. Once I found it I tailed it for about 1.5 hours...circling and criss-crossing overhead, taking pictures and video and waving at the engineer and other people on the train. What a hoot. > >A few pictures are at the link below...I'll try to post some video later. >http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/UP844/ > >Steve Ruse > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:11 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How much better can it get???? No comment! John Do not archive In a message dated 4/25/2010 11:53:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve@wotelectronics.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Steve Ruse" It sure was good to finally meet you in person Jim! I just wish I could've seen your airplane...we'll have to do that soon. What a funny surprise. I couldn't understand why these four guys were waving their arms wildly at my while I taxied in...thought maybe my tail was on fire, or maybe I had knocked the tail off with my landing. I decided to go to KRVS about half an hour before I got there...and about 15 minutes before that I had been googling you, trying to find your address so I could buzz your house, but decided I didn't have time as I had a 3+hr flight home with a 30mph headwind. How odd that I ran into you as a result of my decision not to go see you. Very sorry to hear about your cousin also...sounds like an odd accident, I hope you and the rest of his family are doing OK. Sure was good to see you Jim...I'd love to come see your plane soon, maybe this spring. We should get together more than once every six years. As a downside, my pocketwatch and thermometer somehow went missing sometime on Saturday...if anybody runs across those, please let me know. Steve Ruse Norman, OK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: How much better can it get???? > Yesterday we drive into town for the first time in forever. As much as I > travel, I rarely drive to town (Tulsa). Julia and I and two of my sons > (my oldest and youngest) are meeting my uncle at his son's hangar to clean > some stuff out of it before they sell his plane. I can tell you seeing a > nice plane (this is an older Mooney) sitting without it's pilot/owner is a > very sad thing indeed. (My cousin died recently while he and his friend > were practicing touch/go's). So this ain't gonna be a happy way to spend > an afternoon. > > We got there before my uncle arrives and are watching planes land in a > beautiful, windy partly cloudy sky. A couple T-6's and some other round > engine planes landed from the Tulsa Air Show (which I sadly did not get to > go to, although I had tickets in my pocket!). > > Then in the distance we see this yellow "Cub" on left base. He turns to > final and I see a "different" looking tail shape and...hey wait...that's > no Cub! Looks like an Air Camper tail shape! And I realize this little > yellow plane has some writing on the side. Just like Steve Ruse' Air > Camper! NO WAY! So I go running over to some guys watching the landing > and ask if they have a radio. They say yes, so I ask if I can borrow it > to call "that plane that just landed". I find out they just came from a > little town about 45 miles from Tulsa where THEY had watched (a couple > hours earlier) THAT yellow plane following a steam engine train along it's > path (they mention that the plane couldn't quite keep up with the train). > They are train and airplane enthusiasts and drove down to see the special > event train. They asked if "my friend" didn't know where to meet me and I > said he didn't EVEN know I was there! They just looked at me like I was > nuts (I've seen the look before.... :- > ) > > Anyway, I run out to the taxiway and wave down the plane (running onto an > active runway/taxi way is a WEIRD feeling!)...ran up to the pilot and he > looks out and says "JIM???". HA! A VERY surreal moment! > > (Sorry for dragging this out.....) > > The wonderful part: What started off being a not so fun afternoon turns > into Julia seeing her first actual flying Air Camper, me getting to > FINALLY meet Steve face to face (after about 6 years of TRYING to get > together)...well, the whole thing was just incredible....we shook hands, > hugged, laughed...Steve landing at THAT airport at THAT moment lifted our > spirits during a not so happy time. > > This note probably doesn't capture the magic of what happened yesterday > but I can tell you that something special DID happen. I doubt that Steve > realizes how important that landing was. I didn't until this morning when > we were talking about it. > > Back during the "Save Markle's Piet" event I said more than once (from my > heart) that I'm one of the luckiest people around. And I am that.... > > And I'm saying it again. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:39 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures Big a-- , old school steam locomotives are awesome! I'll be building/modify ing one of those next. (just kidding.)- Nice aerial shots Steve. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axel From: "womenfly2" I made my gear from the Glider and Flying Manual with Big wheels, true to drawings. I will say that the gear will swing front and back between the wood struts as each wheel encounters bumps (resistance) on a grass strip turning her from side to side. So tap dancing on the rudder was a workout. I only felt this during takeoff and not so much during landing. Big wheel do act a forward fins in the air Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295744#295744 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nov18_08_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axel From: Rick Holland Wow, that is one beautiful Piet, great color scheme. rick On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, womenfly2 wrote: > keriannprice@hotmail.com> > > I made my gear from the Glider and Flying Manual with Big wheels, true to > drawings. > > I will say that the gear will swing front and back between the wood struts > as each wheel encounters bumps (resistance) on a grass strip turning her > from side to side. So tap dancing on the rudder was a workout. I only felt > this during takeoff and not so much during landing. Big wheel do act a > forward fins in the air > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295744#295744 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/nov18_08_154.jpg > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:08 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axe now fuselage Keriann, Very antique looking Piet. Did you also use the Flying and glider Manual fuselage? Skip > [Original Message] > From: womenfly2 > I made my gear from the Glider and Flying Manual with Big wheels, true to drawings. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:58 PM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: anybody near Rochester MN I'm taking Marci up to the Mayo Clinic next week and wondered if anybody is close in to Rochester MN. I'd love to see a nice piet or project while we're there. Douwe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:41 PM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: anybody near Rochester MN Vi Kapler lives there. He has a brand new Ford powered Piet. He's not a computer guy, but his number is 507-288-3322. Perry Rhoads N12939 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douwe Blumberg" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: anybody near Rochester MN > > > I'm taking Marci up to the Mayo Clinic next week and wondered if anybody > is > close in to Rochester MN. I'd love to see a nice piet or project while > we're there. > > Douwe > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:41 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: anybody near Rochester MN Douwe We have one at Stanton Mn .About 45 minutes NW of Rochester. Let me know when you are going to be in Rochester Dale > [Original Message] > From: Douwe Blumberg > To: pietenpolgroup > Date: 4/26/2010 4:07:07 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: anybody near Rochester MN > > > I'm taking Marci up to the Mayo Clinic next week and wondered if anybody is > close in to Rochester MN. I'd love to see a nice piet or project while > we're there. > > Douwe > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:14 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axel Kerri Ann, No doubt, you are aware that most builders now engineer some sort of slide bar to keep the axle from swinging back and forth. Would you say that is optional? Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of womenfly2 Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axel I made my gear from the Glider and Flying Manual with Big wheels, true to drawings. I will say that the gear will swing front and back between the wood struts as each wheel encounters bumps (resistance) on a grass strip turning her from side to side. So tap dancing on the rudder was a workout. I only felt this during takeoff and not so much during landing. Big wheel do act a forward fins in the air Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295744#295744 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nov18_08_154.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:45 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: steam trains I remember when I was about 4 yrs old I rode the Chessie System 614 (another 4-8-4 loc) from Columbus to marion Ohio. Dad works for the railroad (Now CSX) and got a photo of me and my sister standing in the yard right next to the drivers. You do get cinders in your eyes when you stick your head out the window behind thos big ol steam engines, just like Boxcar Willie told me on dad's 8 track) Sorry, it's not piet related but it jogged one of my boyhood memories. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:23 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures Here in Canada for G airspace the rule is "500 ft from any person, place or thing. Yours is most likely similiar. On the other hand we may be dealing with formation rules. :-) Clif Don't know the legality of flying next to a train, but I'm guessing it ain't. > > It still remains one of my fantasies. > > Glad you got to live it. > > Jim ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:46 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures Ooooh! A wooden 4-8-4! When do we start? :-) Clif Big a-- , old school steam locomotives are awesome! I'll be building/modifying one of those next. (just kidding.) Nice aerial shots Steve. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/26/10 11:27:00 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:27 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures There are no specific laws against flying next to a train, as long as it is not over a "congested area". The only requirement is that you be high enough that in the event of engine failure, you can put the airplane down without endangering anyone on the ground. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Chasing trains...Union Pacific 844 steam locomotive pictures Here in Canada for G airspace the rule is "500 ft from any person, place or thing. Yours is most likely similiar. On the other hand we may be dealing with formation rules. :-) Clif Don't know the legality of flying next to a train, but I'm guessing it ain't. > > It still remains one of my fantasies. > > Glad you got to live it. > > Jim ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:48 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axel exelent; that is a great idea mike cuy due same about you i hope ypu proyect is near to finished I like to see one day some pictured and , is nise have leadyes in pietenpol wee ned more is another point of view. i have some problems w hir my landin gear metal parts and realy stare think change from 1929 disai ng seyou nex jorge from hanford. --- On Mon, 4/26/10, womenfly2 wrote: From: womenfly2 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: things about the straight axel > I made my gear from the Glider and Flying Manual with Big wheels, true to d rawings. I will say that the gear will swing front and back between the wood struts as each wheel encounters bumps (resistance) on a grass strip turning her fr om side to side. So tap dancing on the rudder was a workout. I only felt th is during takeoff and not so much during landing. Big wheel do act a forwar d fins in the air Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295744#295744 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nov18_08_154.jpg le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.