---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/28/10: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:34 AM - Re: cable crimper (Jim Ash) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: Low level flying (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:07 AM - Re: Low level flying (Dan Yocum) 4. 05:35 AM - Re: Low level flying (Jim Ash) 5. 05:43 AM - Re: Low level flying (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 6. 05:45 AM - Re: Low level flying (Scott Knowlton) 7. 05:49 AM - questions for Kevin Purtee (Oscar Zuniga) 8. 05:54 AM - checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 9. 06:15 AM - Re: Added new pictures to the web site (Michael F. Townsley) 10. 07:39 AM - Re: Low level flying (shad bell) 11. 08:05 AM - Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Jeff Boatright) 12. 08:44 AM - Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Tim Willis) 13. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: Re: Added new pictures to the web site (Jim) 14. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: Re: Added new pictures to the web site (Jim) 15. 09:50 AM - Re: Low level flying (Ben Charvet) 16. 09:53 AM - First Passenger Ride today! (Ben Charvet) 17. 10:09 AM - More ribs????? (Jim Markle) 18. 10:53 AM - Re: Low level flying (Jack Phillips) 19. 10:53 AM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 20. 11:00 AM - Re: More ribs????? (K5YAC) 21. 11:06 AM - Re: cable crimper (K5YAC) 22. 11:07 AM - Re: Low level flying (Dan Yocum) 23. 11:11 AM - California Pietenpol Gathering (Michael Groah) 24. 11:14 AM - Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (kevinpurtee) 25. 11:34 AM - Re: Added new pictures to the web site (kevinpurtee) 26. 02:44 PM - Re: Added new pictures to the web site (Dan Yocum) 27. 04:23 PM - Re: Low level flying (Jeff Boatright) 28. 05:24 PM - Re: Low level flying (Rick Holland) 29. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Added new pictures to the web site (Jim) 30. 08:11 PM - Re: Low level flying (Dan Yocum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:34 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cable crimper Funny you should mention this now. I've got a need for several cables (on a sailboat) and I was shocked at the cost of pre-made cables. I bought one of the tools last year from either Lowe's or Home Deopt (don't remember which). Home Depot has them (my local one did last weekend when I looked out of curiousity): http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xh3/R-100243794/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053 The odd thing is, the folks at the store don't know they have them. There's so little call for these things their stock is under a pile of dust. This is one time where you're better off with the clueless lady behind the customer service counter, because she doesn't presume she knows their own inventory and is more willing to do a computer search. Have them look for 'swaging' and it pops right up. Or I found them on the bottom shelf right under the bulk cables and chains. The first cable end I did last year (for my boat trailer winch cable) was pretty butchered-up, but useable. One of the items on my list of stuff to do at Sun n Fun this year was to spend a few minutes (about 10, it turned out) with the guy in the workshops who demonstrates cable swaging and find out what I was doing wrong. My thanks to him. (Note here: He suggested clamping the jaw of the tool in a vise. My intentions (haven't done it yet) are to put the jaw in the vise, but with the end of the lower handle resting on the bench for leverage. He also had some handouts which were mostly reprints from AC43-13 on cable swaging; I guess I never paid attention to that section before. Useful stuff. Also note, the aluminum ferrules from the hardware stores are pretty awful, and they probably cost more than the good copper ones if you know where to get them. Airparts (the ad with the old lady standing in a coil of aluminum) and Freeman both had them at SNF, and I bought a pile of ferrules and thimbles (Why is it my luggage always seems to contain a love letter from the TSA in it when I get home?) from their bulk bins. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Clif Dawson >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:22 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: cable crimper > >I bought one of those. Mine is adjustable with two allen >screws on the hinge assembly. >This is how I use it. > >Clif > > >harbor freight or some such store. I'm not crazy about buying another cheap >Chinese made tool but if it will get me through this project I guess I need >to.can anyone tell me if they have used one with good results? there is a >store in Amarillo about 55 miles from here. Raymond ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying From: helspersew@aol.com =C2=A7 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:14 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." So, yes. :-) dan On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > > 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to > any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." > > Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long > as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride > like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:19 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be fine. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > > >The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." > >So, yes. > >:-) > >dan > >On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >> >> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >> >> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long >> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride >> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Poplar Grove, IL. >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:23 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying There are some really, really cool apple orchards somewhere to the west/ northwest of Brodhead's Airport and some pilot I know accidentally found them and started flying between the rows that criss-crossed like a checkerboard on somewhat hilly terrain on the deck. Of course this guy pictured himself being chased by Ernst Kessler in the Hurricane Wood. Boy that pilot said those orchards were great fun. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:49 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying I'm pretty sure the FAA has the same fine print in their low flying regs as we do here in Canada. Flying below 500 above the highest obstacle is prohibited for purposes other than take off, landing. A practise forced approach or precautionary approach is an exception to the above. One might find a suiteable field to practice over that happens to be running parallel to a railroad track.... All within the law... Scott Knowlton Slow builder in Burlington -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be fine. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > > >The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." > >So, yes. > >:-) > >dan > >On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >> >> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >> >> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long >> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride >> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >> >> Dan Helsper >> Poplar Grove, IL. >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:36 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: questions for Kevin Purtee Just looked through the pix of Niner Kilo Papa that Chris put up at Westcoastpiet and I have two questions. One, how does the engine sound with those ultra-short and straight exhaust stacks? Does it bark pretty bad? Two, looking at the pix of the bare fuselage on the gear in the driveway, as well as the completed plane, it looks like the nose sits really high compared to my airplane. When you touch down in a full stall, that baby must be REALLY stalled! Or do you ever get the stick all the way back in the flare? Maybe it's that way with all the "motorcycle wheel" Piets?! Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:23 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes Many times at my home airport at dusk there are deer either near the runway edges or standing leisurely right on the runway itself so as a pure SAFETY measure I often times will do a low level fly by over the runway prior to landing to scare any deer away from the runway. Of course sometimes I do this at high noon as well just because some deer are late sleepers. In all cases I make sure that there are no other planes in the pattern or back-taxiing or in the turn-arounds waiting to takeoff. Part of this I say in fun and part of it very real because my flight instructor and I killed a deer by accident that darted in front of the Cherokee I was landing at Northfield Airport in Ohio back in the early 80's and it damaged the left landing gear and flap. The airplane veered to the left and the flight instructor pushed hard right rudder to keep us from going into the tree line next to the runway. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:05 AM PST US From: "Michael F. Townsley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Chris, Agree on Windows 7...That is why I am a Linux user... Pastor Mike Townsley do not archive Chris wrote: > > Jack > > I hate Windows 7. I think the only people who like it are people who had to > suffer through Vista. > > Good Luck! > > Chris > Sacramento,Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:59 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > > Chris, > Thanks so much for maintaining your site; it's great and so helpful for us > builders! I have a new PC as well and haven't switched my site over yet. > Jack > DSM > Do not archive > > I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. > > There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee > http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm > > Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. > > Also added a page listing updates. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm > > I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his > engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. > > I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:24 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying Mike, I think I know who you are talking about, He mentioned something about getting out early while at Brodhead to do some low flying. And for all you train chasers, be DAMN careful, utility companies, telecomunication etc love to get easements from railroads for towers, pole lines and other conspicuous obstructions, so just watch out for them, they get built within days, and might not be on you sectional. One other incident I read a while ago, involved an ultralight who was following a train, got to close (really close) and the train's wake caused him to meet his maker. OK, my fatherly speech is over, go buzz someone you know......or don't know, Shad ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:51 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes Kids, deer, coyotes, cats, and dogs. All have made for 'interesting' landings and roll-outs at 2GA9. Buzzing the field doesn't seem to phase any of them, but it's fun! -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:48 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes After a few beers I would like to tell you of my experience in herding cattle to move them aside for an unscheduled landing in the only meadow in the area. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Boatright >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 9:52 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes > > >Kids, deer, coyotes, cats, and dogs. All have made for 'interesting' >landings and roll-outs at 2GA9. Buzzing the field doesn't seem to >phase any of them, but it's fun! >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:07 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Yeah I thought you had a secret that Chris was leaking. I have been meaning to compliment you on how neat your firewall turned out. It really looks like a professional job. I like the fluting around the top; looks like it was machine done its so good. Get your grandson again; heck one rib a week is better than none. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 27, 2010, Gary Boothe wrote: I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but, ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of wings (?). Jim Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Add some ribs and I'll be happy! Gary ------Original Message------ From: Chris Tracy Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. Also added a page listing updates. http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com Do not archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:43 AM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they will come? Jim Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 27, 2010, Chris wrote: Gary and Jim, It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out of the corn field. Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in Auburn Lake...... Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib building party. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site --> I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but, ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go.... Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of wings (?). Jim Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: Add some ribs and I'll be happy! Gary ------Original Message------ From: Chris Tracy Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. Also added a page listing updates. http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com Do not archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:50 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and very seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach at 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a violation. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration numbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of the wing. Ben On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be fine. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dan Yocum >> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >> >> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >> interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." >> >> So, yes. >> >> :-) >> >> dan >> >> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >> >>> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >>> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >>> >>> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long >>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride >>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >>> >>> Dan Helsper >>> Poplar Grove, IL. >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:48 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today! It is a beautiful day here in Florida today. I hadn't flown the Piet in a week and a half because its been so windy. This morning I went up and did 3 landings, and the winds still weren't too bad. Called my wife and had her come out to the airport for her first ride. I hadn't flown a passenger in about 15 years. We flew down the Indian River, up to New Smyrna Beach, my typical flight. Visibility was about 30 miles under clear skies. It was just really cool to be able to share the experience with her. She got a kick out of the pre-flight briefing about how this is a homebuilt aircraft, built by an amateur, etc.... My intercom was turned off when I got ready to land, and I didn't know to remind her to move her head to one side. This was my first landing not being able to just look ahead for the runway centerline. I had about a 9 kt wind 40 degrees off the runway heading, but managed to do a nice one wheel landing on the upwind wheel, and Carol's response was "Awesome". It doesn't get much better than this, guys. Hope to post some pictures later. Ben Charvet NX866BC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:40 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: More ribs????? I would sure come...to that California Piet gathering that is....IF I knew there were more ribs on the way... (That sounded funny to me when I was just "thinking it" but after typing it...dumb....) Anyway....they just scheduled me for a job in Modesto the week before the big event (June 5)...I'm REALLY looking forward to bringing my camera and staying over a day to pester everyone.... Wow, I just might get TWO Piet gatherings this year! :-) jm....just about to remove my Model A so I can clean/repaint it. The guy that built it did a fantastic mechanical job....but it ain't purty! :-) I have to step up a bit before I can show up along all these museum quality Air Campers I keep seeing!!! -----Original Message----- >From: Jim >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > > >Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they will come? >Jim > >Jim Boyer >Santa Rosa, CA >Pietenpol on wheels >Tail surfaces done >Wing ribs done >Corvair engine > > >On Apr 27, 2010, Chris wrote: > > >Gary and Jim, > >It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out >of the corn field. > >Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in >Auburn Lake...... > >Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If >I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how >much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that >is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib >building party. > >Chris >Sacramento, Ca >Westcoastpiet.com > >Do not archive > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe >Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > >--> > >I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but, >ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go.... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, CA >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >18 ribs done > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > > >Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of >wings (?). >Jim > >Jim Boyer >Santa Rosa, CA >Pietenpol on wheels >Tail surfaces done >Wing ribs done >Corvair engine > > >On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > >Add some ribs and I'll be happy! > >Gary >------Original Message------ >From: Chris Tracy >Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site >Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM > > >I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. > >There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee >http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm > >Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. > >Also added a page listing updates. > >http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm > >I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his >engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. > >I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. > >Chris >Sacramento, Ca >Westcoastpiet.com > > >Do not archive > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:34 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying Ben, I considered that before putting the 30" numbers on my wing, but I figured if someone told the FAA "It was an open cockpit parasol wing monoplane with wire wheels" the Feds would know where to look with or without registration numbers. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and very seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach at 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a violation. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration numbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of the wing. Ben On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash > > So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be fine. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dan Yocum >> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying >> >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >> >> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >> interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." >> >> So, yes. >> >> :-) >> >> dan >> >> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >> >>> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >>> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >>> >>> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long >>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride >>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >>> >>> Dan Helsper >>> Poplar Grove, IL. >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:48 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today! Congratulations Ben and great that your wife's reaction was so positive ! So good that you have a supportive spouse. Keep the airplane and her. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More ribs????? From: "K5YAC" Great to hear that you are getting some work in Jim! Hey, give me a shout if you need a hand. Oh, and if you don't already have a shop picked out to help you with your clean up... I'd like to recommend Lucito's in Tulsa. They made my 40+ year old Corvair look factory new. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296070#296070 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cable crimper From: "K5YAC" Here are some details on my Nicopress knock off that I got from Home Depot (like Clif's). Not as nice as the original tool, but should definitely get me trough this project. The jaws are adjustable, so it might hold up for several projects. Once I nailed the dimension I wanted, it hasn't budged. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=67270&highlight -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296071#296071 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:34 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying Here's 43 seconds of my Pietenpol low flying in the hills of California (prior to me purchasing 'er): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFjXOhPYm1w&playnext_from=TL&videos=f1xihDFyjbo On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > > 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to > any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." > > Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long > as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride > like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:05 AM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Pietenpol-List: California Pietenpol Gathering Well, Since Markle brought it up..... Everyone don't forget that June 5th is the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering. I'll attach a pdf of the event handout. Mike Groah ________________________________ From: Jim Markle Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:09:03 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: More ribs????? I would sure come...to that California Piet gathering that is....IF I knew there were more ribs on the way... (That sounded funny to me when I was just "thinking it" but after typing it...dumb....) Anyway....they just scheduled me for a job in Modesto the week before the big event (June 5)...I'm REALLY looking forward to bringing my camera and staying over a day to pester everyone.... Wow, I just might get TWO Piet gatherings this year! :-) jm....just about to remove my Model A so I can clean/repaint it. The guy that built it did a fantastic mechanical job....but it ain't purty! :-) I have to step up a bit before I can show up along all these museum quality Air Campers I keep seeing!!! -----Original Message----- >From: Jim >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > > >Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they will come? >Jim > >Jim Boyer >Santa Rosa, CA >Pietenpol on wheels >Tail surfaces done >Wing ribs done >Corvair engine > > >On Apr 27, 2010, Chris wrote: > > >Gary and Jim, > >It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out >of the corn field. > >Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in >Auburn Lake...... > >Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If >I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how >much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that >is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib >building party. > >Chris >Sacramento, Ca >Westcoastpiet.com > >Do not archive > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe >Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > >--> > >I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but, >ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go.... > >Gary Boothe >Cool, CA >Pietenpol >WW Corvair Conversion >Tail done, Fuselage on gear >18 ribs done > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim >Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > > >Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of >wings (?). >Jim > >Jim Boyer >Santa Rosa, CA >Pietenpol on wheels >Tail surfaces done >Wing ribs done >Corvair engine > > >On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > >Add some ribs and I'll be happy! > >Gary >------Original Message------ >From: Chris Tracy >Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site >Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM > > >I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. > >There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee >http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm > >Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. > >Also added a page listing updates. > >http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm > >I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his >engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. > >I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. > >Chris >Sacramento, Ca >Westcoastpiet.com > > >Do not archive > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Oscar - I've been told on several occasions that it "sounds good." I've never been told "it's quiet." It wheel lands a lot better than it 3 point lands. That may have a lot to do with the big tires. I can verify that in 90+ hours and ~350 landings the stick has never been completely back on touchdown. I'm going to try to make it to Kingsbury on May 8th. Hope to see you there if you can swing it. Kevin NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296074#296074 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Added new pictures to the web site From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks for all you do, Chris. I sent you a lot of pictures that I consider inane, but know from personal experience that a builder can pick up something helpful that the photographer would never anticipate. I've found helpful details on the fringes of many pics posted on westcoastpiet. I owe you beer, man! Kevin NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296078#296078 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:26 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site What Gary doesn't know is that he's actually built about 48 ribs so far. Unbeknownst to him, I have hired the local Cool Cat Burglary Club to break into his shop on a regular basis and steal one rib at a time, keeping his total count to 18. In a few months I'll have the club put them all back again and he'll have enough for 2 wings! ;-) Dan do not archive On 04/28/2010 10:58 AM, Jim wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim > > > Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they will come? > Jim > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol on wheels > Tail surfaces done > Wing ribs done > Corvair engine > > > On Apr 27, 2010, Chris wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris" > > Gary and Jim, > > It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out > of the corn field. > > Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in > Auburn Lake...... > > Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If > I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how > much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that > is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib > building party. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" > --> > > I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but, > ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 18 ribs done > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim > > > Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of > wings (?). > Jim > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol on wheels > Tail surfaces done > Wing ribs done > Corvair engine > > > On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: gboothe5@comcast.net > > Add some ribs and I'll be happy! > > Gary > ------Original Message------ > From: Chris Tracy > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris" > > I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. > > There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee > http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm > > Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. > > Also added a page listing updates. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm > > I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his > engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. > > I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > Do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:23:38 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying I'm sure others' experiences have been different, but for the type of "no-harm, no-foul" incidences we're talking about here, my experience with authorities (whether fed or local) has uniformly been that if a complaint were lodged and the N-number not provided or was in doubt, the agent would use that as the "reason" for not pursuing the eevil pilot. "Sorrow, sir, that the mean old airplane terrorized your two year old and caused you to wet yourself, but without a confirmed N-number, we really can't do much." YMMV > >Ben, I considered that before putting the 30" numbers on my wing, but I >figured if someone told the FAA "It was an open cockpit parasol wing >monoplane with wire wheels" the Feds would know where to look with or >without registration numbers. > >Jack Phillips >NX899JP >Raleigh, NC > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying From: Rick Holland Who says those big three foot high numbers you paint on the top and bottom of your wings have to be your N number? Assuming you have your real N numbe r in the proper size and location on the tail. rick On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Ben Charvet wrote : > > > When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration > numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and ve ry > seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach at 200 ft > and come across some surfers that would technically cause a violation. O ne > of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration numbers only need t o > be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly bigger than that, but I le ft > the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of the wing. > > Ben > On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash >> >> So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be >> fine. >> >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>> From: Dan Yocum >>> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying >>> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum >>> >>> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >>> interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." >>> >>> So, yes. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> dan >>> >>> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> =A7 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >>>> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >>>> >>>> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as lo ng >>>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ri de >>>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >>>> >>>> Dan Helsper >>>> Poplar Grove, IL. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:55 PM PST US From: Jim Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site Dan, Keep that to yourself. Those of us building in the same area can't keep up with him as it is. He doesn't need those ribs for at least another six months. Jim B. Jim Boyer Santa Rosa, CA Pietenpol on wheels Tail surfaces done Wing ribs done Corvair engine On Apr 28, 2010, Dan Yocum wrote: What Gary doesn't know is that he's actually built about 48 ribs so far. Unbeknownst to him, I have hired the local Cool Cat Burglary Club to break into his shop on a regular basis and steal one rib at a time, keeping his total count to 18. In a few months I'll have the club put them all back again and he'll have enough for 2 wings! ;-) Dan do not archive On 04/28/2010 10:58 AM, Jim wrote: > > > Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they will come? > Jim > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol on wheels > Tail surfaces done > Wing ribs done > Corvair engine > > > On Apr 27, 2010, Chris wrote: > > > Gary and Jim, > > It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out > of the corn field. > > Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in > Auburn Lake...... > > Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If > I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how > much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that > is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib > building party. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > Do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > --> > > I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but, > ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go.... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, CA > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > 18 ribs done > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > > > > Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of > wings (?). > Jim > > Jim Boyer > Santa Rosa, CA > Pietenpol on wheels > Tail surfaces done > Wing ribs done > Corvair engine > > > On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote: > > > Add some ribs and I'll be happy! > > Gary > ------Original Message------ > From: Chris Tracy > Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site > Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM > > > I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website. > > There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee > http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm > > Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures. > > Also added a page listing updates. > > http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm > > I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his > engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days. > > I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > Do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:56 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying On 04/28/2010 11:46 AM, Ben Charvet wrote: > > When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration > numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and > very seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach at > 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a > violation. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration > numbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly > bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of > the wing. Yup. You will notice that other Pietenpolers (F. Pavliga comes to mind) have even put decoy numbers on their wings with no preceding 'N.' N8031 has big ole 1 foot numbers on the side. I've been pondering changing that. Shad has given me some ideas, already. I just need to practice my paint matching and air brushing. do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.