Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Thu 04/29/10


Total Messages Posted: 57



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     1. 01:20 AM - Re: Andrew's rebuild (Andrew M Eldredge)
     2. 03:19 AM - Re: Low level flying (Frank Metcalfe)
     3. 03:46 AM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     4. 03:52 AM - Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (Ryan Mueller)
     5. 04:13 AM - Gettin' in (TOM STINEMETZE)
     6. 04:22 AM - Re: Low level flying (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
     7. 05:47 AM - Re: Nicopress Tool (taildrags)
     8. 05:53 AM - Re: cable crimper (Barry Davis)
     9. 06:07 AM - Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Wayne Bressler)
    10. 06:07 AM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Rick Holland)
    11. 06:24 AM - Re: Low level flying (Jeff Boatright)
    12. 06:25 AM - Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Clif Dawson)
    13. 07:07 AM - Re: Nicopress Tool (K5YAC)
    14. 08:10 AM - Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (Michael F. Townsley)
    15. 09:18 AM - Large reg numbers (Douwe Blumberg)
    16. 09:33 AM - Re: things about the straight axel (womenfly2)
    17. 11:18 AM - Re: Low level flying (Jim Ash)
    18. 12:18 PM - Re: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (walt evans)
    19. 12:52 PM - Re: Low level flying (Clif Dawson)
    20. 01:04 PM - Re: Gettin' in (Ben Charvet)
    21. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee or Oscar (John Franklin)
    22. 01:05 PM - a note rec'd from potential Piet builder (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation])
    23. 01:12 PM - Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Tim Willis)
    24. 01:14 PM - Re: Low level flying (Ben Charvet)
    25. 01:18 PM - Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder (flea)
    26. 01:56 PM - Anyone know of a Piet for sale? (james dankovich)
    27. 01:58 PM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Jim Ash)
    28. 02:05 PM - Re: Gettin' in (Jeff Boatright)
    29. 02:24 PM - Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder (TOM STINEMETZE)
    30. 02:24 PM - Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder (Tim Willis)
    31. 02:27 PM - Re: Large reg numbers and more (Tim Willis)
    32. 02:28 PM - Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder (Bill Church)
    33. 02:33 PM - Re: Gettin' in (kevinpurtee)
    34. 02:38 PM - Re: questions for Kevin Purtee or Oscar (kevinpurtee)
    35. 02:45 PM - Aluminum strut insert material (resend) (Michael Perez)
    36. 02:46 PM - Aluminum strut insert material (Michael Perez)
    37. 02:52 PM - Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? (Steve Ruse)
    38. 03:03 PM - Re: Gettin' in (Dan Yocum)
    39. 04:00 PM - construction and glue (schuerrman)
    40. 04:02 PM - Re: Gettin' in (Ryan Mueller)
    41. 04:08 PM - Re: construction and glue (Jeff Boatright)
    42. 04:11 PM - A-65 still for sale (Ryan Mueller)
    43. 04:35 PM - Re: Gettin' in (Ryan Mueller)
    44. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    45. 04:48 PM - Re: Anyone know of a Piet for sale? (Ryan Mueller)
    46. 05:21 PM - Re: Large reg numbers and more (gcardinal)
    47. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (walt evans)
    48. 05:45 PM - Re: Low level flying (airlion)
    49. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (John Recine)
    50. 07:05 PM - Re: Large reg numbers and more (Jack Phillips)
    51. 07:18 PM - corrosion prevention (skellytown flyer)
    52. 07:22 PM - Re: Aluminum strut insert material (Tim Willis)
    53. 07:31 PM - Re: corrosion prevention (Tim Willis)
    54. 07:53 PM - Re: Gettin' in (Pieti Lowell)
    55. 08:39 PM - Re: construction and glue (dgaldrich)
    56. 09:09 PM - Re: A-65 still for sale (Bill Church)
    57. 09:18 PM - Re: A-65 still for sale (flea)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:20:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Andrew's rebuild
    From: Andrew M Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com>
    All of the structural work is done. I recently varnished the interior, Its fun to see the interior looking shiny and new. The panel is getting a new veneer. The ancient United Instruments altimeter gave up, so it is being replaced with a new Falcon that I got on ebay. The knob notch is not quite in the same place, which is motivating the veneer. I'm re-painting some of the fittings and making a few tweaks in the re-assembly, but I am really close to re-covering. I am being distracted by a Tailwind Project, and that as soon as I finish the piet, I have to start paying for a hangar, which will divert some of my airplane allowance. Thanks for the follow up. It is nice to know there is someone cheering. Andrew On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Chris <catdesigns@att.net> wrote: > Andrew > > How is the rebuilding of your Pietenpol coming along? > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > do not archive > > * > > * > > -- Andrew M. Eldredge Sahuarita, AZ


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    Time: 03:19:02 AM PST US
    From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Low level flying
    If ya fly low enough They cant see those big number on your wing........... =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet <bcharv et@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Wed, April 28, 2010 12:46:05 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>=0A =0AWhen I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration =0Anumbers on the wings.- I like to fly low over the river and beach, an d =0Avery seldom go lower than 500 feet.- I've been cruising down the bea ch =0Aat 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a =0Aviolation.- One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration =0Anumbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly =0A bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of =0At he wing.=0A=0ABen=0AOn 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote:=0A> -->- Pietenp ol-List message posted by: Jim Ash<ashcan@earthlink.net>=0A>=0A> So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be fine.=0A>=0A> Jim=0A>=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A>- - =0A>> From: Dan Yocu m<yocum@fnal.gov>=0A>> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM=0A>> To: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com=0A>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying=0A>>=0A>> - ->- Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov>=0A>>=0A>> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can=0A>> in terpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law."=0A>>=0A>> So, yes. =0A>>=0A>> :-)=0A>>=0A>> dan=0A>>=0A>> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@a ol.com wrote:=0A>>- - - =0A>>>- - - =A7 91.119c "the aircraft m ay not be operated closer than 500 feet to=0A>>>- - - any person, ves sel, vehicle, or structure."=0A>>>=0A>>> Does this mean I can swoop down an d do low-level tree-top stuff, as long=0A>>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride=0A>>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees.=0A>>>=0A>>>- - - Dan Hel sper=0A>>>- - - Poplar Grove, IL.=0A>>>=0A>>> *=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> * =0A>>>- - - - =0A>> -- =0A>> Dan Yocum=0A>> Fermilab- 630.840.650 9=0A>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov=0A>> "I fly because it rel eases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> -========================


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    Time: 03:46:29 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: First Passenger Ride today!
    Wow Ben that's great a first ride that ended in a "WOW that's awesome" just too much for mortal men to ever hope to receive. Great job John Do not arvhive In a message dated 4/28/2010 12:54:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bcharvet@bellsouth.net writes: bcharvet@bellsouth


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    Time: 03:52:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    This gives an idea of the sound, at least on takeoff and landing.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk Ryan On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Just looked through the pix of Niner Kilo Papa that > Chris put up at Westcoastpiet and I have two questions. > > One, how does the engine sound with those ultra-short > and straight exhaust stacks? Does it bark pretty bad? > > Two, looking at the pix of the bare fuselage on the > gear in the driveway, as well as the completed plane, > it looks like the nose sits really high compared to > my airplane. When you touch down in a full stall, > that baby must be REALLY stalled! Or do you ever get > the stick all the way back in the flare? Maybe it's > that way with all the "motorcycle wheel" Piets?! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 04:13:14 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Gettin' in
    I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's seat on a wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how to get in the PILOT's seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put in a step and, if so, where. Any advice would be appreciated. Stinemetze N328X (to be)


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    Time: 04:22:33 AM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Low level flying
    Couple of weekends ago I saw a Bell Huey at a military reenactment. It had the military numbers and the N number was done in a "weathered" look so that it did not stand out from the military numbers. It was privately owned and there as part of a historical presentation on the Vietnam war. It sure has a distinctive "Wop Wop" Sound. I said "that is a Huey" long before we saw it coming. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > Who says those big three foot high numbers you paint on the top > and bottom > of your wings have to be your N number? Assuming you have your > real N number > in the proper size and location on the tail. > > rick > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Ben Charvet <wrote: > > > > > When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration > > numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and very > > seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach at 200 ft > > and come across some surfers that would technically cause a violation. One > > of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration numbers only need to > > be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly bigger than that, but I left > > the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of the wing. > > > > Ben > > On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > > > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash< > >> > >> So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be > >> fine. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> > >>> From: Dan Yocum< > >>> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM > >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > >>> > >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum< > >>> > >>> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can > >>> interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." > >>> > >>> So, yes. > >>> > >>> :-) > >>> > >>> dan > >>> > >>> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to > >>>> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." > >>>> > >>>> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long > >>>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride > >>>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. > >>>> > >>>> Dan Helsper > >>>> Poplar Grove, IL. > >>>> > >>>> * > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> * > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -- > >>> Dan Yocum > >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 > >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > >>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > =========== > =========== > =========== > =========== > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 05:47:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nicopress Tool
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    What did you adjust to change the crimp dimension? -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296118#296118


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    Time: 05:53:07 AM PST US
    From: "Barry Davis" <bed@mindspring.com>
    Subject: cable crimper
    We used a cheaper one about 24" long found on ebay for around $40 and it worked great for all 6 Big Piets. We bought a Go/NoGo gauge from Aircraft Spruce to check our crimps. The tool is adjustable so you will get happy results. Barry -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: cable crimper --> <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> Well I need to do quite a few Nicopress crimps yet on 1/8" cable on my project. I have used one of the slow bolt together tools for a long time but I have messed up on to many nico's with it.I'm ready to try something different.I have read in the past that some folks were having decent results with a tool that probably came from harbor freight or some such store. I'm not crazy about buying another cheap Chinese made tool but if it will get me through this project I guess I need to.can anyone tell me if they have used one with good results? there is a store in Amarillo about 55 miles from here. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=295916#295916


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    Time: 06:07:17 AM PST US
    From: Wayne Bressler <wayne@taildraggersinc.com>
    Subject: Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes
    Didn't Jack share a video a while back that showed a deer darting off the side of the runway during the landing rollout? Clearing for safety is rarely a *bad* idea. Then again, we had a kid in a 152 get attacked by a deer while doing touch and go's. So a clearing pass is no guaruntee, I guess. Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:54 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > [ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > > Many times at my home airport at dusk there are deer either near the > runway edges > or standing leisurely right on the runway itself so as a pure SAFETY > measure I often > times will do a low level fly by over the runway prior to landing to > scare any deer > away from the runway. > > Of course sometimes I do this at high noon as well just because some > deer are late sleepers. > In all cases I make sure that there are no other planes in the > pattern or back-taxiing or > in the turn-arounds waiting to takeoff. > > Part of this I say in fun and part of it very real because my flight > instructor and I killed > a deer by accident that darted in front of the Cherokee I was > landing at Northfield Airport > in Ohio back in the early 80's and it damaged the left landing gear > and flap. The airplane > veered to the left and the flight instructor pushed hard right > rudder to keep us from > going into the tree line next to the runway. > > Mike C. > >


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    Time: 06:07:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Passenger Ride today!
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Sounds like a great time Ben. You think a passenger head in your way on landing is distracting, think what it's like landing with one of those big fat Model A radiators in your face. rick On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>wrote: > > It is a beautiful day here in Florida today. I hadn't flown the Piet in a > week and a half because its been so windy. This morning I went up and did 3 > landings, and the winds still weren't too bad. Called my wife and had her > come out to the airport for her first ride. I hadn't flown a passenger in > about 15 years. We flew down the Indian River, up to New Smyrna Beach, my > typical flight. Visibility was about 30 miles under clear skies. It was > just really cool to be able to share the experience with her. She got a > kick out of the pre-flight briefing about how this is a homebuilt aircraft, > built by an amateur, etc.... My intercom was turned off when I got ready to > land, and I didn't know to remind her to move her head to one side. This > was my first landing not being able to just look ahead for the runway > centerline. I had about a 9 kt wind 40 degrees off the runway heading, but > managed to do a nice one wheel landing on the upwind wheel, and Carol's > response was "Awesome". It doesn't get much better than this, guys. Hope > to post some pictures later. > > Ben Charvet > NX866BC > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"


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    Time: 06:24:54 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Low level flying
    Tricksy! Hobbits are tricksy, they are! >Who says those big three foot high numbers you paint on the top and >bottom of your wings have to be your N number? Assuming you have >your real N number in the proper size and location on the tail. > >rick -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 06:25:14 AM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes
    Wasn't this you? Clif To be able to fill leisure intelligently is the last product of civilization. Bertrand Russell > After a few beers I would like to tell you of my experience in herding > cattle to move them aside for an unscheduled landing in the only meadow in > the area. > Tim in central TX > do not archive


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    Time: 07:07:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Nicopress Tool
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    It is hard to see in my photos, but there is a big set screw (hex type) that adjusts the pivot lever, which adjusts the jaw in or out (tighter or looser). If you look at the pivot point, on the red body (not the handles), you will notice a lever positioned between the two. One end is bolted to the center of the tool... if you follow it back you can see that it is pinned to the opposite side (also painted red at the pin) and continues back. At the end of this lever, on the top side of the tool (as the photo is oriented), is where you will find the set screw adjustment. If you follow the action of the lever, you can see how it would adjust the jaws in and out. Hope this helps. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296140#296140


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    Time: 08:10:35 AM PST US
    From: "Michael F. Townsley" <allischalmersguy@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
    That was pretty awesome! Thanks Ryan. Mike Townsley Ryan Mueller wrote: > This gives an idea of the sound, at least on takeoff and landing.... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDj-LQ0cfyk > > Ryan > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com > <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > <taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com>> > > > Just looked through the pix of Niner Kilo Papa that > Chris put up at Westcoastpiet and I have two questions. > > One, how does the engine sound with those ultra-short > and straight exhaust stacks? Does it bark pretty bad? > > Two, looking at the pix of the bare fuselage on the > gear in the driveway, as well as the completed plane, > it looks like the nose sits really high compared to > my airplane. When you touch down in a full stall, > that baby must be REALLY stalled! Or do you ever get > the stick all the way back in the flare? Maybe it's > that way with all the "motorcycle wheel" Piets?! > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > * > > > *


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    Time: 09:18:12 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Large reg numbers
    As long as you are displaying your correct "N" number in minimum 2" letters on the tail, you can paint whatever series of letters or numbers whever you want on the airframe, as long as a series of numbers doesn't start with the letter "N". My reg # is N799B (NX799B, thank you very much!) but I just painted "799" on the wings 'cause it felt nostalgic, and doesn't give more info to the general public than necessary, and is perfectly legal. Douwe


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    Time: 09:33:18 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: things about the straight axel
    From: "womenfly2" <keriannprice@hotmail.com>
    I agree. Make sure you fully capture the axle in all plane axis. If I did this again I would make a side plate with a slot in it for the axle to ride up and down in and to remove the back and forward swing. I would also not depend on a safety cable to stop the axle travel do to a bungee cord failure whereby letting the gear legs dig into the ground. Seen many ways of doing this, made up with tubing or sheet stock. But I would not do it with just bungee cord wrapped around a straight again. Just my 2 cents. "Keep the Dream" -------- [url=]http://westcoastpiet.com/yesterday_wings.htm[/url] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296145#296145


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    Time: 11:18:04 AM PST US
    From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Low level flying
    My experience with this stuff has been that the general public observer has done amazingling well if they can get the number of wings on the plane right. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 3:44 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > > >I'm sure others' experiences have been different, but for the type of >"no-harm, no-foul" incidences we're talking about here, my experience >with authorities (whether fed or local) has uniformly been that if a >complaint were lodged and the N-number not provided or was in doubt, >the agent would use that as the "reason" for not pursuing the eevil >pilot. "Sorrow, sir, that the mean old airplane terrorized your two >year old and caused you to wet yourself, but without a confirmed >N-number, we really can't do much." > >YMMV > >> >>Ben, I considered that before putting the 30" numbers on my wing, but I >>figured if someone told the FAA "It was an open cockpit parasol wing >>monoplane with wire wheels" the Feds would know where to look with or >>without registration numbers. >> >>Jack Phillips >>NX899JP >>Raleigh, NC >> > >


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    Time: 12:18:28 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
    Guys, If its just Idle chatter, and not fit to be stored in the archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Put,,,,,,,"do not archive",,, in the the messege, somewhere,,anywhere. thanks walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Hi Oscar - I've been told on several occasions that it "sounds good." I've never been told "it's quiet." It wheel lands a lot better than it 3 point lands. That may have a lot to do with the big tires. I can verify that in 90+ hours and ~350 landings the stick has never been completely back on touchdown. I'm going to try to make it to Kingsbury on May 8th. Hope to see you there if you can swing it. Kevin NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296074#296074


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    Time: 12:52:14 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Low level flying
    Hmmmm...You mean, like, Yankee Echo, Echo, Hotel, Alpha, Whiskey ?? Clif "I am a child who is getting on." (Marc Chagall) "It takes a very long time to become young." (Pablo Picasso) ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying Who says those big three foot high numbers you paint on the top and bottom of your wings have to be your N number? Assuming you have your real N number in the proper size and location on the tail. rick On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote: <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and very seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach at 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a violation. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration numbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of the wing. Ben On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash<ashcan@earthlink.net> So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be fine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." So, yes. :-) dan On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: =A7 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. * * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 04/28/10 11:27:00


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    Time: 01:04:13 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    I watched a few videos about how to get in and tried to get my wife in that way. She's not as flexible as she used to be due to some back surgery. I put a cross bar a few inches down from the top of my landing gear legs (split gear). The cross bar can be used as a step. She grabs the cabanes, puts her right foot on the cross-bar step, then leans back to get her left leg inside the cockpit. From there she puts her head through the left side and pulls her right leg in. Practice is probably the key here, but she came up with this proceedure on her own. I put a nice retractable step even with the front of the pilot's seat on the right side. After the airplane was complete, I find it easy to stand a little bit aft of the cockpit and throw my left leg up and over, then climbing in from there. In 27 hours of flight I haven't used the step yet. I'm only 55 yo now, and figure 20 years from now that step might come in handy. Ben On 4/28/2010 2:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's > seat on a wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how > to get in the PILOT's seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put in > a step and, if so, where. Any advice would be appreciated.* > ** > *Stinemetze* > *N328X (to be)* > * > > > *


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    Time: 01:04:13 PM PST US
    From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee or Oscar
    Kevin / Oscar, I noticed you mentioned a fly-in at Kingsbury on 8May? I can't seem to find any info on it on the Internet. Can you confirm it? Thanks, John F. -----Original Message----- >From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:13 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee > > >Hi Oscar - I've been told on several occasions that it "sounds good." I've never been told "it's quiet." > >It wheel lands a lot better than it 3 point lands. That may have a lot to do with the big tires. I can verify that in 90+ hours and ~350 landings the stick has never been completely back on touchdown. > >I'm going to try to make it to Kingsbury on May 8th. Hope to see you there if you can swing it. > >Kevin >NX899KP > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296074#296074 > > ________________________________________


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    Time: 01:05:44 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder
    I rec'd this e-mail off-list and posted it for the guy who would like some input. I don't have time to address his questions but told him to join the Matronics list and he could see if anyone has any suggestions for words of wisdom for him. Thanks, Mike C. Dear Mike, I'm thinking that the Pientenpole is a good choice for me. I have built thi ngs from wood before. My last project was a birdhouse, and I got a good mar k on it (in 1964) in woodworking class. I have also assembled a few cabinet s from Ikea, with only a few leftover parts. I think the Pientenpole would make a good cross-country aircraft for me and my family. I like the antique look. I will be installing a glass panel. From what I have read, it is a b it draggy, so I plan to use the modernized, GN-1 plans. Can you tell me how roomy the cockpit is? I'm average sized (5' - 1 3/4" tall, 261 pounds), bu t I do have arthritis in my legs, so I will be putting doors on both sides. I will be using the Corvair for power, as I hope to achieve a cruise speed of 150+ mph, and because that's what every new builder plans to use. I hav e plenty of plywood that I have salvaged from the little crates that Clemen tines come in. Anyone know a good source for Popular? Does anyone have a se t of used plans they would like to sell (cheap)?


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    Time: 01:12:17 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes
    Actually it was a Cessna Cardinal, and it was a dozen cows. It was in the Ozark foothills of eastern MO, in a locale where often a "valley" is 10 feet wide. That meadow was a godsend. I love the pic though, obviously a Model A Piet. Is that from our site? If so, I missed it previously. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 11:26 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes > >Wasn't this you? > >Clif > >To be able to fill leisure intelligently is the last product of >civilization. >Bertrand Russell > >> After a few beers I would like to tell you of my experience in herding >> cattle to move them aside for an unscheduled landing in the only meadow in >> the area. >> Tim in central TX >> do not archive


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    Time: 01:14:41 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Low level flying
    I do have an 18 inch Pelican on the side of my fuselage that would make me pretty easy to identify too. Wouldn't actually give them my address though.... I do most of my low level flying about 25 miles from home, down New Smyrna Beach, or out over the St Johns river. I doubt the cows, alligators or airboats out there would complain. Ben On 4/28/2010 1:38 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Ben, I considered that before putting the 30" numbers on my wing, but I > figured if someone told the FAA "It was an open cockpit parasol wing > monoplane with wire wheels" the Feds would know where to look with or > without registration numbers. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:46 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet<bcharvet@bellsouth.net> > > When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration > numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and > very seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach > at 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a > violation. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration > numbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly > bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of > the wing. > > Ben > On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash<ashcan@earthlink.net> >> >> So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be >> > fine. > >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>> From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov> >>> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying >>> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov> >>> >>> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >>> interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." >>> >>> So, yes. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> dan >>> >>> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >>>> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >>>> >>>> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long >>>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride >>>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >>>> >>>> Dan Helsper >>>> Poplar Grove, IL. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 01:18:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder
    From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
    I suspect humor is at play here. either that or at 5'9" 220 I'm tall and thin. ( I don't feel very tall and thin. . .) On the other hand a 150 mph piet is entirely possible i think. After you have whistled right past Vne, and the wings and empanage have left you, you would be left with a 100hp lawn dart that should be capable of 150. assuming you have the altitude of course. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296174#296174


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    Time: 01:56:17 PM PST US
    From: james dankovich <jdankochiro@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Anyone know of a Piet for sale?
    Hello....I have been reading for about a year now.- After abandoning a co uple of projects, I realize I am just not much of a builder. But, does anyo ne know of a Piet for sale?- You may want to contact me off list... thank s! - Jim- jdankochiro@yahoo.com


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    Time: 01:58:04 PM PST US
    From: Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: First Passenger Ride today!
    Yeah, baby. Good for you. Greasers score extra points with passengers. I kinda got used to the head thing flying passengers in a 2-33. I tend to move my head a lot to where they aren't, or keep mine to one extreme side. Sometimes I use the runway edge off of one side as a guide, eyeball my distance to the centerline, and hope I'm not going deer hunting at the last instant. Sometimes you just have to concede a head-shaped blind spot ahead of you. The ones that annoy me are the ones that are all over the place; I've asked/told a couple of them to sit still for a minute while on short final. With a tailtragger you should be used to taking off and landing with poor forward visibility anyhow. Nice meeting you at SNF, BTW. Jim -----Original Message----- >From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> >Sent: Apr 28, 2010 12:53 PM >To: Pietenpol list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today! > > >It is a beautiful day here in Florida today. I hadn't flown the Piet in >a week and a half because its been so windy. This morning I went up and >did 3 landings, and the winds still weren't too bad. Called my wife and >had her come out to the airport for her first ride. I hadn't flown a >passenger in about 15 years. We flew down the Indian River, up to New >Smyrna Beach, my typical flight. Visibility was about 30 miles under >clear skies. It was just really cool to be able to share the experience >with her. She got a kick out of the pre-flight briefing about how this >is a homebuilt aircraft, built by an amateur, etc.... My intercom was >turned off when I got ready to land, and I didn't know to remind her to >move her head to one side. This was my first landing not being able to >just look ahead for the runway centerline. I had about a 9 kt wind 40 >degrees off the runway heading, but managed to do a nice one wheel >landing on the upwind wheel, and Carol's response was "Awesome". It >doesn't get much better than this, guys. Hope to post some pictures later. > >Ben Charvet >NX866BC > >


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    Time: 02:05:35 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    I have short legs and I can do it easily without a step, etc. I'll make a video of it, but I won't be able to for a couple of weeks. >Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Description: HTML > >I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's >seat on a wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how >to get in the PILOT's seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put >in a step and, if so, where. Any advice would be appreciated. > >Stinemetze >N328X (to be) > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 02:24:27 PM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder
    Hey Mikee! When did you get this e-mail from The Fisherman? Tom do not archive >>> "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> 4/29/2010 10:43 AM >>> I recd this e-mail off-list and posted it for the guy who would like some input. I dont have time to address his questions but told him to join the Matronics list and he could see if anyone has any suggestions for words of wisdom for him. Thanks, Mike C. Dear Mike, I'm thinking that the Pientenpole is a good choice for me. I have built things from wood before. My last project was a birdhouse, and I got a good mark on it (in 1964) in woodworking class. I have also assembled a few cabinets from Ikea, with only a few leftover parts. I think the Pientenpole would make a good cross-country aircraft for me and my family. I like the antique look. I will be installing a glass panel. >From what I have read, it is a bit draggy, so I plan to use the modernized, GN-1 plans. Can you tell me how roomy the cockpit is? I'm average sized (5' - 1 3/4" tall, 261 pounds), but I do have arthritis in my legs, so I will be putting doors on both sides. I will be using the Corvair for power, as I hope to achieve a cruise speed of 150+ mph, and because that's what every new builder plans to use. I have plenty of plywood that I have salvaged from the little crates that Clementines come in. Anyone know a good source for Popular? Does anyone have a set of used plans they would like to sell (cheap)?


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    Time: 02:24:34 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder
    Yes, guy, a suggestion-- mark one door "Exit." It is shorter than "entrance," and then you can guess which door is the entrance. This will all save weight, and the guessing part will help prevent Alzheimer's too. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Sent: Apr 29, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder I recd this e-mail off-list and posted it for the guy who would like some input. I dont have time to address his questions but told him to join the Matronics list and he could see if anyone has any suggestions for words of wisdom for him. Thanks, Mike C. Dear Mike, I'm thinking that the Pientenpole is a good choice for me. I have built things from wood before. My last project was a birdhouse, and I got a good mark on it (in 1964) in woodworking class. I have also assembled a few cabinets from Ikea, with only a few leftover parts. I think the Pientenpole would make a good cross-country aircraft for me and my family. I like the antique look. I will be installing a glass panel. From what I have read, it is a bit draggy, so I plan to use the modernized, GN-1 plans. Can you tell me how roomy the cockpit is? I'm average sized (5' - 1 3/4" tall, 261 pounds), but I do have arthritis in my legs, so I will be putting doors on both sides. I will be using the Corvair for power, as I hope to achieve a cruise speed of 150+ mph, and because that's what every new builder plans to use. I have plenty of plywood that I have salvaged from the little crates that Clementines come in. Anyone know a good source for Popular? Does anyone have a set of used plans they would like to sell (cheap)?


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    Time: 02:27:00 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Large reg numbers and more
    Maybe you fellows have been saying the same thing, but it looks to me like on a Piet or such an iteration of an older design: 1. only the 2 inch numbers on the tail are needed. 2 you can use an "NX" number, and if so, that "experimental" does not have to appear on the plane. 3. since fabric-covered, the registration PLATE does not have to be on the fuselage near the tail, but can be in the front cockpit or the like. Are these the right conclusions? I know I have seen a lot of such implementations. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >Sent: Apr 29, 2010 9:10 AM >To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers > > >As long as you are displaying your correct "N" number in minimum 2" letters >on the tail, you can paint whatever series of letters or numbers whever you >want on the airframe, as long as a series of numbers doesn't start with the >letter "N". > >My reg # is N799B (NX799B, thank you very much!) but I just painted "799" on >the wings 'cause it felt nostalgic, and doesn't give more info to the >general public than necessary, and is perfectly legal. > >Douwe > >


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    Time: 02:28:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Sounds like he's on track. I would suggest adding wheelpants to his Pientinpohle. And possibly front doors as well (make it a four-door). Lowes or Home Depot would be the place to get Aircraft quality wood, for sure (turnbuckles too). BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296193#296193


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    Time: 02:33:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    I have tall wheels, per-the-plans cabanes and the wing's 4" back. I'm not flexible. I practiced getting in and out and now I simply swing my right leg up into the cockpit and wriggle in with no problem. Didn't think I'd be able to do it initially. Kevin Purtee NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296197#296197


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    Time: 02:38:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee or Oscar
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Hi John - The only place I've seen it is on their web site: http://pioneerflightmuseum.org/news/index.shtml I'm going to call them later in the week to verify and get the times. Kevin NX899KP do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296198#296198


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    Time: 02:45:50 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Aluminum strut insert material (resend)
    Looks like my first email did not go through, or is very slow, so here it i s again: - Since the cabane struts are held onto the fuselage with spruce-and the st eel fittings, I am wondering if a hard wood, (oak, ash...) would work as an insert for the aluminum strut itself.- The struts I am using have a 3/4" flat machined inside the entire length for the insert. Most use aluminum o r steel inserts, but since the-fittings themselves are-bolted to spruce , curious if a hard wood would be fine up inside the strut.


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    Time: 02:46:53 PM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Aluminum strut insert material
    Since the cabane struts are held onto the fuselage with spruce-and the st eel fittings, I am wondering if a hard wood, (oak, ash...) would work as an insert for the aluminum strut itself.- The struts I am using have a 3/4" flat machined inside the entire length for the insert. Most use aluminum o r steel inserts, but since the-fittings themselves are-bolted to spruce , curious if a hard wood would be fine up inside the strut.


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    Time: 02:52:30 PM PST US
    From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
    Subject: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take?
    I'm curious on this...I bought my plane about five years ago. I fly it almost every week when weather allows...usually close to 100 hours/year...I've covered probably 25,000 miles in it, including a few 900+ mile one-way trips. The airframe has somewhere below 700hrs on it I believe. I can't imagine selling it (unless Mike Cuy or one of you guys with the amazing Piets decides to sell to me...and even then I'm not sure I could let mine go). So I'm wondering...how many hours can those glue joints take? Mine was put together with DAP Weldwood...finished in 1983. As I posted about last year, I did some destructive testing on the passenger seat (after a poorly made joint failed) and determined that the glue joints are still stronger than the spruce & plywood used to make the seat (not bad after 30 years). So to get to the point, my question is do these wood airframes have a practical limit? I guess really I need to find information on the aging of Weldwood joints. Has anyone ever seen this information? Is there any practical reason my airframe can't go 3,000 hours? 5,000? Am I correct in assuming that the glue joints would be the first concern, if there is one (assuming that metal fittings are appropriately protected, etc.)? Part of what brings up this question is that last weekend I flew through the worst turbulence I've experienced in ~600hrs as a pilot...I was getting yanked down by the straps...slammed up and down so hard that the engine sputtered a few times because it wasn't getting fuel. I was trying to skirt my way around a small spring shower in OK, I was several miles from a large "shaft" of rain, thought I could get around it without trouble but the turbulence and high winds extended well past the rain...won't do that again. I immediately turned away but still had a healthy amount of fear for a couple of minutes until I was clear. The Air Camper brought me through it but not without ripping an elevator gap seal in half. Any information will be appreciated! Steve Ruse Norman, OK


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    Time: 03:03:25 PM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    Hi Tom, N8031 has a step that's been covered over on the port side. Rob Bach's has a step on the starboard side, as does Dan Helsper's Piet (he posted some drool inducing photos a while back...). I'm still a young man so I just swing my leg up an in and step on the seat. I'm sure one day I'll be uncovering that step, though. Dan On 04/28/2010 01:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's > seat on a wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how to > get in the PILOT's seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put in a > step and, if so, where. Any advice would be appreciated.* > ** > *Stinemetze* > *N328X (to be)* > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."


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    Time: 04:00:07 PM PST US
    Subject: construction and glue
    From: "schuerrman" <sdschuerr@live.com>
    I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not recommended, so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep trying, trimming to smaller pieces until you get it right? Has anyone had excellent results with sanding to fit? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm thisclose to starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting clean. I'm finally on the move. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296210#296210


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    Time: 04:02:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    It just clicked...Mikee's got a handhold in the cutout....that must be what he's grabbing. :P Ryan do not archive On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote: > I like Mike Cuy's method from his DVD, where he just stands next to the > fuselage and swings his right leg in, stands up inside and brings his left > leg in and then sits down....made possible by grabbing onto the cabane and > having the center section cutout, if I recall. > > 502R has a wing cut out, but I don't think it's quite as deep as > Mike's....additionally, if I recall, Gene mentioned he had moved the wing > back a bit for CG purposes....those two factors combine to make it so I > wasn't able to really reach the cabane for a handhold to use to enter with > Mike's method. We'll have to play around and figure out the best way this > summer.... > > Ryan > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote: > >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> N8031 has a step that's been covered over on the port side. Rob Bach's >> has a step on the starboard side, as does Dan Helsper's Piet (he posted some >> drool inducing photos a while back...). >> >> I'm still a young man so I just swing my leg up an in and step on the >> seat. I'm sure one day I'll be uncovering that step, though. >> >> Dan >> >> >> On 04/28/2010 01:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: >> >>> *I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's >>> >>> seat on a wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how to >>> get in the PILOT's seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put in a >>> step and, if so, where. Any advice would be appreciated.* >>> ** >>> *Stinemetze* >>> *N328X (to be)* >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >>> >> >> -- >> Dan Yocum >> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >> >> >> >> >> >> >


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    Time: 04:08:18 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: construction and glue
    Others have reported that sanding has no effect on joint strength of T-88 joints. I have done a few tests and the wood always fails before the joint whether the surfaces were sanded or not. I used a tack cloth to remove dust. HOWEVER, I encourage you to do your own tests. If anyone has data showing loss of stength due to sanding the surfaces to be glued, please please point us in the direction of those studies. > >I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not >recommended, so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep >trying, trimming to smaller pieces until you get it right? Has >anyone had excellent results with sanding to fit? Glue arrived >yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm thisclose to >starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting >clean. I'm finally on the move. > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..."


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    Time: 04:11:31 PM PST US
    Subject: A-65 still for sale
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    We still have an A-65 available for sale. Low time, complete logs, more info here: http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=420563 and please email me for details. We are now asking $2,000, which is an excellent deal. Have a good day, Ryan


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    Time: 04:35:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    I like Mike Cuy's method from his DVD, where he just stands next to the fuselage and swings his right leg in, stands up inside and brings his left leg in and then sits down....made possible by grabbing onto the cabane and having the center section cutout, if I recall. 502R has a wing cut out, but I don't think it's quite as deep as Mike's....additionally, if I recall, Gene mentioned he had moved the wing back a bit for CG purposes....those two factors combine to make it so I wasn't able to really reach the cabane for a handhold to use to enter with Mike's method. We'll have to play around and figure out the best way this summer.... Ryan On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > N8031 has a step that's been covered over on the port side. Rob Bach's has > a step on the starboard side, as does Dan Helsper's Piet (he posted some > drool inducing photos a while back...). > > I'm still a young man so I just swing my leg up an in and step on the seat. > I'm sure one day I'll be uncovering that step, though. > > Dan > > > On 04/28/2010 01:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > >> *I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's >> >> seat on a wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how to >> get in the PILOT's seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put in a >> step and, if so, where. Any advice would be appreciated.* >> ** >> *Stinemetze* >> *N328X (to be)* >> >> * >> >> >> * >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > >


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    Time: 04:48:29 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder
    Both Lowe's and Home Depot sell a lot of propeller blanks. You can tell when you look down the length it already has some twist built in. Round it out with a chain saw, cut it to length and and there you go. SDD ;+} Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a note rec'd from potential Piet builder > > Sounds like he's on track. > I would suggest adding wheelpants to his Pientinpohle. > And possibly front doors as well (make it a four-door). > Lowes or Home Depot would be the place to get Aircraft quality wood, for sure (turnbuckles too). > > BC > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296193#296193 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:48:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Anyone know of a Piet for sale?
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Alex Whitmore's Model A powered Piet has been posted back up on Barnstormers for $10.5k. He's located in Texas, I believe. Go to Barnstormers and search for 'Pietenpol'.... Ryan do not archive On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:45 AM, james dankovich <jdankochiro@yahoo.com>wrote: > Hello....I have been reading for about a year now. After abandoning a > couple of projects, I realize I am just not much of a builder. But, does > anyone know of a Piet for sale? You may want to contact me off list... > thanks! > > Jim jdankochiro@yahoo.com > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 05:21:53 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Large reg numbers and more
    #1 and #2 are correct. #3 may not be correct. The data plate on NX18235 was mounted in the rear cockpit and the DAR insisted that a metal plate with make, model and serial # be mounted on the aft fuselage by the tail. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers and more > <timothywillis@earthlink.net> > > Maybe you fellows have been saying the same thing, but it looks to me like > on a Piet or such an iteration of an older design: > > 1. only the 2 inch numbers on the tail are needed. > 2 you can use an "NX" number, and if so, that "experimental" does not > have to appear on the plane. > 3. since fabric-covered, the registration PLATE does not have to be on the > fuselage near the tail, but can be in the front cockpit or the like. > > Are these the right conclusions? I know I have seen a lot of such > implementations. > Tim in central TX > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >>Sent: Apr 29, 2010 9:10 AM >>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers >> >><douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >> >>As long as you are displaying your correct "N" number in minimum 2" >>letters >>on the tail, you can paint whatever series of letters or numbers whever >>you >>want on the airframe, as long as a series of numbers doesn't start with >>the >>letter "N". >> >>My reg # is N799B (NX799B, thank you very much!) but I just painted "799" >>on >>the wings 'cause it felt nostalgic, and doesn't give more info to the >>general public than necessary, and is perfectly legal. >> >>Douwe >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 05:33:10 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
    Wow, apparently nobody is listening to the rules. Put "do not archive" at the end of your posts if it's just idle chatter. Or the archives are over run with stuff. Everyone wants to talk, but nobody wants to listen. (that used to be a big problem with engineers). Got no use for non listeners. PS I'm gone from the group. Goodbye! if you want me offline,,,, waltdak@verizon.net. "Nobody ever learned anything from talking" (think about it) walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: walt evans To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee Guys, If its just Idle chatter, and not fit to be stored in the archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Put,,,,,,,"do not archive",,, in the the messege, somewhere,,anywhere. thanks walt evans NX140DL ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Hi Oscar - I've been told on several occasions that it "sounds good." I've never been told "it's quiet." It wheel lands a lot better than it 3 point lands. That may have a lot to do with the big tires. I can verify that in 90+ hours and ~350 landings the stick has never been completely back on touchdown. I'm going to try to make it to Kingsbury on May 8th. Hope to see you there if you can swing it. Kevin NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296074#296074 http://www.matnbsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================


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    Time: 05:45:29 PM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Low level flying
    Ben, Pelican.is a bird with a beak that holds more than his belly can-- THE HELL IT CAN Gardiner. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 8:10:32 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying I do have an 18 inch Pelican on the side of my fuselage that would make me pretty easy to identify too. Wouldn't actually give them my address though.... I do most of my low level flying about 25 miles from home, down New Smyrna Beach, or out over the St Johns river. I doubt the cows, alligators or airboats out there would complain. Ben On 4/28/2010 1:38 PM, Jack Phillips wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"<pietflyr@bellsouth.net> > > Ben, I considered that before putting the 30" numbers on my wing, but I > figured if someone told the FAA "It was an open cockpit parasol wing > monoplane with wire wheels" the Feds would know where to look with or > without registration numbers. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Raleigh, NC > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:46 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet<bcharvet@bellsouth.net> > > When I was deciding my paint layout, I considered the large registration > numbers on the wings. I like to fly low over the river and beach, and > very seldom go lower than 500 feet. I've been cruising down the beach > at 200 ft and come across some surfers that would technically cause a > violation. One of the beauties of the Pietenpol is your registration > numbers only need to be I think 2 inches tall, I made mine slightly > bigger than that, but I left the large "There goes Ben" numbers off of > the wing. > > Ben > On 4/28/2010 8:29 AM, Jim Ash wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim Ash<ashcan@earthlink.net> >> >> So as long as I don't shake hands with the locomotive engineer, I'll be >> > fine. > >> Jim >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>> From: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov> >>> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 8:06 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Low level flying >>> >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Dan Yocum<yocum@fnal.gov> >>> >>> The FAA regulations are intentionally non-specific so that one can >>> interpret them and remain within "The Letter of the Law." >>> >>> So, yes. >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> dan >>> >>> On 04/28/2010 06:45 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>> 91.119c "the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to >>>> any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure." >>>> >>>> Does this mean I can swoop down and do low-level tree-top stuff, as long >>>> as there is no person, vessel, or structure? One year I got a great ride >>>> like that from a Bi-plane guy. What a thrill! In and out of the trees. >>>> >>>> Dan Helsper >>>> Poplar Grove, IL. >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Dan Yocum >>> Fermilab 630.840.6509 >>> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >>> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >


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    Time: 06:07:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
    From: "John Recine" <amsafetyc@aol.com>
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    Time: 07:05:29 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Large reg numbers and more
    My plane was inspected by the FAA FSDO and they approved my metal data plate installed on the sidewall of the rear cockpit. DARs may not feel they have the authority to approve anything but mounting it under the stabilizer. Jack Phillips NX899JP Raleigh, NC -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers and more #1 and #2 are correct. #3 may not be correct. The data plate on NX18235 was mounted in the rear cockpit and the DAR insisted that a metal plate with make, model and serial # be mounted on the aft fuselage by the tail. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers and more > <timothywillis@earthlink.net> > > Maybe you fellows have been saying the same thing, but it looks to me like > on a Piet or such an iteration of an older design: > > 1. only the 2 inch numbers on the tail are needed. > 2 you can use an "NX" number, and if so, that "experimental" does not > have to appear on the plane. > 3. since fabric-covered, the registration PLATE does not have to be on the > fuselage near the tail, but can be in the front cockpit or the like. > > Are these the right conclusions? I know I have seen a lot of such > implementations. > Tim in central TX > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >>Sent: Apr 29, 2010 9:10 AM >>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers >> >><douweblumberg@earthlink.net> >> >>As long as you are displaying your correct "N" number in minimum 2" >>letters >>on the tail, you can paint whatever series of letters or numbers whever >>you >>want on the airframe, as long as a series of numbers doesn't start with >>the >>letter "N". >> >>My reg # is N799B (NX799B, thank you very much!) but I just painted "799" >>on >>the wings 'cause it felt nostalgic, and doesn't give more info to the >>general public than necessary, and is perfectly legal. >> >>Douwe >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 07:18:35 PM PST US
    Subject: corrosion prevention
    From: "skellytown flyer" <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
    I am about ready to fabricate my Jury struts on my project. It has the extruded aluminum struts.and I am not sure whether I will make steel wraps to go around them with tabs to bolt them to or whether I'll make simple L type brackets and pop rivet them to the top surface and bolt to those like my Challenger and other light aircraft designs use. I don't think a couple of rivet holes in one side for 5/32" rivets would weaken them much at all. if I use the wraps I'm thinking I should use some type of tape to protect from corrosion between the aluminum and steel.probably some polyethylene tape like i have used on natural gas pipe buried underground. any thoughts here as to what might work better? if I did the tab I'd make it from 4130 strap with several coats of aircraft primer on the surface between the aluminum but it would still be steel against aluminum. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296253#296253


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    Time: 07:22:10 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Aluminum strut insert material
    I am using Aluminum-- alloy is 6064-T-6, 1 inch (1" X 1") bars, inside my Aluminum cabanes. I would have liked a steel tube better, but wanted a lot of internal tube-to-bar contact and less weight than a solid steel square bar. I would not want to use hardwood, even if it is probably safe. Read the post today about turbulence in OK, etc., and concerns for integral construction. Call me foolish, but I don't even like drilling through the longerons, and have not except where absolutely necessary. Those spots where drilled at least have two fasteners doing the job and sharing the load-- motor mounts, LG come to mind. I respect the opinions of those who will support hardwood inserts and will show the strength of wood, etc. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Apr 28, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum strut insert material Since the cabane struts are held onto the fuselage with spruce and the steel fittings, I am wondering if a hard wood, (oak, ash...) would work as an insert for the aluminum strut itself. The struts I am using have a 3/4" flat machined inside the entire length for the insert. Most use aluminum or steel inserts, but since the fittings themselves are bolted to spruce, curious if a hard wood would be fine up inside the strut.


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    Time: 07:31:39 PM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: corrosion prevention
    My DAR scoffed at my concerns about steel-to-aluminum contact. He told me he would worry, as I knew, about aluminum to copper, zinc (galvanized) to aluminum or copper, but not steel to aluminum. Unpainted and unanodized aluminum will often corrode over time, getting pitted. No doubt some of the harder alloys we use on planes are less prone to this. And of course we know about 4130 steel and its tendencies to corrode. Etching primers are a good place to begin. I'd like to hear others solve your problem. I am not there yet. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com> >Sent: Apr 29, 2010 9:18 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: corrosion prevention > > >I am about ready to fabricate my Jury struts on my project. It has the extruded aluminum struts.and I am not sure whether I will make steel wraps to go around them with tabs to bolt them to or whether I'll make simple L type brackets and pop rivet them to the top surface and bolt to those like my Challenger and other light aircraft designs use. I don't think a couple of rivet holes in one side for 5/32" rivets would weaken them much at all. if I use the wraps I'm thinking I should use some type of tape to protect from corrosion between the aluminum and steel.probably some polyethylene tape like i have used on natural gas pipe buried underground. any thoughts here as to what might work better? if I did the tab I'd make it from 4130 strap with several coats of aircraft primer on the surface between the aluminum but it would still be steel against aluminum. Raymond > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296253#296253 > >


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    Time: 07:53:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gettin' in
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    A lot of common sense works wonders , entering the front or rear, helping the girls is a plus, and since I passed 80's a couple years ago, it takes a bit more effort, DO NOT use the exit method I used with Douwe's Piet, although it was quick, release the safety belt and wa-la your out much quicker than the entry, Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296259#296259


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    Time: 08:39:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: construction and glue
    From: "dgaldrich" <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
    The reference you may be looking for is 43-13 1b, Chap 1. It cautions against sanding glue joints but I suspect that the caution is based on the non-epoxy glue technologies that need a tighter fit. The chapter does suggest that any joint that passes the strength test is adequate. If the sanded epoxy joint fails within the wood and not the glue line, it would seem you're good to go. The chapter is relatively short and a worthwhile read. Dave Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296261#296261


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    Time: 09:09:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A-65 still for sale
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    That's a deal and a half. Almost makes me wish I didn't have my engine. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296262#296262


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    Time: 09:18:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A-65 still for sale
    From: "flea" <jimgriggs@yahoo.com>
    Makes me wish I had two thousand dollars [Crying or Very sad] Do not archive. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296265#296265




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