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1. 12:37 AM - Re: Re: construction and glue (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: construction and glue (Ameet Savant)
3. 04:36 AM - Re: Aluminum strut insert material (Michael Perez)
4. 04:36 AM - Re: Large reg numbers and more (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:18 AM - Re: Large reg numbers and more (womenfly2)
6. 05:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? (womenfly2)
7. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: construction and glue (greg menoche)
8. 06:53 AM - Re: More ribs????? (Gary Boothe)
9. 06:54 AM - Re: Added new pictures to the web site (Gary Boothe)
10. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? (Jack Phillips)
11. 10:33 AM - Re: Re: Gettin' in (Jim)
12. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: construction and glue (Ben Charvet)
13. 10:56 AM - Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? (womenfly2)
14. 11:26 AM - Re: construction and glue (Bill Church)
15. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: construction and glue (Rick Holland)
16. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee (walt evans)
17. 04:23 PM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 04:36 PM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Tim Willis)
19. 04:39 PM - Re: construction and glue (helspersew@aol.com)
20. 04:40 PM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Ben Charvet)
21. 06:05 PM - Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? (dgaldrich)
22. 06:31 PM - Re: construction and glue (Dan Yocum)
23. 06:46 PM - Re: construction and glue (Ryan Mueller)
24. 07:30 PM - Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes (Clif Dawson)
25. 07:30 PM - Re: Low level flying (Kip and Beth Gardner)
26. 07:40 PM - Re: Re: construction and glue (Clif Dawson)
27. 07:47 PM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Clif Dawson)
28. 08:00 PM - Re: construction and glue (Chris)
29. 08:07 PM - Re: First Passenger Ride today! (Ryan Mueller)
30. 09:04 PM - Any piet people in Boise? (kevinpurtee)
31. 09:14 PM - Re: construction and glue (Rick Holland)
32. 09:22 PM - Re: Any piet people in Boise? (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: construction and glue |
Sanding does fill the pores with useless debrie thus blocking
the entry of glue or epoxy. The recommended method is
scraping with a cabinet scraper. Using and sharpening these
is not that difficult. Once learned I guarantee you'll be
using the things for everything. The shhhhh... of the blade,
the satisfying curl of infinitely thin shavings, THIS is what
woodcrafting is all about!
http://woodgears.ca/scraper/index.html
http://www.finewoodworking.com/pages/w00007.asp
These are my alltime favourites. I use them every chance
I get;
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32672&cat=1,310,41069
>
> The reference you may be looking for is 43-13 1b, Chap 1. It cautions
> against sanding glue joints but I suspect that the caution is based on the
> non-epoxy glue technologies that need a tighter fit. >
> Dave
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| Subject: | Re: construction and glue |
IMHO the strength provided by the gussets far out weigh any loss due to
sanding the glue joint. If you are worried about the sanding clogging the
pores, clean the joint very well before gluing.
I've researched why wood airframe construction does not use traditional
joinery, which claims to have some of the strongest joints but haven't found
any conclusive answers. In my mind the only reasons seem to be:
1. The small size of the truss members can't really sustain any kind of
cross-section reduction (like in traditional joinery), which could cause
localized stress points and
2. the plywood gussets provide the real strength.
Also, in due time skill level improves enough that one often realizes that
sanding to fit is nothing but overhead!
Ameet
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum strut insert material |
Thank you Tim.
--- On Thu, 4/29/10, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum strut insert material
et>
I am using Aluminum-- alloy is 6064-T-6, 1 inch (1" X 1") bars, inside my A
luminum cabanes.- I would have liked a steel tube better, but wanted a lo
t of internal tube-to-bar contact and less weight than a solid steel square
bar.-
I would not want to use hardwood, even if it is probably safe.- Read the
post today about turbulence in OK, etc., and concerns for integral construc
tion.-
Call me foolish, but I don't even like drilling through the longerons, and
have not except where absolutely necessary.- Those spots where drilled at
least have two fasteners doing the job and sharing the load-- motor mounts
, LG come to mind.
I respect the opinions of those who will support hardwood inserts and will
show the strength of wood, etc.
Tim in central TX-
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 6:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum strut insert material
Since the cabane struts are held onto the fuselage with spruce and the stee
l fittings, I am wondering if a hard wood, (oak, ash...) would work as an i
nsert for the aluminum strut itself.- The struts I am using have a 3/4" f
lat machined inside the entire length for the insert. Most use aluminum or
steel inserts, but since the fittings themselves are bolted to spruce, curi
ous if a hard wood would be fine up inside the strut.
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Large reg numbers and more |
I wonder if DAR's are more anal than if you just have the Fed's come over.
I am going with the Feds'.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers and more
#1 and #2 are correct. #3 may not be correct. The data plate on NX18235 wa
s mounted in the rear cockpit and the DAR insisted that a metal plate with
make, model and serial # be mounted on the aft fuselage by the tail.
Greg C.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.n
et>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers and more
ink.net>
>
> Maybe you fellows have been saying the same thing, but it looks to me li
ke > on a Piet or such an iteration of an older design:
>
> 1. only the 2 inch numbers on the tail are needed.
> 2 you can use an "NX" number, and if so, that "experimental" does not >
have to appear on the plane.
> 3. since fabric-covered, the registration PLATE does not have to be on
the > fuselage near the tail, but can be in the front cockpit or the like
.
>
> Are these the right conclusions? I know I have seen a lot of such > impl
ementations.
> Tim in central TX
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Apr 29, 2010 9:10 AM
>>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Large reg numbers
>>
earthlink.net>
>>
>>As long as you are displaying your correct "N" number in minimum 2" >>le
tters
>>on the tail, you can paint whatever series of letters or numbers whever
>>you
>>want on the airframe, as long as a series of numbers doesn't start with
>>the
>>letter "N".
>>
>>My reg # is N799B (NX799B, thank you very much!) but I just painted "799
" >>on
>>the wings 'cause it felt nostalgic, and doesn't give more info to the
>>general public than necessary, and is perfectly legal.
>>
>>Douwe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Large reg numbers and more |
2" numbers are approved and can be placed under the tail if you so desire. NX does
eliminate the lettering "Experiment" on the machine.
FYI,
I was told that the data plate had to be Stainless Steel with stamped or etched
letters, just the information you fill-in. The explanation was that it needed
to survive a fire and so it still can be read. It was also state the data plate
be placed on the exterior of the plane, recommend to be mounted on the cowling,
so I did.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296283#296283
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? |
I have rebuild some UPF-7 wings and others glued with Weldwood glue. A chisel between
the plywood gusset plate and cap strips just popped them off clean! Only
the brads held them in-place. This was a legal airworthy machine too!
Most builders today use T-88 or similar glue which have a very longer life span.
I would say that a epoxied glued machine would well out last a Weldwood glue
machine.
Just my 2 cents.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296284#296284
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| Subject: | Re: construction and glue |
Cliff, I'm just getting ready to begin cutting gussets for my ribs then glue.
Are you using the shapers to prep the area prior to glueing or is this tool used
to clean and prepare the gusset area that HAD once been glued? Greg Menoche
DE
-----Original Message-----
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Apr 30, 2010 3:37 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: construction and glue
>
>
>Sanding does fill the pores with useless debrie thus blocking
>the entry of glue or epoxy. The recommended method is
>scraping with a cabinet scraper. Using and sharpening these
>is not that difficult. Once learned I guarantee you'll be
>using the things for everything. The shhhhh... of the blade,
>the satisfying curl of infinitely thin shavings, THIS is what
>woodcrafting is all about!
>
>http://woodgears.ca/scraper/index.html
>
>http://www.finewoodworking.com/pages/w00007.asp
>
>These are my alltime favourites. I use them every chance
>I get;
>http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32672&cat=1,310,41069
>
>
>>
>> The reference you may be looking for is 43-13 1b, Chap 1. It cautions
>> against sanding glue joints but I suspect that the caution is based on the
>> non-epoxy glue technologies that need a tighter fit. >
>> Dave
>
>
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Jim,
The timing sounds perfect, and the West Coast Pieters will be CRUSHED if you don't
attend our shin-dig! Furthermore, Modesto is about 2 hours from Cool. Thats
a bit of a trek, but it would be great to see you on my front steps...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: More ribs?????
I would sure come...to that California Piet gathering that is....IF I knew there
were more ribs on the way...
(That sounded funny to me when I was just "thinking it" but after typing it...dumb....)
Anyway....they just scheduled me for a job in Modesto the week before the big event
(June 5)...I'm REALLY looking forward to bringing my camera and staying over
a day to pester everyone....
Wow, I just might get TWO Piet gatherings this year! :-)
jm....just about to remove my Model A so I can clean/repaint it. The guy that
built it did a fantastic mechanical job....but it ain't purty! :-) I have to
step up a bit before I can show up along all these museum quality Air Campers
I keep seeing!!!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim <jimboyer@hughes.net>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2010 11:58 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
>
>
>
>Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they will
come?
>Jim
>
>Jim Boyer
>Santa Rosa, CA
>Pietenpol on wheels
>Tail surfaces done
>Wing ribs done
>Corvair engine
>
>
>On Apr 27, 2010, Chris <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>Gary and Jim,
>
>It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out
>of the corn field.
>
>Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in
>Auburn Lake......
>
>Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If
>I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how
>much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that
>is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib
>building party.
>
>Chris
>Sacramento, Ca
>Westcoastpiet.com
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
>
>--> <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
>I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but,
>ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go....
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, CA
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>18 ribs done
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
>
>
>
>Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of
>wings (?).
>Jim
>
>Jim Boyer
>Santa Rosa, CA
>Pietenpol on wheels
>Tail surfaces done
>Wing ribs done
>Corvair engine
>
>
>On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>Add some ribs and I'll be happy!
>
>Gary
>------Original Message------
>From: Chris Tracy
>Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
>Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM
>
>
>I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website.
>
>There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee
>http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm
>
>Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures.
>
>Also added a page listing updates.
>
>http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm
>
>I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his
>engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days.
>
>I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up.
>
>Chris
>Sacramento, Ca
>Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>
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| Subject: | Added new pictures to the web site |
I knew it!...thought I was losing my mind....again...
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
What Gary doesn't know is that he's actually built about 48 ribs so far.
Unbeknownst to him, I have hired the local Cool Cat Burglary Club to
break into his shop on a regular basis and steal one rib at a time,
keeping his total count to 18. In a few months I'll have the club put
them all back again and he'll have enough for 2 wings!
;-)
Dan
do not archive
On 04/28/2010 10:58 AM, Jim wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim<jimboyer@hughes.net>
>
>
> Maybe thats how Gary will get his ribs done; built it (the rib jig) and they
will come?
> Jim
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Pietenpol on wheels
> Tail surfaces done
> Wing ribs done
> Corvair engine
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2010, Chris<catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris"<catdesigns@att.net>
>
> Gary and Jim,
>
> It's like that movie, I built the page am now just maybe they will come out
> of the corn field.
>
> Or think of it as bait. Maybe you'll catch some ribs swimming around in
> Auburn Lake......
>
> Finish those ribs Gary. You will enjoy building the wings. I know I am. If
> I was closer to Douwe I would rebuld his wings in a heart beat. That's how
> much fun it is. I hate building wing ribs but assembling the wing, now that
> is way cool. You should bring your rib jig down and we can have a wing rib
> building party.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:55 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe"
> --> <gboothe5@comcast.net>
>
> I was hoping so! I was going to drive to his house and claim my wings, but,
> ALAS, not even a picture of a rib! Still 12 ribs to go....
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 18 ribs done
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jim<jimboyer@hughes.net>
>
>
> Gary it sounds like Chris is enhancing your pictures by adding pictures of
> wings (?).
> Jim
>
> Jim Boyer
> Santa Rosa, CA
> Pietenpol on wheels
> Tail surfaces done
> Wing ribs done
> Corvair engine
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2010, gboothe5@comcast.net wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: gboothe5@comcast.net
>
> Add some ribs and I'll be happy!
>
> Gary
> ------Original Message------
> From: Chris Tracy
> Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Added new pictures to the web site
> Sent: Apr 27, 2010 6:48 AM
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris"<catdesigns@att.net>
>
> I have finally got the new computer talking to the old website.
>
> There is a new page of pictures sent in by from Kevin Purtee
> http://westcoastpiet.com/kevin_purtee__nx899kp.htm
>
> Sorry it took so long Kevin and thanks for the pictures.
>
> Also added a page listing updates.
>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/what's_new.htm
>
> I just noticed I messed up Gary's link because I added pictures to his
> engine, wing and fuselage pages. I'll fix it one of these days.
>
> I will try to add a few more each until I get caught up.
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> Do not archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? |
Be careful when you just say "Weldwood". That is a brand name, currently
owned by DAP. The name Weldwood is appiled to their plastic resin glue,
their contact cement, and their resorcinol glue.
I suspect you were referring to plastic resin glue, which has been shown to
be less than desirable (if I recall correctly, that is the glue that Douwe's
ribs were built with, which were found to pop off gussets at the woodworking
tent at SNF this year. Douwe did not build those ribs, but bought a project
and now has found he has much more of a project ahead).
Weldwood resorcinol glue is excellent, and is in fact the ONLY glue the FAA
will accept for repairs of certificated wooden airplanes. I built most of
my Pietenpol with resorcinol (T-88 for the remainder), and had no problems
as long as it was done within the specified paramters.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of womenfly2
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take?
I have rebuild some UPF-7 wings and others glued with Weldwood glue. A
chisel between the plywood gusset plate and cap strips just popped them off
clean! Only the brads held them in-place. This was a legal airworthy machine
too!
Most builders today use T-88 or similar glue which have a very longer life
span. I would say that a epoxied glued machine would well out last a
Weldwood glue machine.
Just my 2 cents.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296284#296284
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Hi Ben,
I have put a step on mine too as I need it. I am where you will be in 17 years.
The step really makes it easy. I also put a door in the front for my wife.
Cheers,
Jim B.
Jim Boyer
Santa Rosa, CA
Pietenpol on wheels
Tail surfaces done
Wing ribs done
Corvair engine
On Apr 29, 2010, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I watched a few videos about how to get in and tried to get my wife in that way.
She's not as flexible as she used to be due to some back surgery. I put a cross
bar a few inches down from the top of my landing gear legs (split gear). The
cross bar can be used as a step. She grabs the cabanes, puts her right foot
on the cross-bar step, then leans back to get her left leg inside the cockpit.
From there she puts her head through the left side and pulls her right leg in.
Practice is probably the key here, but she came up with this proceedure on
her own.
I put a nice retractable step even with the front of the pilot's seat on the right
side. After the airplane was complete, I find it easy to stand a little bit
aft of the cockpit and throw my left leg up and over, then climbing in from
there. In 27 hours of flight I haven't used the step yet. I'm only 55 yo now,
and figure 20 years from now that step might come in handy.
Ben
On 4/28/2010 2:27 PM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote:
I just saw another nice uTube video of how to get in the passenger's seat on a
wire wheel Piet. However I have never seen a video of how to get in the PILOT's
seat. I am trying to decide if I need to put in a step and, if so, where. Any
advice would be appreciated.StinemetzeN328X (to be)
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I had a nice disc/belt sander in my shop when I made my ribs. If I used
the disc sander to shape the pieces of the ribs, it would clog the end
with sap, etc and ended up not looking like it would take glue. I think
a little trimming with course sandpaper by hand should work OK. Don't
forget to scuff sand the gusset material before gluing it, to break
through any resin left on the surface.
Ben Charvet
On 4/30/2010 7:11 AM, Ameet Savant wrote:
> IMHO the strength provided by the gussets far out weigh any loss due
> to sanding the glue joint. If you are worried about the sanding
> clogging the pores, clean the joint very well before gluing.
>
> I've researched why wood airframe construction does not use
> traditional joinery, which claims to have some of the strongest joints
> but haven't found any conclusive answers. In my mind the only reasons
> seem to be:
>
> 1. The small size of the truss members can't really sustain any kind
> of cross-section reduction (like in traditional joinery), which could
> cause localized stress points and
> 2. the plywood gussets provide the real strength.
>
> Also, in due time skill level improves enough that one often realizes
> that sanding to fit is nothing but overhead!
>
> Ameet
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Yes, the wing was built with Weldwood resorcinol glue as the recorded logs showed.
We tried to rebuild with new WRG but could never make it pass the FAA boil
test? We had approval to rebuild with T-88.
A good read; http://rgl.faa.gov/REGULATORY_AND_GUIDANCE_LIBRARY/RGADVISORYCIRCULAR.NSF/0/99c827db9baac81b86256b4500596c4e/$FILE/Chapter%2001.pdf
Remember: any glue formula is subject to change without customer notification.
Just my experience.
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Greg,
When I built my ribs, I used a stationary disc sander to miter all the ends of
my 1/4" x 1/2" rib bits. These are the ends that butt up against the top and bottom
capstrips, and although I did put a dab of glue on the ends, there is negligible
strength in that glue joint (I did it to ensure that the ends were sealed).
Don't trust a glued butt joint where your butt is on the line. As others
have said, it is the gusseted joint that really carries the load. As for the
gussets, they are made of plywood, and sometimes the face of plywood can have
a "glaze" that inhibits the absorption of glue into the wood fibers. It is considered
good practice to lightly sand (with a coarser grade of sandpaper - maybe
80 or 100 grit) the bonding face of plywood that is going to be glued, to
"scuff' the surface and improve adhesion. Just use a vacuum cleaner to remove
the fine wood dust before bonding, and you'll be fine. Now, here's the real "tip".
Do the sanding of the plywood BEFORE you cut up all the tiny little gussets.
That way you scuff up a larger area, which is MUCH easier to handle than several
hundred itty bitty rotten little stinking bits of plywood that are too
small to hold on to. If you have one, you can use an electric palm sander to make
the job a little easier.
Bill C.
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Good point about the plywood Bill. My fingernails has still not grown back
from holding all those little 1/16" pieces of plywood on the belt sander.
rick
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>wrote:
> billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Greg,
> When I built my ribs, I used a stationary disc sander to miter all the ends
> of my 1/4" x 1/2" rib bits. These are the ends that butt up against the top
> and bottom capstrips, and although I did put a dab of glue on the ends,
> there is negligible strength in that glue joint (I did it to ensure that the
> ends were sealed). Don't trust a glued butt joint where your butt is on the
> line. As others have said, it is the gusseted joint that really carries the
> load. As for the gussets, they are made of plywood, and sometimes the face
> of plywood can have a "glaze" that inhibits the absorption of glue into the
> wood fibers. It is considered good practice to lightly sand (with a coarser
> grade of sandpaper - maybe 80 or 100 grit) the bonding face of plywood that
> is going to be glued, to "scuff' the surface and improve adhesion. Just use
> a vacuum cleaner to remove the fine wood dust before bonding, and you'll be
> fine. Now, here's the real "tip". Do the sanding of the plywood BEFORE you
> cut up!
> all the tiny little gussets. That way you scuff up a larger area, which is
> MUCH easier to handle than several hundred itty bitty rotten little stinking
> bits of plywood that are too small to hold on to. If you have one, you can
> use an electric palm sander to make the job a little easier.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296312#296312
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>
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No, I wanted it archived.
But thanks for caring
walt evans
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From: John Recine
To: Pietenpol builders Board
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
Hmmm you think Walt wanted his parting shot archived? He didn't say do
not archive at the end maybe he just plain forgot? I sure wish he's not
gone or angry he just didn't say. Certainly a conundrum of curiosity and
idle chatter hmmmm curious.
Do not archive
John
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:24:56 -0400
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
Wow, apparently nobody is listening to the rules.
Put "do not archive" at the end of your posts if it's just idle
chatter.
Or the archives are over run with stuff.
Everyone wants to talk, but nobody wants to listen. (that used to be a
big problem with engineers).
Got no use for non listeners.
PS I'm gone from the group.
Goodbye!
if you want me offline,,,,
waltdak@verizon.net.
"Nobody ever learned anything from talking" (think about it)
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: walt evans
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: questions for Kevin Purtee
Guys, If its just Idle chatter, and not fit to be stored in the
archives,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Put,,,,,,,"do not archive",,, in the the messege,
somewhere,,anywhere.
thanks
walt evans
NX140DL
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<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Hi Oscar - I've been told on several occasions that it "sounds
good." I've never been told "it's quiet."
It wheel lands a lot better than it 3 point lands. That may have
a lot to do with the big tires. I can verify that in 90+ hours and ~350
landings the stick has never been completely back on touchdown.
I'm going to try to make it to Kingsbury on May 8th. Hope to see
you there if you can swing it.
Kevin
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Just think about Charles Lindbergh. He had NO forward vision whatsoever.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today!
Sounds like a great time Ben. You think a passenger head in your way on la
nding is distracting, think what it's like landing with one of those big
fat Model A radiators in your face.
rick
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te:
It is a beautiful day here in Florida today. I hadn't flown the Piet in
a week and a half because its been so windy. This morning I went up and
did 3 landings, and the winds still weren't too bad. Called my wife and
had her come out to the airport for her first ride. I hadn't flown a pas
senger in about 15 years. We flew down the Indian River, up to New Smyrna
Beach, my typical flight. Visibility was about 30 miles under clear skie
s. It was just really cool to be able to share the experience with her.
She got a kick out of the pre-flight briefing about how this is a homebu
ilt aircraft, built by an amateur, etc.... My intercom was turned off whe
n I got ready to land, and I didn't know to remind her to move her head to
one side. This was my first landing not being able to just look ahead fo
r the runway centerline. I had about a 9 kt wind 40 degrees off the runwa
y heading, but managed to do a nice one wheel landing on the upwind wheel,
and Carol's response was "Awesome". It doesn't get much better than this
, guys. Hope to post some pictures later.
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But he only had one takeoff and landing every 33 or more hours.
Tim in central TX
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Sent: Apr 30, 2010 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today!
Just think about Charles Lindbergh. He had NO forward vision whatsoever.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today!
Sounds like a great time Ben. You think a passenger head in your way on landing
is distracting, think what it's like landing with one of those big fat Model
A radiators in your face.
rick
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
It is a beautiful day here in Florida today. I hadn't flown the Piet in a week
and a half because its been so windy. This morning I went up and did 3 landings,
and the winds still weren't too bad. Called my wife and had her come out
to the airport for her first ride. I hadn't flown a passenger in about 15 years.
We flew down the Indian River, up to New Smyrna Beach, my typical flight.
Visibility was about 30 miles under clear skies. It was just really cool to
be able to share the experience with her. She got a kick out of the pre-flight
briefing about how this is a homebuilt aircraft, built by an amateur, etc....
My intercom was turned off when I got ready to land, and I didn't know to
remind her to move her head to one side. This was my first landing not being
able to just look ahead for the runway centerline. I had about a 9 kt wind 40
degrees off the runway heading, but managed to do a nice one wheel landing on
the upwind wheel, and Carol's response was "Awesome". It doesn't get much better
than this, guys. Hope to post some pictures later.
Ben Charvet
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Hi Steve,
Personally I would not be too worried about sanding the ends of the rib pi
eces to fit the jig. The strength of the rib is mostly going to be derived
from the face of the gusset against the side of the rib stick members. Th
ose surfaces are typically not sanded.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: schuerrman <sdschuerr@live.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not recommen
ded,
o do you start with the larger pieces and just keep trying, trimming to sm
aller
ieces until you get it right? Has anyone had excellent results with sandi
ng to
it? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm thisc
lose
o starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting clean.
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But it was at night....
Ben
Do not archive
On 4/30/2010 7:35 PM, Tim Willis wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis<timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> But he only had one takeoff and landing every 33 or more hours.
> Tim in central TX
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Apr 30, 2010 7:22 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today!
>
>
> Just think about Charles Lindbergh. He had NO forward vision whatsoever.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Holland<at7000ft@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, Apr 28, 2010 3:30 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First Passenger Ride today!
>
>
> Sounds like a great time Ben. You think a passenger head in your way on landing
is distracting, think what it's like landing with one of those big fat Model
A radiators in your face.
>
> rick
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Ben Charvet<bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ben Charvet<bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
>
> It is a beautiful day here in Florida today. I hadn't flown the Piet in a week
and a half because its been so windy. This morning I went up and did 3 landings,
and the winds still weren't too bad. Called my wife and had her come out
to the airport for her first ride. I hadn't flown a passenger in about 15
years. We flew down the Indian River, up to New Smyrna Beach, my typical flight.
Visibility was about 30 miles under clear skies. It was just really cool
to be able to share the experience with her. She got a kick out of the pre-flight
briefing about how this is a homebuilt aircraft, built by an amateur, etc....
My intercom was turned off when I got ready to land, and I didn't know
to remind her to move her head to one side. This was my first landing not being
able to just look ahead for the runway centerline. I had about a 9 kt wind
40 degrees off the runway heading, but managed to do a nice one wheel landing
on the upwind wheel, and Carol's response was "Awesom!
> e". It doesn't get much better than this, guys. Hope to post some pictures
later.
>
> Ben Charvet
> NX866BC
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Yes Jack, you remembered correctly about Douwe's Piet. His ribs exhibited the
same issues as Carrie's UPF-7. A sharp knife would separate the gussets. Several
of us took a critical look at both his wing and rudder at SnF. The rudder
seemed to be assembled with the same kind of glue as the ribs BUT you couldn't
pry the plywood gussets off it with a jackhammer. We tried to take them off
and they exhibited the correct characteristics---the wood failed and the glue
was still there. The question unanswered was why the different behavior. Two
conjectures were reasonable -- 1) The glue was prepared/applied incorrectly
(temperature, clamping pressure, mixture, etc.) and 2) the wood was prepared
differently. This leads up to the discussion of sanding plywood as a prep for
glue. Also the plywood rib gussets may have had some wax on them from the production
process (they were thinner stock) that wasn't removed or was of different
wood. The whole episode actually raised more questions than answers.
Dave
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Dan,
Did you leave the ends of the cross-pieces square? I seem to remember
reading in a Bingelis book that it's OK to not mitre fit the ends of the
rib cross-pieces square, but I can't seem to find that passage, now.
On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a
1/2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets
screwed/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this
piece instead of spruce or doug fir?
Thanks,
Dan
On 04/30/2010 06:39 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Personally I would not be too worried about sanding the ends of the rib
> pieces to fit the jig. The strength of the rib is mostly going to be
> derived from the face of the gusset against the side of the rib stick
> members. Those surfaces are typically not sanded.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: schuerrman <sdschuerr@live.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "schuerrman"<sdschuerr@live.com <mailto:sdschuerr@live.com>>
>
> I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not recommended,
> so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep trying, trimming to smaller
> pieces until you get it right? Has anyone had excellent results with sanding
to
> fit? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm thisclose
> to starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting clean. I'm
> finally on the move.
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296210#296210
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Courtesy of Tony B
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> Did you leave the ends of the cross-pieces square? I seem to remember
> reading in a Bingelis book that it's OK to not mitre fit the ends of the rib
> cross-pieces square, but I can't seem to find that passage, now.
>
> On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a
> 1/2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets
> screwed/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this piece
> instead of spruce or doug fir?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> On 04/30/2010 06:39 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>> Personally I would not be too worried about sanding the ends of the rib
>> pieces to fit the jig. The strength of the rib is mostly going to be
>> derived from the face of the gusset against the side of the rib stick
>> members. Those surfaces are typically not sanded.
>> Dan Helsper
>> Poplar Grove, IL.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: schuerrman <sdschuerr@live.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59 pm
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
>>
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "schuerrman"<sdschuerr@live.com <mailto:
>> sdschuerr@live.com>>
>>
>> I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not
>> recommended,
>> so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep trying, trimming to
>> smaller
>> pieces until you get it right? Has anyone had excellent results with
>> sanding to
>> fit? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm
>> thisclose
>> to starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting clean.
>> I'm
>> finally on the move.
>>
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> Dan Yocum
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> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: checking for deer on the runway/ groundhog holes |
It's mine. If you look closely you can see my signature at the bottom
of the fence line between the cows.
Clif
> I love the pic though, obviously a Model A Piet. Is that from our
> site? If so, I missed it previously.
> Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: Low level flying |
Hmmm....
Who was that masked man?
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Kip Gardner
On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC
Aerospace Corporation] wrote:
> [ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>
> There are some really, really cool apple orchards somewhere to the
> west/ northwest of Brodhead's
> Airport and some pilot I know accidentally found them and started
> flying between the rows
> that criss-crossed like a checkerboard on somewhat hilly terrain on
> the deck. Of course this guy pictured
> himself being chased by Ernst Kessler in the Hurricane Wood. Boy
> that pilot said those orchards
> were great fun.
>
> Mike C.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: construction and glue |
Both. They work well cleaning off old glue. If it's lumpy I would start
carefully
with a file to get it close to the wood, and flat. Then finish off with a
scraper.
Clif
> Cliff, I'm just getting ready to begin cutting gussets for my ribs then
> glue. Are you using the shapers to prep the area prior to glueing or is
> this tool used to clean and prepare the gusset area that HAD once been
> glued? Greg Menoche DE
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| Subject: | Re: First Passenger Ride today! |
Oh no! does this mean I have to have a periscope too!
Clif
Just think about Charles Lindbergh. He had NO forward vision
whatsoever.
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | construction and glue |
Dan Asked
"On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a
1/2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets
screwed/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this piece
instead of spruce or doug fir?
Thanks,
Dan"
Dan,
I simply stacked two pieces of the 1/4"x1/2" spruce to make the 1/2"x1/2".
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
Dan,
Did you leave the ends of the cross-pieces square? I seem to remember
reading in a Bingelis book that it's OK to not mitre fit the ends of the rib
cross-pieces square, but I can't seem to find that passage, now.
On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a
1/2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets
screwed/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this piece
instead of spruce or doug fir?
Thanks,
Dan
On 04/30/2010 06:39 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Personally I would not be too worried about sanding the ends of the
> rib pieces to fit the jig. The strength of the rib is mostly going to
> be derived from the face of the gusset against the side of the rib
> stick members. Those surfaces are typically not sanded.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: schuerrman <sdschuerr@live.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
>
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "schuerrman"<sdschuerr@live.com
> --> <mailto:sdschuerr@live.com>>
>
> I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not
> recommended, so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep
> trying, trimming to smaller pieces until you get it right? Has anyone had
excellent results with sanding to
> fit? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm
thisclose
> to starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting
> clean. I'm finally on the move.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296210#296210
>
>
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Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind
from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: First Passenger Ride today! |
No...you only have to ask: WWWPD
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On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Oh no! does this mean I have to have a periscope too!
>
> Clif
>
> Just think about Charles Lindbergh. He had NO forward vision whatsoever.
> Dan Helsper
>
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| Subject: | Any piet people in Boise? |
I'm here for annual training with no transportation. May have a little free time,
though. Would enjoy visiting anyone's project/plane. I'm living on the south
side of the airport. I'd happily buy dinner for anyone willing to rescue
me for a few hours. Please call!
Thanks,
Kevin Purtee
NX899KP
512-422-6371
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: construction and glue |
Or rip a Home Depot hand rail (as recommended by Mr. Cuy in the archives).
rick
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Chris <catdesigns@att.net> wrote:
>
> Dan Asked
> "On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a
> 1/2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets
> screwed/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this piece
> instead of spruce or doug fir?
> Thanks,
> Dan"
>
>
> Dan,
>
> I simply stacked two pieces of the 1/4"x1/2" spruce to make the 1/2"x1/2".
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:31 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Did you leave the ends of the cross-pieces square? I seem to remember
> reading in a Bingelis book that it's OK to not mitre fit the ends of the
> rib
> cross-pieces square, but I can't seem to find that passage, now.
>
> On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a
> 1/2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets
> screwed/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this piece
> instead of spruce or doug fir?
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
>
> On 04/30/2010 06:39 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> > Hi Steve,
> > Personally I would not be too worried about sanding the ends of the
> > rib pieces to fit the jig. The strength of the rib is mostly going to
> > be derived from the face of the gusset against the side of the rib
> > stick members. Those surfaces are typically not sanded.
> > Dan Helsper
> > Poplar Grove, IL.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: schuerrman <sdschuerr@live.com>
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 5:59 pm
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
> >
> > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "schuerrman"<sdschuerr@live.com
> > --> <mailto:sdschuerr@live.com>>
> >
> > I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not
> > recommended, so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep
> > trying, trimming to smaller pieces until you get it right? Has anyone
> had
> excellent results with sanding to
> > fit? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm
> thisclose
> > to starting, except I really need a board planer. Engine's getting
> > clean. I'm finally on the move.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296210#296210
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ===================================
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> > ===================================
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> > ===================================
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> >
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> >
> >
> > *
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my
> mind
> from the tyranny of petty things."
>
>
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Any piet people in Boise? |
Somebody come visit the man. Been there, done that....bring him a Piet! :)
Ryan
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:04 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> I'm here for annual training with no transportation. May have a little
> free time, though. Would enjoy visiting anyone's project/plane. I'm living
> on the south side of the airport. I'd happily buy dinner for anyone willing
> to rescue me for a few hours. Please call!
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin Purtee
> NX899KP
> 512-422-6371
>
> do not archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296356#296356
>
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