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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: construction and glue (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 09:55 AM - Metal pieces for wooden landing gear (jeff wilson)
4. 10:18 AM - Re: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear (Ryan Mueller)
5. 12:12 PM - Aluminum cabane insert material (Speedbrake)
6. 01:37 PM - Re: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear (Richard Schreiber)
7. 02:17 PM - motor mount dimensions? (John Egan)
8. 03:48 PM - Re: motor mount dimensions? (Jack Phillips)
9. 05:08 PM - Re: Large reg numbers and more (skellytown flyer)
10. 08:09 PM - Re: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear (Clif Dawson)
11. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:13 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take? |
Prop-carving expert and Guru Jerry Thornhill has used Weldwood Plastic Res
in Glue during all his years of prop building. I also used it on mine. The
advantage over T-88 is the lower viscosity and ability to spread easily
over a large area quickly.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:04 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol airframe how many hours can it take
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m>
Yes Jack, you remembered correctly about Douwe's Piet. His ribs exhibited
the
ame issues as Carrie's UPF-7. A sharp knife would separate the gussets.
everal of us took a critical look at both his wing and rudder at SnF. The
udder seemed to be assembled with the same kind of glue as the ribs BUT yo
u
ouldn't pry the plywood gussets off it with a jackhammer. We tried to tak
e
hem off and they exhibited the correct characteristics---the wood failed
and
he glue was still there. The question unanswered was why the different
ehavior. Two conjectures were reasonable -- 1) The glue was prepared/appl
ied
ncorrectly (temperature, clamping pressure, mixture, etc.) and 2) the wood
was
repared differently. This leads up to the discussion of sanding plywood
as a
rep for glue. Also the plywood rib gussets may have had some wax on them
from
he production process (they were thinner stock) that wasn't removed or was
of
ifferent wood. The whole episode actually raised more q!
uestions than answers.
Dave
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Subject: | Re: construction and glue |
Dan,
I would guess that it probably would be OK to square cut the rib sticks,
as long as there was plenty of gluing surface on the gussets. As far as
that 1/2 x 1/2 nose piece goes, pine wouldn't scare me either. (not a rec
ommendation to buy or sell securities) :o)
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Fri, Apr 30, 2010 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue
Dan,
Did you leave the ends of the cross-pieces square? I seem to remember read
ing in a Bingelis book that it's OK to not mitre fit the ends of the rib
cross-pieces square, but I can't seem to find that passage, now.
On a similar note, looking at the full size rib drawing, it calls for a 1/
2"x1/2" piece for the nose of the rib - the piece that the LE gets screwed
/glued to. Is it OK to use something like white pine for this piece instea
d of spruce or doug fir?
Thanks,
Dan
On 04/30/2010 06:39 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Personally I would not be too worried about sanding the ends of the rib
> pieces to fit the jig. The strength of the rib is mostly going to be
> derived from the face of the gusset against the side of the rib stick
> members. Those surfaces are typically not sanded.
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
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> I've made the rib jig, and I realize that sanding softwood is not recomm
ended,
> so do you start with the larger pieces and just keep trying, trimming to
smaller
> pieces until you get it right? Has anyone had excellent results with san
ding to
> fit? Glue arrived yesterday and gusset material arrived today. I'm thisc
lose
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Subject: | Metal pieces for wooden landing gear |
Hello Piet People,
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Who makes the Metal pieces for wooden landing gear.- There are a few peop
le out there who make various things for the Pietenpol. Can someone please
give me their names and contact info. Starting with metal fittings for the
wooden gear but also including wire wheels, hubs, and any other metal piece
s.- I'm just no good with metal.
Fuselage is reading to turn over and start fitting Gear.
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N899WT
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Subject: | Re: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear |
Hi Jeff,
Ken Perkins makes just about every piece of metal for a Piet, I believe.
I think he makes wire wheel hubs as well. I had a copy of his price
list, but of course now I can't find it. Here's his phone number, as
listed in the Winter '08 issue of the BPA newsletter: 913-764-6949.
Ryan
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On May 1, 2010, at 11:54 AM, jeff wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello Piet People,
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> Who makes the Metal pieces for wooden landing gear. There are a few
people out there who make various things for the Pietenpol. Can someone
please give me their names and contact info. Starting with metal
fittings for the wooden gear but also including wire wheels, hubs, and
any other metal pieces. I'm just no good with metal.
> Fuselage is reading to turn over and start fitting Gear.
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> Jeff Wilson
> N899WT
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Subject: | Aluminum cabane insert material |
I believe I have my posting woes fixed, so I am trying this again.
I am using aluminum cabanes and am curious if a hard wood, (oak/ash) would be suitable
for the inserts. I know most use some type of steel or aluminum, but since
the fittings attach to soft spruce and ply wood gussets on the fuselage end,
why not wood inside the cabanes?
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Subject: | Metal pieces for wooden landing gear |
Jeff:
As Ryan said, you should be able to get the hubs from Ken Perkins. The rest of the fittings for the straight axle wooden gear are a different story. Even if you could find some ready made fittings, trying to get them to fit your wooden gear layout would be a real chore. Here is a link on how to do the gear.... http://www.westcoastpiet.com/construction_of_wood_gear.htm
Once you get the wood legs done, then you can make the metal parts to fit.
Rick Schreiber
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From: jeff wilson
Sent: 5/1/2010 11:57:27 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear
Hello Piet People,
Who makes the Metal pieces for wooden landing gear. There are a few people out
there who make various things for the Pietenpol. Can someone please give me their
names and contact info. Starting with metal fittings for the wooden gear
but also including wire wheels, hubs, and any other metal pieces. I'm just no
good with metal.
Fuselage is reading to turn over and start fitting Gear.
Jeff Wilson
N899WT
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Subject: | motor mount dimensions? |
Builders,=0A=0AI am building a long fuselage Aircamper, straight axle gear
with wire wheels,-a J-3 fuel tank in the nose, and a 65 hp Continental en
gine with a wood prop.- =0A=0ADo you guys recall the length of your motor
mount, and would you share any weight and balance infomation? =0A=0AYes, I
'll complete-a real w&b before flight.=0AI realize no two are the same, h
owever I am interested in seeing the-data.=0AI see BHP's plans call out
- an 11-3/16" long mount.=0A=0Athanks all,=0A=0Ajohn egan=0AGreenville, W
I=0Aneed to make a motor mount=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | motor mount dimensions? |
John, I built my engine mount to BHP's plans for the A65 Continental. Here
is the W&B spreadsheet that I used. You can modify it to fit your own
dimentions and weights.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mount dimensions?
Builders,
I am building a long fuselage Aircamper, straight axle gear with wire
wheels, a J-3 fuel tank in the nose, and a 65 hp Continental engine with a
wood prop.
Do you guys recall the length of your motor mount, and would you share any
weight and balance infomation?
Yes, I'll complete a real w&b before flight.
I realize no two are the same, however I am interested in seeing the data.
I see BHP's plans call out an 11-3/16" long mount.
thanks all,
john egan
Greenville, WI
need to make a motor mount
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Subject: | Re: Large reg numbers and more |
Data plate on th cowling huh? have you got it inspected that way? I'm pretty sure
they normally want it on the outside at the tail. I have been wondering about
the statements that it is OK to use big numbers under the wings that are not
your N-numbers. if I read that right I am surprised the feds would approve that
one.but who knows. maybe I should put pipeline patrol under mine. I very seldom
fly 500 feet AGL-usually not over 150.course outside of upsetting a few
antelope- I try to stay away from towns and people too.I used to fly with my old
instructor when he had a pipeline patrol job and did a lot of the flying on
long runs from the Texas panhandle to Denver,into Kansas and home.he'd occasionally
ask me to fly a little higher when I started needing to pull up over power
lines.but then I like it down in the dirt.that old Skyhawk felt like it was
really moving.Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear |
This is how I did mine.
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html
Clif
PS-Don't look at the tailwheel. I've changed to one I bought
at Arlington and modified. Got to put it up sometime.
( Now where did I put that 29 hour clock! :-)
Here is a link on how to do the gear....
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/construction_of_wood_gear.htm
Once you get the wood legs done, then you can make the metal parts to
fit.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Pietenpol-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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