---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/02/10: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:12 AM - big numbers (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 07:44 AM - Re: construction and glue (Dan Yocum) 3. 09:27 AM - Re: Aluminum cabane insert material (Ed G.) 4. 12:41 PM - Aileron to Wing Gap (Chris) 5. 01:41 PM - Re: Aileron to Wing Gap (Jerry Dotson) 6. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap (Chris) 7. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap (Ben Charvet) 8. 06:06 PM - spar butt straps (Ken Chambers) 9. 06:22 PM - Re: spar butt straps (Ben Charvet) 10. 06:44 PM - Re: spar butt straps (Chris) 11. 07:05 PM - Re: spar butt straps (Jim Markle) 12. 07:14 PM - Re: Aileron to Wing Gap (K5YAC) 13. 07:30 PM - Re: spar butt straps (K5YAC) 14. 07:43 PM - Re: Aileron to Wing Gap (Jerry Dotson) 15. 07:49 PM - Re: spar butt straps (gcardinal) 16. 07:51 PM - Re: Re: spar butt straps (Ken Chambers) 17. 07:54 PM - Re: spar butt straps (Rick Holland) 18. 08:23 PM - Re: Aluminum cabane insert material (Clif Dawson) 19. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: spar butt straps (gcardinal) 20. 08:41 PM - Re: Re: spar butt straps (gcardinal) 21. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: spar butt straps (Chris) 22. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: spar butt straps (Rick Holland) 23. 09:22 PM - Re: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear (Chris) 24. 11:32 PM - Re: Re: spar butt straps (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:33 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: big numbers I agree, I couldn't believe it would be legal to put numbers other than the reg numbers on. I had read the regs and it stated clearly that you could paint whatever letters or numbers you wanted as long as it didn't start with the letter "N". I specifically asked him and he said my interpretation was correct, paint away! Who knew? Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:28 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: construction and glue Dan, Ryan, Chris, Thanks for the feedback and the Bingelis scan - that helped a lot. No way I'll be mitring each cross-brace now as long as the ends butt up against the capstrip and the adjoining cross-brace. Of course, after I sent the question about the white pine I recalled that I've got a small pile of one-by doug fir standing in the corner of the garage - left-overs from the trim jobs in the house. It's not aircraft grade, but for a 1/2" x 1/2" x 2" cross piece I'm sure it's sufficient. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:09 AM PST US From: "Ed G." Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum cabane insert material I haven't seen any replies to your question on wooden strut inserts so I'll give it a shot. I would be afraid of useing wood inserts because wood has a fairly low strength on short sections with the grain. There is only about 5/16" of material below the bolt hole on the bottom fitting (and above on the top fitting). With the loads and shock loads applied by the strut the b olt would pull out the small chunk of wood below the bolt along the grain l ines. They would be strong in compression but very weak in tension. I would n't make them out of wood. You would be much better off with metal inserts. Ed G. > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum cabane insert material > From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net > Date: Sat=2C 1 May 2010 12:12:09 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > net> > > I believe I have my posting woes fixed=2C so I am trying this again. > > I am using aluminum cabanes and am curious if a hard wood=2C (oak/ash) wo uld be suitable for the inserts. I know most use some type of steel or alum inum=2C but since the fittings attach to soft spruce and ply wood gussets o n the fuselage end=2C why not wood inside the cabanes? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296389#296389 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search=2C chat and e-mail from your inbox .. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:O N:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:51 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron to Wing Gap How wide should I make the gap at the end of the aileron between the wing and the aileron? You know the area between the two solid end plates? Does 3/8" sound correct? Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap From: "Jerry Dotson" I have been studying on the same thing as I will be building the ailerons this coming week. I will make mine the width of the folded piano hinge. Is that what you were referring to? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296500#296500 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00204_131.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:40 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap Jerry, What I am referring to is the end of the aileron where it abuts the wing panel parallel to the cord line. For the left wing it would be the right end of the aileron. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap I have been studying on the same thing as I will be building the ailerons this coming week. I will make mine the width of the folded piano hinge. Is that what you were referring to? -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296500#296500 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00204_131.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:25 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap I think I made mine 1/4 inch. You need to allow for the covering and paint on each side and still have enough gap. I ended up with about 1/8 inch when it was finished. You definitely don't want it too tight, but 3/8 would probably leave about 1/4 inch of gap on completion. Ben Charvet On 5/2/2010 6:03 PM, Chris wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris" > > Jerry, > > What I am referring to is the end of the aileron where it abuts the wing > panel parallel to the cord line. For the left wing it would be the right end > of the aileron. > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps From: Ken Chambers Working on the 16 center section spar butt straps for the 3-piece wing. My first metal fittings. I've read a lot of advice about making fittings longer. These center section straps don't poke out through the fabric and I can't see a reason to make them longer. What has everyone else done? Anyone made them to plans and had to do them over? I'm really slow so I'd like to avoid doing them over. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:04 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps These are some of the easier fittings to make, especially if you buy the steel in the width specified on the plans. I made my butt straps the same length as the plans. If you are planning to add dihedral, leave enough room for a gap between the wing spars and center section spars. I drilled the ones for the wing spars in a stack so they would be interchangable. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl On 5/2/2010 9:02 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > Working on the 16 center section spar butt straps for the 3-piece > wing. My first metal fittings. > > I've read a lot of advice about making fittings longer. These center > section straps don't poke out through the fabric and I can't see a > reason to make them longer. > > What has everyone else done? Anyone made them to plans and had to do > them over? I'm really slow so I'd like to avoid doing them over. > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:21 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps I made mine the length shown on the plans and they worked fine. The fittings that you might want to make longer are the ones that project away from the structure where something else bolts to it. On the center section fittings these would be the tabs that the brace wires attach to and the tabs ones that the vertical struts bolt to. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps Working on the 16 center section spar butt straps for the 3-piece wing. My first metal fittings. I've read a lot of advice about making fittings longer. These center section straps don't poke out through the fabric and I can't see a reason to make them longer. What has everyone else done? Anyone made them to plans and had to do them over? I'm really slow so I'd like to avoid doing them over. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:15 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps You might want to also check into the way Dale Johnson and Greg Cardinal did theirs. It eliminated the big gap and did the job nicely. If I was at the point you're NOW at...I would do it exactly the way they did it..... jm -----Original Message----- From: Ben Charvet Sent: May 2, 2010 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps These are some of the easier fittings to make, especially if you buy the steel in the width specified on the plans. I made my butt straps the same length as the plans. If you are planning to add dihedral, leave enough room for a gap between the wing spars and center section spars. I drilled the ones for the wing spars in a stack so they would be interchangable. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl On 5/2/2010 9:02 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: Working on the 16 center section spar butt straps for the 3-piece wing. My first metal fittings. I've read a lot of advice about making fittings longer. These center section straps don't poke out through the fabric and I can't see a reason to make them longer. What has everyone else done? Anyone made them to plans and had to do them over? I'm really slow so I'd like to avoid doing them over. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap From: "K5YAC" I made my gap 1/4" too, like Ben did. Looks like it should provide plenty of room for covering, paint, etc. -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296531#296531 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps From: "K5YAC" Is this what you are talking about Jim? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296533#296533 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0422_149.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron to Wing Gap From: "Jerry Dotson" Chris, Yeah what Ben said. I read but what you said it blew right by me. I will make mine 1/4" also. I ripped and fitted the 1/2" by 3" spars this afternoon. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 Ribs and tailfeathers done using Lycoming O-235 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296534#296534 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:25 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps We followed the KeriAnn Price plans..... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Markle" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps > > > You might want to also check into the way Dale Johnson and Greg Cardinal > did theirs. It eliminated the big gap and did the job nicely. If I was > at the point you're NOW at...I would do it exactly the way they did > it..... > > jm > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ben Charvet > > Sent: May 2, 2010 8:17 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps > > > These are some of the easier fittings to make, especially if you buy > the steel in the width specified on the plans. I made my butt straps > the same length as the plans. If you are planning to add dihedral, > leave enough room for a gap between the wing spars and center section > spars. I drilled the ones for the wing spars in a stack so they would > be interchangable. > > > Ben Charvet > > Mims, Fl > > > On 5/2/2010 9:02 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > > > Working on the 16 center section spar butt straps for the 3-piece wing. > My first metal fittings. > > > I've read a lot of advice about making fittings longer. These center > section straps don't poke out through the fabric and I can't see a > reason to make them longer. > > > What has everyone else done? Anyone made them to plans and had to do > them over? I'm really slow so I'd like to avoid doing them over. > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps From: Ken Chambers Thanks everyone. I found that that photo of Greg and Dale's beautiful plane too, on West Coast piet. But I'm not smart enough to understand the significance of the fittings meeting beneath the wing. They adjusted the angle of the straps, made them longer...then what happens? On a different topic, has anyone drilled their fittings with a hand drill? I figure I can level the surface the metal is on, use the level on the drill and get a pretty clean hole. Or I'm kidding myself and it's absolutely time to invest in a drill press? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > Is this what you are talking about Jim? > > -------- > Mark - working on wings > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296533#296533 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0422_149.jpg > > -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps From: Rick Holland Correct, and you may want to make the wing strut fittings a little longer. rick On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Chris wrote: > I made mine the length shown on the plans and they worked fine. The > fittings that you might want to make longer are the ones that project away > from the structure where something else bolts to it. On the center section > fittings these would be the tabs that the brace wires attach to and the tabs > ones that the vertical struts bolt to. > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Chambers > *Sent:* Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:03 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: spar butt straps > > > Working on the 16 center section spar butt straps for the 3-piece wing. My > first metal fittings. > > I've read a lot of advice about making fittings longer. These center > section straps don't poke out through the fabric and I can't see a reason to > make them longer. > > What has everyone else done? Anyone made them to plans and had to do them > over? I'm really slow so I'd like to avoid doing them over. > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:15 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum cabane insert material One question, are you going to bolt to the fuselage fittings through the cabane itself? If so then why do you want anything in there? The only way an insert is going to add strength in tension is if that insert has at least one more bolt through it and the strut an inch or so above the bottom hole. This is a good idea with aluminum. In this case it's best to use a bar of aluminum. It's not like using wood struts. What you do there is add metal plates to the outside with another bolt 1 1/2" above the one that bolts the strut to the fuselage. This icreases the area of the "plug" sides thus increasing the tearout resistance dramaticaly. In both cases the idea is to strengthen the strut. Clif There is only about 5/16" of material below the bolt hole on the bottom fitting (and above on the top fitting). With the loads and shock loads applied by the strut the bolt would pull out the small chunk of wood below the bolt along the grain lines. You would be much better off with metal inserts. Ed G. > > I believe I have my posting woes fixed, so I am trying this again. > > I am using aluminum cabanes and am curious if a hard wood, (oak/ash) would be suitable for the inserts. I know most use some type of steel or aluminum, but since the fittings attach to soft spruce and ply wood gussets on the fuselage end, why not wood inside the cabanes? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:47 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps Hold on, I'm trying to sketch and scan a picture. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps Thanks everyone. I found that that photo of Greg and Dale's beautiful plane too, on West Coast piet. But I'm not smart enough to understand the significance of the fittings meeting beneath the wing. They adjusted the angle of the straps, made them longer...then what happens? On a different topic, has anyone drilled their fittings with a hand drill? I figure I can level the surface the metal is on, use the level on the drill and get a pretty clean hole. Or I'm kidding myself and it's absolutely time to invest in a drill press? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, K5YAC wrote: Is this what you are talking about Jim? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296533#296533 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0422_149.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:58 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps Hopefully the attached PDF answers your question. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps Thanks everyone. I found that that photo of Greg and Dale's beautiful plane too, on West Coast piet. But I'm not smart enough to understand the significance of the fittings meeting beneath the wing. They adjusted the angle of the straps, made them longer...then what happens? On a different topic, has anyone drilled their fittings with a hand drill? I figure I can level the surface the metal is on, use the level on the drill and get a pretty clean hole. Or I'm kidding myself and it's absolutely time to invest in a drill press? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, K5YAC wrote: Is this what you are talking about Jim? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296533#296533 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0422_149.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:01 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps Ken If you take a look at the pictures on my wing building page you will how I drilled almost every hole with hand drill and a simple drill guide.http://westcoastpiet.com/wings.htm A small drill press does come in handy for drilling some of the holes but I see no reason why you could not drill all the holes by hand. For a description on how I drill hole see this webpage http://westcoastpiet.com/drilling_holes.htm The only thing I do different is to clamp the drill guide on when possible. Now I typically drill the starting holes on my drill press but you could center punch the spot then use a drill guide with a notch to straddle the fitting. Just clapm it to a flat surface and your all set. Kind of like a poor mans drill press. I bet you could find somone with a drill press to drill you some holes to make severl drill guides. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Chambers Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps Thanks everyone. I found that that photo of Greg and Dale's beautiful plane too, on West Coast piet. But I'm not smart enough to understand the significance of the fittings meeting beneath the wing. They adjusted the angle of the straps, made them longer...then what happens? On a different topic, has anyone drilled their fittings with a hand drill? I figure I can level the surface the metal is on, use the level on the drill and get a pretty clean hole. Or I'm kidding myself and it's absolutely time to invest in a drill press? On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, K5YAC wrote: Is this what you are talking about Jim? -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296533#296533 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0422_149.jpg ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== -- Ken Chambers 512-796-1798 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps From: Rick Holland Drill press would be a real good idea, can get one from Harbor Freight for less than the price of your hand drill. http://www.harborfreight.com/garage-shop/stationary-drill-press/5-speed-drill-press-38119.html rick On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ken Chambers wrote: > Thanks everyone. > > I found that that photo of Greg and Dale's beautiful plane too, on West > Coast piet. But I'm not smart enough to understand the significance of the > fittings meeting beneath the wing. They adjusted the angle of the straps, > made them longer...then what happens? > > On a different topic, has anyone drilled their fittings with a hand drill? > I figure I can level the surface the metal is on, use the level on the drill > and get a pretty clean hole. Or I'm kidding myself and it's absolutely time > to invest in a drill press? > > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:24 PM, K5YAC wrote: > >> >> Is this what you are talking about Jim? >> >> -------- >> Mark - working on wings >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=296533#296533 >> >> >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0422_149.jpg >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Ken Chambers > 512-796-1798 > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:55 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear Clif Finally! Now I know where I got the idea to building my landing gear the way I did. it's been bugging me because I knew I had seen an inverted jig setup before but could not find it again. Thanks for the inspiration. It worked great. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 7:58 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal pieces for wooden landing gear This is how I did mine. http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html Clif PS-Don't look at the tailwheel. I've changed to one I bought at Arlington and modified. Got to put it up sometime. ( Now where did I put that 29 hour clock! :-) Here is a link on how to do the gear.... http://www.westcoastpiet.com/construction_of_wood_gear.htm Once you get the wood legs done, then you can make the metal parts to fit. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:42 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spar butt straps The image here shows a small bench model drill press being used to drill the holes for the landing gear plates. You can do the same with anything that can be jigged up on your bench. 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