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1. 04:55 AM - Re: corvair (airlion)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Another straight axle gear question (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:04 AM - Re: corvair (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: corvair (Jim Ash)
5. 05:27 AM - Dan's progress and supposedly secret color scheme (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 05:48 AM - Re: motor mount dimensions? - thanks (Jack Phillips)
7. 05:48 AM - Re: Another straight axle gear question (Jack Phillips)
8. 07:01 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum cabane insert material (Michael Perez)
9. 07:46 AM - Re: corvair (airlion)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Another straight axle gear question (chase143(at)aol.com)
11. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete! (Wayne Bressler)
12. 10:07 AM - Re: Another straight axle gear question (Gene Rambo)
13. 02:29 PM - Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete! (Tim Willis)
14. 06:58 PM - Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete! (Rick Holland)
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Ryan , I have been trying to contact William for a week now by phone and email
with no luck. Thanks for the reply, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:50:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Gardiner,
You had your engine completely assembled by WW? Since William built the engine,
have you called him about it? He has a reputation of providing pretty good support
for stuff that he builds. On the other hand, I'm sure Bill Clapp would salivate
over the opportunity to steal away a WW customer. Good luck either way.
Sorry to hear about your woes.
Ryan
On May 4, 2010, at 7:35 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Rick, since I don't trust this engine right now , I am going to take it down to
Bill Clap in Valdosts Ga. The whole right side of the engine had not been torqued.
Thanks for the reply, Gardiner
>
>
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From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:15:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
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>>Strange Gardiner, I could understand maybe one stud pulling loose from the block
resulting in a loose head nut but several is hard to believe. If you are lucky
maybe you can just re-torque both heads and verify no studs are pulling out
of the block.
>
>rick
>
>
>On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>Thanks tom, Ijust took the head off on the right side and there was lot of blow
by. The cy head gskets appear to be ok. Also all the bolts and nuts on the
rt side had not been torqued as I could turn no 3 by hand and the others with
just a little pressure with a wrench
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
>>To: pietenpol <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:29:56 AM
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
>>
>>
>>One of our EAA chapter members had almost the same thing happen to him with his
Corvair / Sonex system. He was at about hour 20 and 15 miles from the airport
when the engine started losing power and the oil temp started rising. He
made it safely back to the airport but it was a near thing. Anyway, he discovered
a blown lower cylinder gasket (between the jug and the case.) Not a particularly
hard fix but one that should not have been required. According to WW
the most likely culprit was improper torqueing of the head during assembly.
He had not noticed any oil leakage prior to the incident.
>>
>>Stinemetze
>>McPherson, KS.
>>
>>
>>>>> airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 5/3/2010 7:56 PM >>>
>>
>>Well guys, after 17 hrs flying time my engine started missing and loosing power.
I made it to the ground ok and oil temp was climbing sky hi., and loosing
oil just a little. Today, I did a compression and leak test and both failed
on number 3 cylinder. Since the get go I have had a leak under that area so now
I know why. I had replaced the oil pan but that did not help. I am in the process
of taking the rt. side head off to check for a blown gasket or any other
anamoly. I did notice that the upper head bolts had not been torqued as I could
almost turn them by hand. To be continued. Gardiner Mason. PS I hope I can
get this resolved so I can fly to Brodhead.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Another straight axle gear question |
Steve,
The archives were correct. When the plane is in the three point position,
the ash blocks are parallel to the ground, and the ash blocks will necess
arily point back toward the tail skid plate. Once you start you will see
that because of all the angles this is just the way it comes out. Your be
st bet for sure is follow along with the instructions from Chris Tracy www
.westcoastpiet.com. You are lucky because this was not available when I ma
de mine and I really struggled. Lucky for me I got some extra help from a
couple of guys on this list that went out of their way for me, namely Jac
k Phillips and Mike Cuy. This was the most challenging part of the whole
airplane, but also the most satisfying (until I decided to carve a prop
that is).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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From: chase143(at)aol.com <chase143@aol.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:58 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another straight axle gear question
com>
Starting on my gear. I previously read in the archives (I can't find it no
w),
omething to the effect: "...with the plane on the ground, the straight axl
e ash
lock is parallel to the ground..." Q- Shouldn't the block be parallel to
the
eck angle (using the top longerons)? Or am I miss interpreting this?
lso, I know the block angles should converge on the tailwheel/skid. Q- Is
this
ngle intersection precise, and if so what is the recommended location? Mid
dle
f the tail wheel, forward edge of the tail wheel, center point of the back
of
he fuselage? Thanks.
teve
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As a businessman, it sounds like WW needs some competition. Can't contact
him for a week? Wow. Frustrating.
DH
-----Original Message-----
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:51 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Ryan , I have been trying to contact William for a week now by phone and
email with no luck. Thanks for the reply, Gardiner
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:50:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Gardiner,
You had your engine completely assembled by WW? Since William built the en
gine, have you called him about it? He has a reputation of providing prett
y good support for stuff that he builds. On the other hand, I'm sure Bill
Clapp would salivate over the opportunity to steal away a WW customer. Go
od luck either way. Sorry to hear about your woes.
Ryan
On May 4, 2010, at 7:35 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Rick, since I don't trust this engine right now , I am going to take it do
wn to Bill Clap in Valdosts Ga. The whole right side of the engine had not
been torqued. Thanks for the reply, Gardiner
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:15:57 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Strange Gardiner, I could understand maybe one stud pulling loose from the
block resulting in a loose head nut but several is hard to believe. If yo
u are lucky maybe you can just re-torque both heads and verify no studs ar
e pulling out of the block.
rick
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Thanks tom, Ijust took the head off on the right side and there was lot
of blow by. The cy head gskets appear to be ok. Also all the bolts and
nuts on the rt side had not been torqued as I could turn no 3 by hand and
the others with just a little pressure with a wrench
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
One of our EAA chapter members had almost the same thing happen to him wit
h his Corvair / Sonex system. He was at about hour 20 and 15 miles from
the airport when the engine started losing power and the oil temp started
rising. He made it safely back to the airport but it was a near thing.
Anyway, he discovered a blown lower cylinder gasket (between the jug and
the case.) Not a particularly hard fix but one that should not have been
required. According to WW the most likely culprit was improper torqueing
of the head during assembly. He had not noticed any oil leakage prior to
the incident.
Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 5/3/2010 7:56 PM >>>
Well guys, after 17 hrs flying time my engine started missing and loosing
power. I made it to the ground ok and oil temp was climbing sky hi., and
loosing oil just a little. Today, I did a compression and leak test and
both failed on number 3 cylinder. Since the get go I have had a leak unde
r that area so now I know why. I had replaced the oil pan but that did not
help. I am in the process of taking the rt. side head off to check for a
blown gasket or any other anamoly. I did notice that the upper head bolts
had not been torqued as I could almost turn them by hand. To be continued
. Gardiner Mason. PS I hope I can get this resolved so I can fly to Brodhe
ad.
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If you suspect a dead cylinder (on an airplane), the first thing your can do is
to ID which piston is where, then pull the prop through. A cylinder with no compression
will not provide the resistance the good ones will (This will obviously
not ID bad ignition on the problem cylinder). Also, if the engine can be
run, start it cold and run it for a minute. The head on the dead cylinder will
be colder than the others. This is a little harder to do on a Corvair with three
cylinders per head because the aluminum conducts head so well.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: May 4, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Strange Gardiner, I could understand maybe one stud pulling loose from the block
resulting in a loose head nut but several is hard to believe. If you are lucky
maybe you can just re-torque both heads and verify no studs are pulling out
of the block.
rick
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Thanks tom, Ijust took the head off on the right side and there was lot of blow
by. The cy head gskets appear to be ok. Also all the bolts and nuts on the
rt side had not been torqued as I could turn no 3 by hand and the others with
just a little pressure with a wrench
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:29:56 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
One of our EAA chapter members had almost the same thing happen to him with his
Corvair / Sonex system. He was at about hour 20 and 15 miles from the airport
when the engine started losing power and the oil temp started rising. He made
it safely back to the airport but it was a near thing. Anyway, he discovered
a blown lower cylinder gasket (between the jug and the case.) Not a particularly
hard fix but one that should not have been required. According to WW the
most likely culprit was improper torqueing of the head during assembly. He
had not noticed any oil leakage prior to the incident.
Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 5/3/2010 7:56 PM >>>
Well guys, after 17 hrs flying time my engine started missing and loosing power.
I made it to the ground ok and oil temp was climbing sky hi., and loosing oil
just a little. Today, I did a compression and leak test and both failed on
number 3 cylinder. Since the get go I have had a leak under that area so now
I know why. I had replaced the oil pan but that did not help. I am in the process
of taking the rt. side head off to check for a blown gasket or any other anamoly.
I did notice that the upper head bolts had not been torqued as I could
almost turn them by hand. To be continued. Gardiner Mason. PS I hope I can get
this resolved so I can fly to Brodhead.
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| Subject: | Dan's progress and supposedly secret color scheme |
Actually...
I too might have some inside information re Dan's top secret color scheme, just
contact me offlist.
JUST KIDDING! Dan I won't tell.
Seriously, congrats on almost being there, I too am completely convinced it'll
be a gorgeous plane. Actually, after seeing your work, I'm kinda glad I get to
do my rebuild so I can bring my detail work up to to snuff.
Let us know the minute she flies
ps. Dan, I'm driving with Marci down through Beloit this weekend from Rochester,
how far off 39 are you? are you around for a visit?
douwe
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| Subject: | motor mount dimensions? - thanks |
I'll be there, weather permitting.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: motor mount dimensions? - thanks
Jack,
Thank you for sharing your weight & balance and providing me your motor
mount length. I appreciate your help. Hope to see you at Brodhead.
john
do not archive
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From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 5:46:57 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motor mount dimensions?
John, I built my engine mount to BHP's plans for the A65 Continental. Here
is the W&B spreadsheet that I used. You can modify it to fit your own
dimentions and weights.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of John Egan
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: motor mount dimensions?
Builders,
I am building a long fuselage Aircamper, straight axle gear with wire
wheels, a J-3 fuel tank in the nose, and a 65 hp Continental engine with a
wood prop.
Do you guys recall the length of your motor mount, and would you share any
weight and balance infomation?
Yes, I'll complete a real w&b before flight.
I realize no two are the same, however I am interested in seeing the data.
I see BHP's plans call out an 11-3/16" long mount.
thanks all,
john egan
Greenville , WI
need to make a motor mount
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| Subject: | Another straight axle gear question |
Steve,
You are now at the most difficult and challenging part of the entire
project. It took me a long time to figure out the landing gear geometry.
At first I tried making the gear with the "V Block" (at the bottom of the V
where the axle rides) parallel to the top longeron and parallel to the
airplane centerline (I missed the part about it pointing to the tailpost).
I tried over and over to make struts (fortunately I was smart enough to make
them out of cheap pine until I got the right geometry) that would fit
properly at the fuselage and at the V Block. Finally, I ran strings
representing the edges of the struts and found that the V Block must be
towed in at the back in order for the strings to line up. It just happens
that this angle points APPROXIMATELY to the tailpost.
Here are a couple of photos showing how I did it:
Landing Gear Jig 2 shows the V Block parallel to the top longeron and the
centerline. You can see the pink mason's twine strings I laid in place,
representing the edges of the struts.
Landing Gear Jig - Revised 1 shows the angle that I had to move the V Block
in order to make the strings line up when viewed from the front.
Once I modified the jig to hold the V Blocks at that angle, the struts fit
beatufully and I made the final struts of laminated spruce.
Good Luck! Email me offlist if you have any further problems and I'll try
to help you.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
chase143(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another straight axle gear question
<chase143@aol.com>
Starting on my gear. I previously read in the archives (I can't find it
now), something to the effect: "...with the plane on the ground, the
straight axle ash block is parallel to the ground..." Q- Shouldn't the
block be parallel to the deck angle (using the top longerons)? Or am I miss
interpreting this?
Also, I know the block angles should converge on the tailwheel/skid. Q- Is
this angle intersection precise, and if so what is the recommended location?
Middle of the tail wheel, forward edge of the tail wheel, center point of
the back of the fuselage? Thanks.
Steve
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www.mypiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum cabane insert material |
GREAT! Now I have to find something else!- Maybe something more "green"..
.
Do not archive- (and I'm done now)
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My apologies to William as he was out of town with family stuff. Iam taking the
engine down to him in fl. where he can go over it. He says that it was probably
detonation, and can easily be taken care of.Improper torqueing
is not the problem as the engine would not have run so well for 16 hours. Cheers,
Gardiner
________________________________
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 8:00:33 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
As a businessman, it sounds like WW needs some competition. Can't contact him for
a week? Wow. Frustrating.
DH
-----Original Message-----
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:51 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Ryan , I have been trying to contact William for a week now by phone and email
with no luck. Thanks for the reply, Gardiner
________________________________
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:50:37 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
Gardiner,
You had your engine completely assembled by WW? Since William built the engine,
have you called him about it? He has a reputation of providing pretty good support
for stuff that he builds. On the other hand, I'm sure Bill Clapp would salivate
over the opportunity to steal away a WW customer. Good luck either way.
Sorry to hear about your woes.
Ryan
On May 4, 2010, at 7:35 PM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>Rick, since I don't trust this engine right now , I am going to take it down to
Bill Clap in Valdosts Ga. The whole right side of the engine had not been torqued.
Thanks for the reply, Gardiner
>
>
________________________________
From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 2:15:57 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
>
>>Strange Gardiner, I could understand maybe one stud pulling loose from the block
resulting in a loose head nut but several is hard to believe. If you are lucky
maybe you can just re-torque both heads and verify no studs are pulling out
of the block.
>
>>rick
>
>
>On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:29 AM, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>Thanks tom, Ijust took the head off on the right side and there was lot of blow
by. The cy head gskets appear to be ok. Also all the bolts and nuts on the
rt side had not been torqued as I could turn no 3 by hand and the others with
just a little pressure with a wrench
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
>>To: pietenpol <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 9:29:56 AM
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: corvair
>>
>>
>>One of our EAA chapter members had almost the same thing happen to him with his
Corvair / Sonex system. He was at about hour 20 and 15 miles from the airport
when the engine started losing power and the oil temp started rising. He
made it safely back to the airport but it was a near thing. Anyway, he discovered
a blown lower cylinder gasket (between the jug and the case.) Not a particularly
hard fix but one that should not have been required. According to WW
the most likely culprit was improper torqueing of the head during assembly.
He had not noticed any oil leakage prior to the incident.
>>
>>Stinemetze
>>McPherson, KS.
>>
>>
>>>>>>> airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> 5/3/2010 7:56 PM >>>
>>
>>>>Well guys, after 17 hrs flying time my engine started missing and loosing power.
I made it to the ground ok and oil temp was climbing sky hi., and loosing
oil just a little. Today, I did a compression and leak test and both failed
on number 3 cylinder. Since the get go I have had a leak under that area so
now I know why. I had replaced the oil pan but that did not help. I am in the
process of taking the rt. side head off to check for a blown gasket or any other
anamoly. I did notice that the upper head bolts had not been torqued as I could
almost turn them by hand. To be continued. Gardiner Mason. PS I hope I can
get this resolved so I can fly to Brodhead.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>>tp://forums.matronics.com
>>_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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>
>
>>--
>>Rick Holland
>>Castle Rock, Colorado
>
>>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another straight axle gear question |
Thanks guys. Yes, a big shout out to Chris for the landing gear info on WCP.
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| Subject: | Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete! |
Dan,
Not to make you nervous, but I have seen Gene's stash of dope. I may
or may not remember the colors, but your "hush money" check hasn't
arrived yet...
Maybe the secret's not too safe? ;^)
Do not archive
Wayne Bressler Jr.
Taildraggers, Inc.
taildraggersinc.com
On May 4, 2010, at 8:25 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> The other color was a Nassau Blue. I saw it on a biplane that was
> featured on the cover of S.A. a while back. Very hard colors to
> match and they were going to be special mix. Too much pressure to
> get them just right and I am glad I changed. Very happy with my new
> secret paint job. :O)
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 12:47 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete!
>
> >
>
> So, if you've abandoned the old color scheme, Dan, I guess you could
> share it
> with us now. I've got five bucks says the other color was going to
> be hot pink.
>
> BC
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| Subject: | Re: Another straight axle gear question |
To anyone building the straight gear . . . if you have not already
bought an axle, I have a spare one I just bought that I am not going to
use. It is the right diameter and thickness (1.5" x .135?). I would
like to sell for what the piece cost me, would save you the $25 cut fee
most places charge. Please contact offline if interested.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips<mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Another straight axle gear question
Steve,
You are now at the most difficult and challenging part of the entire
project. It took me a long time to figure out the landing gear
geometry. At first I tried making the gear with the "V Block" (at the
bottom of the V where the axle rides) parallel to the top longeron and
parallel to the airplane centerline (I missed the part about it pointing
to the tailpost). I tried over and over to make struts (fortunately I
was smart enough to make them out of cheap pine until I got the right
geometry) that would fit properly at the fuselage and at the V Block.
Finally, I ran strings representing the edges of the struts and found
that the V Block must be towed in at the back in order for the strings
to line up. It just happens that this angle points APPROXIMATELY to the
tailpost.
Here are a couple of photos showing how I did it:
Landing Gear Jig 2 shows the V Block parallel to the top longeron and
the centerline. You can see the pink mason's twine strings I laid in
place, representing the edges of the struts.
Landing Gear Jig - Revised 1 shows the angle that I had to move the V
Block in order to make the strings line up when viewed from the front.
Once I modified the jig to hold the V Blocks at that angle, the struts
fit beatufully and I made the final struts of laminated spruce.
Good Luck! Email me offlist if you have any further problems and I'll
try to help you.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
chase143(at)aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:59 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another straight axle gear question
<chase143@aol.com>
Starting on my gear. I previously read in the archives (I can't find
it now), something to the effect: "...with the plane on the ground, the
straight axle ash block is parallel to the ground..." Q- Shouldn't the
block be parallel to the deck angle (using the top longerons)? Or am I
miss interpreting this?
Also, I know the block angles should converge on the tailwheel/skid.
Q- Is this angle intersection precise, and if so what is the recommended
location? Middle of the tail wheel, forward edge of the tail wheel,
center point of the back of the fuselage? Thanks.
Steve
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Steve
www.mypiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete! |
Rick, where is this, CO? HAs the "Bell method" been described herein?
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Holland
Sent: May 4, 2010 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone- Spray painting complete!
Correct, EcoBond is the sticky stuff to attach the fabric. Am using the Stewart
stuff to paint my aluminum parts and latex on the fabric (using the proven Bell
method). And concerning the test panel, it is still in great shape, will have
been out on that post at 6700 ft. facing true South for five years this August.
rick
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Rick,
My memory often fails me. I thought you were going to paint with house paint? Are
you not the one who did the sample piece a couple years ago for weather testing?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone- Spray painting complete!
Great news Dan, I am covering the fuselage now (using Stewart EcoBond) and will
also be painting soon.
rick
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:52 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
Well boys, after many weeks, I have now completed the final painting of NX929DH.
This has been the least enjoyable part of the whole build for me. I guess because
at this stage I am impatient, and painting is 99% tedious preparation and
1% spraying. I am happy with my results (Stewart System), not as good as it
could have been, but there is a learning curve to spray painting with only one
chance at it, especially when you are spending so much money per gallon (no opportunity
for practice).
Now I am on to reassembly....what a joy it is!!!..... Finally!!! ......all the
misc. parts I have been saving in the cardboard box under my workbench for up
to 10 years. Last night made an inspection plate for the underside of fuse, because
I was one short. Pretty easy to make and it took only two tries.
Still hope to make Brodhead. Advantage for me is Brodhead is so close I can include
it in my fly-off area....takes a little more pressure off for the deadline.
Really need to put some more run time on my Model A since I have only run it
for about an hour.
Lesson learned from Douwe is that I will wait for a windless, sunny, high-pressure
morning for the first flight, and resist the temptation to fly in anything
but a perfect situation. The grass runway here is very wide and plenty long so
plenty of opportunity to abort if I have to.
So keep working boys,...... little-by-little it all adds up.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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When I saw Shad and Garys Piet at Brodhead I thought it had a real nice dope
finish. Found out later that it was a real nice Latex paint job. The
technique is real simple, (correct me if I got this wrong Shad), two
cross-coats of Latex primer on the bare fabric then two cross-coats of Satin
Latex, all with a foam brush and thinned with Flotrol the amount recommend
on the bottle. (Could use semi or gloss if you want a glossier finish).
rick
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>wrote:
> timothywillis@earthlink.net>
>
> Rick, where is this, CO? HAs the "Bell method" been described herein?
> Tim in central TX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Holland
> Sent: May 4, 2010 11:00 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone- Spray painting complete!
>
> Correct, EcoBond is the sticky stuff to attach the fabric. Am using the
> Stewart stuff to paint my aluminum parts and latex on the fabric (using the
> proven Bell method). And concerning the test panel, it is still in great
> shape, will have been out on that post at 6700 ft. facing true South for
> five years this August.
>
> rick
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Rick,
>
> My memory often fails me. I thought you were going to paint with house
> paint? Are you not the one who did the sample piece a couple years ago for
> weather testing?
>
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, CA
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> 18 ribs done
>
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:48 AM
>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone- Spray painting complete!
>
>
> Great news Dan, I am covering the fuselage now (using Stewart EcoBond) and
> will also be painting soon.
>
> rick
>
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:52 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Well boys, after many weeks, I have now completed the final painting of
> NX929DH. This has been the least enjoyable part of the whole build for me. I
> guess because at this stage I am impatient, and painting is 99% tedious
> preparation and 1% spraying. I am happy with my results (Stewart System),
> not as good as it could have been, but there is a learning curve to spray
> painting with only one chance at it, especially when you are spending so
> much money per gallon (no opportunity for practice).
>
>
> Now I am on to reassembly....what a joy it is!!!..... Finally!!! ......all
> the misc. parts I have been saving in the cardboard box under my workbench
> for up to 10 years. Last night made an inspection plate for the underside of
> fuse, because I was one short. Pretty easy to make and it took only two
> tries.
>
>
> Still hope to make Brodhead. Advantage for me is Brodhead is so close I can
> include it in my fly-off area....takes a little more pressure off for the
> deadline. Really need to put some more run time on my Model A since I have
> only run it for about an hour.
>
>
> Lesson learned from Douwe is that I will wait for a windless, sunny,
> high-pressure morning for the first flight, and resist the temptation to fly
> in anything but a perfect situation. The grass runway here is very wide and
> plenty long so plenty of opportunity to abort if I have to.
>
>
> So keep working boys,...... little-by-little it all adds up.
>
>
> Dan Helsper
>
> Poplar Grove, IL.
>
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> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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