---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/07/10: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 2. 07:00 AM - Re: Milestone- Spray painting complete! (Dan Yocum) 3. 07:16 AM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Jeff Boatright) 4. 08:04 AM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Dan Yocum) 5. 08:44 AM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (gcardinal@comcast.net) 6. 11:05 AM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Chris) 7. 11:48 AM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]) 8. 12:54 PM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Jack Phillips) 9. 01:18 PM - Re: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... (Wayne Bressler) 10. 01:33 PM - Re: Ethanol in Mogas-- more coming (Jeff Boatright) 11. 06:04 PM - What must be done to invert a Ford Model A engine? (Mild Bill) 12. 07:02 PM - Re: What must be done to invert a Ford Model A engine? (Ryan Mueller) 13. 07:22 PM - Re: What must be done to invert a Ford Model A engine? (Pieti Lowell) 14. 09:03 PM - Re: Ethanol in Mogas-- more coming (coxwelljon) 15. 09:12 PM - Re: Question regarding control surface travel (coxwelljon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:56 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... for me, anyway. Saturday Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Hig hs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:18 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Milestone- Spray painting complete! I flew up to Dan's place yesterday and before his bodyguards carted me off, I snapped some pictures!! They're attached. I wonder if I can sell them to the Enquirer... Cheers, Dan (the paparazzo) do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:15 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... If Mikey ain't flyin', ain't NOBODY flyin'!! >for me, anyway. > > >Saturday >Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of >showers. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with >gusts to 55 mph. > > -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:23 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... My dad tells a story about flying a J-5 over the lake we lived on when he was a younger man. It's not a terribly interesting story, until he appended the word "backwards." With a 35mph headwind, you should be able to hover, at least. do not archive On 05/07/2010 08:00 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] wrote: > for me, anyway. > *Saturday* > Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. > Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. > > * > > > * -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:17 AM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... "Highs in the lower 50's"..........LUXURY! Minneapolis is expecting 2" of wet snow. I'm not flying either. Greg C. Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov for me, anyway. Saturday Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. for me, anyway. Saturday Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:22 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... It's bad out here in California too. 69.4 =B0F Clear Humidity: 34% Dew Point: 38 =B0F Wind: 0.0 mph Wind Gust: 2.0 mph Pressure: 30.05 in (Steady) Visibility: 10.0 miles UV: 5.2 out of 16 Clouds: Clear - (Above Ground Level) Elevation: 130 ft However I am not flying either, no plane. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com Do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal@comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... "Highs in the lower 50's"..........LUXURY! Minneapolis is expecting 2" of wet snow. I'm not flying either. Greg C. Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov for me, anyway. Saturday Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:35 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... I don't know how you endure such difficult weather conditions Chris. My h eart really goes out for you guys:) Keep plugging on your Pietenpol project. One day in the future you'll be able to take that weather and put it to good use. Flying is cheaper than therapy or a mistress. Mike C. do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... It's bad out here in California too. 69.4 =B0F Clear Humidity: 34% Dew Point: 38 =B0F Wind: 0.0 mph Wind Gust: 2.0 mph Pressure: 30.05 in (Steady) Visibility: 10.0 miles UV: 5.2 out of 16 Clouds: Clear - (Above Ground Level) Elevation: 130 ft However I am not flying either, no plane. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal@comcast.net Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... "Highs in the lower 50's"..........LUXURY! Minneapolis is expecting 2" of wet snow. I'm not flying either. Greg C. Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D. Cuy (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation]" michael.d.cuy @nasa.gov for me, anyway. Saturday Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Hig hs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:12 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... I just got down from a brief excursion in the RV-4. A few loops and rolls and a hammerhead over Smith Mountain Lake (we're up here for the weekend). I wish I had the Pietenpol here, wx is perfect. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... for me, anyway. Saturday Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts to 55 mph. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:18 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... Jack, You should have said hello. I've been working "Leesburg Radio" since 2:30. :) Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On May 7, 2010, at 3:51 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > I just got down from a brief excursion in the RV-4. A few loops and > rolls and a hammerhead over Smith Mountain Lake (we=99re up here for t > he weekend). I wish I had the Pietenpol here, wx is perfect. > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner- > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. > (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC Aerospace Corporation] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 9:00 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: no flying in Ohio Saturday......... > > for me, anyway. > > > Saturday > Very windy and much cooler. Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of > showers. Highs in the lower 50s. Southwest winds 25 to 35 mph with > gusts to 55 mph. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:30 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ethanol in Mogas-- more coming Nope, I don't think you're missing anything. I wish we were missing something and I'd love to hear solutions or tricks or work-arounds that actually work. As to mandates, there is a brief article at http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2010/05/with-new-mandates-being-questioned-ethanol-lobby-points-to-gulf-oil-disaster.html that suggests the new mandates may be delayed. Here's hoping. I am lucky in that I can buy avgas at several local airports. Within 30 miles the prices today range from a high of $7.70 at Hartsfield-Jackson to a low of $3.49 at Jackson County (19A). I, of course, always buy at 19A. :) The cheapest premium grade gasoline in the area is $3.03. The price difference between suspect premium gasoline and avgas is thus $3.49 - 3.03 = $0.46 per gallon. I fly about 100 hrs per year at about 5 gal per hour. Using just this snapshot of data, the cost of the peace of mind of avgas for a year's flying is 100 hrs x 5 gal/hr x 0.46 dollars/gal = $230. Even if the price difference was double, that might be the best deal in aviation. But, like I said, I'm lucky. Not all of us even has access to avgas, and many that do must pay much, much more for it. And like I said, I wish we were all missing something here, some strategy or trick, but I don't think we are. -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: What must be done to invert a Ford Model A engine? From: "Mild Bill" I did a search on the site but didn't find much detailed information. Didn't find much information elsewhere on the web, either, though possibly I could with a diligent search. So, exactly what alterations must be performed to make a Ford Model A run reliably when inverted? Lubrication system, cooling system, carburetor/manifolds, etc. Attention, Pieti Lowell..... (Any relation? I'm from the northwest Illinois Franks.) -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297088#297088 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What must be done to invert a Ford Model A engine? From: Ryan Mueller I think you need to first turn it into a Model B engine, and then turn that into a Funk engine. The Model A has a mostly splash lubed crank, doesn't it? Hard to make that work when you turn it upside down. Do tell, why would you want to try that? Ryan On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Mild Bill wrote: > > I did a search on the site but didn't find much detailed information. > Didn't find much information elsewhere on the web, either, though possibly I > could with a diligent search. > > So, exactly what alterations must be performed to make a Ford Model A run > reliably when inverted? Lubrication system, cooling system, > carburetor/manifolds, etc. > > Attention, Pieti Lowell..... > > (Any relation? I'm from the northwest Illinois Franks.) > > -------- > Bill Frank > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297088#297088 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: What must be done to invert a Ford Model A engine? From: "Pieti Lowell" I built the inverted B Ford block.( Funk ) In 1998. It is hangered at Palmyra WI. The basics are, Oil pump in the dist, spot. radiator is parallel to left side of block, with dampers to control temps.oil drains to oil sump on fire wall from the valve cover front and back locations.crank drilled to accept oil from mains. side mounted mag,water pump driven from rear pulley on crank, there is a 1"hi ring that is anchored at each cylinder to slow oil flow into piston/rod area,6.25 compression and alum. head.64 HP. There are a few other items that are required but it sure makes a faster, clean operating Pietenpol. The Funk Airplane used this engine in it's early models. Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297092#297092 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:18 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ethanol in Mogas-- more coming From: "coxwelljon" All stations in central NY are 10% ethanol. Traveled in SW Colorado last week and all the stations I saw there were also 10%. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297097#297097 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Question regarding control surface travel From: "coxwelljon" I have a GN-1 but I think they are the same. Don't have specs for ailerons but for the elevators up 20 deg. down max. 30. Rudder is left and right to within 1" of touching the elevator edge with elevator at neutral position. -------- Jon Coxwell GN-1 Builder Recycle and preserve the planet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297098#297098 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.