---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/10/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - Google! (Jim Markle) 2. 06:48 AM - Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (John Egan) 3. 07:11 AM - Peter's trim (Jeff Boatright) 4. 07:28 AM - Re: Pilot CG was Weight. (K5YAC) 5. 08:43 AM - Re: Clamps (Ken Howe) 6. 01:43 PM - Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (Ben Charvet) 7. 02:15 PM - Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations - thanks (John Egan) 8. 02:53 PM - Re: Clamps (Clif Dawson) 9. 04:03 PM - Re: Peter's trim (Peter W Johnson) 10. 04:32 PM - Re: Peter's trim (Jeff Boatright) 11. 05:19 PM - Re: Peter's trim (Peter W Johnson) 12. 05:39 PM - Peter's Wiring Diagram (Gary Boothe) 13. 06:54 PM - Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (gcardinal) 14. 08:41 PM - Re: Peter's trim (Kip and Beth Gardner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:48 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Google! Ok, now that's just about the neatest thing! I use the matronics search engine regularly and this will sure help! Very cool. thanks Dan! -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: May 9, 2010 10:21 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: seaching matronics archives [was: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Weight.] > > >Ryan's instructions are clear but the matronics search interface is >somewhat cumbersome (no offence, Matt). > >There's another, easier way to search the archives using google. Simply >add the following sting to any search you want perform specifically on >the matronics pietenpol list: > >site:matronics.com pietenpol > >So, to search specifically for "landing gear," search like this: > >site:matronics.com pietenpol "landing gear" > >For a searches about Lambert or Warner engines: > >site:matronics.com pietenpol lambert OR warner > >For search about A65 engines but you don't want to hear what that yocum >guy has to say, do this: > >site:matronics.com pietenpol A65 -yocum > >Hope this helps, >Dan > > >On 05/08/2010 09:02 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> Raymond, >> >> Searching the archives isn't too difficult. First off, you have to get >> there. You can find it at: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/search/ >> >> The first step is to use the 'Select Archive' dropdown to choose Pietenpol. >> >> I would leave 'Message Order' at Newest First. >> >> I like to set 'Output Method' at 3 frame Index. >> >> Then you arrive at entering your search. There are instructions on the >> site. To boil them down: >> >> If you want to search for one word, just type the word and click Begin >> Search. For example, if I want to find all posts that talk about >> Stromberg carbs, I'll search for 'stromberg' (minus the quotes). >> If I want to search for a phrase, I can just enter the words. Maybe I >> want to see what was posted about how to build landing gear. I can enter >> 'landing gear', and it will find every post that contains the word >> 'landing' that is followed immediately by the word 'gear'. >> Maybe I want to find out about how elevator travel might relate to >> throttle usage. Well, odds are I won't find a two or three word phrase >> containing those words right next to each other that is common to many >> posts. In this case I can search for 'elevator & throttle & travel'. >> This will show me any posts that contain those three words, whether they >> are next to each other or not. >> Maybe you decide you want to see if there is any information about >> Pietenpols with Warner engines, or with Lambert engines. There may be >> posts on the list about one, or the other, but not both. To find them >> you can do a search for 'warner | lambert. The | character, which you >> can enter by hitting Shift plus the |\ key, means or. So you are >> searching for posts that contain the words 'Warner' or 'Lambert', but >> not both. >> >> If you need any more help with searching in the archives please feel >> free to shoot me an email. I can talk you through it on the phone if you >> are more comfortable with that, just let me know. Good luck! >> >> Ryan >> >> >> >> On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:03 PM, skellytown flyer > > wrote: >> >> > >> >> Tom that is good to know.I have never figured out how to search the >> archives. maybe that's the reason I come up with questions that have >> been covered so often.if you would not mind visiting off list about >> it I'd be glad to pick your brain. but what I am trying to use is a >> calculator that is available on the Kansas city Dawn patrol >> website.I have the distances measured on my airplane using the >> firewall as a datum.as well as empty weights at >> the wheels and everything level.if I could just get a good >> centerline for pilot weight.I seem to remember reading once it would >> be at about a person's hip bone when sitting. that probably depends >> on the reclining angle.and whether it is a normal person or someone >> like me with long legs.but the figures I am coming up with sure >> don't look usable. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297144#297144 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> >> * > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:09 AM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations Builders,=0A=0ARegarding the fabrication of cables-and location of turnbu ckles for the aileron cables running to the control stick:=0A=0A1.- Have you guys found that having a two piece cable, where it breaks at the root o f the wing-assists in assembly and dismantling of the wings where it warr ents doing it?- =0A=0A2.- If so, do you use-clevises to make a splice (as Bengilis), or place the turnbuckle in between the wing and the center section which can be used for the splice and for tensioning?=0A=0A3.- Reg ardless of assembly, is there any advantage or disadvantage in having the t urnbuckle in the wing instead of at the control stick?=0A=0AThank you all. - I think I'll go with the proven majority on this one. I appreciate your help.=0A=0Ajohn egan=0Agreenville, wi=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:24 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design details at your website? I couldn't find anything. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pilot CG was Weight. From: "K5YAC" Zing! -- Hey, wait a minute... I resemble that remark. [Shocked] -------- Mark - working on wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297261#297261 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:49 AM PST US From: Ken Howe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clamps I used 4" pipe because I needed a big enough opening to fit over the 1/2" capstrip, a gusset on each side, a 3/16" plywood caul (spreads the pressure), and the 3/4" jig baseboard. I used oak dowels for the handles, which I found at Home Despot. Use a hot glue gun to hold the handles in position at the back side of the clamp. Pictures are attached, one showing the clamp itself, and one that shows how they work on my rib jig. bcolleran wrote: > > So I have seen some folks using a circular clamp lately. Is it just a piece of black pvc with a line cut in it? I saw some on cliff dawsons page and it sounds like that is all he used. Any input would be great. > > Bill Colleran > N424BK > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297181#297181 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:06 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations Just for simplicity sake I put all my turnbuckles on the aileron bellcranks. The crossover cable joins in the center with a clevis. I put my joint in the center, but it would have been better closer to one side (easier to assemble). The upper cables are one-piece from the aileron to the control stick. This makes it necessary to remove the pulleys on the center section to assemble the wing, but it wasn't a big deal for my setup. All this needs to be done before you cover the wings, then it goes pretty smoothly when it comes time for final assembly. There are other ways it could be done with less turnbuckles, I suppose, but I got a good deal on a bunch of them from B&B, around $7.50 each, which is cheaper than a clevis. Ben Charvet Mims, Fl On 5/10/2010 9:45 AM, John Egan wrote: > Builders, > Regarding the fabrication of cables and location of turnbuckles for > the aileron cables running to the control stick: > 1. Have you guys found that having a two piece cable, where it breaks > at the root of the wing assists in assembly and dismantling of the > wings where it warrents doing it? > 2. If so, do you use clevises to make a splice (as Bengilis), or > place the turnbuckle in between the wing and the center section which > can be used for the splice and for tensioning? > 3. Regardless of assembly, is there any advantage or disadvantage in > having the turnbuckle in the wing instead of at the control stick? > Thank you all. I think I'll go with the proven majority on this one. > I appreciate your help. > john egan > greenville, wi > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:14 PM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations - thanks Thank you Ben,=0A=0AI understand exactly what you did.- Thanks for the in formation.- I guess the important thing to do is to keep it simple, light and be able to inspect them.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0Ajohn=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ _______________________________=0AFrom: Ben Charvet =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, May 10, 2010 3:18:34 PM =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations=0A=0AJu st for simplicity sake I put all my turnbuckles on the aileron bellcranks. - The crossover cable joins in the center with a clevis.- I put my join t in the center, but it would have been better closer to one side (easier t o assemble).- The upper cables are one-piece from the aileron to the cont rol stick.- This makes it necessary to remove the pulleys on the center s ection to assemble the wing, but it wasn't a big deal for my setup.- All this needs to be done before you cover the wings, then it goes pretty smoot hly when it comes time for final assembly.- There are other ways it could be done with less turnbuckles, I suppose, but I got a good deal on a bunch of them from B&B, around $7.50 each, which is cheaper than a clevis.=0A=0A Ben Charvet=0AMims, Fl=0AOn 5/10/2010 9:45 AM, John Egan wrote: =0ABuilders ,=0A>=0A>Regarding the fabrication of cables-and location of turnbuckles for the aileron cables running to the control stick:=0A>=0A>1.- Have you guys found that having a two piece cable, where it breaks at the root of th e wing-assists in assembly and dismantling of the wings where it warrents doing it?- =0A>=0A>2.- If so, do you use-clevises to make a splice ( as Bengilis), or place the turnbuckle in between the wing and the center se ction which can be used for the splice and for tensioning?=0A>=0A>3.- Reg ardless of assembly, is there any advantage or disadvantage in having the t urnbuckle in the wing instead of at the control stick?=0A>=0A>Thank you all .- I think I'll go with the proven majority on this one. I appreciate you r help.=0A>=0A>john egan=0A>greenville, wi=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A> href="http://forums.ma tronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0A> href="http://www.matronics.c om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>=0A>=0A=0A=0A=0A_ -======================== ==================0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:16 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clamps Yep, that looks good. I put my handles through to the split side. Definitely put handles on the things. It makes a world of difference! Clif > > http://www.sportaviationonline.org/sportaviation/201005#pg84 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:12 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Jeff, Yes the trim system did work quite well. I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the concept. I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a fag (cigarette) packet" design. Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design details at your website? I couldn't find anything. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:38 PM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:55 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Jeff, Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet"; although I'm sure it already is :-) Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram Peter, I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first, and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here. I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel, no GPS, no night terrain following..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Jeff, Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet"; although I'm sure it already is :-) Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:23 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations John, On NX18235 the aileron cables are one piece with the turnbuckles located in the cockpit at the torque-tube control horn. Pulleys in the center-section need to be disassembled to remove the cables in the rare event of removing the wings. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:45 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations Builders, Regarding the fabrication of cables and location of turnbuckles for the aileron cables running to the control stick: 1. Have you guys found that having a two piece cable, where it breaks at the root of the wing assists in assembly and dismantling of the wings where it warrents doing it? 2. If so, do you use clevises to make a splice (as Bengilis), or place the turnbuckle in between the wing and the center section which can be used for the splice and for tensioning? 3. Regardless of assembly, is there any advantage or disadvantage in having the turnbuckle in the wing instead of at the control stick? Thank you all. I think I'll go with the proven majority on this one. I appreciate your help. john egan greenville, wi ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:41:14 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, Very nice - neat & simple - keep smoking :). Kip Gardner On May 10, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Peter W Johnson wrote: > > > Jeff, > > Yes the trim system did work quite well. > > I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the > elevator > horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of > wrapping the > cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > > http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg > shows the > concept. > > I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a > "back of a > fag (cigarette) packet" design. > > Cheers > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > > > Peter, > > I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of > your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design > details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > -- > > Jeff Boatright > "Now let's think about this..." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.