Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:44 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Peter W Johnson)
2. 06:09 AM - Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 12:04 PM - Ohio Fly-In of Interest (Kip and Beth Gardner)
4. 12:04 PM - Cool altimeter on ebay (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 01:05 PM - Re: Ohio Fly-In of Interest (John Hofmann)
6. 01:07 PM - Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (Rick Holland)
7. 02:41 PM - Re: Peter's trim (Dan Yocum)
8. 02:55 PM - Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (gcardinal)
9. 04:29 PM - Re: Peter's trim (Jeff Boatright)
10. 04:42 PM - Rotec Engine (Rodrigo Liberato)
11. 05:26 PM - horiz stab and elevator (bcolleran)
12. 07:34 PM - Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations (skellytown flyer)
13. 10:18 PM - Re: horiz stab and elevator (jorge lizarraga)
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| Subject: | Peter's Wiring Diagram |
Gary,
The original KISS technique!!
Thanks
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram
Peter,
I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about
ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first,
and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here.
I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel,
no GPS, no night terrain following.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Jeff,
Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet";
although I'm sure it already is :-)
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
Peter,
I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the
cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind
the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your
design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system,
which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you
told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm
Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage.
Thanks,
Jeff
><vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
>Jeff,
>
>Yes the trim system did work quite well.
>
>I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the
>elevator horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea
>of wrapping
the
>cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side.
>
>http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows
>the concept.
>
>I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back
>of a fag (cigarette) packet" design.
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
>--> <jboatri@emory.edu>
>
>Peter,
>
>I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of your
>cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design details at
>your website? I couldn't find anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
>
>
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Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
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| Subject: | Airleron cable turnbuckle locations |
I've had the wings off of 41CC to trailer it, and the way
Corky set it up, it's very easy to disconnect the aileron
control cables and re-rig it back later. The cross-connect
cable has a connecting link in the middle of the centersection,
like most of the others who responded. The adjustment
turnbuckles are in the cockpit, down at the torque tube arms...
again, like most others. What makes it easy to connect and
disconnect the cables and wings is that the centersection
pulleys don't need to be fiddled with because the cables
have a connecting link AFTER they go through the pulleys.
These connecting links (similar to motorcycle chain links but
with cottered or safety-wired clevis pins) are accessible
through inspection holes on the bottom of the wing. Yes, it's
a bit of a pain to adjust and safety the turnbuckles down in
the cockpit, but it's not something you need to do very often
and they are easy to inspect there.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Ohio Fly-In of Interest |
Group,
My EAA Chapter is having a Fly-in that should be of interest to
Pieters, particularly those of us using those 'crank-snapping'
corvairs, to wit:
EAA 82 is having it's 4th Annual "WINGS AND WHEELS FLY-IN" on
Saturday and Sunday, June 5 & 6th at Barber Airport (2D1).
The field is located approximately three miles north of Alliance,
Ohio on State Route 225. There will be aircraft with automotive and
alternative engines - CORVAIRS AND VOLKSWAGENS on display.
Ther will be a pancake breakfast on Saturday and Sunday from 7 till
11 AM with lunch on Saturday from noon till 2 PM. This event is open
to the public.
There will be homebuilt aircraft ( KR-2S's, Pietenpols, an Afford-a-
Plane), PRA #19 (Rotorcraft Chapter) will have trikes and a
demonstrator, and Vintage and Antique aircraft (Waco 9, Fleet,
Taylorcrafts) on the field. There will be a fleet of some nicely
restored Corvair cars on display.
There will be several Corvair engines and a "Roy's Garage" Fifth
Bearing on display for those who are interested in using a Corvair in
their project.
*************Roy Szarafinski of Roy's Garage will be present to
answer questions about his bearing and will gladly check your engine
cases for proper tolerances before you start an engine rebuild.*********
The fly-in hours will be Saturday... 7 AM - 4 PM and Sunday... 7 AM -
2 PM.
For more information, contact Ron Willett @ 330-314-0075 or Pete
Klapp @ 330-388-2074, and Forrest Barber (FBO) at
WWW.BARBERAIRCRAFT.COM.
We can provide lodging for those who would be flying in for our event.
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| Subject: | Cool altimeter on ebay |
Item #350351022733
WW1 British Altimeter
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Ohio Fly-In of Interest |
You may want to wear a construction helmet to protect yourself from the
falling engine parts. :)
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On May 11, 2010, at 6:17 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote:
<kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
>
> Group,
>
> My EAA Chapter is having a Fly-in that should be of interest to
Pieters, particularly those of us using those 'crank-snapping' corvairs,
to wit:
>
>
>
> EAA 82 is having it's 4th Annual "WINGS AND WHEELS FLY-IN" on Saturday
and Sunday, June 5 & 6th at Barber Airport (2D1).
>
> The field is located approximately three miles north of Alliance,
Ohio on State Route 225. There will be aircraft with automotive and
alternative engines - CORVAIRS AND VOLKSWAGENS on display.
>
> Ther will be a pancake breakfast on Saturday and Sunday from 7 till 11
AM with lunch on Saturday from noon till 2 PM. This event is open to
the public.
>
> There will be homebuilt aircraft ( KR-2S's, Pietenpols, an
Afford-a-Plane), PRA #19 (Rotorcraft Chapter) will have trikes and a
demonstrator, and Vintage and Antique aircraft (Waco 9, Fleet,
Taylorcrafts) on the field. There will be a fleet of some nicely
restored Corvair cars on display.
>
> There will be several Corvair engines and a "Roy's Garage" Fifth
Bearing on display for those who are interested in using a Corvair in
their project.
>
> *************Roy Szarafinski of Roy's Garage will be present to answer
questions about his bearing and will gladly check your engine cases for
proper tolerances before you start an engine rebuild.*********
>
> The fly-in hours will be Saturday... 7 AM - 4 PM and Sunday... 7 AM -
2 PM.
>
> For more information, contact Ron Willett @ 330-314-0075 or Pete Klapp
@ 330-388-2074, and Forrest Barber (FBO) at WWW.BARBERAIRCRAFT.COM.
>
> We can provide lodging for those who would be flying in for our event.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations |
Greg
So you use three turnbuckles total for all your aileron cables? Two on the
torque tube control horn and one in the center of your center section?
rick
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:49 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
> John,
>
> On NX18235 the aileron cables are one piece with the turnbuckles located in
> the cockpit at the torque-tube control horn.
> Pulleys in the center-section need to be disassembled to remove the cables
> in the rare event of removing the wings.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, May 10, 2010 8:45 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations
>
> Builders,
>
> Regarding the fabrication of cables and location of turnbuckles for the
> aileron cables running to the control stick:
>
> 1. Have you guys found that having a two piece cable, where it breaks at
> the root of the wing assists in assembly and dismantling of the wings where
> it warrents doing it?
>
> 2. If so, do you use clevises to make a splice (as Bengilis), or place the
> turnbuckle in between the wing and the center section which can be used for
> the splice and for tensioning?
>
> 3. Regardless of assembly, is there any advantage or disadvantage in
> having the turnbuckle in the wing instead of at the control stick?
>
> Thank you all. I think I'll go with the proven majority on this one. I
> appreciate your help.
>
> john egan
> greenville, wi
>
>
> *
>
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> *
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>
> *
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>
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Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | Re: Peter's trim |
Jeff,
How do you get to the bellcrank behind the seat? Isn't your seat glued
in place?
I should take the nauga off my seat and see if I can get back there -
I'd like a trim system like this, too.
My partner-in-crime last Wednesday was Dan Thurnau. He's about 210 and
boy, did I have to push the stick forward to keep 'er flying straight.
Thanks, in advance,
Dan
On 05/10/2010 06:28 PM, Jeff Boatright wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how
> the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank
> behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the
> zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I
> envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a
> fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I
> hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations |
That is correct.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations
Greg
So you use three turnbuckles total for all your aileron cables? Two on
the torque tube control horn and one in the center of your center
section?
rick
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 7:49 PM, gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
wrote:
John,
On NX18235 the aileron cables are one piece with the turnbuckles
located in the cockpit at the torque-tube control horn.
Pulleys in the center-section need to be disassembled to remove the
cables in the rare event of removing the wings.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations
Builders,
Regarding the fabrication of cables and location of turnbuckles
for the aileron cables running to the control stick:
1. Have you guys found that having a two piece cable, where it
breaks at the root of the wing assists in assembly and dismantling of
the wings where it warrents doing it?
2. If so, do you use clevises to make a splice (as Bengilis), or
place the turnbuckle in between the wing and the center section which
can be used for the splice and for tensioning?
3. Regardless of assembly, is there any advantage or disadvantage
in having the turnbuckle in the wing instead of at the control stick?
Thank you all. I think I'll go with the proven majority on this
one. I appreciate your help.
john egan
greenville, wi
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| Subject: | Re: Peter's trim |
Hey Dan,
I didn't describe the plan well. The bellcrank is accessible from
under the fuselage by two inspection panel holes that are below the
bellcrank. I have tested and I can reach both ends of the bellcrank
through these holes. It will be challenging, but with some Zen
meditation, planning, and pre-construction of as much of the system
as possible, it should be doable. Beer might help, too.
HTH,
Jeff
PS: Flying straight is highly over-rated.
>
>Jeff,
>
>How do you get to the bellcrank behind the seat? Isn't your seat
>glued in place?
>
>I should take the nauga off my seat and see if I can get back there
>- I'd like a trim system like this, too.
>
>My partner-in-crime last Wednesday was Dan Thurnau. He's about 210
>and boy, did I have to push the stick forward to keep 'er flying
>straight.
>
>Thanks, in advance,
>Dan
>
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Hi everyone,
since building is kind of slow down here, Id like to ask Dick N. and
the others about the Rotec Radial. Recently I bumped into their site and
got hooked right away. Than it lead me to Dicks airplane pics and its
a perfect match (just focusing on the looks). Besides price, what do you
think of this pathway?
Cheers
Rodrigo - Brazil
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| Subject: | horiz stab and elevator |
So I started the construction of the horizontal stab and elevator tonight. I have
one question. What size wood are you using on the beams between the LE and
TE on the sides. I was going to use a piece of 1"x1" the same as the main beam
just not routed out. What is your thoughts?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Airleron cable turnbuckle locations |
it is probably not helping you since I have the GN-1 but I put a turnbuckle on
each down aileron cable in the middle of my center section and used a ling i made
for the up cross cable.have the Nico/thimbles on both.I can just undo the
turnbuckles and have a big enough hole in the center section end rib so that the
cable end will pass through to remove the wings leaving the rest of the cables
in the fuselage and center section.seemed like the simples way to make it
work even though I was making a large cover on the bottom of the center section
to access it.if I need to tighten the up elevator cable much I'll need to either
make a little shorter link or slip a little larger bushing on the through
bolts. as it is I used 3/16" bolts in the link and cut some short bushings from
1/4" stainless steel tubing after I drilled it out to go over the bolts just
so the thimbles wouldn't be wearing directly on the bolts.for just a slight
tension increase I believe it would be OK to put a twist or two in the cable.probably
some will throw a shoe on that one but I doubt in the 20 plus feet of
cable that would put any significant strain on the cable.Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: horiz stab and elevator |
that is great- for my case I used the same way to australian piet buildin
g laminate le and beams not router I don have it the web side from australi
an iswww.cpc-world.com these give you alot ideas easy way and safe and incl
ude video for the first fly and my tail used same as plans in these moment
3/4by 1" i think , i hope these help you and we seyou nex jorge from hanfor
d
--- On Tue, 5/11/10, bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net> wrote:
From: bcolleran <bcolleran@comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: horiz stab and elevator
So I started the construction of the horizontal stab and elevator tonight.
- I have one question.- What size wood are you using on the beams betwe
en the LE and TE on the sides.- I was going to use a piece of 1"x1" the s
ame as the main beam just not routed out.- What is your thoughts?
Bill
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