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1. 06:30 AM - access to bellcrank (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 07:01 AM - Re: access to bellcrank (Jeff Boatright)
3. 07:22 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: access to bellcrank (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 08:11 AM - Re: Rotec Engine (Dick N)
6. 08:30 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Rick Holland)
7. 08:51 AM - Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] (Dan Yocum)
8. 09:37 AM - Re: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] (Jeff Boatright)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Jack)
10. 10:17 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
11. 10:50 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Jeff Boatright)
12. 10:58 AM - Re: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] (Jim Markle)
13. 01:30 PM - Re: Rotec Engine (Dave Abramson)
14. 03:12 PM - tank float indicator (skellytown flyer)
15. 03:22 PM - Re: tank float indicator (airlion)
16. 04:33 PM - Re: tank float indicator (Gary Boothe)
17. 04:44 PM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Gary Boothe)
18. 05:29 PM - Re: tank float indicator (skellytown flyer)
19. 07:07 PM - Project For Sale (not mine) (Wayne Bressler)
20. 07:39 PM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Rick Holland)
21. 11:32 PM - Re: Re: tank float indicator (Ryan Mueller)
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Subject: | access to bellcrank |
As I've mentioned before, Corky installed a nifty access
hole and cover in the fuselage directly below the elevator
bellcrank for inspection and service. It works great.
the cover is a simple rectangle of aluminum sheet with a
break in the middle. Much, much easier than trying to
work through two round inspection covers.
Pictures:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P5060002.JPG
and
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P5060003.JPG
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: access to bellcrank |
Yeah, but I'm LAZY. Installing a panel looks like work to me. But, it
may come to that. We'll see.
>
>
>As I've mentioned before, Corky installed a nifty access
>hole and cover in the fuselage directly below the elevator
>bellcrank for inspection and service.
...
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram |
elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm!
we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch
do not archive
In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of
my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but
everything works fine through an hour of test running.
_http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#
slideshow/5470444710890360866_
(http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866)
rick
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe <_gboothe5@comcast.net_
(mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net) > wrote:
Peter,
I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just
about
ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first,
and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it
here.
I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel,
no GPS, no night terrain following.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
<_vk3eka@bigpond.net.au_ (mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au) >
Jeff,
Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag
packet";
although I'm sure it already is :-)
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
[mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <_jboatri@emory.edu_
(mailto:jboatri@emory.edu) >
Peter,
I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how
the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell
Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who
invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly
exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still
at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your
system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the
"build it" stage.
Thanks,
Jeff
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson"
><_vk3eka@bigpond.net.au_ (mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au) >
>
>Jeff,
>
>Yes the trim system did work quite well.
>
>I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the
elevator
>horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping
the
>cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side.
>
>_http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg_
(http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg) shows the
>concept.
>
>I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a
>fag (cigarette) packet" design.
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com)
>[mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_
(mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
>To: _pietenpol-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com) ;
_vk3eka@bigpond.net.au_ (mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au)
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
>--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <_jboatri@emory.edu_
(mailto:jboatri@emory.edu) >
>
>Peter,
>
>I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of
>your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design
>details at your website? I couldn't find anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Subject: | Re: access to bellcrank |
I put a huge access panel down there on the underside of the fuze. Boy am
I glad I did because it comes in handy. I can get my whole upper torso in
to that space.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 8:57 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: access to bellcrank
Yeah, but I'm LAZY. Installing a panel looks like work to me. But, it may
come to that. We'll see.
>
>
>
>As I've mentioned before, Corky installed a nifty access
>hole and cover in the fuselage directly below the elevator
>bellcrank for inspection and service.
...
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Rotec Engine |
Rodrego
I strongly disagree with Michael P. on the engine comments. My engine
sticks out 2" higher and 2" on each side. I think it has a well balanced
look to it. My only criticizm is it's too quite. Strnage when you are
flying. Installation was on the difficult side. All in all I'm very happy
with the engine.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodrigo Liberato" <ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine
<ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Hi everyone,
since building is kind of slow down here, Id like to ask Dick N. and
the others about the Rotec Radial. Recently I bumped into their site and
got hooked right away. Than it lead me to Dicks airplane pics and its
a perfect match (just focusing on the looks). Besides price, what do you
think of this pathway?
Cheers
Rodrigo - Brazil
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Subject: | Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram |
Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a
Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but
for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it
as redundant pitch control).
rick
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
> elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm!
>
> we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch
>
> do not archive
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my
> Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but
> everything works fine through an hour of test running.
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just
>> about
>> ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives,
>> first,
>> and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it
>> here.
>>
>> I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel,
>> no GPS, no night terrain following.....
>>
>> Gary Boothe
>> Cool, Ca.
>> Pietenpol
>> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
>> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>> (18 ribs down.)
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
>> Johnson
>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>>
>> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag
>> packet";
>> although I'm sure it already is :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Boatright
>> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>>
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how
>> the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell
>> Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who
>> invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly
>> exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still
>> at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your
>> system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the
>> "build it" stage.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> ><vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>> >
>> >Jeff,
>> >
>> >Yes the trim system did work quite well.
>> >
>> >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the
>> elevator
>> >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping
>> the
>> >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side.
>> >
>> >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows
>> the
>> >concept.
>> >
>> >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of
>> a
>> >fag (cigarette) packet" design.
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Peter
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> >Boatright
>> >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
>> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
>> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>> >
>> >
>> >Peter,
>> >
>> >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of
>> >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design
>> >details at your website? I couldn't find anything.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Jeff
>> >--
>> >
>> >Jeff Boatright
>> >"Now let's think about this..."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> ---
>>
>> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
>> Emory University School of Medicine
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> Molecular Vision
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> *
>
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Subject: | Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] |
Jeff,
Here's an alternative trim system that I'm thinking about putting into
N8031 to replace the screen door spring that's used, now. The whole
system is in the cockpit, so there's no need to break your back trying
to get to the bellcrank behind the seat.
This system is based on a version of a trim system found in Schweizer
SGS 2-33 gliders. It's a lever attached to the stick which can
couple/decouple with a gear that's held under tension by 2 bungees. The
gear is attached to the pivot point of the stick, and the bungees are
attached to the pivot tube. Basically, you put the stick where you want
to fly, then engage the lever in the gear to place the stick under
tension.
Caveat Emptor!! Though I've used this sort of trim system, I've never
actually *seen* it (the gear is below the floor in the glider), so if
build it, you may need to fiddle with the placement of the engaging
lever, the rotation of the gear, etc.
I'll try to get a picture of an actual 2-33 trim system to verify that
what I've drawn is actually what it looks like.
Cheers,
Dan
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Subject: | Re: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] |
Dan,
Thanks much for the drawing and idea. Looks interesting. I have been
pondering "in-cockpit" solutions, but hadn't come up with anything.
This looks promising.
Jeff
--
Jeff Boatright
"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Peter's Wiring Diagram |
Rick,
I'm considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with having trim
on just the one elevator and not having the elevators directly connected?
Has anyone flown with a similar setup?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a
Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but
for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it
as redundant pitch control).
rick
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm!
we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch
do not archive
In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my
Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but
everything works fine through an hour of test running.
http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#s
lideshow/5470444710890360866
rick
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Peter,
I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about
ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first,
and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here.
I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel,
no GPS, no night terrain following.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Jeff,
Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet";
although I'm sure it already is :-)
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
Peter,
I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how
the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell
Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who
invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly
exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still
at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your
system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the
"build it" stage.
Thanks,
Jeff
><vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
>Jeff,
>
>Yes the trim system did work quite well.
>
>I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator
>horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping
the
>cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side.
>
>http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the
>concept.
>
>I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a
>fag (cigarette) packet" design.
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
>
>Peter,
>
>I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of
>your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design
>details at your website? I couldn't find anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Peter's Wiring Diagram |
Rick,
I liked the pictures of your elevator trim.....that is just what I had
in mind for mine when I get to that point. I also plan on using the
Corvair, what type of servo did you use. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram
Rick,
I'm considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with having
trim on just the one elevator and not having the elevators directly
connected? Has anyone flown with a similar setup?
Thanks,
Jack
DSM
Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that
a Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer
either but for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my
refrigerator. (I look at it as redundant pitch control).
rick
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm!
we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch
do not archive
In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted
a jpg of my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't
flown yet but everything works fine through an hour of test running.
http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb
8
gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866
rick
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe
<gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Peter,
I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I
was just about
ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the
archives, first,
and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have
regurgitated it here.
I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no
glass panel,
no GPS, no night terrain following.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Jeff,
Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the
"fag packet";
although I'm sure it already is :-)
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
<jboatri@emory.edu>
Peter,
I poked around and found several more photos on your site
showing how
the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big
Bell
Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who
invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly
exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was
still
at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your
system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at
the
"build it" stage.
Thanks,
Jeff
><vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
>Jeff,
>
>Yes the trim system did work quite well.
>
>I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on
the elevator
>horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of
wrapping
the
>cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse
side.
>
>http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows
the
>concept.
>
>I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a
"back of a
>fag (cigarette) packet" design.
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
<jboatri@emory.edu>
>
>Peter,
>
>I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side
of
>your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have
design
>details at your website? I couldn't find anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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Subject: | Peter's Wiring Diagram |
I seem to recall several Piets with fixed trim tabs on just one
elevator. Functionally identical to this situation, I believe, and
they all fly fine.
>Rick,
>I'm considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with
>having trim on just the one elevator and not having the elevators
>directly connected? Has anyone flown with a similar setup?
>Thanks,
>Jack
--
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"Now let's think about this..."
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Subject: | Re: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] |
I have flown the 2-33 quite a bit and loved the trim mechanism..And have always
wanted to setup a trim system in my Piet like the 2-33....and have looked FOREVER
for how it was designed....
Now I have it!!!!
thanks VERY much....
-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
>Sent: May 13, 2010 8:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim]
>
>Jeff,
>
>Here's an alternative trim system that I'm thinking about putting into
>N8031 to replace the screen door spring that's used, now. The whole
>system is in the cockpit, so there's no need to break your back trying
>to get to the bellcrank behind the seat.
>
>This system is based on a version of a trim system found in Schweizer
>SGS 2-33 gliders. It's a lever attached to the stick which can
>couple/decouple with a gear that's held under tension by 2 bungees. The
>gear is attached to the pivot point of the stick, and the bungees are
>attached to the pivot tube. Basically, you put the stick where you want
>to fly, then engage the lever in the gear to place the stick under
>tension.
>
>Caveat Emptor!! Though I've used this sort of trim system, I've never
>actually *seen* it (the gear is below the floor in the glider), so if
>build it, you may need to fiddle with the placement of the engaging
>lever, the rotation of the gear, etc.
>
>I'll try to get a picture of an actual 2-33 trim system to verify that
>what I've drawn is actually what it looks like.
>
>Cheers,
>Dan
>
>
>--
>Dan Yocum
>Fermilab 630.840.6509
>yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
>"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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I agree with Dick!
Rotec engines are great! I plan on mounting one on my Pietenpol as soon as
$$$$ permits!
Dave
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick N
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine
Rodrego
I strongly disagree with Michael P. on the engine comments. My engine
sticks out 2" higher and 2" on each side. I think it has a well balanced
look to it. My only criticizm is it's too quite. Strnage when you are
flying. Installation was on the difficult side. All in all I'm very happy
with the engine.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodrigo Liberato" <ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine
<ditoliberato@terra.com.br>
Hi everyone,
since building is kind of slow down here, Id like to ask Dick N. and
the others about the Rotec Radial. Recently I bumped into their site and
got hooked right away. Than it lead me to Dicks airplane pics and its
a perfect match (just focusing on the looks). Besides price, what do you
think of this pathway?
Cheers
Rodrigo - Brazil
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Subject: | tank float indicator |
Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead tanks?
I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project and need
to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not do.Aircraft spruce
has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is pricey.I just can't think
of anything in the way of a small threaded clear tube that would withstand gas
to make one from. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: tank float indicator |
My
capacitance electrick gage works fine and I don' t have to worry about it breaking
and leaking fuel all over the place. Cheers, Gardiner Mason
----- Original Message ----
From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:11:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator
Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead tanks?
I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project and need
to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not do.Aircraft spruce
has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is pricey.I just can't think
of anything in the way of a small threaded clear tube that would withstand gas
to make one from. Raymond
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Subject: | tank float indicator |
Raymond,
Here is the much-touted Steve Eldridge Stearman Type Home Made Gauge.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead
tanks? I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project
and need to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not
do.Aircraft spruce has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is
pricey.I just can't think of anything in the way of a small threaded clear
tube that would withstand gas to make one from. Raymond
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297649#297649
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Subject: | Peter's Wiring Diagram |
Rick,
Servo powered trim? Yer treading in dangerous waters.don't let the "Pokity,
Pokities" see this.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram
Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a
Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but
for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it
as redundant pitch control).
rick
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm!
we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch
do not archive
In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my
Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but
everything works fine through an hour of test running.
http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#s
lideshow/5470444710890360866
rick
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Peter,
I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about
ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first,
and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here.
I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel,
no GPS, no night terrain following.....
Gary Boothe
Cool, Ca.
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
(18 ribs down.)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Jeff,
Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet";
although I'm sure it already is :-)
Cheers
Peter
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
Boatright
Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
Peter,
I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how
the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell
Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who
invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly
exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still
at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your
system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the
"build it" stage.
Thanks,
Jeff
><vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
>Jeff,
>
>Yes the trim system did work quite well.
>
>I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator
>horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping
the
>cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side.
>
>http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the
>concept.
>
>I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a
>fag (cigarette) packet" design.
>
>Cheers
>
>Peter
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>Boatright
>Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
>
>Peter,
>
>I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of
>your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design
>details at your website? I couldn't find anything.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jeff
>--
>
>Jeff Boatright
>"Now let's think about this..."
>
>
--
---
Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
Editor-in-Chief
Molecular Vision
--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
t
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: tank float indicator |
I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the clear Tygon tubing
I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I had thought of making something
similar but was wondering about finding something like clear plexi-glass tube
that would be in a diameter that could be threaded on the end and screwed
into a bushing.J.B. Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing the threads
and I have some white Teflon paste now that is made for gasoline and similar
products. it sealed my fuel connections drip proof.
I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has been modified for
higher flow. I think that I read somewhere they could be increased some way maybe
with a different venturi for larger engines than the A-65.anybody know how
to tell by looking? it had a shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around San
Antonio maybe? but it does leak bad if you put car gas in it.though only drips
when 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and couldn't see any crud in it but hated
to strip it completely down. I am wondering if that heavy looking brass float
just doesn't float well enough in this sorry excuse for car gas these days.I
can close the fuel shut off and do anyway when not running it.but I'd sure
like to verify the changes that might have been made if I go to the trouble of
taking it off again. Raymond
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Subject: | Project For Sale (not mine) |
Just an FYI. I saw this on Barnstormers, and thought I'd pass it
along...
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Taildraggers, Inc.
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Almost done.
Needs engine, fabric and other tweaks. Finish it & fly in 2 months. I
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Subject: | Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram |
Tech adviser doesn't have a problem with it on one side and people put fixe
d
tabs on only one side. I have not yet seen electric trim on a Piet but I
can't imagine that I could come up with anything on a Piet that someone
hasn't already done.
rick
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> I=92m considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with having t
rim
> on just the one elevator and not having the elevators directly connected?
> Has anyone flown with a similar setup?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jack
>
> DSM
>
>
> Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a
> Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either
but
> for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at
it
> as redundant pitch control).
>
> rick
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
>
> elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm!
>
>
> we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of
> my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet
but
> everything works fine through an hour of test running.
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb
8gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866
>
> rick
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote
:
>
> Peter,
>
> I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just
> about
> ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, firs
t,
> and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it
> here.
>
> I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel
,
> no GPS, no night terrain following.....
>
> Gary Boothe
> Cool, Ca.
> Pietenpol
> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted
> Tail done, Fuselage on gear
> (18 ribs down.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
> Johnson
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Jeff,
>
> Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag
> packet";
> although I'm sure it already is :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Boatright
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
>
>
> Peter,
>
> I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how
> the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell
> Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who
> invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly
> exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still
> at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your
> system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the
> "build it" stage.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ><vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
> >
> >Jeff,
> >
> >Yes the trim system did work quite well.
> >
> >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the
> elevator
> >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping
> the
> >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side.
> >
> >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows
> the
> >concept.
> >
> >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of
a
> >fag (cigarette) packet" design.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> >Boatright
> >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM
> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au
> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim
> >
> >
> >Peter,
> >
> >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of
> >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design
> >details at your website? I couldn't find anything.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jeff
> >--
> >
> >Jeff Boatright
> >"Now let's think about this..."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> ---
>
> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
> Emory University School of Medicine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Molecular Vision
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
> Castle Rock, Colorado
>
> "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
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>
> *ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List*
>
> *tp://forums.matronics.com*
>
> *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
>
> * *
>
>
> --
> Rick Holland
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Subject: | Re: tank float indicator |
If I recall correctly, the Stromberg for the Corvair should be setup
equivalent to the configuration for a C-85. I think the difference
between that and the A-65 is a venturi change. But if the exact nature
of the overhaul is unknown, plus it drips or dribbles gas depending on
it's mood, I would pack it up and ship it off to Russ Romey at D&G
Supply in MI. He's the go-to guy to have carbs overhauled and setup
for the Corvair. For probably around $400 it will come back good as
new, and more importantly it will perform and function correctly.
Ryan
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On May 13, 2010, at 5:29 PM, "skellytown flyer"
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
>
> I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the
> clear Tygon tubing I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I had
> thought of making something similar but was wondering about finding
> something like clear plexi-glass tube that would be in a diameter
> that could be threaded on the end and screwed into a bushing.J.B.
> Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing the threads and I
> have some white Teflon paste now that is made for gasoline and
> similar products. it sealed my fuel connections drip proof.
> I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has been
> modified for higher flow. I think that I read somewhere they could
> be increased some way maybe with a different venturi for larger
> engines than the A-65.anybody know how to tell by looking? it had a
> shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around San Antonio maybe? but
> it does leak bad if you put car gas in it.though only drips when
> 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and couldn't see any crud in it
> but hated to strip it completely down. I am wondering if that heavy
> looking brass float just doesn't float well enough in this sorry
> excuse for car gas these days.I can close the fuel shut off and do
> anyway when not running it.but I'd sure like to verify the changes
> that might have been made if I go to the trouble of taking it off
> again. Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297662#297662
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