---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/13/10: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:30 AM - access to bellcrank (Oscar Zuniga) 2. 07:01 AM - Re: access to bellcrank (Jeff Boatright) 3. 07:22 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: access to bellcrank (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: Rotec Engine (Dick N) 6. 08:30 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Rick Holland) 7. 08:51 AM - Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] (Dan Yocum) 8. 09:37 AM - Re: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] (Jeff Boatright) 9. 09:58 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Jack) 10. 10:17 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 11. 10:50 AM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Jeff Boatright) 12. 10:58 AM - Re: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] (Jim Markle) 13. 01:30 PM - Re: Rotec Engine (Dave Abramson) 14. 03:12 PM - tank float indicator (skellytown flyer) 15. 03:22 PM - Re: tank float indicator (airlion) 16. 04:33 PM - Re: tank float indicator (Gary Boothe) 17. 04:44 PM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Gary Boothe) 18. 05:29 PM - Re: tank float indicator (skellytown flyer) 19. 07:07 PM - Project For Sale (not mine) (Wayne Bressler) 20. 07:39 PM - Re: Peter's Wiring Diagram (Rick Holland) 21. 11:32 PM - Re: Re: tank float indicator (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:13 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: access to bellcrank As I've mentioned before, Corky installed a nifty access hole and cover in the fuselage directly below the elevator bellcrank for inspection and service. It works great. the cover is a simple rectangle of aluminum sheet with a break in the middle. Much, much easier than trying to work through two round inspection covers. Pictures: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P5060002.JPG and http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/P5060003.JPG Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:21 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: access to bellcrank Yeah, but I'm LAZY. Installing a panel looks like work to me. But, it may come to that. We'll see. > > >As I've mentioned before, Corky installed a nifty access >hole and cover in the fuselage directly below the elevator >bellcrank for inspection and service. ... -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm! we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch do not archive In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but everything works fine through an hour of test running. _http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE# slideshow/5470444710890360866_ (http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866) rick On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe <_gboothe5@comcast.net_ (mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net) > wrote: Peter, I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first, and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here. I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel, no GPS, no night terrain following..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" <_vk3eka@bigpond.net.au_ (mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au) > Jeff, Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet"; although I'm sure it already is :-) Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) [mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <_jboatri@emory.edu_ (mailto:jboatri@emory.edu) > Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Peter W Johnson" ><_vk3eka@bigpond.net.au_ (mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au) > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >_http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg_ (http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg) shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: _owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) >[mailto:_owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com_ (mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com) ] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: _pietenpol-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com) ; _vk3eka@bigpond.net.au_ (mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au) >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <_jboatri@emory.edu_ (mailto:jboatri@emory.edu) > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:00 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: access to bellcrank From: helspersew@aol.com I put a huge access panel down there on the underside of the fuze. Boy am I glad I did because it comes in handy. I can get my whole upper torso in to that space. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Boatright Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 8:57 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: access to bellcrank Yeah, but I'm LAZY. Installing a panel looks like work to me. But, it may come to that. We'll see. > > > >As I've mentioned before, Corky installed a nifty access >hole and cover in the fuselage directly below the elevator >bellcrank for inspection and service. ... -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:25 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine Rodrego I strongly disagree with Michael P. on the engine comments. My engine sticks out 2" higher and 2" on each side. I think it has a well balanced look to it. My only criticizm is it's too quite. Strnage when you are flying. Installation was on the difficult side. All in all I'm very happy with the engine. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Liberato" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine Hi everyone, since building is kind of slow down here, Id like to ask Dick N. and the others about the Rotec Radial. Recently I bumped into their site and got hooked right away. Than it lead me to Dicks airplane pics and its a perfect match (just focusing on the looks). Besides price, what do you think of this pathway? Cheers Rodrigo - Brazil ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram From: Rick Holland Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it as redundant pitch control). rick On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, wrote: > elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm! > > we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch > > do not archive > > In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > at7000ft@gmail.com writes: > > Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my > Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but > everything works fine through an hour of test running. > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866 > > rick > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: > >> Peter, >> >> I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just >> about >> ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, >> first, >> and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it >> here. >> >> I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel, >> no GPS, no night terrain following..... >> >> Gary Boothe >> Cool, Ca. >> Pietenpol >> WW Corvair Conversion, mounted >> Tail done, Fuselage on gear >> (18 ribs down.) >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W >> Johnson >> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim >> >> >> >> Jeff, >> >> Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag >> packet"; >> although I'm sure it already is :-) >> >> Cheers >> >> Peter >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> Boatright >> Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim >> >> >> Peter, >> >> I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how >> the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell >> Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who >> invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly >> exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still >> at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your >> system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the >> "build it" stage. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jeff >> >> >> > >> > >> >Jeff, >> > >> >Yes the trim system did work quite well. >> > >> >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the >> elevator >> >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping >> the >> >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. >> > >> >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows >> the >> >concept. >> > >> >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of >> a >> >fag (cigarette) packet" design. >> > >> >Cheers >> > >> >Peter >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >> >Boatright >> >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim >> > >> > >> >Peter, >> > >> >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >> >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >> >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. >> > >> >Thanks, >> > >> >Jeff >> >-- >> > >> >Jeff Boatright >> >"Now let's think about this..." >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> --- >> >> Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. >> Associate Professor of Ophthalmology >> Emory University School of Medicine >> Editor-in-Chief >> Molecular Vision >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > =================================== > t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ====================================ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > =================================== > tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > =================================== > * > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:20 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] Jeff, Here's an alternative trim system that I'm thinking about putting into N8031 to replace the screen door spring that's used, now. The whole system is in the cockpit, so there's no need to break your back trying to get to the bellcrank behind the seat. This system is based on a version of a trim system found in Schweizer SGS 2-33 gliders. It's a lever attached to the stick which can couple/decouple with a gear that's held under tension by 2 bungees. The gear is attached to the pivot point of the stick, and the bungees are attached to the pivot tube. Basically, you put the stick where you want to fly, then engage the lever in the gear to place the stick under tension. Caveat Emptor!! Though I've used this sort of trim system, I've never actually *seen* it (the gear is below the floor in the glider), so if build it, you may need to fiddle with the placement of the engaging lever, the rotation of the gear, etc. I'll try to get a picture of an actual 2-33 trim system to verify that what I've drawn is actually what it looks like. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:58 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] Dan, Thanks much for the drawing and idea. Looks interesting. I have been pondering "in-cockpit" solutions, but hadn't come up with anything. This looks promising. Jeff -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:01 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram Rick, I'm considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with having trim on just the one elevator and not having the elevators directly connected? Has anyone flown with a similar setup? Thanks, Jack DSM Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it as redundant pitch control). rick On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, wrote: elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm! we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch do not archive In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but everything works fine through an hour of test running. http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#s lideshow/5470444710890360866 rick On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Peter, I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first, and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here. I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel, no GPS, no night terrain following..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Jeff, Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet"; although I'm sure it already is :-) Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:39 AM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram Rick, I liked the pictures of your elevator trim.....that is just what I had in mind for mine when I get to that point. I also plan on using the Corvair, what type of servo did you use. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram Rick, I'm considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with having trim on just the one elevator and not having the elevators directly connected? Has anyone flown with a similar setup? Thanks, Jack DSM Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it as redundant pitch control). rick On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, wrote: elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm! we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch do not archive In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but everything works fine through an hour of test running. http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb 8 gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866 rick On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Peter, I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first, and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here. I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel, no GPS, no night terrain following..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Jeff, Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet"; although I'm sure it already is :-) Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > > > > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:40 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram I seem to recall several Piets with fixed trim tabs on just one elevator. Functionally identical to this situation, I believe, and they all fly fine. >Rick, >I'm considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with >having trim on just the one elevator and not having the elevators >directly connected? Has anyone flown with a similar setup? >Thanks, >Jack -- Jeff Boatright "Now let's think about this..." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:51 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] I have flown the 2-33 quite a bit and loved the trim mechanism..And have always wanted to setup a trim system in my Piet like the 2-33....and have looked FOREVER for how it was designed.... Now I have it!!!! thanks VERY much.... -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Yocum >Sent: May 13, 2010 8:50 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Schweizer SGS 2-33 trim system [was: Peter's trim] > >Jeff, > >Here's an alternative trim system that I'm thinking about putting into >N8031 to replace the screen door spring that's used, now. The whole >system is in the cockpit, so there's no need to break your back trying >to get to the bellcrank behind the seat. > >This system is based on a version of a trim system found in Schweizer >SGS 2-33 gliders. It's a lever attached to the stick which can >couple/decouple with a gear that's held under tension by 2 bungees. The >gear is attached to the pivot point of the stick, and the bungees are >attached to the pivot tube. Basically, you put the stick where you want >to fly, then engage the lever in the gear to place the stick under >tension. > >Caveat Emptor!! Though I've used this sort of trim system, I've never >actually *seen* it (the gear is below the floor in the glider), so if >build it, you may need to fiddle with the placement of the engaging >lever, the rotation of the gear, etc. > >I'll try to get a picture of an actual 2-33 trim system to verify that >what I've drawn is actually what it looks like. > >Cheers, >Dan > > >-- >Dan Yocum >Fermilab 630.840.6509 >yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov >"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:31 PM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine I agree with Dick! Rotec engines are great! I plan on mounting one on my Pietenpol as soon as $$$$ permits! Dave Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dick N Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine Rodrego I strongly disagree with Michael P. on the engine comments. My engine sticks out 2" higher and 2" on each side. I think it has a well balanced look to it. My only criticizm is it's too quite. Strnage when you are flying. Installation was on the difficult side. All in all I'm very happy with the engine. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Liberato" Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 6:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rotec Engine Hi everyone, since building is kind of slow down here, Id like to ask Dick N. and the others about the Rotec Radial. Recently I bumped into their site and got hooked right away. Than it lead me to Dicks airplane pics and its a perfect match (just focusing on the looks). Besides price, what do you think of this pathway? Cheers Rodrigo - Brazil ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator From: "skellytown flyer" Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead tanks? I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project and need to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not do.Aircraft spruce has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is pricey.I just can't think of anything in the way of a small threaded clear tube that would withstand gas to make one from. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297649#297649 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:55 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator My capacitance electrick gage works fine and I don' t have to worry about it breaking and leaking fuel all over the place. Cheers, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: skellytown flyer Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 6:11:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead tanks? I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project and need to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not do.Aircraft spruce has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is pricey.I just can't think of anything in the way of a small threaded clear tube that would withstand gas to make one from. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297649#297649 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:42 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator Raymond, Here is the much-touted Steve Eldridge Stearman Type Home Made Gauge. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead tanks? I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project and need to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not do.Aircraft spruce has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is pricey.I just can't think of anything in the way of a small threaded clear tube that would withstand gas to make one from. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297649#297649 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:17 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram Rick, Servo powered trim? Yer treading in dangerous waters.don't let the "Pokity, Pokities" see this. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it as redundant pitch control). rick On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, wrote: elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm! we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch do not archive In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but everything works fine through an hour of test running. http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb8gE#s lideshow/5470444710890360866 rick On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote: Peter, I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just about ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, first, and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it here. I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel, no GPS, no night terrain following..... Gary Boothe Cool, Ca. Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion, mounted Tail done, Fuselage on gear (18 ribs down.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Jeff, Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag packet"; although I'm sure it already is :-) Cheers Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Boatright Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim Peter, I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the "build it" stage. Thanks, Jeff > > >Jeff, > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the elevator >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping the >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows the >concept. > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > >Cheers > >Peter > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff >Boatright >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > >Peter, > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > >Thanks, > >Jeff >-- > >Jeff Boatright >"Now let's think about this..." > > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator From: "skellytown flyer" I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the clear Tygon tubing I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I had thought of making something similar but was wondering about finding something like clear plexi-glass tube that would be in a diameter that could be threaded on the end and screwed into a bushing.J.B. Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing the threads and I have some white Teflon paste now that is made for gasoline and similar products. it sealed my fuel connections drip proof. I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has been modified for higher flow. I think that I read somewhere they could be increased some way maybe with a different venturi for larger engines than the A-65.anybody know how to tell by looking? it had a shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around San Antonio maybe? but it does leak bad if you put car gas in it.though only drips when 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and couldn't see any crud in it but hated to strip it completely down. I am wondering if that heavy looking brass float just doesn't float well enough in this sorry excuse for car gas these days.I can close the fuel shut off and do anyway when not running it.but I'd sure like to verify the changes that might have been made if I go to the trouble of taking it off again. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297662#297662 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:18 PM PST US From: Wayne Bressler Subject: Pietenpol-List: Project For Sale (not mine) Just an FYI. I saw this on Barnstormers, and thought I'd pass it along... Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com PIETENPOL - 90% DONE =A2 $3,000 =A2 PROJECT FOR SALE =A2 Almost done. Needs engine, fabric and other tweaks. Finish it & fly in 2 months. I don't have time. =A2 Contact Todd Trainor, Owner - located Brighton, MI USA =A2 Telephone: 810-599-4035 . =A2 Posted May 13, 2010 =A2 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend =A2 Email Advertiser =A2 Save to Watchlist =A2 Report This Ad =A2 View Larger Pictures ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peter's Wiring Diagram From: Rick Holland Tech adviser doesn't have a problem with it on one side and people put fixe d tabs on only one side. I have not yet seen electric trim on a Piet but I can't imagine that I could come up with anything on a Piet that someone hasn't already done. rick On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Jack wrote: > Rick, > > I=92m considering the same setup. Do you have any concerns with having t rim > on just the one elevator and not having the elevators directly connected? > Has anyone flown with a similar setup? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > DSM > > > Ya do if you have an trim servo in your Piets elevator. Yes I know that a > Piet doesn't NEED no stinkin electric trim, but I don't NEED beer either but > for some reason the stuff keeps showing up in my refrigerator. (I look at it > as redundant pitch control). > > rick > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:22 AM, wrote: > > elevator trim switch? hmmmmmmm! > > > we don't need no stinkin elevator trim switch > > > do not archive > > > In a message dated 5/12/2010 4:33:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > at7000ft@gmail.com writes: > > Talking about wiring diagrams, if anyone is interested I posted a jpg of > my Corviar/Piet wiring diagram if anyone is interested. Hasn't flown yet but > everything works fine through an hour of test running. > > > http://picasaweb.google.com/at7000ft/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCIz1y77h75vb 8gE#slideshow/5470444710890360866 > > rick > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Gary Boothe wrote : > > Peter, > > I would also like to compliment you on your wiring diagram. I was just > about > ready to post a request for info, but decided to check the archives, firs t, > and found an old post! Hope you don't mind that I have regurgitated it > here. > > I was looking for something simple...no lights, no radios, no glass panel , > no GPS, no night terrain following..... > > Gary Boothe > Cool, Ca. > Pietenpol > WW Corvair Conversion, mounted > Tail done, Fuselage on gear > (18 ribs down.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W > Johnson > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:15 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > > > Jeff, > > Nice to see the pictures are useful. Maybe I should patent the "fag > packet"; > although I'm sure it already is :-) > > Cheers > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > Boatright > Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 9:29 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > > Peter, > > I poked around and found several more photos on your site showing how > the cable that wraps around the trim wheel attach to the Big Bell > Crank behind the pilot's seat. I feel like the SECOND guy who > invented the zipper. Your design and implementation are nearly > exactly how I envisioned a trim system, which is to say, I was still > at the "back of a fag packet" stage until you told me that your > system works. Now that I hear it will work, I'm Oh-ficially at the > "build it" stage. > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > > > > > >Jeff, > > > >Yes the trim system did work quite well. > > > >I originally had a lever in its place to tension the cables on the > elevator > >horn but couldn't get enough travel. I came up with the idea of wrapping > the > >cables round a piece of pvc tube suitably mounted on the fuse side. > > > >http://www.cpc-world.com/new_card_images/images/IMG_0710_JPG.jpg shows > the > >concept. > > > >I don't have much else in the way of design details. A bit of a "back of a > >fag (cigarette) packet" design. > > > >Cheers > > > >Peter > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff > >Boatright > >Sent: Tuesday, 11 May 2010 12:10 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com; vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peter's trim > > > > > >Peter, > > > >I just noticed what looks to be a trim wheel on the right side of > >your cockpit. Did your system work, and if so, do you have design > >details at your website? I couldn't find anything. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Jeff > >-- > > > >Jeff Boatright > >"Now let's think about this..." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > --- > > Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Emory University School of Medicine > Editor-in-Chief > Molecular Vision > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * * > > * * > > *t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www. matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com* > > *tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:55 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator If I recall correctly, the Stromberg for the Corvair should be setup equivalent to the configuration for a C-85. I think the difference between that and the A-65 is a venturi change. But if the exact nature of the overhaul is unknown, plus it drips or dribbles gas depending on it's mood, I would pack it up and ship it off to Russ Romey at D&G Supply in MI. He's the go-to guy to have carbs overhauled and setup for the Corvair. For probably around $400 it will come back good as new, and more importantly it will perform and function correctly. Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2010, at 5:29 PM, "skellytown flyer" wrote: > > > > I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the > clear Tygon tubing I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I had > thought of making something similar but was wondering about finding > something like clear plexi-glass tube that would be in a diameter > that could be threaded on the end and screwed into a bushing.J.B. > Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing the threads and I > have some white Teflon paste now that is made for gasoline and > similar products. it sealed my fuel connections drip proof. > I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has been > modified for higher flow. I think that I read somewhere they could > be increased some way maybe with a different venturi for larger > engines than the A-65.anybody know how to tell by looking? it had a > shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around San Antonio maybe? but > it does leak bad if you put car gas in it.though only drips when > 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and couldn't see any crud in it > but hated to strip it completely down. I am wondering if that heavy > looking brass float just doesn't float well enough in this sorry > excuse for car gas these days.I can close the fuel shut off and do > anyway when not running it.but I'd sure like to verify the changes > that might have been made if I go to the trouble of taking it off > again. Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297662#297662 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.