---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/14/10: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:08 AM - Re: Re: tank float indicator (Kip and Beth Gardner) 2. 05:44 AM - Electric Trim (tbyh@aol.com) 3. 07:04 AM - Re: tank float indicator (kevinpurtee) 4. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: tank float indicator (Ryan Mueller) 5. 08:00 AM - fuse construction (schuerrman) 6. 08:24 AM - A great Ford engine for sale, ready to fly (Douwe Blumberg) 7. 08:33 AM - Re: fuse construction (Gary Boothe) 8. 10:19 AM - Re: rib test, wood failure (womenfly2) 9. 10:25 AM - Re: fuse construction (Chris) 10. 10:35 AM - Re: Another straight axle gear question (womenfly2) 11. 12:34 PM - Re: tank float indicator (Bill Church) 12. 12:43 PM - Re: tank float indicator (Dan Yocum) 13. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: tank float indicator (Kip and Beth Gardner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:02 AM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator Does he handle Marvel carbs too? I have an old one I got on eBay that I'm planning to use on my Corvair that obviously needs an overhaul. Contact info? Kip Gardner On May 14, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > > If I recall correctly, the Stromberg for the Corvair should be > setup equivalent to the configuration for a C-85. I think the > difference between that and the A-65 is a venturi change. But if > the exact nature of the overhaul is unknown, plus it drips or > dribbles gas depending on it's mood, I would pack it up and ship it > off to Russ Romey at D&G Supply in MI. He's the go-to guy to have > carbs overhauled and setup for the Corvair. For probably around > $400 it will come back good as new, and more importantly it will > perform and function correctly. > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 13, 2010, at 5:29 PM, "skellytown flyer" > wrote: > >> >> >> I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the >> clear Tygon tubing I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I >> had thought of making something similar but was wondering about >> finding something like clear plexi-glass tube that would be in a >> diameter that could be threaded on the end and screwed into a >> bushing.J.B. Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing >> the threads and I have some white Teflon paste now that is made >> for gasoline and similar products. it sealed my fuel connections >> drip proof. >> I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has been >> modified for higher flow. I think that I read somewhere they could >> be increased some way maybe with a different venturi for larger >> engines than the A-65.anybody know how to tell by looking? it had >> a shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around San Antonio maybe? >> but it does leak bad if you put car gas in it.though only drips >> when 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and couldn't see any crud >> in it but hated to strip it completely down. I am wondering if >> that heavy looking brass float just doesn't float well enough in >> this sorry excuse for car gas these days.I can close the fuel shut >> off and do anyway when not running it.but I'd sure like to verify >> the changes that might have been made if I go to the trouble of >> taking it off again. Raymond >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297662#297662 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Electric Trim From: tbyh@aol.com The only electric trim I'll need is for the flying field grass and my hair and whiskers... ; ) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator From: "kevinpurtee" Float indicator: cup-style wire indicator out of the fuel cap works pretty well & is bone simple. I have a small mirror (hello kitty - kids love it) on a lanyard in the cockpit. You're flying by time anyway. The mirror works great. I know that's not what you're looking for but it's a simple option. Carb: I sure felt better after having a pro shop overhaul it. It was pricey but that seemed a bad place to pinch pennies. I think my carb is a pretty typical C-65 carb & there's no problem whatsoever with adequate fuel flow. It does leak a little sitting static on the ground, which is solved by yet another simple solution: turn off the gas when you're not flying. The on/off switch is on the right rear cabane inches from my face. Have not taken off with the switch off so far (I'm waiting). Kevin NX899KP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297720#297720 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:08 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator I'm pretty sure they handle the Marvels as well. Their website is at: http://www.dgsupply.com/ You can find all their contact info there. Ask for Russ Romey, explain what you have and that you would like to have it overhauled for use on a Corvair aircraft engine conversion, and go from there. Ryan Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2010, at 4:07 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner wrote: > > > > Does he handle Marvel carbs too? I have an old one I got on eBay > that I'm planning to use on my Corvair that obviously needs an > overhaul. > > Contact info? > > Kip Gardner > > > On May 14, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > >> > >> >> If I recall correctly, the Stromberg for the Corvair should be >> setup equivalent to the configuration for a C-85. I think the >> difference between that and the A-65 is a venturi change. But if >> the exact nature of the overhaul is unknown, plus it drips or >> dribbles gas depending on it's mood, I would pack it up and ship it >> off to Russ Romey at D&G Supply in MI. He's the go-to guy to have >> carbs overhauled and setup for the Corvair. For probably around >> $400 it will come back good as new, and more importantly it will >> perform and function correctly. >> >> Ryan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 13, 2010, at 5:29 PM, "skellytown flyer" > > wrote: >> >>> > >>> >>> I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the >>> clear Tygon tubing I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I >>> had thought of making something similar but was wondering about >>> finding something like clear plexi-glass tube that would be in a >>> diameter that could be threaded on the end and screwed into a >>> bushing.J.B. Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing >>> the threads and I have some white Teflon paste now that is made >>> for gasoline and similar products. it sealed my fuel connections >>> drip proof. >>> I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has been >>> modified for higher flow. I think that I read somewhere they could >>> be increased some way maybe with a different venturi for larger >>> engines than the A-65.anybody know how to tell by looking? it had >>> a shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around San Antonio maybe? >>> but it does leak bad if you put car gas in it.though only drips >>> when 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and couldn't see any crud >>> in it but hated to strip it completely down. I am wondering if >>> that heavy looking brass float just doesn't float well enough in >>> this sorry excuse for car gas these days.I can close the fuel shut >>> off and do anyway when not running it.but I'd sure like to verify >>> the changes that might have been made if I go to the trouble of >>> taking it off again. Raymond >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297662#297662 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuse construction From: "schuerrman" I'm getting ready to put one side of the fuse together and I noticed that there's no gusset on the second member, on the bottom. (extended fuse)Should I put one there? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297731#297731 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:24 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A great Ford engine for sale, ready to fly Hey guys, After much soul-searching, I have made the difficult decision to replace my Ford with a Continental. I LOVE Fords, and especially LOVE this one that I've put so much time and money into. However, with the areas that Marci and I are wanting to fly (out west) I decided that since I'm rebuiding the fuse anyways, now would be the time to make the switch. If I was only going to fly around here, or up in the lowlands, I'd stick with it in a heartbeat and I still think they make the coolest Piet going. This all having been said, If anyone is interested in an absolutely great Ford that has been built by the best hand in America and test run up the ying-yang, contact me. The engine is running on a test-stand at Lowell's right now, here are the specs: Built by Ron Kelly (check out his website, rk designs) from handpicked parts counterbalanced crank, dye-penetrant tested modern Chevy pistons insert bearings Ken Perkins double magneto set up higher compression, two plug aluminum head (Dan Price head, no longer available) Enlarged oil sump, holds on extra quart. B grind cam bronze timing bear, not fiber or aluminum Modern design "T" type water pump that PUSHES cold water from down low into the engine, rather than sucking hot coolant from the engine. Has two carb/intake setups for increased performance, a weber and an aerocarb. Has two brand new slick 4130 mags with harness on it, I'll sell with or without, as I'd like them for the Continental. I also have the Forrest Lovely radiator, the engine mounts etc. This engine has been built with longevity and strength as paramount concerns. It has almost 20 hours on the test stand. An average Ford average will turn 1800 to 1850 static, this one is turning 1992rpm with a 76X42 Sensenich prop. (we have the photos to verify) This motor is ready to install and go, all the work and painstaking research has been done to ensure the safest, most reliable Ford possible. I am figuring out a price, but if you're interested, call or emails your questions. Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net 805 573 3564 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:17 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuse construction If I understand the question, the entire bottom will be 'gusseted' when you add the plywood floor. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of schuerrman Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuse construction I'm getting ready to put one side of the fuse together and I noticed that there's no gusset on the second member, on the bottom. (extended fuse)Should I put one there? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297731#297731 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib test, wood failure From: "womenfly2" Check this out on the testing of a Fokker D.vII rib. You can do the same with a Piet rib. Cheers! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297746#297746 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:50 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: fuse construction Never notice it before but you are correct the plans do not show a gusset. I put one there and it hasn't been problem. All the other plans show a gusset there. So I would say yes put a gusset there too. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of schuerrman Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuse construction I'm getting ready to put one side of the fuse together and I noticed that there's no gusset on the second member, on the bottom. (extended fuse)Should I put one there? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297731#297731 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another straight axle gear question From: "womenfly2" Here is a picture of my wood gear and you can see the ash block is pretty parallel to the ground. Hope this helps. Cheers. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297750#297750 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/nov18_08_111.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator From: "Bill Church" Just took a look at Aircraft Spruce's website, and see that the Stearman type fuel gauge retails for $69. For an aircraft part, I wouldn't really call that "pricey". The sight gauge isn't a complicated thing to make, but you will spend a fair amount of time searching for suitable components, and thinking, and building, and testing, and re-building. Material costs will be pretty low, but time spent will add up. I guess it depends on how much time you have to spare, and how much you like or dislike building things from scratch, but $70 doesn't seem too bad for a fuel gauge. The only downside that I can see is that the one they sell is for an 8" tank depth - so it will likely need to be modified for use in a Piet wing tank, so there goes some of the time savings. I believe AS used to sell a "short" version of the same gauge, but unfortunately, no more. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297773#297773 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:38 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tank float indicator On 05/13/2010 05:11 PM, skellytown flyer wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "skellytown flyer" > > Has anybody come up with a good home made drop down style gage for overhead tanks? I think I'm going to be making a center section tank for my project and need to get one or install an electric gage which I'd rather not do.Aircraft spruce has what they call a Stearman type gage but it is pricey.I just can't think of anything in the way of a small threaded clear tube that would withstand gas to make one from. Raymond If I recall correctly, Oscar has. His design is in the BPA newsletter from July 2009. Dan -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:49 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: tank float indicator Thanks Ryan! Do not archive. Kip Gardner On May 14, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure they handle the Marvels as well. Their website is at: > > http://www.dgsupply.com/ > > You can find all their contact info there. Ask for Russ Romey, > explain what you have and that you would like to have it overhauled > for use on a Corvair aircraft engine conversion, and go from there. > > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 14, 2010, at 4:07 AM, Kip and Beth Gardner > wrote: > >> >> >> Does he handle Marvel carbs too? I have an old one I got on eBay >> that I'm planning to use on my Corvair that obviously needs an >> overhaul. >> >> Contact info? >> >> Kip Gardner >> >> >> On May 14, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> If I recall correctly, the Stromberg for the Corvair should be >>> setup equivalent to the configuration for a C-85. I think the >>> difference between that and the A-65 is a venturi change. But if >>> the exact nature of the overhaul is unknown, plus it drips or >>> dribbles gas depending on it's mood, I would pack it up and ship >>> it off to Russ Romey at D&G Supply in MI. He's the go-to guy to >>> have carbs overhauled and setup for the Corvair. For probably >>> around $400 it will come back good as new, and more importantly >>> it will perform and function correctly. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 13, 2010, at 5:29 PM, "skellytown flyer" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I thought I had seen that somewhere. good idea. I wonder if the >>>> clear Tygon tubing I find in the stores is gas proof? Actually I >>>> had thought of making something similar but was wondering about >>>> finding something like clear plexi-glass tube that would be in a >>>> diameter that could be threaded on the end and screwed into a >>>> bushing.J.B. Weld always stood up to gas good as far as sealing >>>> the threads and I have some white Teflon paste now that is made >>>> for gasoline and similar products. it sealed my fuel connections >>>> drip proof. >>>> I also wonder whether my old Stromberg carb DJ installed has >>>> been modified for higher flow. I think that I read somewhere >>>> they could be increased some way maybe with a different venturi >>>> for larger engines than the A-65.anybody know how to tell by >>>> looking? it had a shop tag from a repair shop somewhere around >>>> San Antonio maybe? but it does leak bad if you put car gas in >>>> it.though only drips when 100LL is in it.I had the bowl off and >>>> couldn't see any crud in it but hated to strip it completely >>>> down. I am wondering if that heavy looking brass float just >>>> doesn't float well enough in this sorry excuse for car gas these >>>> days.I can close the fuel shut off and do anyway when not >>>> running it.but I'd sure like to verify the changes that might >>>> have been made if I go to the trouble of taking it off again. >>>> Raymond >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=297662#297662 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.