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1. 02:28 AM - Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD (bubbleboy)
2. 04:34 AM - A question about the fuselage cross pieces (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 04:36 AM - Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 06:05 AM - Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces (Gary Boothe)
5. 06:54 AM - Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces (John Recine)
6. 07:05 AM - Cabane struts (echobravo4)
7. 07:12 AM - Re: overbuilding a Pietenpol--some options (echobravo4)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces (Jeff Boatright)
9. 07:33 AM - Re: overbuilding a Pietenpol--some options (GliderMike)
10. 07:51 AM - Re: Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD (Michael Perez)
11. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD (Ryan Mueller)
12. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD (Michael Perez)
13. 10:12 AM - FW: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) (Gary Boothe)
14. 10:55 AM - Re: FW: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) (Michael Perez)
15. 11:25 AM - Re: Cabane struts (Jack Phillips)
16. 11:51 AM - Re: Cabane struts (Michael Perez)
17. 12:07 PM - Re: Cabane struts (Rick Holland)
18. 12:07 PM - Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces (Bill Church)
19. 12:09 PM - Re: Cabane struts (Jack Phillips)
20. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces (Jack Phillips)
21. 12:16 PM - Re: Flap over Flaperons (Bill Church)
22. 02:15 PM - Re: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) (Jerry Dotson)
23. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) (Gary Boothe)
24. 03:18 PM - Re: Cabane struts (echobravo4)
25. 03:34 PM - Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD (bubbleboy)
26. 04:21 PM - remove from list (Marshall Lumsden)
27. 10:39 PM - Re: Ailerflappers (BYD)
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Subject: | Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD |
Hi Mike...thanks mate! I thought it was the video's that used the PAL and NTSC
system? Over here our DVD players go on a zone system. Ours plays all zones. Does
anyone else on here from OZ been able to play them?
Bugger as I really want to have a look.
Scotty :?
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Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Subject: | A question about the fuselage cross pieces |
Bill,
Actually I have a good reason to recommend that these pieces be put in fla
t-waze. On the underside of the fuze, I used these pieces for the perimete
r of my giant access panel, to get at the cables, bellcranks, etc. I insta
lled "T" nuts in those pieces to secure my screws.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces |
Bill,
After reading your post question, I went into the vault, and retrieved the
special "pickle" canister that the B.H. Pietenpol "lost" papers are kept.
This is similar to the set-up that they have in the National Archives, fo
r the safe-keeping of the U.S. Constitution, where they have it under spec
ial green glass, and bathed in xenon (or is it argon ?) gas. Anyway, as I
realized that this was a very important question to be resolved, (these
can only be removed once per year) I slowly discharged the gas, and care
fully removed these much-treasured, tattered-edged papers. After careful
examination, it is very clear that these fuselage cross pieces should be
glued-in flat-wise. As I discovered this, I exhaled a huge, involuntary
sigh of relief, because this was the way I did mine.
As official custodian, I then re-packed and re-charged the "pickle" contai
ner, not to be opened till at least next year.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 5:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question about fuselage cross-pieces
a>
Just recently joined the sides of my fuselage together, and was asked how
I
ecided which way to orient the 1/2" x 1" cross-pieces and diagonals on the
top
nd bottom of the fuselage. i.e. when viewed from above, are the cross-piec
es
/2" wide or 1" wide?
don't think it really makes any significant difference, and the plans don
't
eally say which way they go. I went with the 1" dimension when viewed from
bove. My decision was based on the highly scientific method wherein one lo
oks
t the plans, and decides that the cross-pieces appear to be drawn about th
e
ame width as the longerons (which we know are 1" x 1").
Anyway, I was just curious as to what the consensus is out there in Piet-b
uilder
and (if there is a consensus). So the question is: Which way did you orien
t
our top and bottom fuselage cross pieces?
Bill C.
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Subject: | A question about fuselage cross-pieces |
Dan,
Rumor has it, that, secretly coded within those papers, is a map, leading to
BHP's personal stash of ping-pong balls and milk jugs..
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
Do not archive
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A question about fuselage cross-pieces
Bill,
After reading your post question, I went into the vault, and retrieved the
special "pickle" canister that the B.H. Pietenpol "lost" papers are kept.
This is similar to the set-up that they have in the National Archives, for
the safe-keeping of the U.S. Constitution, where they have it under special
green glass, and bathed in xenon (or is it argon ?) gas. Anyway, as I
realized that this was a very important question to be resolved, (these can
only be removed once per year) I slowly discharged the gas, and carefully
removed these much-treasured, tattered-edged papers. After careful
examination, it is very clear that these fuselage cross pieces should be
glued-in flat-wise. As I discovered this, I exhaled a huge, involuntary sigh
of relief, because this was the way I did mine.
As official custodian, I then re-packed and re-charged the "pickle"
container, not to be opened till at least next year.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 5:17 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A question about fuselage cross-pieces
Just recently joined the sides of my fuselage together, and was asked how I
decided which way to orient the 1/2" x 1" cross-pieces and diagonals on the
top
and bottom of the fuselage. i.e. when viewed from above, are the
cross-pieces
1/2" wide or 1" wide?
I don't think it really makes any significant difference, and the plans
don't
really say which way they go. I went with the 1" dimension when viewed from
above. My decision was based on the highly scientific method wherein one
looks
at the plans, and decides that the cross-pieces appear to be drawn about the
same width as the longerons (which we know are 1" x 1").
Anyway, I was just curious as to what the consensus is out there in
Piet-builder
land (if there is a consensus). So the question is: Which way did you orient
your top and bottom fuselage cross pieces?
Bill C.
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i'm still in the rib building stage, but was wondering, for those of you that have
made 36" (or wider) center sections- do the cabane struts remain upright or
do they angle out at the top?
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
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Subject: | Re: overbuilding a Pietenpol--some options |
I've heard mention of a longer wing has that been done/successful?
(been searching the archives)
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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | A question about fuselage cross-pieces |
And cow-bells! Need more cow-bells!
Do not archive
>Dan,
>
>Rumor has it, that, secretly coded within those
>papers, is a map, leading to BHP's personal
>stash of ping-pong balls and milk jugs.
>
>Gary Boothe
>Cool, CA
>Pietenpol
>WW Corvair Conversion
>Tail done, Fuselage on gear
>18 ribs done
>Do not archive
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Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Emory University School of Medicine
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Subject: | Re: overbuilding a Pietenpol--some options |
The check is in the mailbox, with a Twilight Zone commemorative stamp on it, and
the red flag is up for the mailman to pick it up :D
do not archive
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Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,
GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow
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Subject: | Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD |
I may be wrong, but I believe that NTSC and PAL are more in line with resol
ution and format, where as the region code dictates what plays with what pl
ayer.- From working with my HINT DVDs, my option for best quality while p
roducing the DVDs is NTSC. All the other formats seem to be a lower quality
or for PC playback only. (NOT knocking Mike Cuy's video at all...I have hi
s video and recommend it to everyone...even if they fly something other the
n a Pietenpol.) Last I head here in the U.S., our players were all region 1
. However, I have never been asked what region I want my DVDs to burn at, n
or have I seen any region stuff on the home DVD players I have. Maybe all m
odern home players are universal now and the region stuff is out the window
? If so, then our videos should play in any system.
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Subject: | Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD |
Insofar as the NTSC/PAL thing goes, I want to say that most modern DVD
players will actually play either one just fine, converting the image as
needed for the output specified in the settings on the player.
Region codes are not out the window....they are yet another pointless ploy
for the film/tv industry to attempt to control distribution of optical
media. However for the videos that you guys (i.e. Mike and Michael) are
producing, odds are your authoring and burning software is not assigning
region codes to the DVDs. Thusly they should play in any DVD player anywhere
in the world.
You won't ever see anything about region codes on your DVD player unless you
happen to attempt to play, for example, a DVD that was commercially
manufactured outside the US or Canada. In order to watch it you would have
to switch the region code on your player. You are usually allowed to do this
5 times and then the player locks itself on the 5th and final choice,
whatever it may be. If you 5th switch was to a region outside the US/Canada,
well, you've pretty much bricked your player when it comes to playing any
domestic DVDs. Same thing with computer DVD drives.
Ryan
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On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> I may be wrong, but I believe that NTSC and PAL are more in line with
> resolution and format, where as the region code dictates what plays with
> what player. From working with my HINT DVDs, my option for best quality
> while producing the DVDs is NTSC. All the other formats seem to be a lower
> quality or for PC playback only. (NOT knocking Mike Cuy's video at all...I
> have his video and recommend it to everyone...even if they fly something
> other then a Pietenpol.) Last I head here in the U.S., our players were all
> region 1. However, I have never been asked what region I want my DVDs to
> burn at, nor have I seen any region stuff on the home DVD players I have.
> Maybe all modern home players are universal now and the region stuff is out
> the window? If so, then our videos should play in any system.
>
>
> *
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> *
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Subject: | Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD |
Great intell. Ryan, thank you.
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Subject: | FW: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) |
(sigh..) made just one year after the date on my plans. That makes it
Pietenpol related.right?
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
From: Randy Farmer [mailto:r.l.farmer@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 9:40 AM
Subject: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video)
This film is 21 minutes long so watch when you have time. The aviation buffs
will like it. I really thought it was worth watching. What is the aircraft
type? :
The good old days when people dressed up to travel.
http://marcbrecy.neuf.fr/aa.html
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Subject: | Re: FW: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) |
"The good old- days when people dressed up to travel."
-
Back then people dressed nice just to go outside. They cared about how they
looked, smelled, talked, the treatment of others, were kind, considerate,
spoke intelligently...
OK, I'm done.
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My centersection is 36" wide and my cabanes atr vertical. The fittings at
the top must be modified to allow the struts to be inset 3".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts
i'm still in the rib building stage, but was wondering, for those of you
that have
made 36" (or wider) center sections- do the cabane struts remain upright or
do they angle out at the top?
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Did you say modified Jack?!- I'm interested...please explain this mod...p
ictures? I don't have the 36" C.S., but am curious as to what you did. Than
ks.
--- On Sat, 5/22/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts
et>
My centersection is 36" wide and my cabanes atr vertical.- The fittings a
t
the top must be modified to allow the struts to be inset 3".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of echobravo4
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts
i'm still in the rib building stage, but was wondering, for those of you
that have
made 36" (or wider) center sections- do the cabane struts remain upright or
do they angle out at the top?
--------
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
where I intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Cabane struts |
The cabanes and the top and bottom fittings are unchanged. The spars just
stick out a couple more inches on each side, and of course the wing connect
fittings move with them. However since the three piece wing plans show the
top of the wing connect fittings attaching at the top of the aileron pulley
fitting a change has to be made here. I just connected the top of the wing
connect fittings to the top of the cabane fitting (see attached), but they
don't have to connect at all.
rick
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:05 AM, echobravo4 <eab4@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> i'm still in the rib building stage, but was wondering, for those of you
> that have
> made 36" (or wider) center sections- do the cabane struts remain upright or
> do they angle out at the top?
>
> --------
> I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up
> where I intended to be.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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--
Rick Holland
Castle Rock, Colorado
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces |
Phew!
Thanks for going to the BHP Pickle jar to sort this out, Dan. I've seen photos
showing both ways, and had concluded that some builders were just plain wrong.
And with your revelation, I now rest assured that I chose the right way, and
it's the OTHER planes that will be falling out of the sky, not mine.
What a relief!
BC
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Here's a picture that shows the modification. The cabane strut fittings
attach to the spar fittings further inboard than the plans show.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts
Did you say modified Jack?! I'm interested...please explain this
mod...pictures? I don't have the 36" C.S., but am curious as to what you
did. Thanks.
--- On Sat, 5/22/10, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts
<pietflyr@bellsouth.net
<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietflyr@bellsouth.net> >
My centersection is 36" wide and my cabanes atr vertical. The fittings at
the top must be modified to allow the struts to be inset 3".
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Raleigh, NC
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane struts
<http://us.mc833.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=eab4@comcast.net> >
i'm still in the rib building stage, but was wondering, for those of you
that have
made 36" (or wider) center sections- do the cabane struts remain upright or
do they angle out at the top?
--------
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where I intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces |
If you really want to have it covered, make them 1" square.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A question about fuselage cross-pieces
Phew!
Thanks for going to the BHP Pickle jar to sort this out, Dan. I've seen
photos showing both ways, and had concluded that some builders were just
plain wrong. And with your revelation, I now rest assured that I chose the
right way, and it's the OTHER planes that will be falling out of the sky,
not mine.
What a relief!
BC
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Flap over Flaperons |
Now, Kip...
That's not really the Canadian National Motto.
But I don't think I'll get excited about your mistake.
BC
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Subject: | Re: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) |
My treasure trove of little know aeroplanes turned up this picture and a web site
that enlightened me. It is worth a look.
http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/curtiss-t32-condor-ii
Good video Gary.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video) |
Thanks, Jerry!!
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
Pietenpol
WW Corvair Conversion
Tail done, Fuselage on gear
18 ribs done
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: American Airways ad, from 1938 (video)
My treasure trove of little know aeroplanes turned up this picture and a web
site that enlightened me. It is worth a look.
http://www.dieselpunks.org/profiles/blogs/curtiss-t32-condor-ii
Good video Gary.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
Ribs and tailfeathers done
using Lycoming O-235
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Subject: | Re: Cabane struts |
got it! thanks for the help guys!
Earl
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Subject: | Re: Mike's Cuy's DVD |
Thanks guys...it was kind of what I was getting at.
Now Mike Cuy...if you read this do you take Paypal by any chance? Im in Australia
and a draft is another $25 so its much easier if I add a few dollars more and
pay you via Paypal if you can do that?
Scotty
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Scotty
Tamworth, Australia
Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper
www.scottyspietenpol.com
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Subject: | remove from list |
Hi: I would like to remove my name from the pietenpol list. Many thanks. Marshall
Lumsden
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Subject: | Re: Ailerflappers |
Don Emch wrote:
> At the end of this video there is a good example of why there are no "slow down"
devices needed.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeAw3-4HK_U
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
If you're interested I added to this video I made years ago - it can be found at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4ZH25ZFho
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