---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/26/10: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:36 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress (Mike Tunnicliffe) 2. 12:56 AM - Fuselage Ply (bubbleboy) 3. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: Real Progress! (Gary Boothe) 4. 05:11 AM - New Piet in Indiana (Douwe Blumberg) 5. 05:35 AM - Re: Fuselage Ply (Ben Charvet) 6. 05:42 AM - Re: Re: Real Progress! (Ryan Mueller) 7. 05:44 AM - Re: Fuselage Ply (bubbleboy) 8. 05:48 AM - Re: Fuselage Ply (Bill Church) 9. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Real Progress! (Michael Perez) 10. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Ply (Michael Perez) 11. 06:48 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress (Jeff Boatright) 12. 07:32 AM - Re: dropping things (flea) 13. 07:37 AM - Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Jeff wilson) 14. 07:42 AM - Re: Re: dropping things (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 15. 07:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Ryan Mueller) 16. 08:22 AM - OT - Boeing 40 and 787 Dreamliner Air-to-Air Photos (wayne@taildraggersinc.com) 17. 09:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (gcardinal@comcast.net) 18. 09:30 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (GliderMike) 19. 09:38 AM - Re: OT - Boeing 40 and 787 Dreamliner Air-to-Air Photos (GliderMike) 20. 10:05 AM - The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress (Dave Abramson) 21. 10:26 AM - Sad News GN-1 Fatal Crash (Jack) 22. 10:39 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Ply (Rick Holland) 23. 10:42 AM - Re: Sad News GN-1 Fatal Crash (Tim Willis) 24. 10:44 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Rick Holland) 25. 10:47 AM - Re: Re: Fuselage Ply (Ben Charvet) 26. 10:53 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Ben Charvet) 27. 10:58 AM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress (BYD) 28. 10:59 AM - Larry Williams' fuel tank (santiago morete) 29. 11:04 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Dave Abramson) 30. 11:38 AM - Re: Larry Williams' fuel tank (Gary Boothe) 31. 11:39 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Tim Willis) 32. 11:39 AM - Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory (Rick Holland) 33. 02:42 PM - Re: Fuselage Ply (bubbleboy) 34. 03:21 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress (Mike Tunnicliffe) 35. 03:59 PM - Re: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress () 36. 06:20 PM - 1667 strut (santiago morete) 37. 06:38 PM - 1667 strut (santiago morete) 38. 07:08 PM - Re: Larry Williams' fuel tank (helspersew@aol.com) 39. 09:04 PM - Ohio Pietenpol Gathering (shad bell) 40. 09:12 PM - Adverse Yaw (shad bell) 41. 09:15 PM - Re: 1667 strut exelente (jorge lizarraga) 42. 10:07 PM - Re: Larry Williams' fuel tank perfect (jorge lizarraga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:44 AM PST US From: Mike Tunnicliffe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress The first De Havilland aircraft (DH1) was completed in 1910, 95 percent of America's wartime aircraft production (WW1) were designed by DeHavilland, the company was formed in 1920, Regards Mike T, flying a Jodel, restoring a DH98, and building an Aircamper, to 1929 drawings, fuse and eppenage done, wing to be assembled, currently working on external combustion powerplant for the above Piet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress You are correct, it is not a Jenny. It is a Standard J-1; that was even in the subject line of his email. :P The Jenny, however, was not made by DeHavilland; DeHavilland didn't even exist as a company yet. The Jenny (or JN series) was built by the Curtiss Aeroplane Company of Hammondsport, NY. Ryan Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Ply From: "bubbleboy" Hi Guys...I am about to order my plywood for the Fuselage. Can someone confirm I have this right please? Floor is 1/4 inch. Instrument panels, seat backs etc and gussets are 1/8 inch Firewall is 1/8 inch although I found some in the Archives used 1/4 inch. I am struggling to find what thickness to use on the side sheets. It looks like 7/32 or something on the plan. Its very blurred. Can I use 1/8 or what is it meant to be? Scotty Tamworth, Australia www.scottyspietenpol.com -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298897#298897 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:35 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Real Progress! Mike, Geez...must be a 1,000 or more...! No, wait, 3-piece wing takes 30 ribs. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GliderMike Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Real Progress! Gary, my plans aren't here yet, so I want to know how many ribs there are supposed to be when they are all done. do not archive -------- Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298892#298892 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:08 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Piet in Indiana Visited a nice project yesterday, and its' builder, Larry Moreland. It was a thoroughly enjoyable experience, plus Larry gave me a tour of Columbus, Indiana, home of Cummins Diesel. Great town, stop by if you're ever in the area, just south of Indy. Great plane, looks like he'll be up and running soon. Ford powered, Jenny Gear, one piece wing. Very nice. Thanks Larry! "... A monoplane?... you're building me a monoplane!!?.." Douwe Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:22 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Ply I used 1 sheet of 1/4 inch, 2 sheets of 1/8 inch, and 1 sheet of 1/16 (for the leading edge of wing). If you are having it shipped, it probably makes sense to get it all at once. Ben Charvet NX866BC On 5/26/2010 3:55 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bubbleboy" > > Hi Guys...I am about to order my plywood for the Fuselage. Can someone confirm I have this right please? > > Floor is 1/4 inch. > Instrument panels, seat backs etc and gussets are 1/8 inch > Firewall is 1/8 inch although I found some in the Archives used 1/4 inch. > > I am struggling to find what thickness to use on the side sheets. It looks like 7/32 or something on the plan. Its very blurred. Can I use 1/8 or what is it meant to be? > > Scotty > Tamworth, Australia > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298897#298897 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:10 AM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Real Progress! However many it takes to remodel a kitchen... Ryan Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2010, at 12:23 AM, "GliderMike" wrote: > > > > Gary, my plans aren't here yet, so I want to know how many ribs > there are supposed to be when they are all done. > do not archive > > -------- > Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, > GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298892#298892 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Ply From: "bubbleboy" Thanks Ben...did you use the 1/8 on the fuse sides? Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298908#298908 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Ply From: "Bill Church" Stop struggling. It's right there in the middle of Drawing No 1. 1/8" plywood 2' x 6'. By the way, the plans actually call for the floor to be 7/32", but 1/4" is more commonly available. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298910#298910 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dwg_no_1_ply_211.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:05 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Real Progress! I used 31 ribs. My fuel tank will be in the nose, so I kept the center rib in the center section. This rib will get modified so I can put baggage in t here, but it will still lend some support. - ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:26 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Ply If I remember correctly, there is a side gusset right where the side plywoo d sheet stops; at the top. I believe the print shows this gusset as part of the side plywood sheet. If you do it this way, you may need a few inches m ore then 6'. Not sure, but take a look. - ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:19 AM PST US From: Jeff Boatright Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Mike, What Jodel are you flying? Jeff >The first De Havilland aircraft (DH1) was completed in 1910, 95 >percent of America's wartime aircraft production (WW1) were designed >by DeHavilland, the company was formed in 1920, > >Regards Mike T, flying a Jodel, restoring a DH98, and building an >Aircamper, to 1929 drawings, fuse and eppenage done, wing to be >assembled, currently working on external combustion powerplant for >the above Piet. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ryan Mueller >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:28 PM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress > >You are correct, it is not a Jenny. It is a Standard J-1; that was >even in the subject line of his email. :P > >The Jenny, however, was not made by DeHavilland; DeHavilland didn't >even exist as a company yet. The Jenny (or JN series) was built by >the Curtiss Aeroplane Company of Hammondsport, NY. > >Ryan > >Sent from my iPad > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:32:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: dropping things From: "flea" I watched the video link provided, it was about the BP oil spill. The main characters in the piece were BP, the Coast Guard, and dead sea turtles, oh and of course oil. So at Broadhead are dropping Oil, dead sea turtles, coast guard brass, or BP execs? just wondering which of these items to pack. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298925#298925 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:56 AM PST US From: Jeff wilson Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory Happy Wednesday Piet Pilots. With warm weather here now, I'm surprised to see so many messages here in t his forum. All these posts must be from those with Perfect Piets and nothin g else to do. I would think that all those with airplane factories would be out there bus y and have no time for the computer chat. Of course there are builders in progress with legite questions to post. Som e with 18 or so ribs done, some with a new set of plans and lots of questio ns, some with corvair concerns and some T-88 mixing dillemas, some old buil ders and some older builders, some material questions and some dimension qu estions...and some who ''...just think about this''. But most of all there are a lot of bold and adventurous experimenters. In the dusty environment of my own airplane factory I sometimes sit and sta re while pondering possibilities of my own Piet progress. Having decided on an A-65 and a very nice Hegy prop (thanks OZ) and wire wheels I'm now pond ering possible paints and leaning toward Dope. Its much lighter than any ot her. Also, last week I pondered out loud on flaperons. Of course that was merely an exercise of mental speculation, knowing full well the answer was ''Tha ts Ridiculous'' This week I'm sitting here wondering about adverse yaw. Without having sear ched the archive first, does the Piet have a problem with it in general or is it not much of a concern? If yes then I would like to throw this out the re; how about differential aileron bellcranks? Of course that would mean a rod from crank to aileron. Jeff Wilson N899WT ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:50 AM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: dropping things you can never go wrong with packing a Pith Helmet Do not archive In a message dated 5/26/2010 10:32:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimgriggs@yahoo.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "flea" I watched the video link provided, it was about the BP oil spill. The main characters in the piece were BP, the Coast Guard, and dead sea turtles, oh and of course oil. So at Broadhead are dropping Oil, dead sea turtles, coast guard brass, or BP execs? just wondering which of these items to pack. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298925#298925 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:59:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory From: Ryan Mueller Jeff, You will encounter adverse yaw in a Piet. Thankfully Bernard, in his infinite wisdom, included a rudder in the design. As long as the pilot meets the airplane halfway by having two functional feet it should be of no concern. ;) Ryan On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jeff wilson wrote: > Happy Wednesday Piet Pilots. > > This week I'm sitting here wondering about adverse yaw. Without having > searched the archive first, does the Piet have a problem with it in general > or is it not much of a concern? If yes then I would like to throw this out > there; how about differential aileron bellcranks? Of course that would mean > a rod from crank to aileron. > > Jeff Wilson > N899WT > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:16 AM PST US From: "wayne@taildraggersinc.com" Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT - Boeing 40 and 787 Dreamliner Air-to-Air Photos These are incredible shots. When you're done oggling the photos, read about how they got the shots. Photos: http://antiqueairfield.com/articles/show/582-the-photos-are-back-boeing-40-and-the-787-dreamliner How They Did It: http://antiqueairfield.com/articles/show/593-how-the-boeing-40-787-photo-shoot-was-done Special thanks go out to Antique Airplane Association for posting the photos and story on their website, Addison Pemberton for sharing the photos and restoring the beautiful Boeing 40, and a huge thanks to the folks at Boeing who had the willingness to make it all possible. Wayne Bressler Taildraggers, Inc. www.taildraggersinc.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:58 AM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory Right on, Ryan! Yes, the Piet experiences quite a bit of adverse yaw. Since your feet need to be awake for the landing anyway, you might as well keep them awake whene ver you move the ailerons. The adverse yaw is definitely NOT an issue. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Mueller" Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:57:14 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory Jeff, You will encounter adverse yaw in a Piet. Thankfully Bernard, in his infini te wisdom, included a rudder in the design. As long as the pilot meets the airplane halfway by having two functional feet it should be of no concern. =C2- ;) Ryan On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jeff wilson < jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com > wrote : Happy Wednesday Piet Pilots. This week I'm sitting here wondering about adverse yaw. Without having sear ched the archive first, does the Piet have a problem with it in general or is it not much of a concern? If yes then I would like to throw this out the re; how about differential aileron bellcranks? Of course that would mean a rod from crank to aileron. Jeff Wilson N899WT == ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory From: "GliderMike" I'm excitedly waiting for my plans to get here, so I can throw my two cents worth into this question. If the cables are attached directly to the ailerons, with only pulleys to guide the cables, it would take a serious deviation from the plans to add a bellcrank. Which would get away from the KISS theory behind this airplane. A bellcrank could be done without using a push rod, but would involve more peices of cable. Back to deviating from the KISS theory. Just a thought :o do not archive -------- Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298938#298938 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT - Boeing 40 and 787 Dreamliner Air-to-Air Photos From: "GliderMike" WOW! :D INCREDIBLE! :D Thanks for sharing this. do not archive -------- Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings, GliderMike, aka Mike Glasgow Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298939#298939 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:05:52 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Don't Get Technical with me son! Ha Ha ! I have always called it a Jenny when referring to the movie.... Seems the Jenny name is more known... I do stand corrected!!!!! Thanks!!!! A friend of mine knows who own's the aircraft. It is in a collection in the St. Louis area. Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:42 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Dave, Where did you get these photos? I've only seen two of this airplane on Don Parson's facebook page. He hasn't even posted them to his blog yet. It's not a Jenny. The Jenny was a DeHavilland, this is a Standard. From my limited understanding, it's noticeably larger than a Jenny. I think I'm correct about that, but I've been wrong before. :) Wayne Bressler Jr. Taildraggers, Inc. taildraggersinc.com On May 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM, "Dave Abramson" wrote: HELLO EVERYONE! HERE IS THE JENNY THAT WAS USED IN THE "GREAT WALDO PEPPER" IT'S ALIVE AND WELL! DAVE Subject: Standard J-1 progress Yesterday and today pictures will fly sometime next week if it stops raining ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:23 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sad News GN-1 Fatal Crash My thoughts are with family and friends... http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=74469 Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Ply From: Rick Holland Yes I used 1/8" for the fuselage sides and all fuselage gussets. rick On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:43 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > scott.dawson@optusnet.com.au> > > Thanks Ben...did you use the 1/8 on the fuse sides? > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298908#298908 > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:42:01 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sad News GN-1 Fatal Crash Holy smokes, there is very little left of that plane. Of course, he was "cut from the plane," too, so the fuze thus became sticks. In any event, it is scary to behold. RIP, Mr. Rice. Sympathies to his family and friends. Tim in central TX do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Jack >Sent: May 26, 2010 12:25 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sad News GN-1 Fatal Crash > >My thoughts are with family and friends... > >http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=74469 > >Jack Textor >29 SW 58th Drive >Des Moines, IA 50312 >www.textors.com > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory From: Rick Holland > I'm surprised to see so many messages here in this forum. All > these posts must be from those with Perfect Piets and nothing > else to do. > I would think that all those with airplane factories would be > out there busy and have no time for the computer chat. Or we are un-retired Piet builders at work bored stiff with Internet access (am I the only person in that category?). You know what would really be fun would be to sneak your rib jig, capstrip, and T88 into work and get a few ribs built. rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:34 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Ply Yes, 1/8 for the sides and firewall. I used Okoume marine plywood. I think that grows down close to you, so check out the lumberyards that cater to the boating industry. Just make sure it is marine grade, so the glue used in making it will be waterproof. Ben On 5/26/2010 8:43 AM, bubbleboy wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "bubbleboy" > > Thanks Ben...did you use the 1/8 on the fuse sides? > > Scotty > > -------- > Scotty > > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298908#298908 > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:53 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory Compared to the Baby Ace I was flying prior to my Piet, the Piet has far less adverse yaw. The Baby Ace required you lead every turn with rudder, and flew just like a Cub. My Piet doesn't require nearly as much rudder. I built my aileron linkage per the plans, but my rudder is 2 inches taller than the plans. Ben Charvet On 5/26/2010 10:37 AM, Jeff wilson wrote: > Happy Wednesday Piet Pilots. > > With warm weather here now, I'm surprised to see so many messages here > in this forum. All these posts must be from those with Perfect Piets > and nothing else to do. > I would think that all those with airplane factories would be out > there busy and have no time for the computer chat. > Of course there are builders in progress with legite questions to > post. Some with 18 or so ribs done, some with a new set of plans and > lots of questions, some with corvair concerns and some T-88 mixing > dillemas, some old builders and some older builders, some material > questions and some dimension questions...and some who ''...just think > about this''. But most of all there are a lot of bold and adventurous > experimenters. > > In the dusty environment of my own airplane factory I sometimes sit > and stare while pondering possibilities of my own Piet progress. > Having decided on an A-65 and a very nice Hegy prop (thanks OZ) and > wire wheels I'm now pondering possible paints and leaning toward Dope. > Its much lighter than any other. > > Also, last week I pondered out loud on flaperons. Of course that was > merely an exercise of mental speculation, knowing full well the answer > was ''Thats Ridiculous'' > > This week I'm sitting here wondering about adverse yaw. Without having > searched the archive first, does the Piet have a problem with it in > general or is it not much of a concern? If yes then I would like to > throw this out there; how about differential aileron bellcranks? Of > course that would mean a rod from crank to aileron. > > Jeff Wilson > N899WT > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress From: "BYD" Well, at least Mary Beth has a better chance of recognizing a floor-flusher now. Do no archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298952#298952 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:31 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank Hola! Attached are the-plans for the galvanized fuel tank,-drawn by-Larry W illiams and blatantly-stolen by me. Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 11:04:30 AM PST US From: "Dave Abramson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory Funny you should mention that! I built all my ribs at work! During lunch and right after working hours..... Honey.... I have to work late today.... darn.... Dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:44 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory > I'm surprised to see so many messages here in this forum. All > these posts must be from those with Perfect Piets and nothing > else to do. > I would think that all those with airplane factories would be > out there busy and have no time for the computer chat. Or we are un-retired Piet builders at work bored stiff with Internet access (am I the only person in that category?). You know what would really be fun would be to sneak your rib jig, capstrip, and T88 into work and get a few ribs built. rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:56 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank Bueno! Gracias. Gary Boothe Cool, CA Pietenpol WW Corvair Conversion Tail done, Fuselage on gear 18 ribs done Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago morete Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank Hola! Attached are the plans for the galvanized fuel tank, drawn by Larry Williams and blatantly stolen by me. Saludos Santiago ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:14 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory If we know anyone at the SEC, we should suggest that they begin building ribs instead of what they have been doing with their PCs at work. And this does not even cover what they might have been doing with their hands. Tim in central TX PLEASE do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Dave Abramson Sent: May 26, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory Funny you should mention that! I built all my ribs at work! During lunch and right after working hours..... Honey.... I have to work late today.... darn.... Dave do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory > I'm surprised to see so many messages here in this forum. All > these posts must be from those with Perfect Piets and nothing > else to do. > I would think that all those with airplane factories would be > out there busy and have no time for the computer chat. Or we are un-retired Piet builders at work bored stiff with Internet access (am I the only person in that category?). You know what would really be fun would be to sneak your rib jig, capstrip, and T88 into work and get a few ribs built. rick -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory From: Rick Holland Nice work Dave, instead of sitting in a stinkin lunchroom listening to everyone bitching about their moronic managers and the dysfunctional copy machines you were getting some important work done. rick On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Dave Abramson wrote: > Funny you should mention that! > > I built all my ribs at work! During lunch and right after working > hours..... Honey.... I have to work late today.... darn.... > > Dave > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Rick Holland > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:44 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol list: Airplne Factory > > > > I'm surprised to see so many messages here in this forum. All > > these posts must be from those with Perfect Piets and nothing > > else to do. > > I would think that all those with airplane factories would be > > out there busy and have no time for the computer chat. > > Or we are un-retired Piet builders at work bored stiff with Internet access > (am I the only person in that category?). You know what would really be fun > would be to sneak your rib jig, capstrip, and T88 into work and get a few > ribs built. > > rick > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage Ply From: "bubbleboy" Thank you all for your confirmation. I appreciate it! Bill....you are right, one less glass of wine I think, none so blind as one who does not wish to see! On sheet 4 it says the floor is 1/4 inch and on sheet one the blurred dimensions say 7/32. Is it a mistake? Any way 1/4 inch is close enough to both of them ;o) Im ordering Hoop pine Marine grade ply as that is the Aussie standard here for aircraft. Thanks guys! Scotty -------- Scotty Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=298978#298978 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:07 PM PST US From: "Mike Tunnicliffe" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 prHi Jeff, I build a Subaru powered D18 seven years ago. Mike T, do not archive. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Boatright To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Mike, What Jodel are you flying? Jeff The first De Havilland aircraft (DH1) was completed in 1910, 95 percent of America's wartime aircraft production (WW1) were designed by DeHavilland, the company was formed in 1920, Regards Mike T, flying a Jodel, restoring a DH98, and building an Aircamper, to 1929 drawings, fuse and eppenage done, wing to be assembled, currently working on external combustion powerplant for the above Piet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress You are correct, it is not a Jenny. It is a Standard J-1; that was even in the subject line of his email. :P The Jenny, however, was not made by DeHavilland; DeHavilland didn't even exist as a company yet. The Jenny (or JN series) was built by the Curtiss Aeroplane Company of Hammondsport, NY. Ryan Sent from my iPad Pietenpol-List Email Forum - href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution > -- --- Jeffrey H. Boatright, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Emory University School of Medicine Editor-in-Chief Molecular Vision ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:41 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Is it available tot he public? I will be in St Louis next month and would l ove to come see it. Rodney Hall ---- Dave Abramson wrote: >Don't Get Technical with me son!=C2- Ha Ha !=C2- I have always called it a Jenny when referring to the movie.... Seems the Jenny name is more kno wn...=C2-I do stand corrected!!!!!=C2- Thanks!!!!=C2-A friend of mine knows who own's the aircraft.=C2- It is in a collection in the St. Louis area.=C2-=C2-=C2-Dave-----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Wayne Bressler Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Great Waldo Pepper Standard J-1 progress Dave, Where did you get these photos? =C2-I've only seen two of this airplane o n Don Parson's facebook page. =C2-He hasn't even posted them to his blog yet. It's not a Jenny. =C2-The Jenny was a DeHavilland, this is a Standard. =C2-From my limited understanding, it's noticeably larger than a Jenny. =C2-I think I'm correct about that, but I've been wrong before. =C2-:) Wayne Bressler Jr.Taildraggers, Inc.taildraggersinc.com On May 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM, "Dave Abramson" w rote: HELLO EVERYONE!=C2-HERE IS THE JENNY THAT WAS USED IN THE "GREAT WALDO PE PPER"=C2-IT'S ALIVE AND WELL!=C2-DAVE=C2- Subject: Standard J-1 progress Yesterday and today pictureswill fly sometime next week if it stops raining href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhref= "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www ============== ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:06 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1667 strut Hello This can be useful to someone.- I found a reference to the old designatio n BHP used on his darwings for the Air Camper and Sky Scout's cabane struts .. The 1667 struts-were welded at the aft edge, just like the lift struts Pi etenpol used on his planes. Material is 1010 steel and were-made by Kawne er Manufacturing Co.- Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.- Saludos - Santiago -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:42 PM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1667 strut I'm trying again, there is a drawing attached that doesn't show up in the p revious message. - This can be useful to someone.- I found a reference to the old designatio n BHP used on his darwings for the Air Camper and Sky Scout's cabane struts .. The 1667 struts-were welded at the aft edge, just like the lift struts Pi etenpol used on his planes. Material is 1010 steel and were-made by Kawne er Manufacturing Co.- Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.- Saludos - Santiago=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:08:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank From: helspersew@aol.com Santiago, You are a slueth. Where do you find all this stuff? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: santiago morete Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 12:58 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank Hola! Attached are the plans for the galvanized fuel tank, drawn by Larry Willia ms and blatantly stolen by me. Saludos Santiago ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:17 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Pietenpol Gathering Hello group, I haven't checked my email in about a week. I am trying to get my hanger addition done so I can get the Piet back in the air. With any luck we won't have the only static display Pietenpol at my own piet gathering. It is just over 3 weeks untill it gets here so I am still going "balls to the wall, and tree top tall". Looking forward to seeing all of you that can make it. Hope the flying and building is going well, and hope everyone is staying safe. To those that plan on attending remember to fly a NORTH PATTERN, left trafic for R/W 10, left traffic for 28. And watch out for the R/C airplanes at the south west end of the field, they are supposed to yeild, but..... If they dont get out of you way you can drop waterballoons on em. If we can lets get a list of what you each plan on bringing for a dish, so I can get the rest, pop, chips, buns etc etc. Talk to Y'all soon Shad ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:51 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Adverse Yaw I guess our piet does have quite a bit of adverse yaw. In a fast taxi I can make turns with just the ailerons, of course the steering is backwards. But that is why old Bernard put a rudder on the back...isn't it? Yes you can make a more harmonized controled airplane by revising the aileron controls, but in my oppinion just build it and fly it like it is. By the way we have top mounted piano hinged ailerons, and they probably do have more adverse yaw than the plans type hinges. Shad ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:15 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 1667 strut exelente these is bery good information but realy i dont want mes whit is bery compl icate bend large pis of metal whit my smal tool suply but lest- trate sey ou jorge from hanford --- On Wed, 5/26/10, santiago morete wrote: From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: 1667 strut Hello This can be useful to someone.- I found a reference to the old designatio n BHP used on his darwings for the Air Camper and Sky Scout's cabane struts .. The 1667 struts-were welded at the aft edge, just like the lift struts Pi etenpol used on his planes. Material is 1010 steel and were-made by Kawne er Manufacturing Co.- Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong.- Saludos - Santiago - -=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:03 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank perfect tanks for sed these drawing is more easy in these way ,i like to used a ele ctric unid sender fuel gauge like my karmman ghia v.w. 1970 is flout in sid e and flat haet perfect for these tank and is aroun same dimention longer. you cand found in karmannghia.com product #919-051 67 73 oe. tanks again --- On Wed, 5/26/10, santiago morete wrote: From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Larry Williams' fuel tank Hola! Attached are the-plans for the galvanized fuel tank,-drawn by-Larry W illiams and blatantly-stolen by me. 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